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12:00 PM
I'd make a poor ISIS militant
 
Xeo
aw man, I was hoping to have finally annoyed you enough to plonk me. there you go, shattering my dreams.
 
y'know, you can always just do the plonking yourself. I find it strange when people express a desire to be plonked themselves. very passive aggressive.
 
maybe instead, you could specialize std::vector<T, X> to inherit from X.
that would be ... odd ... but I wonder if a single type can meet both the allocator and the container requirements.
 
ITT std::vector<A, A>
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit pretend I was responding with /s
;)
 
12:02 PM
IDGI :(
 
Xeo
@Puppy I wouldn't see why not.
 
oh, yeah I do
\sarcasm mode engage\
 
Xeo
It can always do that - it doesn't have to have itself as the allocator.
 
oh wait, they already do that for EBO, right?
 
12:03 PM
std::vector<EBO, LA>
 
so if container and alloc had conflicting requirements, no EBO.
 
ahaha that's totally my next easter egg
 
but if you did that, then you can't really re-use the existing std::vector implementation.
 
Xeo
@Puppy Hm?
 
@Xeo The container already inherits from the allocator if it's empty to perform EBO. So if this was ill-formed, then they can't do that.
 
12:05 PM
Empty Bitches Organisation
I feel ill[-formed] just thinking about it
 
Xeo
@Puppy ah, I think I see what you mean
 
Make your allocators final. (C++03 be damned.)
 
EBO is still useful and valid in C++11.
 
and that's final.
@StackedCrooked lolwut
 
@rightføld Numbers on the pages.
 
12:11 PM
The turd joke of the century. But from the original source :-)
 
No stars.
> It ain't one of mine.
> 08 00 00 11 LMP John, ... forward.
08 00 00 14 P1 This is Photo 1. All three chutes are deployed normal.
08 00 00 18 LMP We're ... We got fire out. We got fire out ....
08 00 00 23 CDR ... fire?
Oh, shit.
 
12:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is that?
 
Part of the transcript from Apollo 10.
First floating turds, then fire after chutes were deployed.
> Houston, we have ... when we hit the water, ... goes out.
I assume they meant to hope the fire goes out in the water.
lol
I also wonder if "FLOOD, POSTLANDING" means what I think it means.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hah
 
@CatPlusPlus ffs how are we meant to judge that shit if we can't test it.
 
@thecoshman just take a nibble and let uz know how it tastes
 
Oh.
FLOOD probably stands for FLOODLIGHT
 
12:36 PM
@thecoshman You can?
 
@CatPlusPlus I can?
 
Register and test it???????????
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aw
 
> Now we're going to take panel 5 and put the FLOODLIGHT rheostat to FLOOD
(from Apollo 13)
@R.MartinhoFernandes dude, stop reading that.
 
@CatPlusPlus I did... but I need to confirm email...
but I think it's used some dodge github email
 
12:38 PM
That's your problem
 
ffs
why not auth with Google?
 
> 00 00 46 39 CMP Okay. Have you got your cards out for TLI?
> 00 00 46 45 CDR They're already up, babe.
what
> 05 00 07 03 CDR It's got to be a volcano, babe; ...
 
@cat you've also got silly restrictions on the areas we can post to ¬_¬
 
fail
 
12:46 PM
by-design
 
oh right right, newb person. Well give me 'player' privileges then.
 
inb4, five days later, coshman asks for his "player" privileges to be removed
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no you fool. I get rid of shit then want it back.
 
Posting works the same way everywhere
No need to fiddle with permissions right now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit TLI is translunar injection.
 
12:52 PM
what's the difference between a blood moon and normal lunar eclipse? is it a totally lunar eclipse happening at the full moon - does anyone know?
 
lol
@chmod711telkitty Lunar eclipses only occur at full moon, and solar eclipses at new moon.
The red color is just atmospheric scattering.
The same process that causes red sunsets.
 
what you have just said?
 
Ell
gewgul.com
 
12:56 PM
Atmospheric scattering is a well-understood phenomenon and it has a unique enough name for easy googling.
The thing about the full moon is a direct consequence of the mechanics that cause the eclipses in the first place.
Eclipses are also a well-understood phenomenon, and also easy to google.
 
hmm, I guess I'm tired when I read Iterable as ITerrible
7
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "babe"
he says it a lot
 
lol
pretty much sums up the whole IInterface thing
 
Blood moon
Due to its reddish color, a totally eclipsed moon is sometimes referred to as a "blood moon".[16] In addition, in the 2010s the media started to associate the term "blood moon" with the four full moons of a lunar tetrad, especially the 2014–2015 tetrad coinciding with the feasts of Passover and Tabernacles. A lunar tetrad is a consecutive sequence of four lunar eclipses, spaced six months apart.[17][18] The most recent blood moon occurred on October 8, 2014 and was visible across much of the Americas and Asia
source: wikipedia
 
Xeo
UTerrible.
 
1:08 PM
USuck?
 
@chmod711telkitty What about it?
> The red coloring arises because sunlight reaching the Moon must pass through a long and dense layer of the Earth’s atmosphere, where it is scattered.
source: same wikipedia page.
> This is the same effect that causes sunsets and sunrises to turn the sky a reddish color
source: still the same wikipedia page.
 
user1804599
pygmentize is nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Make that repost week :D
Starring so it doesn't get reposted for the tenth time.
 
1:14 PM
Fuck you.
 
Xeo
haha
 
@Abyx Horrible proposal, it breaks tons of real world code
 
@milleniumbug Like what?
 
@milleniumbug no?
 
SFINAE code checking if a function call is valid
 
1:18 PM
> tons of real world code
@milleniumbug why does that break, btw?
 
and how much code is in a ton?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes x.f(y) now compiles.
 
wat in C# you can't have while(var x = stuff())?
 
@milleniumbug So such a call is valid!
Everything works!
vOv
 
And it didn't before.
 
1:20 PM
@milleniumbug So?
You test if you can call it. The test says you can. And you can.
It works.
 
We are looking into what's making data.stackexchange cranky.
 
It'd only break if the test disagreed.
It makes previously ill-formed programs well-formed. Like, well, pretty much every syntactic extension.
 
wtf you can't declare locals as volatile?
 
(There are breaking changes though; just not as common or as simple as you think)
 
C++ should make more use of Unicode characters. Let 🍌f(x) call member or non-member function :)
 
1:23 PM
man this language is shit.
 
> f(x,y) means
> 1. First try x.f(y) – does x’s class have a member f? If so try to use it
> 2. First try f(x,y) – is there a function f? If so, try to use it
> 3. otherwise error
 
There's the fact that x.f(y) changes meaning after a declaration void f(T, U);.
 
lolwut
It calls the member function first? That's... opposite from what I expected
 
Yeah, that's fucked up and does change the meaning of existing code.
@milleniumbug FWIW I get the feeling it's a typographical mistake.
(Bjarne is terrible at that, and has terrible editors)
 
DRY violation :)
 
user1804599
1:27 PM
> f(x,y) means
2. First try x.f(y) – does x’s class have a member f? If so try to use it
1. First try f(x,y) – is there a function f? If so, try to use it
3. otherwise error
 
There's no point in repeatedly pointing out the two cases if there's no difference between then.
 
user1804599
Fixed!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They're both labelled "First" so it seems that there's certainly some editing error there.
 
Bjarne is the worst at that.
 
user1804599
Imagine a misspelled keyword.
 
1:29 PM
He's been there, done that.
 
Should be "frist"
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which one? :v
 
> 1.4 What about p->f()?
> If x.f() can call f(x), can p->f() call f(p)? Yes, and f(p) can call p->f()
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
 
wat
 
@rightføld His books are full of that crap.
 
user1804599
1:31 PM
lol
 
I'm serious.
It's horrible
 
user1804599
Bajrne
 
auto ptr = std::make_unique<Klass>(); reset(ptr);
Now what
 
❤ f(⚤)
 
user1804599
I like Armstrong's erroneous omission of commas given Erlang's syntax.
 
1:32 PM
The C++ Cold War: freeism (f(x, y)) vs memberism (x.f(y)).
 
maybe someone can start a programming language in UTF-8
 
There is no way in hell this will pass the Committee.
 
The Stack Exchange Data Explorer is back online, but we'll continue to keep an eye on the connection pool issues that caused it to go down.
 
@milleniumbug Why not?
 
2 mins ago, by milleniumbug
auto ptr = std::make_unique<Klass>(); reset(ptr);
 
1:33 PM
Yes, why not?
What's wrong with that?
 
what about y.f(x) then?
 
Let's suppose Klass has reset() member function. What reset(ptr) will call?
 
> With new consoles coming online and new devices creating a new type of gamer that was previously unreachable, the games industry in a massive state of flux. Opportunities have never been bigger to make money but choosing a monetization strategy that is effective at both generating revenue and retaining users is absolutely crucial in the current market.
 
y.f(x) == x.f(y)
 
Oh boy oh boy.
 
1:34 PM
@milleniumbug That's an issue that can be fixed. Far from "no way in hell".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Both meanings are non-obvious, which is the first step to acknowledging this is too complicated for it's own good.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh shiiat
> brb removing everything from dropbox
 
I have a simpler proposal: Be explicit with unified syntax call (🍌f(x) <- not necessarily bananas), so 95% of people using unified syntax (template writers) are satisfied.
 
> The usernames and passwords...were stolen from unrelated services, not Dropbox. Attackers then used these stolen credentials to try to log in to sites across the internet, including Dropbox. We have measures in place that detect suspicious login activity and we automatically reset passwords when it happens.
 
1:41 PM
Why would template writers be annoyed by unifying the call syntax?
 
Similar to what happened with Gmail a month ago.
 
21 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
You test if you can call it. The test says you can. And you can.
More code works. Yay. :|
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not implying that. I'm implying that 95% usages of member/non-member selection happens in generic code.
This is even more flawed than uniform initialization syntax.
 
Er.
What flaws worse than uniform initialization does it have?
Uniform initialization is actually terrible for generic code.
 
Apparently that Dropbox leak wasn't from their servers
 
1:44 PM
Yep.
 
Initializer lists don't deduce, we still can't have a generic "construct" function, and its meaning is hard to ascertain without more info on the type.
 
Anyway, only thing on my DropBox is my KeyPass db.
So right.
 
I have 2fa.
 
I encrypt important stuff myself
I just wish Bartek was here right now :v
 
The meaning of f(x, y) is determined by the meaning attributed to f.
 
Ell
1:45 PM
I think I might get a vps and run some kind of open source dropbox equivalent
 
I have a hard time thinking of a scenario where knowing if something calls a member or not would affect generic code.
 
Ell
I'm sure that exists, right?
 
Maybe you have code that does a member call if possible, and tries a free function if not. End result? Now the member call is always possible and already does the fallback. Code still works.
However, you could have a member and free function with the same name and different behaviours in scope. That's trouble.
 
So I just used a #define for a constant.
 
1:47 PM
@Ell ownButt
 
But that's trouble regardless and I have little interest in giving leeway to such code.
 
This suggests that x.f(y) does ADL now. Oh boy
 
@milleniumbug Only if there's no member.
 
@milleniumbug In generic code you care whether the call is valid, not whether it is a member.
 
I used dropbox for co-working purpose
 
Xeo
1:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus lol, why?
 
none of my own code is in the cloud or in the dropbox
 
@Xeo He's got a hardon on storing everything in the butt
3
 
@Xeo To mock him.
 
I don't trust the internet for keeping secrets
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus that sounds wonderfully wrong.
 
1:51 PM
@milleniumbug That said, I don't like it.
 
Ell
I'll just get this $2.99 a month VPS ovh.com/us/vps/vps-classic.xml
seems stupidly cheap though.
there must be hidden costs
 
The hidden cost is terrible hardware and crappy SLA :v
Actually dunno where OVH runs their VPSes
 
Ell
North America
 
DigitalOcean has 5$ instances
Yes the country is important yes
 
Ell
I don't know what SLA is also :P
 
1:52 PM
I have an OVH VPS
Apparently it's hosted in France
 
Ell
And I don't need good hardware just for serving files do I?
 
They have several DCs
Also when running that kind of thing yourself, you need to take care of backing everything up
 
@Ell failures and shit.
 
@Ell Service-level agreement
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus hmm that's true
 
1:54 PM
was testing my app & accidentally called local RSL club @ midnight :x
 
Everyone congratulate @thecoshman for ruining our perfect deliverability
 
What happened?
 
deliverability of what?
 
Xeo
mail
prolly
 
1:56 PM
He had some dummy email on GitHub
 
you mean he successfully spammed you
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus North America is not a country.
 
That is really fucking important yes
 
Ell
owncloud just says to rsync in order to back up
This feels primitive but idk.
 
1:58 PM
Why?
 
user1804599
Publish everything and use Google cache as backup.
 
You have to have an rsync destination to use that
You probably want to use a provider that has backups as part of the SLA (like DO) or use S3/Glacier
 
buh. Why is my PS1 failing so hard you guys?
 
because it's a really old console
get a PS4
 
Get a PC1
 
2:01 PM
Alex so gamer
He means the prompt.
 
ooh
 
@corvid just steal it from elsewhere.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I tried, but it just randomly broke today
 
@AlexM. A PlayStation in good condition should still run today.
 
@EtiennedeMartel clearly it is not in good condition then :)
 
2:03 PM
I should compile ShareX with my own Dropbox app id
 
LOL Cat++
suchagreatname
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
(ish)
 
Today is World Standards Day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Standards_Day Unless you’re in the U.S., then it’s the 23rd. lolwat
6
lol
 
ahhaa
fucking yanks
do you believe me now
DO YOU
 
2:14 PM
Racist.
Or English. Same thing either way.
(huehuehue)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I wouldn't even have thought of that kind of attack. I never reuse passwords.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow I used to, a long long time ago.
 
@FredOverflow Most people do extensively.
I used to re-use the same password everywhere, but now I employ a password manager.
 
The only way this could be better if they accidentally swapped month and day
 
> Attacks like these are one of the reasons why we strongly encourage users not to reuse passwords across services.
amen to that
 
Xeo
2:16 PM
KeePass \o/
 
KeepAss?
 
Ell
checker.reg<std::tuple_element<Is, typename function_traits<FT>::args>::type>()...;
 
I reuse 123456 a lot.
 
Ell
I'm tiredd ugh
 
Xeo
2:19 PM
> function_traits
aaaand you're out.
 
if it's a meaningless service where you don't care, then use "password"
 
I'd guess most if not all of my reddit accounts have 123456 as a password.
 
Ell
@Xeo what's up with function_traits? :P
 
Or maybe not since I keep creating new ones due to the password not working.
 
Xeo
lol
maybe it's not working because they were 123456 and have since been changed by someone? :P
 
2:20 PM
@Xeo No, they're inactive.
 
your mum's inactive
etc etc
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus interesting
I might try it
 
user1804599
Is SpiderOak client FOSS?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 123456 is too long for me to remember. I usually stay with 1234.
 
Xeo
> You'll notice here another difference between SpiderOak and 'the other guys':
 
@CatPlusPlus I like how it says "Featured in: <list of news publications here>". It doesn't say what it was featured for. Could have been a series of "avoid this service at all costs" articles.
 
@FredOverflow 6 is a common minimum length.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes As is 4 - for usernames. grumble grumble
 
Xeo
ye
or underscore up front
 
2:24 PM
@Xeo and often it's 6
 
Xeo
annoying if they don't allow special characters at start or end
 
@Xeo reserved to the implementation
@Xeo heh
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not for members <3
 
so what do you do? xeoo?
 
Xeo
one of my other nicks
 
2:25 PM
wait, we've done that
@Xeo if you did _Xeo tho!
 
Xeo
My BitBucket nick is _xeo
 
Once in a while I remember how truly bizarre it is for someone to go around labelling himself a "robot" everywhere, as part of his name. Then I realise that my name is pretty unusual too. So never mind.
 
:)
Also, gotta print that.
 
Xeo
I got "Mad Scientist" on mine
 
Ell
2:33 PM
the linux client needs work
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sweet
 
user1804599
> import Data.Bifunctor.Clown
 
@CatPlusPlus Btw, did that when signing off a package recently.
 
Better than making random scribbles and pretending it's a signature.
At least that way I can be consistent.
 
2:46 PM
the signature devices I've seen are so bad it's hard to sign them with anything that looks remotely like my usual signature
 
Xeo
Maybe I should start signing with "xeo" then
although that may be too obvious.
 
@Puppy They're also very small and cramped.
 
Have you guys heard about the sexrabbi?
 
You are welcome. It hurts me to see that such a well known website has such incompetent moderators like you with such serious Nickname. — Andrey Bulezyuk 12 mins ago
/cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
@Sofffia the guy looks like a douche in real life too :-p
But of course I don't want to base my opinion on a photograph that may not even be his :-o
 
2:56 PM
hm
what do you guys do if you're working and your main task is repeatedly blocked on the outcome of long-running tools?
 
Chat here :-p
 
Get a different task.
Read Apollo mission transcripts.
 
lol no I'm kidding.
kind of
Make the tools faster!
Get more cores!
 
unfortunately, I cannot make the tools faster.
and getting more cores means I can run more of them in parallel rather than making them finish sooner, as they are not parallelised.
 

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