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02:03
She is.
I know dogs like to sniff people's butts, but why are you hitting on someone's mother?
it's 2am and I desperately want to sleep but can't.
only 15 mins to go
until what?
@DeadMG "forced to offer equality" uhm
do you not see the inherent hypocrisy there?
02:06
I fail to see the hypocrisy in suggesting that gay people should be treated equally everywhere.
Isn't it true though?
why should organisations that do not want to induct homosexual relations into their spiritual ranks be treated differently than those that do?
universal equality is intractible
when will you people understand this
why should businesses that do not want to induct homosexuals into their ranks be treated differently than those that do?
why should businesses be forced to serve homosexual customers?
02:07
Are they?
pretty sure they are, yes.
at least, in the jurisdiction in question.
I was told a quote as a kid. "Jesus first. Others second. Yourself third." And I was like, nothing is ever going to get done that way.
We need to lose the retarded, internally inconsistent PC rhetoric and focus on getting shit done.
sounds like a shitty place if a business is forced to serve customers.
exactly
No business should be forced to serve anyone. Ever.
their sexuality is fucking IRRELEVANT
indeed
02:08
nobody said you have to serve someone if he's an asshole just because he's gay.
but suddenly if you're gay you are supposed to get the rights to everything ever?
how is that equality? it's privilege. There is a drive for privilege.
I meant; that they should be treated equally.
well
heterosexuals have no right to be served by any business whatsoever.
we all agree that they should be equal; it's simply a question of what equality actually means.
so what the FUCK.
02:10
the equivalent of using the "Race Card" I suppose
precisely.
I'd say I couldn't tell you how much it pisses me off, but I reckon you're getting the idea.
ok, let me rephrase that since it seems like you both have completely misread it, which may or may not be my fault.
It's even worse when you're deemed a "homophobic" for displaying such basic bloody logic.
obviously no business should be forced to serve anyone; but they should be forced to not not serve them on the grounds of their sexuality.
@DeadMG I'm not raging at you in particular, to be clear
02:11
well, for me, it's hypocritical that gay couples should not have equal rights to marry in a church.
there was a thing, which I'm sure you heard, about a B&B who didn't want gays in their beds. and courts ensued, etc. genuinely still don't know how I feel about that. either way.
the institution wants to claim that it denies them freedom of religious expression; but what happened to a gay couple's religious expression?
what's a b&b?
are you officially not Christian enough to marry in a church if you are gay?
does the institution define what is and is not Christian?
bed bath and beyond has 3 Bs
is it that?
02:12
@Rapptz bed and breakfast- you'd think of it as a motel, give or take.
@DeadMG I don't see why. I really don't. Churches are places of a particular religion. That religion does not support homosexuality. Not only" why the fuck get married there then?" but also "why is it your right to walk into someone's house, override their viewpoint, and force them to induct you into their society against the entire premise of that society"?
@DeadMG Oh
Getting married in a Christian church is not a human right
Pro Tip: Putting "URGENT" in your title is the same as urgently asking people to downvote, close, and delete your question. — Mysticial 19 secs ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Who defines what a particular religion is?
what interpretation is applied?
02:13
This question appears to be off-topic because it is too damn urgent — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
@DeadMG the people who practice it and run the premises
^^ I like that!
not some fucking loser who wants to be involved despite having nothing in common with them whatsoever
and wants to play the sexuality card to make a point
@DeadMG gays are against what the bible says
@Mysticial that was fast!
saves me a quote
02:14
amusing that he needs super urgent help with such a basic task
@DeadMG For the record, I understand that you're not allowed to deny anyone based on race, gender, sexuality, etc. This has been a law in the US for a while now. However, if said person is denied they shouldn't assume or think that it's due to their race, gender, or sexuality. Unfortunately a lot of people still think so.
I am channelling our dearly departed H2CO3. I guess.
@Rapptz I'm not gonna deny that there are always gonna be some who are gonna reach for [insert minority here] card in every situation.
@Rapptz The entire concept is flawed.
but the flipside of that coin is that the card exists for a reason, if you get my drift.
02:15
"Oh, you won't let me join this club because I'm white?" Yes, it's the Afro-Caribbean society.
@DeadMG we are all part of some kind of minority
"Oh, you won't let me join this club because I have spent three years protesting against tea?" Yes, it's the tea-lovers' society.
"Oh, you won't let me join this club because I am a fish?" Yes, we require that you can speak English.
Suddenly sexuality is supposed to be oh-so-important, such that it overrides every other concern ever.
Like, ok, you're gay. Fine. Get over it. It has nothing to do with these other things. Go live your life and stop trying to take over every community ever.,
Are you implying I should be able to apply for scholarships for women?
It is not about your sexuality until you make it that way.
@JuJoDi Doesn't hurt to try bud.
02:16
Hahah
I disagree
well, it pretty much is if the other guy says you can't do that because of your sexuality.
You have three 'f's in your name so you can shut up
if you're a gay couple who wants to get married in a church, you didn't bring it up.
but
@DeadMG Agreed, but it happens a fuckton less than people make out
02:17
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I agree.
Media
@DeadMG That is a baseless argument
I mean
It's illegal to ask for your sexuality or religion here (for employment)
and gender is optional
If I am a C++ developer who wants to be invited to a conference of Java experts, am I going to start pissing on everybody because I was rejected?
Seriously, just, fucking, no
02:18
DeadMG's still pretty much spot on in reality though
I think you already made about five similar analogies.
You don't go to a group of people with X values, when you have mutually incompatible Y values, and take them to court because they won't let you play with them
@DeadMG I guess I'll keep making them until you get it. But thanks for acknowledging that I have maintained the integrity of the analogy ;)
I liked the C++ one
02:19
well, I haven't finished composing my response, so I figure it's hard for you to suggest that I don't get it :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sounds like you are repeating the concept to convince yourself.
I figure
equality is one thing; bullying is another. most of this gay/black/name-some-other-not-actual-minority-but-lets-pretend PC bullshit is attention-seeking bullying.
That's absolutely false
02:20
yes, there is genuine prejudice and prejudicial attacks. those are bad.
but honestly it is SO misrepresented as to be offensive
@JuJoDi What is? And why?
That the majority of it is bullying
@JuJoDi Quote anyone who said that. I dare you.
"most of this gay/black/name-some-other-not-actual-minority-but-lets-pretend PC bullshit is attention-seeking bullying."
I'm afraid you seem to not understand words. too bad
that religion is a personal deal; and that nobody else can tell you that you're not Christian just because some other people had a vote.
IYAM that's kinda what freedom of religious expression involves.
02:22
So-called minorities claim to be under some illusion that they are (a) actually a minority (despite spending half the time demonstrating that they are not at all a minority); (b) bullied beyond recognition (personal attacks do of course exist, but societally? no, not really); (c) more deserving of rights than everyone else
You don't go to a group of people who understands words, and take them to court because they don't accept you because you don't understand words
See I'm getting it
and I think that if we should start institutionally defining Christianity, then we should just get on with it and have a law defining what Christianity is and have a legal Christianness test administered by judges.
@JuJoDi lol
@DeadMG wtf
@DeadMG beyond that, it's what freedom of everything involves. Yet that's not good enough for today's western world. That's the hypocrisy.
@JuJoDi what?
02:23
@DeadMG you are crazy
Does Christmas fall strictly under the christianity umbrella?
you're black? groovy. a woman? cool! gay? power to you, son. go do your thing. woah, wait... you want BBC Radio 1 Extra for "black music"? You want to infiltrate a religious organisation and force them to abandon their doctrines for your beliefs, by changing laws in your personal favour? You want insurance companies to put statistics aside and pay more money for .... some semblance of "equality"??? no, die
@JuJoDi historically maybe
What power are you even talking about?
Don't understand words? Awesome.
Have opinions about religions? Let's hear em.
02:25
it's an English expression
you've never heard "more power to you"?
tbh I thought it was a well known idiom
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ah, that shit really pisses me off.
if the statistics prove that they're not fucking equal, then they're clearly not equal.
@Rapptz It is. To those with normal quantities of consonants in their names
I mean, that's beyond any kind of moral personal judgement into a scientific fact.
NO @DeadMG YOU DON'T GET TO JOIN THE OTHER SIDE NOW STAY OVER ON THE SIDE THAT BELIEVES IT'S MORE THAN BULLYING
@DeadMG allergic to generalisations, people are. it completely eludes those idiots, who spend 18 hours a day bitching about the unfairness of generalisations that their suggestions are to make things based on stronger generalisations
02:27
@Rapptz I wasn't replying to his "power to you son" thinghy. He claims that being gay give you more rights or makes you more socially powerful somehow. They are trying to make a mess to estabilish that they are just like any other people. It's their decade. Let it be. Who cares?
"I don't like that you took the fact that 60% of insurance payouts came from X group of people! Not all those X group of people were responsible! You should make it equal! All groups of people ever should be responsible for it now!"
morons
@Jefffrey No he isn't. He's saying rhetorically some people act like it does.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, when it comes to the insurance thing, I'm totally on your side (even though, IIRC, we're the ones paying less under the new system).
it's probably the worst message I've written this week
@DeadMG there are insurance companies that accept only women, and charge less accordingly
is what I was referring to
though I think there were legal issues with that lately
02:29
ah, I thought that all companies were now required to charge men and women the same rate.
granted, a backwards example, but the exact same argument applies - see, I'm not biased!
@DeadMG inb4 ;)
at least, I remember hearing about such, dunno if it went through
Anyway while the concept of not caring about sexuality, religion, or race seems good in my head and probably most people's head, it isn't exactly like that in reality. Many institutions have things that are exclusive to some groups of people (e.g. women scholarships, specific insurance, worker's groups, etc etc) and that's annoying. If we're striving for actual equality we shouldn't be giving crutches to groups of people just because of their race, gender, sexuality, etc.
@Jefffrey "It's their decade. Let it be. Who cares?"
Are you serious?
The entire concept of giving crutches to groups of people reminds me of so called "white guilt" that goes on around here
02:30
er, giving clutches?
"It's their decade", because of their sexuality? Really? What about mine?
@DeadMG Yes.
I'm guessing that refers to crutches or something, but I'm not familiar with that expression.
@Rapptz crutches maybe
lol typo
I read it as crutches too
T_T
02:30
@LightnessRacesinOrbit your sexuality is boring
lol PRIVILEGE
@Jefffrey that's not what she said
theirs is full of rainbows
@DeadMG I'm talking about things like Affirmative Action and what not.
I have no idea what that is.
affirmative for some people maybe
easy to forget there's a bunch of people it's not affirmative for
02:31
or is that the positive bias stuff, like "Must recruit X% black people"?
@DeadMG Yeah that's what it has dwindled to.
can you imagine a state-run radio station advertising "white music"? can you?
lol
@DeadMG oh the targets. OH THE TARGETS
the most racist thing our societies have today. and it's done in the name of equality. LOL
people are so stupid.
it really all comes down to that
essentially yeah
02:33
it's one thing to say that recruitment should be roughly proportional, and it's another to say that it must be roughly proportional right now even though we haven't fixed the fact that acquiring the relevant pre-requisites is not roughly proportional.
sorry, you can't have this job, because you're not black/white/jewish/woman/man/gay/straight enough.
it applies to schools and scholarships as well.
someone else, with more/less/fewer/greater/redder/greener qualifications matches the ethnography a bit better
they're more willing to accept minorities than white people
the intent is good. the intent is to prevent bias in the other direction. but, seriously. what.
02:34
IMO
you can't address imbalances like that by simply hiring/whatever more black/whatever people.
it's like spending a week removing all utterances of dynamic_cast<T*> from your code, only to replace it with void*
you have to address the core reasons why they're not getting hired normally.
But doesn't it just imply that the people who make the decision about whether or not to admit any person is a racist and that they're not really addressing the root of the problem?
instead of, y'know, virtual dispatch
But seriously, everybody always tries to play with the best cards they have. Are you a woman? Gay? Black? or whatever? You get to live in the perfect century where you finally can get to be considered better than anyone else because "we are sorry about the brutalities our grandparents did to your 'kind'".
02:35
@JuJoDi "not really addressing the root of the problem" is precisely correct, yes. It's an accidentally offensively hypocritical "band-aid"
@Jefffrey do you seriously consider this "okay"?
no, but I couldn't care less
this is exactly the same thing as that "white guilt" thing I was talking about
@Jefffrey First of all, my grandparents didn't do fucking anything bad to anyone. They were war heroes who saved thousands of people. So fuck you. Secondly, even if they were dicks and killed folk, I certainly did not.
A grandfather clause is a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations, while a new rule will apply to all future cases. Those exempt from the new rule are said to have grandfather rights or acquired rights. Frequently, the exemption is limited; it may extend for a set period of time, or it may be lost under certain circumstances. For example, a "grandfathered power plant" might be exempt from new, more restrictive pollution laws, but the exception may be revoked and the new rules would apply if the plant were expanded. Often, such a provision is used a...
02:37
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how are your nerves?
Room topic changed to Lounge<WhitesOnly>
@JuJoDi What?
BTW who even are you?
Grand parents, grand grand parents, grand grand grand parents it's irrelevant.
damn that dumb wiki article
@Jefffrey First sensible thing you said all night
room topic changed to Lounge<Minorities>: If you're white, straight, or employed, go away. [facts] [facts] [facts] [facts]
02:38
careful there, don't wanna go on meta
I'm saying sensible things all night. It's just that you are not listening.
eh let them cry on Meta
@DeadMG I would star that but...
I can see it now: "Lounge<C++> is being racist!"
I came to the conclusion several years ago that people in general are too damn stupid for this argument to ever end (read: for people in general to ever realise the truth)
What was the percentage of stack users this year that were employed?
dunno
oh by the way
02:39
@JuJoDi What is this "stack" of which you speak, newbie?
did you see that the DWP contractor for work assessments ragequit the contract?
I have to be assessed for fitness or they'll keep paying me half sickness rate forever :(
yeah
now there's no provider of the assessment I need.
02:40
that was a long time coming
I agree.
The government stressed that Atos was "removed' from the contract, rather than the firm choosing to "walk away".
#ragebanned then, more like
Atos were trying to get out of it for a long time now though
yes, okay, I know that they we-
that
welp
I just want to be not sick again.
"The question we have to ask is how many disabled people have jobs? Nine in 10 disabled people work or have worked, yet only about 50% of disabled people have a job right now.
Is it just me who thinks that number is fucking fantastic?
work or have worked?
50% of disabled people seems pretty good
Hard to employ quadriplegics
presumably, many people who were disabled had jobs before something happened to them and they became disabled.
02:42
Oh, what, I'm discriminating?
hell, even I worked briefly
Fucking society
lol
@DeadMG heh :) Stats, eh?
just define the catchment net broad enough and no doubt you'll catch 90% of the people.
personally, it's not that I'd mind working at all
the benefit I get is hardly anything anyway compared to working
02:44
In other news, McDonalds receipt tatooed on arm. Suddenly our problems seem.. inconsequential
well, maybe not yours.
I was gonna say
user1804599
@Rapptz Sometimes slapping someone just makes you happy!
my problems will feel inconsequential when I can sleep again
and eat.
compared to not being able to eat, I'm sure that being broke, uneducated (lol), and unemployed will feel like a walk in the park.
gotta admit, I'm starting to question whether I'll ever get better.
Can I ask what your symptoms are?
Please, at 231k, you should know better than to answer blatant dupes. It's not as if you need the rep. — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
02:49
ah, don't bother.
everybody loves to play armchair doctor but I've seen several real doctors and had many real tests, all of which have come back with absolutely nothing.
I don't want to play doctor
Asking for symptoms doesn't imply I want to diagnose
Also, "stomach".
fair enough.
pretty much that.
if I eat things, then horrible stomach pain/nausea/etc.
02:51
It implies I want to know what it is that everyone is referencing about you
and as you can imagine, "Don't eat" is a problematic remedy.
one that I've already taken as far as it will go.
For how long has that been happening?
three years at least
@DeadMG You're the antithesis to @Jefffrey, in a sense, with his record-breaking 112 hours sans-shit
my mother said that I said something about it longer ago; but I don't recall.
eh
I've gone longer than 112 hours.
hell, I think that my record is like, two weeks or something.
02:53
....
well, that explains why you're always full of shit
you don't need to shit if you don't eat.
shitting is something only people who consume food get to do
which clearly excludes me.
DeadMG is the result of the internet becoming conscious.
certainly smart enough to be
anyway it's finally late enough for me to attempt sleep so wish me luck
02:58
@DeadMG that's not a good thing
@DeadMG lower part of the stomach, almost near the bladder?
Obviously didn't read the doctor comments
I don't think I like @JuJoDi very much.
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A: Creating an ordered linked list of a class object

Lightness Races in Orbitstd::list<Character> CharacterList; http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/list

can you tell that my patience has waned?
03:03
nice rep whoring
why do you even answer though?
@Jefffrey i really don't know
@Rapptz thanks
Stack Overflow is not for "guiding" or "mentoring". It is for concrete questions about programming languages. For learning the basics of the language, please study your C++ book in detail and consult the documentation. Thank you. — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
feels good
I wonder who downvoted. :P
TIL ubuntu.SE has its own toolbar #integration #goaway #discrimination #nonstandard #sellouts
@MarkGarcia gee!
"it works bad" Really? — Lightness Races in Orbit 11 secs ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit SE's cash cow.
03:09
Ask Ubuntu is a special butterfly
@MarkGarcia guess you can't pray away the apple
there's a meta question about it
apple?
linux.
whatever.
linux
how do you not know what Ubuntu is :v
wasn't a question
it was a "how did I get that wrong" comment
03:10
oic
speaks volumes, though. I hold Ubuntu and Apple in similar esteem
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Damn it actually looks decent
yknow what it kinda does :/
the SE bar isn't even black
it's purple-ish
@Rapptz the SE bar is
03:11
look again!
they really are special! all other SE sites are clamouring for such treatment
DISCRIMINATION!
lol that really goes against their whole "consistent design" philosophy they were yelling about earlier
good going thumbs up
get on meta and fuck them in the ass
show them
they didn't have to change the color of the accepted tick FFS
everybody forgot, not me
that fucking green is somehow worse than coliru's one..
I have user scripts for bolding the votes
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Q: Inconsistent C++ <random> behavior between different computers

AlethesI've implemented a C++ solution for testing various strategies in reaction to the series of random events. I'm aggregating results from multi-threaded simulations running on a couple of computers. A single simulation yields one integer outcome and typically requires generating around 100 unifor...

03:15
be jealous
I appreciate that this has merit, but the title on its own is kinda funny
Maybe tell meta ubutu.SE's different color is a bug. They'll eventually say they're something special.
@Jefffrey \o/
@MarkGarcia it 404s anyway
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The question is crappy though.
@Rapptz well, yeah. it's stack overflow...
huh just saw a crazy SO popup at the top left of the viewport. missed it through clicking off too fast. could have been a CSS anomaly from hovering over a tag, or a secret message from SE offering me a £1m pcm job. Shit.
03:19
WTF
noooooooo
I mean, they could have sent them to the devs. Being paranoid.
at least they could not be read
so there's that
night, kids
03:22
Good night.
03:47
If you're white, straight, or employed, go away. Damn, I wish I was bi.
user3010322
04:05
Lol
user3010322
XAudio2 can only handle 64 buffers max.
user3010322
Welp. Guess I have to offshore some audio buffers. Hoo fuckin' rah. ._.
04:49
Seeing how no one is active at this time and comparing that to global time differences, it seems almost everyone here is from Europe.
user3010322
Liar liar plants for hire.
I'm guessing it will become active again in 2 hours, when People from Germany begin waking up.
People from the UK will start in about 4 hours.
@ThePhD You're not from Europe?
user3010322
Assuming they get up that early on a Saturday.
user3010322
@ApprenticeHacker Nein.
@ApprenticeHacker yes
@ApprenticeHacker Germany and Poland
04:52
@MooingDuck Poland, right. I forgot about the cat.
@ApprenticeHacker Quite a few, though a few of us are in the US and Canada.
05:34
The K&R Book is so strange. I read it about 4 years ago and thought I had understood it completely because it was so short and simple. Now that I'm re-reading it, I see I didn't get like 90% of the content. I thought I had understood it, but I actually didn't.
@ApprenticeHacker It's short, but fairly dense.
Okay, so let's get this straight. In C, all uninitialized variables are usually assigned garbage values with the exception of external and static variables, which are initialized to zero.
But why not initialize all variables to zero? Why only external and static ones?
or, if there is something wrong with initializing to zero, why not give all variables garbage values? Why make an exception for external and static ones?
I'm not ranting or anything. I just want to know the possible reasoning that lead to the developers of C reaching this decision.
"external variables"?
You mean "global"?
@ApprenticeHacker Legacy.
05:52
@Rapptz yes. K&R terms them as 'external' variables.
lol
@ApprenticeHacker Initializing all local variables could have slowed execution. When C was new, it was designed for computers that cost tens of thousands of dollars--but still only ran at around 10-15 MHz.
@JerryCoffin I see.
Also, why is the rule is different for arrays? If say, I have something like an int my_array[10] and I initialize only like the first 7 elements, the last three will be initialized to zero for external, static and automatic (i.e usual) variables.
Perhaps the rule for arrays is different to facilitate string handling? Since strings are null-terminated?
@ApprenticeHacker IIRC, C didn't originally do this. I believe it was added later.
it also only applies to stack arrays
dynamic arrays are uninitialised

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