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3:03 PM
@Sofffia TIL I am a SO moderator
 
Apollo transcripts it is, then!
 
@rubenvb hahaah
 
@Puppy I generally avoid such things unless they block development, then I seek to shorten their runtime to the absolute minimum, anything over a minute is generally too long
 
who would use an avatar that's not even a true likeness. c'mon now.
(Likeness Races out of Orbit)
oh I've totally figured out my 1st April nick change :D
 
@Puppy Find some way of getting the long-running tools fired. If they are nearing retirement age, try dropping hints about golf and holiday beaches.
 
3:09 PM
@Puppy Sword fights
Just do something else in the meantime
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Quite the advance planner, are we?
I hate that sentence.
I'm declaring war on it.
 
@Puppy well, yeah, then you can do a run with A, and halfway run A, start run B, then you can work with the result of run A while B is still running. It's not 100% optimal, but it's something...
 
30 minutes and there's nothing I can do about the tools
or rather, 30 minutes is already the cut-down runtime from 30 hours.
 
Lightness reaches Escape Velocity.
 
3:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Says everything you need to know about our world.
 
user1804599
Do something about it.
 
I vote
 
user1804599
Protip: that 1% owns the people you vote for.
 
Ell
There is a simple solution
 
yeah I got that part.
it's not as bad here in the UK as in the US in that respect, though.
 
Ell
3:21 PM
Stop buying things from anything with 800k or more
Don't go to any supermarkets
Or most businesses at all
Just farm everything yourself
 
user1804599
Give your home and all your money back to the bank.
 
Ell
Then there is no way they can get richer
 
@Ell That's how we got to this point.
 
user1804599
Also non-issue.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure
imagine if everybody had the same amount of money
it would be entirely shit and unstable
 
Ell
3:23 PM
Yep
 
although a slightly less extreme situation may not be uncalled for
say, if I had half the world's wealth and the rest were more or less equally distributed. I'd be okay with that.
 
at least in computer systems, you don't have intelligent beings deliberately causing worst-case scenarios.
except security, I guess.
 
sure you do
it's called programmers' job security
you just gotta be careful not to get fired
 
@Puppy We call that QA
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought it was job security.
 
3:24 PM
or that
 
Ell
Just make it so you can't be fired :3
Make yourself irreplaceable
 
Everyone can be fired
 
wfm
except, some programmers just wanna watch the world burn. like Alf. (no offence Alf.)
 
Not much job security if you have to worry about being fired.
Then it's just... normal.
 
Well I meant you can attempt engineering your own job security yet fail at it spectacularly
 
3:25 PM
Someone should make a scientific study on the harmful effects of ketchup on pizza.
 
Bob: "Hey, I'll just inject this critical bug and then they'll need me to fix it when it's finally discovered by Alice three months down the line."
*three months later*
Manager: "Classic Bob. Bob, you're fired. Alice, fix the bug."
Bob: "... shit."
 
Then Alice quits out of despair :P
 
user1804599
Why I don't put cheddar on my pizza: because the pizza is fine OOB.
 
> They then put various kinds of cheeses to the pizza-topping test—because quantification. Because curiosity. Because science.
love it.
 
Classic Alice.
 
3:27 PM
If people quit out of despair there would be nobody left in this industry
 
Do you know how hard it is to find decent developers? Most of them have quit out of despair.
 
Ell
I thought it said "Why Nobody Likes Cheese Pizza"
 
I bet Alice likes Cheese Pizza. Bitch.
 
Xeo
Hahaha, this is just great. (read to the end)
 
Ell
Speaking of pizza im going to work
Bye all
 
3:28 PM
bye
 
Xeo
@Ell Are you working at a pizza restaurant?
 
perhaps I'll order a pizza for my dinner tonight and think of you
 
@Xeo He works as a delivery boy.
Fry-style
 
@Puppy then you don't even need to buy any cheese!
just produce your own
...ew.
sometimes I disgust even myself
 
3:30 PM
TF is wrong with you.
 
lol
 
I don't know :(
 
it's gotta be bad if even robot has that reaction
 
his reaction is merely a result of overzealous programming. don't worry too much about it
ITT Robot was programmed by Alf
auto robot() -> int {}
@StackedCrooked 404
 
Xeo
3:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes om nom nom, mozzarella
 
Wait
 
So from module import * imports also everything that is imported in module?
In Python.
 
It imports every name that's listed in __all__ or every name in __dict__ (possibly skipping ones starting with _? Don't really remember) if __all__ is not defined
Don't import * from modules that aren't designed for it
Also
> Atlassian Community Licenses are designed for official not for profit organisations and charities which are not for profit, non-government, non-academic, non-commercial in nature, have no religious affiliation and that would not otherwise be able to afford Atlassian software. If your organisation does not really fit into this description, we suggest you purchase one of our commercial licenses – they are still highly affordable.
 
3:41 PM
And __dict__ by default is every module including the imported ones?
 
lol
dict is every name in the object
 
I see
Danke
 
(import skips internal ones for module objects)
 
    // too many ticks: make less
Dunno why I find that funny.
I'm working on the horriblest code I've found so far in this codebase. And it's not insanely bad :)
Why do compilers warn about unused volatile variables?
 
Tickyty.
 
3:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes If it ain't broke, you can usually fix it 'til it is.
9
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes SCNR.
 
@sbi Urgh.
 
Saved by 403
 
@CatPlusPlus Lucky you.
 
22 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
TF is wrong with you.
 
sbi
3:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know, I went searching for an image of a tick. Of one tick. And this happened to be the second image of a tick google images showed me. (The first was a checkmark.) And since it seemed to fit...
 
So what brings you here?
 
sbi
I'm done for the day, and nobody is waiting for me at home, so I thought I'd check on you guys before I pack and go home.
 
sbi
I wish I could upload an image to imgur and have it displayed as a link in text I write, rather than it being oneboxed right away.
 
sbi
3:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I left my phones at home, and the office is quite busy still. But I opened it for later.
 
She's great live.
 
@sbi Just go to the imgur main site.
 
Xeo
sup Ape
 
sbi
@Xeo No soup today. Instead I had spinach, egg, and potatoes for lunch.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Much better than dead. But, if you'd administered a few more fatal beatings when she was younger...
 
Xeo
4:01 PM
@sbi Cream spinach?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ow, my ears.
 
sbi
@Puppy I tried that a few years ago, but it would require me to unblock a hundred things in my FF.
I'm too lazy-paranoid to allow that.
@Puppy That you?!
 
no.
 
@sbi Open it in private browsing mode or something.
 
Puppy has terrible taste in music.
 
sbi
4:04 PM
@Xeo Nope. Most of my colleagues decided this isn't a day to walk the 15mins to the proper lunch place, so we went to the bad place here in the house. I just picked what I think was the least bad. It was Ok.
@Griwes And then?
 
Xeo
Meh, non-cream spinach
can't eat that stuff
 
@sbi Well, chrome disables all the weird things you add to the browser in that mode by default, I guess FF does that too. ;d
 
sbi
@Xeo I'm sure there was some milk product involved in the making of that sludge.
 
Xeo
lol
 
sbi
@Griwes My FF is pretty bulletproof. I loosen security for specific sites which I want to see and which require less security. FF certainly is also bulletproof in porn mode. So switching to PM wouldn't help me.
@R.MartinhoFernandes These look like pretty straightforward (aka "too simple") passwords.
6 hours ago, by rightføld
You're even more cryptic than thecoshman and sehe combined.
LOL!
 
4:19 PM
Yay, 39% test coverage
 
@Sofffia Am I allowed to hope that's a typo, and you really meant 93%?
 
Nope
 
sbi
I have about 10% test coverage by now. Sigh. I hate writing tests.
 
It's actually much more than what I was expecting. I've just added 18 tests for starter.
 
4:21 PM
user image
4
Rosetta selfie with 67P in the background.
 
I'm still not testing the views, which are the bigger part of the application.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes love it
 
user1804599
baka
 
sbi
Well, I guess I'll leave. Bye!
 
4:26 PM
Bye.
Did we discover if timestamps in Nomic forum are UTC?
 
@sbi Later.
 
user1804599
Mosquitos are terrible.
 
Nope
Not UTC
 
4:29 PM
They're local to you
 
It is definitely 16:29 UTC.
local to me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Are you going to vote against my proposal?
I have this feeling.
 
Judging by the source, the tooltip for those "11h ago" is in local time and the underlying representation is ..... neither local time nor UTC. Or the local time is wrong.
 
@Sofffia I still haven't caught up to it.
 
It looks wrong, to be honest.
 
4:31 PM
Thank Jeff.
 
Where's it hosted?
If in the States, I guess it uses some US timezone internally (the offsets match) and renders it in your local timezone. How totally lame.
It means there are two timezones being used and neither of them are UTC.
 
DC is in Germany
 
But hey, it's not World Standards Day everywhere in the world, right?
 
The server is running on CEST
 
Okay then it's fucked.
 
4:33 PM
Dicsourse what is doing, I have no idea
ask jeff
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The tooltip displays local time for me.
 
The software can render the time as it wants, as long as it is precise as to what timezone we are talking about.
 
thanks jeff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just curious what's wrong with discourse?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hope nobody else posts a "rosetta selfie"...
 
4:33 PM
There are no timezone settings in the software itself
 
user1804599
Jefffrey Atwood
 
@Mgetz Gee. Everything.
 
Either global or per-user
 
@FredOverflow ?
 
It just takes... something
 
4:33 PM
01:00AM without a timezone means absolutely nothing.
 
Browser settings maybe
 
Or UTC by default.
 
user1804599
Well then, let's implement main trampoline.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does "rosetta" not have 2 meanings in English?
 
Or geoloc I don't know
 
4:34 PM
This page says 11:16am for the first post, which was somehow determined by JS from the source saying 2014-09-22T06:16:39-04:00. That makes no sense in any of the pertinent timezones (UTC, BST, CEST).
 
I don't think jeff is good at timezones
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
wait wat
 
I get local time in tooltips
Maybe your browser is dumb
 
No one understands this shit.
 
4:35 PM
I have no idea what's happening in that JS hugbox
And doubly so for rubby backend
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes I suspect I'm getting local time too, or what is supposed to be local time, but it's impossible to really be sure (beyond posting something now to test — which I can't) because I cannot determine whether the underlying data is not UTC or the local time is wrong. And either eventuality is shite.
 
I bet it's some "convenient" feature at some point in the stack.
Or several.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Robot already did
 
The peculiar brand of “convenience” that makes both tools much harder to use.
 
4:36 PM
@Sofffia haha I thought that was a magic app or something
derp
 
Scissortape convenience.
 
Yep okay so the hoverover is correct localtime... and check this out
<div class='creator'>
  <b>rmartinho</b>
    —
   2014-10-14T12:28:56-04:00 —
   #1
</div>
<div class='post'>
    <p>It is now approximately 16:29 UTC</p>
</div>
Good job, Atwood. Thanks.
 
lol -4
 
4:37 PM
16 is UTC
 
@Sofffia No. Post says 16:29 and is correct.
 
12 is... something else
 
Oh wait
Yeah, you are right.
 
It's the reference. That's why I posted it.
 
I don't know what's going on.
 
4:38 PM
It's EST lol
 
user1804599
Ugh.
 
Or EDT
 
@CatPlusPlus Not.
It's... worse.
 
I don't know what abbreviation US Eastern uses
EDT
 
4:39 PM
Meh
 
It's the DST of the eastern coast.
 
The HTML Unix Timestamp says 18:xx for me
 
Impressive.
 
Which is local
 
Yeah that's EDT
EST is non-DST
Good job on abbrevs there
 
4:40 PM
CST or Cst can stand for: == Time zones == Central Standard Time – observed in North America's Central Time Zone China Standard Time Chungyuan Standard Time – the term "Chungyuan Standard Time" is now rarely used in Taiwan Australian Central Standard Time (ACST) == Companies == Cell Signaling Technology, an antibody development and production company Cambridge Systems Technology, a defunct British computer peripherals company Church of Spiritual Technology, a corporation of the Church of Scientology Computer Simulation Technology, a maker of computational electromagnetics software Chica...
 
Time for another dicsourse code dive
 
CST is also Central Summer Time in Australia, btw.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't have that HTML
 
Just let that sink in for a bit.
(Well, it's almost unused, but still)
 
Hey GitHub how about case-sensitive searching
 
4:42 PM
@Sofffia Sorry to hear that
 
:datetime is not "best match" for DateTime you stupid shit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did you invent it?
 
@Sofffia I forged it with the lightness from a thousand orbiting suns
 
@CatPlusPlus I wonder if they switch to EST when DST is off.
 
4:43 PM
That would be hilariously bad.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and force cache reloads of all the JS? :snigger:
 
And doubly so if it uses DST settings of the server timezone, but not the timezone itself
 
On technical grounds, not just on Americentric bullshit.
 
(I see no reference time embedded in the HTML, so it'd have to)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Both, frankly
 
CEST ends on 26th
We'll see :v
 
4:44 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hence "not just"
 
Well, no, okay, not if the server is hosted in EDT
then it's just technical
 
haha
fuck me
(don't)
 
The server is in Europe.
 
This is why we can't have nice things (in a timely manner)
 
4:45 PM
HTML5 time format
 
@Sofffia That's not the source; that's an HTML rendering of your DOM, after JS has transformed it with handlers and apps and whatnot
 
Yes
 
Glad we agree!
 
Almost the same thing in this case
 
@Sofffia That's generated from HTML that comes in EDT.
 
4:46 PM
Fuckin hugboxes
 
Oh I see
 
@CatPlusPlus Not really; for one, it doesn't show the thing that this entire conversation is about.
 
You have JS disabled.
Now I have your HTML
 
@Sofffia No.
He just looked at the source.
 
@Sofffia No, I right-clicked in my browser and chose "view source"....
 
4:47 PM
The source, not the DOM.
The source is text.
 
Are you from 1982?
 
> <p>Powered by <a href="http://www.discourse.org">Discourse</a>, best viewed with JavaScript enabled</p>
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Which is the same that you get from disabling JS
 
COMMA ABUSE DETECTED
 
Best viewed in IE6
 
4:48 PM
@Sofffia Yes, in all likelihood. But to assert that I "have JS disabled" is both silly and wrong.
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you change that to Dicsource? :D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I love to be silly.
It's fun.
 
I'm gonna fork it and call the fork that
 
Ohh it could be something else
It might be using system time zone, but the stupid Docker container is configured with EDT or whatever shit
 
4:51 PM
what is Docker
mutherdocker
don't say "framework" plz
 
ahhhh discourse bugs are really easy to google for -.-
 
@CatPlusPlus Why the fuck
 
Because you can't deploy rubby applications without a carefully prepared environment you can carbon-copy
 
Why would you write applications in Ruby
Is it ... to be "cool"?
 
4:53 PM
Don't ask me
ask jeff
 
They wanted to use Node.js and switched to rubby on dials at some point
 
he'd probably just reply with
rubby on dials
nice
Well, time to go home I guess.
 
hahahaha NOPE that's not it
Container is using UTC
 
user1804599
Node.rb
 
4:55 PM
So that is dicsourse failure
 
ahahahaha
I wish I could stay :(
I love you all so much
 
I don't
 
Hell if I'll find where this might be configured
Fucking open classes bullshit
 
4:57 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Or the FYPR defense: "it's open source, fix it yourself"
@CatPlusPlus So looking forward for DST switchover.
@Sofffia How long do I have to look at it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 217 seconds. No more; no less.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fuck Your Pull Request?
 

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