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8:00 PM
ThePhd cant even technology
 
user3010322
Okay... well... it sort of makes sense.
 
user3010322
Now I'm going to try to use function traits so you can avoid specifying which overload, if you don't provide any types.
 
@Borgleader ...his use of technology roughly matches your use of the spiel chucker.
 
spiel des jahres
 
Xeo
@ThePhD FFS
 
user3010322
8:03 PM
@Xeo Listen!
 
user3010322
Listen, there's a good reason for it.
 
user3010322
It's for the magic, okay?
 
Xeo
No. Fuck your "magic".
 
user3010322
Oh come onnnn. set( f ); just feels so... right~
 
@JerryCoffin I'm afraid your intellect far outmatches mine -.-;
 
8:05 PM
No. Xeo-chan wants set<int(int)>([](int) -> int { .. })
Because who knows when you're going to overload a lambda.
Functors can be overloaded, sure.
But atm if it isn't then there's no reason to explicitly state the type
 
Xeo
Documentation, future-proofing.
I don't see the problem with specifying it
 
actually
I agree with ThePhD here.
 
@Borgleader Repeat after me: “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
 
it's one thiing to specify the signature in general but another to do so redundantly.
if it can be deduced, it should be deduced.
 
Yeah that's what I'm saying.
 
user1804599
8:07 PM
Time to play MGS3.
 
user1804599
Download finally finished. :v
 
You don't do std::bind<int(int, int)>(f, std::placeholders::_1, 10)
 
user1804599
8 hours ago, by rightfold
This download is slooooow.
 
@JerryCoffin now you are frightening me
 
user1804599
Lol, that’s like 1GB/h.
 
user3010322
8:08 PM
It'll still break if you try to use an overloaded function with the no-specification bit.
 
@rightfold If you suck on the wire it goes faster.
 
user1804599
It was wireless.
 
user3010322
See? Everything will be okay @Xeo. ♡
 
@ThePhD aww
 
user1804599
Oh.
 
8:09 PM
@StackedCrooked Just send virgins and your fear will disappear (but remember that my definition of virgin is somewhat...canted).
 
user1804599
It has to install the game first.
 
user1804599
Fuck you PlayStation.
 
@rightfold Hahahaha you thought consoles didnt need to install games, how naive of you
 
@JerryCoffin Is virgin olive oil ok?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz std::bind also doesn't expect or need to know any specific signature.
It accepts everything.
 
8:12 PM
@StackedCrooked No. She's too old, and I'm not going to fight with Popeye and Bluto over her.
 
user1804599
Does it accept it when his wife cheats?
 
According to Scott std::bind doesn't have reason for existence.
 
polylambdas finish the job IYAM
 
@JerryCoffin lol
I did not see that coming.
 
Ell
but how would we bind things without std::bind :O
 
Xeo
8:13 PM
@StackedCrooked wrong
@Puppy nope
conciseness is still a big factor for std::bind
 
oh waah, a few extra characters
 
Xeo
unfortunately, it's not just a few if you get to forwarding
 
being able to bind several locals at once by reference or value with uniform captures too is more concise than doing the same with bind.
not to mention dicking around w.r.t. which overload you want to bind and suchlike things.
 
Xeo
[]teehee
 
doesn't exist yet
 
Xeo
8:16 PM
prolly never will
 
agree
 
we all expect it now.
 
Xeo
I give far from enough fucks about C++ atm to even bother with the proposal
I find it far more productive to spend my free time learning Japanese
 
user1804599
@Borgleader uh, I already knew it had to.
 
user1804599
8:19 PM
Just not that it was a separate step.
 
Xeo
Alright, time for Mahouka
 
@Puppy lol
 
hmm
 
@thecoshman should be NSFW really
 
8:25 PM
yes, he should be NSFW
 
user3010322
 
user1804599
@thecoshman awesome
 
user3010322
And, uh. See? Totally no function traits. :D
 
Xeo
@ThePhD shoo shoo
 
@TonyTheLion hardly
 
user3010322
8:26 PM
@Xeo Well, on the bright side, it only activates function_traits for the thing that has type<>, so...
 
user3010322
It's pretty safe!
 
user1804599
Why NSFW? There’s nothing taboo about guitar-like objects.
 
user3010322
Come on, it's pretty safe and usefullll. Cmoon. Admit iiit. <3
 
@rightfold it's a lute you pleb
 
@StackedCrooked It's a damned poor quality of NSFW we see nowadays. When I was a kid, we had real NSFW pictures. In fact, you can still find them if you go visit the right caves.
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
SAME THING
 
user1804599
IT HAS SNARES
 
Xeo
2 mins ago, by Xeo
@ThePhD shoo shoo
 
user3010322
;~;
 
user3010322
But... but it's nice, isn't it? ;~;
 
@ThePhD You could make a case that Russian Roulette is too.
 
8:29 PM
:lol:
 
user1804599
function_traits is impossible to implement and will have holes no matter what.
 
user1804599
C++ doesn’t offer the features necessary to implement function_traits.
 
user3010322
I implemented it pretty well!
 
@ThePhD ... dare I ask... wtf is it trying to do?
 
user1804599
No, you didn’t.
 
user1804599
8:30 PM
Can I pass in any type of which an object can be called?
 
user1804599
(No, I can’t.)
 
user3010322
Yes. Ish.
 
user3010322
If it's templated, you're SOL. But if it's not, you're fine.~
 
Russian roulette is most effective when played with a pistol.
 
user1804599
@ThePhD There. Your function_traits implementation sucks horrifically.
 
user1804599
8:31 PM
And is totally useless.
 
user image
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user3010322
It totally works!
 
user1804599
It sucks and you suck and you should feel bad.
 
user3010322
It's only meant to work on concrete functions!
 
user3010322
Templated functions don't even exist until they're called, sooooooooooooo there.
 
user1804599
8:32 PM
@Jefffrey runState cat
 
user1804599
Fixed!
 
DOES IT LOOK LIKE A STATE MONAD
 
@Jefffrey It looks like a burrito monad =/
 
Xeo
runCat cat
 
or should i say.... purrito monad
@ThePhD might die from ^
 
user3010322
8:33 PM
;~;
 
I asked the mongolian "u mad"? He said I'm nomad.
 
user3010322
;~~~;
 
user3010322
Xeo doesn't like me. There's puns everywhere.
 
user3010322
What is worth living for in this world anymore. :(
 
Wide
 
8:34 PM
Waifus :P
 
user1804599
No shit. Nobody likes people who try to implement function_traits.
 
@Puppy lol
 
user1804599
Jefffrey are you a catboy?
 
what's a catboy
 
Xeo
I am
I wuv me some cats
 
user1804599
8:36 PM
Hot.
 
@Jefffrey something like bobcat perhaps?
 
I'm afraid to google catboy
 
you suck
dogs ftw
 
> the kid from the grudge who meows...
- urban dictionary
 
user1804599
Well, time to play a video game.
 
user1804599
8:39 PM
Später!
 
Has science gone too far
 
that looks like the bastard child of the pink panther and one of those glittery "vampires" from twilight =/
 
yeah, you won't find worse
wait...
 
@Jefffrey rule #34 ?
 
@StackedCrooked It's most effective when played...unconventionally. flickr.com/photos/zeldman/8531609233
 
8:51 PM
I like how the last guy smiles in the beginning and then gradually gets more nervous. While the opposite is happening on the other side.
 
@StackedCrooked His drawings were true works of art (unlike most of what was intended as "art" at the time, most of which is complete dreck).
 
Most of what is intended as art at any time is complete dreck.
 
@StackedCrooked I suppose it follows Sturgeon's law as well.
 
9:11 PM
fap fap fap
 
Ell
Javascript doesn't support threads or anything like that does it? :3
 
@Ell WebWorkers is the best you are going to get. Multiple threads that only talk through message passing.
 
Ell
9:27 PM
hmm
 
Someone is trying to argue with me
._.
 
ugh
 
> Manages the organisation and rendering of a 'scene' i.e. a collection of objects and potentially world geometry.
lol
 
I don't know how to convince this guy.
I give up tbh.
 
"collection of things"
"this manages 'foo', but we have no idea what foo really is, so we've put it in quotes"
@Rapptz Just leave him alone vOv
Y'know, xkcd #386.
 
9:30 PM
@AlexM. what's wrong? Should he be wearing a helmet?
 
nah, the problem is with the guy filming on his bike instead of watching the road
 
@Griwes :v
I suppose.
 
Ell
@Rapptz Ogre3d is just a fustercluck of managers and horrible things :/
 
I know.
 
Someone recently tried to convince me that C++ is "dynamically typed", because exceptions are "dynamically typed" and you can "return" "dynamically typed" values by throwing.
6
His definition of "dynamically typed" was "not deductible at compile time" :F
 
Ell
9:33 PM
I don't know how torchlight lived with themselves :p
 
Uh-oh, I just discovered something terrible in my code. I know understand why it kept unleashing all hell when executed with certain amount of threads in a thread pool.
References are evil :F
 
when using threads you have to be very careful for lifetime bugs
 
Yes.
 
Is this far enough? Fuck facebook!
 
Exactly.
 
9:36 PM
aye
 
I need help with something.
 
What is a good portable C++ game engine?
 
@Griwes So all inheritance, boost::any, etc, are all dynamic typed?
 
Seems Unity is just for C#?
 
@Chimera None.
 
9:43 PM
@Griwes C++ is dynamically typed. From C++98 to C++11 its type has changed from mostly object oriented to much more generic.
 
@Puppy Boost.Any kinda is.
 
"game programmers" are notoriously shit, and combining game programmers and C++ is just a recipe for disaster.
especially if you decide to add in hard requirements like portability.
 
@Puppy s/portability/code that isn't shit/
 
@Chimera DNE.
Guys
 
@Rapptz All those projects DNF
 
9:44 PM
@Puppy But many good games have been created by game programmers in C++.
 
@Puppy Next time I see John Carmack, I'll pass along your message.
 
Carmack's code is bad.
I've seen it
It's the definition of C with Classes.
 
@Chimera Feel free. The guy hasn't done anything of note in 20 years, and his code (if not his ideas) were shit back then too.
 
It just seems like so many 'game programmers' are stuck in an age where you had to turn to dirty hacks to get the performance you need. They fail to acknowledge that the hardest thing with games these days is working with so many people. Your code has to be easy to work with first and foremost.
 
@Puppy Do you honestly believe most would be able to produce good code by choosing some other language?
 
9:45 PM
@StackedCrooked Looks like I introduced a bug fixing that bug (but it mostly worked), and fixing the other bug makes the code not work again.
 
@JerryCoffin No.
 
@StackedCrooked ood games != good code
 
I am beginning to have enough of this.
 
@Griwes Enough of??
 
what, the game programmer bash?
 
9:46 PM
@Chimera Of introducing bugs while fixing bugs.
 
let's face it, it's easy to bash game programmers, they practically bash themselves, it's like bashing C or Java or PHP but we haven't done it so much it's boring by now.
 
Especially in multithreaded and multiprocess environment. Argh.
@Puppy :D
 
@Griwes That is software development... it seems it can't be completely escaped.
 
@Griwes add more tests
 
@thecoshman I am writing the testing framework goddammit
 
9:47 PM
@thecoshman ...and of course the tests will never have any bugs in them. No, never!
 
bootstrap it noob
 
@Griwes ... test it more :S
 
Also tests would just tell me it doesn't work, which isn't very helpful right now.
 
I would love to write "horrible shit code" like Carmack and have the money and freedom he enjoys now to explore space flight and rocket science.
 
I know where it fails, I only don't know why yet.
 
9:48 PM
@Chimera Nobody ever said that writing good code was a pre-requisite for producing good games (unfortunately, it isn't).
 
(Side note: it's the tests that tell me it doesn't work, so... :P)
 
@Griwes exactly...
 
but aside from anything else, the programming industry has changed completely.
there's a reason why that guy hasn't done anything of note in 20 years
and it's because his programming style became obsolete decades ago.
 
I'm sure Carmack's a good programmer now though.
He doesn't seem too bad.
Though he recently bashed "STL" lol
 
isn't he the guy who posted about how C arrays were so much faster than std::list?
 
9:49 PM
So I'm not sure he changed much in the C++ department
no, don't think so
 
I mean, if I'm gonna bash him, let's actually have it be for things that he actually did.
or, more relevantly, not done, like produce anything of note for decades.
 
@Puppy very well may be... but in real life production code when you have deadlines etc.. even today, compromises have to be made which lead to less than perfect "academia blessed" code.
 
hah
academics are the only things even worse than game programmers.
we'd all be in a better place if academia blessed code was vaguely competent and lecturers bothered to learn the stuff they taught their students.
 
I've worked in the corporate world long enough to know that even if a programmer wanted to and had the ability to write perfect code they can't because of the business and other constraints... wish it was different.
 
@Puppy And there's one thing worse than academics: self-taught programmers who think everyone else is a member of academia and is therefore wrong.
 
9:53 PM
@Griwes lol! nice! I see what you did there.
 
I don't recall suggesting that anyone in particular, let alone everyone, was academic.
 
That wasn't directed at anyone present.
 
in fact Fred is the only one I can name in here who is an academic and he's certainly an exception to the rule.
 
I have a very specific person in the OSDev.Org community in mind.
 
oh, ok
@Chimera There's a thousand miles between "perfect code" and "game programmer code".
 
9:55 PM
A guy who thinks that if a complete newcomer can't learn a language in a week, it's a bad language.
And also that abstractions are completely useless.
 
you don't have to obsess over every detail to not use stringly-typed Singleton managers everywhere.
 
@Griwes Who are you referring to?
 
For example, he said that generic code makes no sense; sort is never reusable, since you virtually never want to sort things using the same comparator.
 
Ell
@Griwes I never "learned" javascript, but I'm writing it now! (I'm a terrible person)
 
lol
 
9:56 PM
lol
 
well that's an epicular fail.
 
Ell
I have a terrible mix of jquery and vanilla
 
how very game programmer of him
 
Ell
and I don't know which is which
 
@Chimera Brendan @ osdev.org
 
Ell
9:57 PM
@Griwes wut. Carmack said that? jeez :S
 
17 secs ago, by Griwes
@Chimera Brendan @ osdev.org
 
@Puppy there's a thousand miles between perfect code and 90% of production code no matter the industry ( except for maybe military and systems that can cause physical harm to the environment or people ).
 
Ell
Oh. oops, my bad
 
@Ell You have been gifted the backlog; use it!
 
@Chimera There's not a thousand miles.
every system can be improved upon, but you don't have to spew out endless shit that costs more time in debugging and cannot be refactored or maintained.
which is what we usually see from game programmers.
FTR, that's why I like the LLVM community; the guys there are usually quite aware that their code needs to be better, and they actually go out and check the requirements and check what can be better and what the real costs are.
 
9:59 PM
@Griwes it's called the transcript, dramatizer
 
@Puppy True.. but in the real world of programming for corporations you mostly end of with that kind of code because it also evolves, takes on new functionality it wasn't originally designed for and team member turn over. My point is a doubt it;s just a game development specific issue.
 

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