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Xeo
5:01 PM
@AlexM. What a fine answer
 
still going through it myself
 
Anyone want to help with this simple bit of code?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24468964/klein-wep-attack-implementation-in-c
 
Five fors inside a while wrapped in a for guarded by an if, srsly? I would suggest you break the algorithm up into smaller pieces and put them in separate functions. — FredOverflow 1 min ago
 
@thecoshman Prepositions are words that express what in other languages is expressed with cases.
Temporal and spatial relations, containment, belonging, etc...
@Ell Technically that's a prepositional phrase.
 
@FredOverflow It's just amazing that devs. write code like that and then expect someone else to debug it by blog. They seem to think that code gets fixed by looking intently at the source - no testing, debugging required.
 
5:09 PM
right
gonna trot the mutt
you said you fed bailey, right?
 
Yeah - and OK and, as it's stopped raining, I'll go walk him now too:)
 
@MartinJames It makes me want to design a language where the nesting level cannot exceed 2.
 
user3010322
@Xeo You still here? :o
 
Xeo
never
 
@FredOverflow Block any commit attempts with nesting levels above 2, works with any language ;)
 
Xeo
5:12 PM
cue mitigation with local functions / lambdas
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you seem to overestimate my understanding of language :P
 
Xeo
defined and used in-place
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like particles.
Oh hey, Action - Platformer won the community vote
 
user3010322
Well, I think I am almost doing it right.
 
user3010322
But I can't get a way to specify a bunch of variadic template parameters first-hand
 
user3010322
5:13 PM
not without some kind of... templated-struct-disambiguiator-thingy
 
user3010322
e.g. types<...>
 
What's the opposite of "expectation"?
I can't seem to find it online.
 
@Jefffrey Can you use it in a sentence?
 
Nevermind. It's called antonym and I were able to find it.
 
@Jefffrey "surprise"?
 
5:16 PM
@Jefffrey No, that's the opposite of "synonym".
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Oh yeah, with overloaded / templated free functions, you will have to specify the full signature, btw
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like in "x should be y" is an expectation, "x should not be y" is...?
 
user3010322
@Xeo Wat.
 
@Jefffrey still an expectation
 
yeah, I figured
 
5:17 PM
but in the first you expect something to happen
and in the 2nd you expect something to not happen
 
@Jefffrey reality
 
you can also look at them as assumptions
 
Xeo
oh hm, maybe not
 
The reality of things it that you'll always hold a beer in your hand.
 
5:20 PM
@Rapptz me at every party I attend
just kidding, I don't go to parties
 
Yay, almost done.
 
I felt so bad for him in that scene.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what kind of beer is that?
 
I don't think I've ever felt that bad in a romantic comedy.
:v
 
Ell
5:21 PM
or rather what is it supposed to do? :)
 
@Rapptz that movie was depressing
 
@Rapptz is that 500 days of summer or something like that?
 
eternal sunshine of the spotless mind-depressing
 
@Jefffrey Yeah.
My ex-girlfriend told me the movie reminded her of us so I watched it
terrible mistake
 
lol
 
5:22 PM
the guy dances with everybody in the street in some scene I think
 
you should have asked someone first
 
guise
I should go outside
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion Hi :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What is that? Are you procreating?
 
but :effort:
 
5:22 PM
I always read about the ending of any romantic anime I plan to watch
 
I'm expecting tony to go outside.
 
then again, I don't care much about spoilers
if it's sad, I don't watch it
 
I'd rather not ruin it
 
@Jefffrey you hold such high expectations of me
 
But the ending for that movie is pretty BS
 
5:23 PM
it is
that's why it's so highly rated
 
@Ell hello :D
 
people LOVE drama
 
@Rapptz I don't remember it, so it must be a really bad ending.
 
Ell
I wonder if anyone here lives in east sussex.
 
the Lounge doesn't love drama
 
5:23 PM
It does.
 
when something goes wrong, even if people don't like it, they still watch it
 
@Ell Depends where
 
Ell
I'm going to eastbourne tomorrow for an interview the following day
 
I wouldn't want to see a body falling down of a building.
 
that's not drama
 
5:24 PM
@Ell Right now it's just a handmade slimmed-down variant of an Arduino with a socket for serial programming.
 
that's a gib
 
@AlexM. Something went wrong though.
 
@Jefffrey "The Game"?
 
@Jefffrey Yeah, it was that bad probably.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Awesome :) Did you design it all yourself?
 
5:25 PM
Good morning.
 
@Jefffrey nope, you get bonus points for gibs
it's all kinds of right
 
@Ell would take me 1.5hrs to get there
 
I'm waiting for a transistor array to arrive to fill in the empty space and drive a pair of motors.
 
bad joke, nvm
 
@AlexM. gibs?
 
5:25 PM
@Chimera What's new in C land?
 
> of 3D computer games, a fragment esp. a gobbet of flesh resulting from total obliteration of a target usually by means of an explosion; giblet.
like exploding corpses in quake
 
@FredOverflow Not much man... trying to move away from it... :-) How are you?
 
I'll plug one of these adafruit.com/products/1588 in the serial socket to add wireless control.
 
@Chimera I have been trying to get into Clojure lately. But I simply cannot get over all the parentheses :-(
 
By the way guise, I'm shitting too much these days. Almost 2 times a day.
 
5:27 PM
isn't that a good thing?
I go daily
been going daily for what, 10 years now?
 
@Jefffrey The days I shit twice are my happy days.
 
I have to get used to it.
 
@FredOverflow Well good luck...
:-)
 
@FredOverflow hehe
 
@Ell Yeah. In Paint.NET :S
 
Ell
5:27 PM
@TonyTheLion Hmm. Not sure if it's worth it, I'm only there for a morning :P
 
@Jefffrey means your roughage is all good
 
Ell
the south is too far away -.-
 
@Jefffrey Have you changed your diet lately? Lots of fibers?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can I have a look? :D
I love electronics
I don't really do it at the minute though, just read about it :P
 
I tried to learn electronics once
my brain fried
then I became a programmer :|
 
5:28 PM
@FredOverflow Nope, I'm just moving more.
 
@Jefffrey That's what your bowels said!
 
Ell
I have my arduino box beside me :P
 
lol
 
How much are arduinos?
$100ish?
:3
 
@Rapptz No.
Cheap as dirt.
 
5:30 PM
@Ell So do I. Here's one of my projects/products.
 
And handmade even cheaper.
 
@TonyTheLion What, so you could program programs to fry your brain for you?
 
Ell
@Rapptz €20.00 + VAT
(from official website)
 
It's even programmed in C++ :-)
 
5:31 PM
I got the microprocessor on eBay for 2 euros.
 
The one of the right is the prototype.
 
Ell
@Chimera Cool :) is it an analogue video transmitter?
 
@Chimera Nice light reflections on marble ground! Did you write that raytracer?
 
Ell
ahh I see
 
Bought five of each part, total 27.50 euros.
 
5:32 PM
@FredOverflow lol.
 
That's 5.50 per kit.
 
@Ell No... those BNC connectors are for for ORP and PH sensors.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You gotta be kitting me!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your brain is worth a whole 2 euros?
 
Ell
Oh right :3 I assumed video for some reason
 
5:33 PM
@Ell Probably because of the two connectors.
It actually an automated pool chemistry monitoring and adjustment product. The idea is to put the typical "pool guy" out of business. :-)
 
Ell
@Chimera I wanted to make one of those but I didn't know where I could get a chlorine detector
 
Ell
insert is that a picture for ants meme
 
I work at 1600% zoom
It's nice to paint pixels.
 
5:36 PM
@Ell Yeah that's what the ORP sensor is for. It measures the amount of "active" chlorine in the water... in an indirect manner. And the water needs to be within a particular small PH range for the chlorine to be most effective.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Kind of looks like a breadboard
 
user3010322
it IS a breadboard.
 
It's a perfboard.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh....
 
5:38 PM
@Chimera See pic of the real thing further above.
 
woops
I accidentally named every dynamic function "dynamic".
 
user3010322
@Xeo What... what the hell is all that magic at the top.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't know you liked electronics... but I guess since you are a robot I shouldn't be surprised. Is the uController an ATMega?
 
@Puppy Better than accidentally "Eng. dynamic"
 
5:40 PM
Eng. dynamic?
 
Engineer
I think he's referring to the story
 
ok I guess I just don't get the joke
 
Where the guy accidentally said he was an Engineer
You suck puppy
Explaining the joke ruins it
 
@Chimera I'm just starting with it.
 
5:41 PM
I got the thing about the guy accidentally saying he was an engineer, but I guess I just don't see how "Eng. dynamic" refers to it
plus, it was already ruined since I didn't get it
 
Ell
@Chimera Damn well I need one of those. I get told off when I forget my chlorination duties and allow the jacuzzi to go green :P
 
@Ell yuck... algae bloom
 
Ell
yup :p
At that point I have to somehow stealthily empty it and fill it up again
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Picking out function pointers, member function pointers and function objects
 
Xeo
5:43 PM
overloaded functions / member functions need to be resolved as soon as they're passed
otherwise you get the "no overload found" thing
 
lol, and then I "fixed" it by naming them (.
 
@Puppy yea :P
 
@Chimera Yeah. The controller is the same you get in an Arduino Uno (ATMega328P). I put the basic components on less space so I can get the whole thing in a single board. Now I have some space left in the bottom to put the transistors.
@Chimera Did you get a custom PCB printed?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.. I did the layout of the PCB in EagleCAD, two layers and hand assembled the first batch of 10.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Arduino is the rage.. it's a good place to start.
 
it's amazing how many more tests pass when you name functions what the user told you to name them instead of random token names.
 
5:46 PM
@Chimera Where did you order it?
I've been looking but every PCB printing service I find is expensive as hell unless you want to order hundreds.
And then it's cheap per board, but still not affordable as a whole because it's hundreds of them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes pcb-pool.com
 
I can get 3 euros per board, but that means 300 euros.
@Chimera Thanks, I'll check that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are reasonably priced and produce a very nice product.
 
Is yours HAL or ENIG?
Hmm, they charge the same for either, it seems.
 
> It is either that or change his name: even a teacher should be able to afford the £33 fee for a Deed Poll, though perhaps he has already changed it from something even more embarrassing, like Dr Lesticle, Dr Lyphilis or Nick Clegg.
heh.
Nick Clegg- the official buttmonkey of the entire of the United Kingdom.
 
5:53 PM
@Chimera Is SMD soldering difficult?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes for you, obviously
 
Don't solder your fingers. It isn't a knife!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah... it's you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It can be. Depends on the pitch of pins on the parts.
 
I do fine with THT, but SMD components are so much smaller.
 
5:55 PM
Normally you'd order your SMT board with a stencil, use solder paste, place your parts and reflow the board.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It can be done by hand with the right tools.... but it is tedious...
 
with a good iron you can do SMD, probably not the super small SMD stuff
 
@Chimera Don't you need an oven for that?
 
what's like. The cheapest laptops sell for?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes! A lot of people make due with a toaster oven....
 
@Chimera s/due/do/
 
5:56 PM
@Chimera Oh.
Maybe I'll give it a try sometime.
 
SMD is cool and all, but through hole just feels nicer to work with IMO
 
@thecoshman hmm... is "do" really the proper usage there... thanks for pointing it out.
 
I want this thing to fit on a telescope mount without being in the way of any moving parts.
@thecoshman Yeah, but space :|
 
@Chimera it is indeed, 'due' is more like 'the payment is due'
 
@thecoshman It is, but nowadays it's hard to find the parts you need in through hole packages.
 
5:58 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but cools :P
@Chimera yeah, fancy ICs tend to only be SMD, though you can often find breakout boards
 
@thecoshman You're correct. grammarist.com/usage/make-do-make-due
@thecoshman Yep... thank god for those.. sparkfun.com and adafruit.com sell nice stuff for the hobbyist.....
 
@Chimera adafruit <3
 

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