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12:00 AM
Don't remember it if so.
here it is with GTX 760 and 16 GB RAM
$1300 USD
 
is it just me or is this conversation incredibly fucking boring?
 
Xeo
without the discounts, it's about the same as mine
oh yeah @ThePhD, why were you asking about vengeance vs g.skill?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit just you, go sleep
 
i got a GTI 435000i with ALX and TUY on the rocks for $643
wowzer
 
HI folks!
 
hi
 
user3010322
12:01 AM
@Xeo I usually go with GSkill
 
user3010322
Works out pretty great
 
Xeo
Dunno, from what I read, it really doesn't matter anymore, as long as it's at least 1600 MHz
aside from that, the differences are either only visible under OC, or for really specific things high up in the MHz departement, with low clock latency
 
Ell
Imho memory speed doesn't make a difference either
But what do I know :3
 
@Xeo These aren't really the parts I'd pick :p
 
Xeo
?
 
12:04 AM
I don't typically get MSI
 
Xeo
eh, I think the EVGA is about the same price
 
@Xeo think i might baiii!
 
Well the mobo is expensive too lol
You can get a good Z87 mobo for like $80
 
Xeo
ye, but not with 3x PCIe 16x and 3-way SLI capability
 
Only need 2-way.
3-way is way too much for my poor PSU anyhoo.
 
Xeo
12:05 AM
hehe
with 2 MSI GTX 760 and 32GB RAM (with no overclocking) I barely go over 550W
so I went with 650W
 
750 W or bust
1 TB x 2 is cheaper than 2 TB
damn you Western Digital ._.
 
Xeo
oh, actually, the G45 only has 2x SLI, and 3x CrossFire.
still, 2 GPUs should be more than enough
fuck it, I'll get that build. Too bad it's another 99 bucks for them to assemble and test it. And since I'm getting OEM Win8, I have no other choice.
 
Does anyone know a tool that really supports generic designs? "Support" like in "supporting the designer onhis task".
Besides Doxygen. :)
 
Xeo
1.3k. This is going to kill my funds for the next few months...
I guess I'll actually wait until after my salary talk on Monday
 
How much money do you get a month?
o.o
 
Xeo
12:12 AM
which hopefully turns out well. ugh.
 
after bills and taxes
 
Xeo
1.6k
900 fixed costs, roughly
I have a bit saved up, and this build will carve deeply into those savings
 
Why would it kill your funds then? :v
 
Xeo
I like having big savings :/
and I still need to get a proper kitchen
which is, worst case, another 1.8k
as well as other furniture.
ugh
all my savings will be gone x_x
 
:(
 
12:15 AM
stop programming and become a project manager. :)
 
Xeo
The worst thing is, even if my salary talk turns out well, and I get my imagined raise, it won't add all that much to the net outcome...
2.5k -> 3k is the goal, which is admittedly a rather large jump. But even after that, my net outcome will only go up by 250-300, I think
meh
 
You only make $30k a year? o.o
 
Xeo
eur
but yes.
 
still not a lot
 
Xeo
I can live from it, and afford some niceties
 
12:17 AM
starting wage for developers here is like $55k
which is apparently 40.3k euro
 
Xeo
and I've only been in the industry, and even on the job market, for 1.5 years
@Rapptz costs of living etc
it's not directly comparable I found
 
That's why I mentioned here :v
Not in California where the starting wage is like $80k or something absurd.
 
Xeo
Thing is, I actually really hate all this salary shit
 
What do you mean?
 
Xeo
and it's increadibly annoying that you're only likely to get big jumps in salary by switching jobs, which I don't want
 
12:19 AM
Oh.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I am extremely anxious when it gets to the salary talk, either in interviews or even the one on Monday
I know it's something that is supposed to take place, and is perfectly normal
but I just feel increadibly uncomfortable with it all
 
Yeah I can understand I guess.
Sometimes it makes me feel greedy
 
Xeo
I don't even have any specific reason as to why
@Rapptz Yeah. :/
I really like my work place, if not totally what I'm working on, and I want to stay there.
 
I know it's usually the case to jump jobs when you want a higher salary
But I started at $65k and I make $108k now
I didn't switch jobs workplaces
but I work in a completely different field
 
Xeo
how long have you worked at that place?
 
12:21 AM
6 years
 
Xeo
sounds like good growth as far as the salary is concerned
 
@Rapptz o.O Damn
 
Xeo
Did you specifically ask for raises periodically or was it just something that happens?
 
Well I switched responsibilities :v
 
Xeo
haha. I started as a C++ server programmer. Now I'm also an AS3 client-side programmer, part-time Flasher and knowledgeable in mobile dev with AIR.
which is one of my arguments for Monday
Oh yeah, I was debating over whether to buy CloudBuilt, Edge of Space and TowerFall: Ascension.
 
12:25 AM
I went from transportation/lab related work, psychology related stuff, epidemiology related things, to cancer related things
 
Xeo
I should decide quickly
 
@Xeo Started C++ and downgraded to Adobe tech expert. Such a sad downfall for you ;)
 
Xeo
@Borgleader also :P
I've been more on the server side again, lately
 
Server stuff sounds boring
:c
 
Xeo
not really
the client-side is mainly interface stuff and some local logic, the server handles most of the logic
Though it'd be fun to work on a non-client/server thing again
 
12:27 AM
Making video games sounds cool.
I guess.
 
Xeo
2 mins ago, by Xeo
Oh yeah, I was debating over whether to buy CloudBuilt, Edge of Space and TowerFall: Ascension.
You surely played one of those, right?
 
TF:A
 
Xeo
thoughts on it?
 
do you like action games
 
Xeo
I love Terraria. Does that count?
 
12:30 AM
no
 
Xeo
It has plenty of action though :(
 
0/10 on my action scale
 
Xeo
wut
your scales are whacky
 
I didn't even know Terraria was considered Action
that's how little I considered an action game :v
 
Xeo
Okay. What would you qualify as an action game that's similar to TF:A in some way?
 
12:33 AM
any type of FFA action game
like SSB
 
Xeo
Oh yeah, love that
 
You go around killing people
You have limited arrows
Man.
I wish I was competent at gamedev.
 
@Rapptz You would suck at C++, then, though :(
 
Xeo
wut
 
(Game developers are terrible at C++)
 
Xeo
12:36 AM
Could you please not bash C++ GameDevs in my presence? :<
 
You're the exception, not the rule.
 
By the way HELLO
 
hi
 
Xeo
Edge of Space also seems like a more action-oriented version of Terraria / Starbound
still in early access though
 
play with a controller btw
 
Xeo
12:39 AM
Oh whatever. Would've been a shame if I didn't buy anything this summer sale
 
playing these types of games with a keyboard is a pain
my two cents though
How much is TF:A now?
 
Xeo
10eur
33% off
for another 20mins
Cave Story+ is also 30% off during summer sale... still hoping that one gets a bigger discount.
 
do you have friends to play with you though
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Yesh
 
offline I mean
 
Xeo
12:42 AM
ye
 
okay
 
Xeo
alright, I should really sleep now
D&D tomorrow
g'night
 
user3010322
I'm a good C++ gamedev!
 
user3010322
@Xeo Night.
 
I present you
the greatest function of all time
void update(float dt) {
    position += speed * dt;
}
 
user3010322
12:50 AM
-1 no forces -1 where's acceleration
 
acceleration is for babies
 
I'm pretty sure I've wrote that function at some point in my life.
 
Jeffrey this is some advanced calculus
I deleted the function.
Its awesomeness was too much for this world.
 
user3010322
RIP greatest function of all time
 
user3010322
2014-2014
 
12:56 AM
gonna eat ice cream and contemplate why I suck so bad
 
user3010322
But why do you suck so bad?
 
@Rapptz wat
 
I don't know.
This ice cream is delicious
 
Oh, ok.
 
@Jefffrey ?
It's a pretty useless function.
update
 
1:00 AM
Took me way too much to realized you were talking about a function you have encountered in some codebase you are working on.
 
No I wrote it like 10 minutes ago
Then deleted it
 
Even worse.
 
user3010322
@Xeo Why not a core i7 Haswell?
 
user3010322
Too expensive for your blood?
 
i5 vs i7 isn't too different
 
user3010322
1:01 AM
Not very, but if he wants 550 W and 2 graphics cards i7 can buy him a lot as far as power difference, IIRC
 
i7 and i5 don't have much of a difference lol
he already has a K
@Jefffrey Should be worth noting the function isn't wrong
Just relatively useless
 
It works. For some loose definition of "work".
 
I'm bored.
and I have a sudden wave of depression
 
me too
what do
 
I dreamed about optimising some code last night/this morning ... sadness
 
1:07 AM
You are a programmer?
 
I write code sometimes
 
Oh.
 
optimising my own code if that makes it better ... :'(
 
> I have been working with C for 10+ years
Oh boy.
Must have been some miserable 10 years.
 
well, could be one of those people who is working on the kernel/drivers
 
1:10 AM
@Jefffrey not really :-)
 
I would probably end up killing myself if I had to work 8 hours a day with C for 10 years, tbh.
 
dis song <3 omfg
 
@Jefffrey C is OK
 
@40two get out =/
 
@Borgleader Ladies first
 
1:13 AM
Oh, he is a girl. Nice one.
 
@Jefffrey 3rd grade joke
@Jefffrey still of practical use though
 
@40two ...for differing values of "OK"
 
Oh, there are still some familiar faces around.
 
Hm.
 
@milleniumbug No dude C is a good language.
Stands the test of time...
 
1:18 AM
...for differing values of "good"
 
@40two So do java and php, whats your point? =/
 
@Borgleader Java is a terrible language
 
Who is staring?
 
These "language X is better than Y" is just a waste of time. Want a productive discussion? Tab vs Spaces :-P
 
Tabs vs spaces is a banned subject here
 
1:21 AM
3
2
FIGHT
1
 
There used to be a bin for it
 
Yup. And there's dos2unix/unix2dos as well.
 
Z is better than Y.
 
@jweyrich I apologize, Java is the most portable language, it runs on every machine
provided that this machine has JVM installed...
So Java is the most portable language, it runs on every Java Virtual Machine...
 
1:25 AM
@40two Non sequitur?
 
Oct 20 '13 at 21:56, by sehe
> Yes, yes Java updater "3 billon devices run java". 14 million people have syphills, too, but that doesn't mean I want it. Tweeted by brucel on October 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM
6
 
@jweyrich LOL
 
C runs on every operating system.
 
@jweyrich Where did you dig from this one?
 
Quite literally.
 
1:28 AM
Because there's a non-literal form?
 
@40two In my experience running code on on the JVM is a crap shoot, some JVMs are more equal than others
 
@Mgetz still though, Java is beautiful...
 
We all have rants about pretty much every language we use(d). Java is a memory hog. And I can't favor C in other aspects such as standard support for containers, common algorithms, etc.
 
@Rapptz Cersei Lannister: The Early Years LOL LOL LOL LOL
 
1:32 AM
@40two I do hope you're trolling...
 
@40two can't remember, but it's relatively new (~4 or 5 years).
 
@Mgetz Having free functions is bad dude, so Java took care of it, everything must in an object.
Yes even main.
 
@40two Java has main as well, and it's a "free" function, as you call it. Well, it's a static member function, which is equally "bad".
 
@40two on what basis... you dislike free functions? because honestly free functions are the foundation of functional programming... which kicks everything's arse
 
@Mgetz Free functions are bad, OOP is the future!
 
1:36 AM
@40two every time I hear shit like that I can be pretty certain the person saying it doesn't really understand OOP, or more specifically OOPD, their code is usually a tightly bound mess.
 
@Mgetz Am I the only one who thinks he's trolling?
 
no
 
some people (and languages) think everything should be an object. Good luck with that! Now you have to come up with a class name for min/max/floor/ceil/log10, just to cite an example from math in which a class doesn't seem to be required. Pure functions.
 
Java has the concept of "free" functions
They're static functions inside a class because they use classes as namespaces :v
Hence, Math.max, Math.min, etc.
 
or lambdas in java 8
 
1:39 AM
 
user1804599
MGS2 download goes a lot faster.
 
user1804599
About 2MB/s.
 
user1804599
Still terrible but better than 0.25MB/s.
 
Java sucks but C is OK
 
user1804599
C and Java both suck.
 
1:49 AM
Dennis I love you!!!
@rightfold 1972 - today and still the most popular programming language...
 
user1804599
Oh right. That makes it less bad.
 
user1804599
(WTF?)
 
@rightfold WTF indeed
 
user1804599
It’s obsolete.
 
@rightfold It's not
 
user1804599
1:54 AM
It is.
 
user1804599
It’s been superseded by C++.
 
@rightfold It's not
 
user1804599
There is no reason to use C these days.
 
user1804599
Other than “I only know C and I’m an idiot who doesn’t want to learn anything else.”
 
@rightfold Are you a programmer?
 
user1804599
1:55 AM
Yup.
 
There are still situations where you need to use C. Sometimes the platform doesn't support C++.
 
@rightfold Then you know that C is pretty much alive
 
user1804599
Uh, so what?
 
user1804599
Doesn’t mean you should use it.
 
user1804599
COBOL is also alive yet nobody is dumb enough to use it for new software.
 
1:58 AM
@rightfold This is stupid C is the best language ever existed till now, C++ has a long road to go till we can safely say that it is a successful language.
 
user1804599
wat
 
user1804599
You’re a moron. *plonk*
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked bin this terrible discussion please. :v
 
@40two you just lost all of your credibility
 
Next Facebook randomly assigns users as "prisoners" or "guards"
 
2:00 AM
@StackedCrooked I'm not saying that C++ is a bad language for the record.
 
user1804599
My credit card lost all of its credits.
 
user3010322
@Xeo Something's funky with GCC and the deduction thing you gaveme.
 
@StackedCrooked I'm just saying that programming in C is perfectly alright
 
user3010322
When I turn all the parameters into universal template values, it fails to compile at all.
 
user3010322
2:16 AM
Oh.
 
user3010322
@Xeo You can't name an overloaded function set and just pass the overloaded function set down the stack. It's illegal, so it doesn't register.
 
user3010322
Which means I need to move the mechanics for making the function all the way up into state, rather than passing the unresolved overloaded function set all the way down and then disambiguating at the bottom before I use it.
 
user3010322
That's kind've.... dumb. =/
 
2:30 AM
@ThePhD why can't you just write code for once? :)
 
user3010322
I'm already fixing it. ._.
 
3:21 AM
@40two Of course, dude. Of course.
Oct 20 '13 at 22:09, by Pawnguy7
@Jefffrey "Oh wait, we messed up. Let's start all over again."
Oh boy. The chills.
 
Chills?
 
Pawnguy7 died a gruesome death.
 
What!?!?
 
Yup.
 
TIL
 
3:25 AM
He confusingly crossed the road.
What the fuck it's 5:26 AM.
I want my two hours back.
 
3:39 AM
Hello, World!
 
user3010322
Die in a fire.
 
whoa...why the hostility? =p
 
user3010322
I dunno, just felt like it. <3
 
user3010322
How're you?
 
I thought I was doing pretty well...then my best friend in all the world tells me to die ;-(
 
user3010322
3:40 AM
:(
 
user3010322
I was just joking!
 
how's the CS going?
I decided I'm going to grad school!
 
user3010322
Pretty okay.
 
user3010322
Oooh, nice!
 
user3010322
For CS, or some other specific degree?
 
3:41 AM
yup, CS
 
user3010322
Kinky.
 
user3010322
When you finish, you can get into those secret research groups.
 
umm...apparently we have different ideas of CS...
 
user3010322
Computer Science?
 
what's kinky about that? =p
 
user3010322
3:42 AM
Everything.
 
seems pretty vanilla to me
 
user3010322
It shouldn't even be called Computer Science.
 
@Code-Apprentice Bad idea.
Stop while you're ahead.
 
user3010322
It should be called Computer Science Sexy.
 
haha
@Rapptz why do you say that?
 
3:45 AM
Everything about grad school is terrible.
It'd take me at least 2 hours to come up with something I like about it.
I'm a PhD student btw
 
oic
well, I'm just going to do a masters for now
 
I just got that along the way
It wasn't even that hard
 
what was your thesis?
 
nice thesis =p
 
3:49 AM
Reminded me of that.
Anyhoo, which one?
 
lol, nice
 
My dissertation for my master's?
 
yah, that
 
I got it along the way so it was an offshoot study about the increased rate of cancers over the past ~50 years.
The current one I'm doing is about stem cells and their effects on different cancers
Are you planning on publishing papers?
 
perhaps
I hate writing, though
 
3:54 AM
You know these things are hundreds of pages right?
 
@Rapptz so I take it you aren't doing CS?
yah...
 
No
 
what field?
 
I'm a biomedical scientist
 
ahh
trying out the Android "L Preview"
 

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