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11:00 PM
oh, never mind
not even append or insert take two input iterators.
also the casing is inconsistent
 
There's fromStdVector instead of a constructor too.
It's awkward.
I have no idea how vital their containers are in the rest of the API.
 
I don't use them much for GUIs
usually standard containers work fine lol
 
this new top bar is racist
 
QString is the only one I've really used.
 
But it gives a feeling of being unpolished, since they do have basic support for iterators.
 
11:03 PM
@Rapptz both map and vectors were constructible from iterators in 98. Am I missing something?
 
yes
we are talking about Qt.
 
@ThePhD Hmm, I was sure I had a scrubbed version laying around, but I can't find it. Gimme a sec to scrub one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes recall me asking if you knew what 'bows' are in relation to letters? Turns out is just cured parts.
 
It's just the one generated by SO careers.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Scrub" ?
 
11:04 PM
@ThePhD Take out my phone number and stuff.
 
user3010322
Ooh.
 
user3010322
Sure. :D
 
user3010322
Hey, would you mind if I sent you a scrubbed one too?
 
user3010322
I'm kind of editing mine right now, since before it was research-oriented.
 
user3010322
Now that I'm applying for real jobs in software dev, I have to change the order of the categories and everything...
 
11:06 PM
what are you writing your resume in?
 
@Rapptz binary
 
Oh wait, found it.
It's on my public Dropbox folder.
That means I don't have to copy it there. How convenient.
 
lol still has the 0
 
haha, yeah, it's the same one.
 
user3010322
Wow
 
user3010322
11:08 PM
It's way more creative than mine. =/
 
user3010322
Mine's so much more simple and info-stuffed. x_X
 
Yes, that's a goddamn wall of text on the first page.
 
user3010322
I should probably use a smaller font too...
 
.. are you writing yours in word or something?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like it. :D
 
user3010322
11:09 PM
@Rapptz Yes. I will not be a LaTeX fag. :P
 
user1804599
A bullshit in computer science? Nice!
 
@ThePhD Disgusting.
 
@ThePhD Latex is superior.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz <3
 
Ell
Latex is superior output
But ease of use is orders of magnitude less
 
user3010322
11:10 PM
I wrote my entire calculator report in LaTeX.
 
@Ell What does that mean?
 
user3010322
Bump that noise.
 
user3010322
Most inconvenient text language ever. :c
 
only if you're a noob
 
@ThePhD apposed to what?
 
11:10 PM
Hmm, I remembered something.
 
which it seems you are
 
user3010322
@Polymer Just using Word
 
Ell
@robot sorry I'm mobile I don't know which message. I think word is significantly easier to use than word
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Like a pro. :c
 
@Ell Your use of magnitudes disturbs me.
 
11:11 PM
@ThePhD Word isn't a text language :p
 
@sehe I don't get it.
 
user3010322
@Polymer Precisely: word is a WSIWYG text processor.
 
@ThePhD Word isn't comparable and the output looks uglier.
 
user3010322
As it should be.
 
TeX wasn't designed with WSIWYG in mind
 
user3010322
11:12 PM
I know it wasn't. And it's unwieldy.
 
it isn't
 
@ThePhD lyx.org for what it's worth.
 
user1804599
My CV is pretty empty.
 
@ThePhD Get a good template and you'd be dandier than Blackadder.
 
@sehe Sorry, I understand now, why I don't get it... Wasn't my question, another MM...
 
user1804599
11:13 PM
Fucking Careers piece of fucking cuntsucking dogshit.
 
@Ell I meant what do you mean by "Latex is superior output"?
 
clearly CVs should be wrote in HTML5 and CSS3 with JS to make it sparkle
 
I hear that all the time, but have no idea what it refers to.
 
user1804599
> Will you relocate?
rightfold: *enters “Flanders”*
AI: *oh hey rightfold you’re dumb you probably meant Flanders, NJ, United States*
 
@Rapptz Hmm, what's ugly about it?
 
Ell
11:15 PM
I mean the final document that latex outputs is much more aesthetically pleasing than one word would.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You need to just look at latex print outs. Although the real advantage isn't so much that latex is pretty, rather it's easier to configure the document for publication specifications. It's possible to make a butt ugly latex outputs.
 
Ell
but having said that you could spend a lot of time making a word document look like a latex one
 
@Polymer No, I don't need to "just". I see no fucking difference. (Your last sentence, exactly)
 
Ell
better paragraph layout, nice fonts,nnice page numbers/titles
 
11:16 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes LaTeX follows typography standards. Word doesn't. :s
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well then my later point is more relevant :p. But you're wrong, latex looks better.
 
Am I missing something, isn't LaTeX more or less just a very fancy version of something like markdown?
 
Ell
I just think they look more professional
 
@Ell What should I look for in paragraph layouts?
 
@thecoshman It's a mark up language for a type-setting engine.
 
11:17 PM
(Also fonts, what; Word supports page numbers since ever vOv)
 
@Polymer so, yes
 
user1804599
I’d use reStructuredText for my CV and not render it.
 
66
Q: Why should I use LaTeX?

LazerI have heard a lot about LaTeX, but never used it myself. It is mainly used for typesetting professional research papers. But I am not writing research papers. Is LaTeX for me? If yes, why should I be shifting from OpenOffice to LaTeX? What does LaTeX offer to the normal user who uses word proc...

 
@MikeM I was wondering whether you were the same user as MM on the [spirit-general] list (where I got the question from).
@MikeM Ah. Not so many M-M's interested in Spirit :)
 
Ell
@robot to be honest I can't say, I just think they look better, I can't pinpoint why
 
11:18 PM
@thecoshman sure :p
 
Ell
its just opinion I guess
 
@sehe But I have a new question as well ;-)
 
@Ell It's because LaTeX follows typography de-facto standards, Word doesn't.
 
@MikeM It's two questions... It even says so in the title
 
Everything from the margins to the paragraph indentation is set up automatically for those standards.
 
11:19 PM
@sehe Well, I can handle both things separately, I only cannot combine them, so one question...
 
second point of confusion, don't PDFs encode the look into the document, such that you do not have to worry about someone 'rendering' it with something derpy and making it look but ugly.
 
@Rapptz That's not Latex, that's the document classes.
 
@Rapptz Well you can change those settings conveniently. Journals do that all the time.
 
Word has templates.
 
and macros
 
11:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes -- and you can change them and all of them meet different standards based on it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It would be way harder to change a document you wrote in word to conform to a publishers specifications.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Word templates are really bad. :s
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which has been brilliantly discarded from 2001 and forward.
 
@Polymer But that's irrelevant for "looking good".
@CaptainGiraffe I don't know where that bullshit came from.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes and no, publishers generally know how to make things look good.
 
user1804599
11:21 PM
It only looks good if I can less it and have it still be readable.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Harder and harder to get access to.
 
But if looking good was really what you wanted, then there's probably an adobe product you would use instead.
 
It's funny, I had my final year project properly bound, I sent them a PDF and they sent me a book exactly formated like my PDF! It's a christmas miracle that it didn't take some crap like LaTeX to do that.
 
@Polymer I'd use InDesign if I needed anything serious. But I might be biased.
@thecoshman Just shut up. That has nothing to do with anything (PDF is the most common output format of LaTeX...)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I fail to see why they are advocating LaTeX here though, what is it bringing to the table?
 
11:23 PM
It's easier to produce better PDFs with LaTeX.
 
user1804599
> table
 
@thecoshman You can just read above...
 
user1804599
lul
 
Also I like math.
But I'm trying not to use math to help my point.
 
@Rapptz Only if you're a noob :P
 
11:24 PM
@thecoshman The macros are easier, it automatically generates sections for you, automatically generates a table of contents and list of figures/tables for you too. Not only that but if down the road you decided to move a numbered section up from the last place it was, nothing would break because it was automatically fixed for you.
Not to mention that the mathematical typesetting is pretty and neat.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have been, I still don't see why LaTeX is better than Word. Both can be used to produce PDFs, and PDFs preserve the rendered output. Except with word, I can see it as I work init, which with LaTeX, I can't (can I?)
 
@Rapptz Nothing breaks like that in Word either.
Only if you're a noob.
 
@Rapptz ... like in Word?
@Rapptz again, MS Word
 
I haven't used Word since 2003, so I wouldn't know.
 
@thecoshman Just build it?
 
11:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree with this point, cross referencing has improved significantly in word.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why build it when I can work in it? Still, what is LaTeX doing for me?
 
Ell
Index, bibliography
 
I agree with you that Word makes it easier to fuck up because it requires discipline to do things right.
But that's it.
 
Ell
semantic markup
 
@MikeM I'll have a look tomorrow
 
11:26 PM
@Ell LaTeX?
 
66
Q: Why should I use LaTeX?

LazerI have heard a lot about LaTeX, but never used it myself. It is mainly used for typesetting professional research papers. But I am not writing research papers. Is LaTeX for me? If yes, why should I be shifting from OpenOffice to LaTeX? What does LaTeX offer to the normal user who uses word proc...

^^^
 
Ell
Yeah
 
@thecoshman What is HTML doing for web pages :p
 
@Rapptz even word 2000 was able to do tables. And fairly sure it was able to do decent maths stuff.
 
@sehe Thank you very much.
 
11:26 PM
I didn't mention creation of tables.
 
@thecoshman Math stuff in word is a joke in contrast to LaTex.
 
Ell
To be fair, tables in latex are a mess :3
 
@thecoshman No, it wasn't.
And isn't.
If there's one point where LaTeX is undeniably better it is mathematics.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes (of contents)
 
@thecoshman I mean about mathematics.
 
11:27 PM
I've never automatically generated a ToC from Word. I don't know how tbh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, well, my 'maths' in word has only been trivial stuff, so it was able to cater for that
 
all I have to do is put \tableofcontents in my document and it puts it for me
don't know how to do it with word though
 
but from the look of the latest maths editor thing, word seems very capable now.
 
@Rapptz 2003 was the last version I used seriously, because in 2007 they moved to the ribbon and it got too frustrating to find all the advanced stuff I was used to.
 
11:28 PM
Table layout looks minging
Not sure how it could be done better, though :/
 
@Rapptz how do control what level of headings you want, how to present the table?
 
@MikeM I was busy writing the icing on the cake there:
0
A: AST and operator precedence in rule definition

seheFrom my first answer: Rule #1: keep rules simple, avoid semantic actions Corollary #1: make your AST directly reflect the grammar. In this case, you were conflating AST transformation with parsing. If you want to transform the AST to 'expand' lte (a,b) <- (lt(a,b) |...

 
@thecoshman \caption
 
@thecoshman The same way you do in Word (you don't do that the dumb way, do you?). You pick a document class ("template" in Word lingo).
 
> see your dentist twice a year
The most important bit ^^
 
11:30 PM
@Rapptz I have. Provided you've structured your document halfway decently, it takes about 10 seconds (maybe as much as a minute if you have a specific style in mind, and need to change a lot of its default choices).
 
@sehe Yes, I've seen that, that's why I responded.. It wasn't meant ironically, I'm always happy to get some input, take your time.
 
@Ell They were annoying when I first started out but with editors being better and nicer packages I don't find tables annoying anymore.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit good lord man! You keep popping out these little phrases I never here any more
 
@MikeM That's... pretty swift. I posted the second answer moments ago :/
 
@sehe Ok, I've seen only the first answer up to now...
 
11:31 PM
@JerryCoffin Sounds kind of annoying.
 
:D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv never really dabbled with templates, when I wanted a ToC, I just added it. Then if I wanted to, changed what level of heading the ToC should index, how it layout etc.
 
@Rapptz He's just not using a template ;)
 
@thecoshman Yes, you do it wrong :P
 
@thecoshman Too manual :s
You just have to do \setcounter{tocdepth}{n} to modify the headings
 
11:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure, I could use a template with the ToC already there... but I may decided that for this document, I want only H1 and H2, another I might want down to H6
 
Night
Also to all :)
 
Good night
 
@thecoshman Wait... you use H1 and H2 to choose different styles
 
@Polymer What?
No.
 
@Polymer no... I use H1 and H2 for when I want different sections...
 
user3010322
11:34 PM
I suppose one day I should rewrite my resume in LaTeX.
 
Anyway, I like LaTeX and don't find it annoying. I don't have to go out of my way to make my document look pretty often.
 
@thecoshman sorry >_>, misread.
 
Only if I have an arcane requirement.
 
user3010322
We'll see how Robot and Etienne react to it, and then I'll change it.
 
Though yes, I almost always would have H1 and H2 styled differently
 
user3010322
11:35 PM
What's a good URL shortening service?
 
@ThePhD not linking?
 
Also at least with LaTeX I don't have to worry about the Word UI fucking my workflow up.
(e.g. Word 2003 to 2007)
 
user3010322
Well I need the link to stay up, obviously
 
@Rapptz canny argue that :P
 
user3010322
Just need a shortened verison.
 
11:35 PM
@Rapptz I like mark up languages too.
 
tinyurl.com
 
sure, mark up is nice at times, but I like WYSIWYG too
 
@Rapptz FWIW, I like LaTeX too, but there are lots of FUD being thrown around about Word (and I mean just Word not word processors in general; that OpenOffice thingy is crap).
 
user1804599
Is there any advantage of using Unix domain sockets over TCP sockets for IPC?
 
user3010322
tinyurl sounds like the best.
 
user3010322
11:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes OpenOffice is Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're right, libreOffice is way cooler.
 
@thecoshman Sorry to hear that!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like what? I still think LaTeX documents look prettier ftr.
 
Ell
11:38 PM
I wish I knew latex better. Like vim, I have to look up commands each time
 
I haven't tried it since the fork, but if it's anything like the Hudson/Jenkins fork, it sucks.
 
@rightfold Haven't tested recently, but in the old days they were quite a bit faster. At a guess, probably about same speed now, but perhaps with less CPU load.
 
@ThePhD yeah
@Ell Well, just use it more :P
 
@Rapptz raw or rendered?
 
rendered..
 
11:40 PM
WTF kind of question was that.
 
Ell
I was writing a game design document in it
 
user1804599
Currently using Redis for IPC but it’s terrible.
 
Ell
And it was fine until the tables
 
Ell
The borders printed off the end of the paper and all sorts :/
 
11:40 PM
@Rapptz Well, most things about the structure vs. appearance thing. When I used Word I used the same mental model as when I used LaTeX.
 
I wrote my GDD in LaTeX.
 
user3010322
GDD ?
 
tables weren't much of an issue.
game design document
 
user3010322
Ooh.
 
well, if any of you ever need a fast non-thread-safe constant-size object allocator, here you go: gist.github.com/nightcracker/c952bbce7d7217f798b0
 
11:41 PM
@Rapptz so what does LaTeX let you do that makes it look nicer? I can blindly accept it is easier to say what you want in LaTeX, but how can it just look better? Not trying to be arsy here, genuinely do not understand. It sounds akin to saying markdown renders nicer pages than html.
 
btw Kerbal Space Battles because I think I forgot interplanetary.weebly.com
 
user3010322
 
(I hear Word now finally supports ligatures too! but ribbon)
 
user1804599
That drawing thing in Google Drive is cool, by the way.
 
@ThePhD yes
 
11:42 PM
@thecoshman It's p good at typography and text layout and all that jazz
 
@thecoshman Latex does this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typesetting
 
I still can't be bothered
 
@Polymer I'm pretty sure that won't help.
 
user3010322
I think, for fucks
 
(The understanding, I mean)
 
user3010322
11:43 PM
I'm going to link one of my first Game Design Documents
 
user3010322
in my resume
 
@CatPlusPlus got a key to give me?
 
@Ell What was annoying about tables btw? I'm assuming they were "basic" tables.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bingo
 
11:46 PM
Everything is annoying about LaTeX tables
 
Man.
 
Ell
I can't remember, I just re,ember it being a pain. I know that sounds silly
 
user3010322
Fuck yes, the PDF copy works xD
 
Ell
It was getting text not to overflow or something
 
I guess I'm the only one who isn't annoyed by them, legitimately.
 
11:46 PM
That there exist LaTeX table generators is a testament to that
Also my Internet connection is really slow all of a sudden
 
Ell
and the getting the table to be the right size
 
@thecoshman The missing half of the equation is manipulating fonts. At the end of the day, if you want to control the proportion of black on white text, you need a system for interfacing with what your characters actually look like.
 
Ell
And making the text align in the cells
 
@Ell wot
 
@Polymer Who the fuck does that.
 
11:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Latex does that :p, but that is the kind of problem Tex was built to solve.
 
Ell
I'm not sure, I was about to go back to the document yesterday actually
 
Good luck with tables that don't fit on the page, because LaTeX won't help you at all with sizing them
 
Does what?
You said you wanted to control something.
Giving control to something else does not equate to that.
 
@Polymer ... you mean choose a font?
 
@CatPlusPlus depends on how it doesn't fit.
 
11:49 PM
@thecoshman Fonts are complicated, you can do more then just choose them.
I'm explaining myself poorly.
 
@Polymer if you are witting a document that does not stick to one font for it's main content (so excluding captions, code samples, equations etc) FUCK YOU
 
if you have a bunch of columns.. well..
that's more difficult than say, text wrapping.
 
Latex can literally tell you how dense the black is on white in a given region
 
@Polymer criminal statistic?
 
It's an aesthetic compiler error
 
11:50 PM
hurr
(k that was kinda racist)
 
@Polymer why the hell would I want that?
 
When I die, I want giant Xs on my eyes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dude, that happens any way x_x
 
In this world, one thing counts,
on the disk, large amounts.
Files like these don't grow on trees,
download a torrent or two, boys,
you gotta load a torrent or two.
 
@MartinJames is... is this spam?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Genre à partir de Jan/Fév et pour 6 mois
 
Ell
just stumbled on my old pokedex
 
Also good morning!
 
@user7236293 night
 
user3010322
@Rapptz This go anywhere: NOPE wrong way. =[
 
user3010322
11:57 PM
 
wth is Ondayo.
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Close it, that was the wrong link. xD
 
is this an old GDD of yours?
 
user3010322
Very old.
 
GDD?
 
user3010322
11:58 PM
Game Design Document.
 
user3010322
It was from the team where my artists were lazy cocks and my writer was an even lazier cock.
 
@ThePhD yeah that works
 
user3010322
Even though I was the programmer, I ended up doing all the work.
 
no one's name here is weird
 
user3010322
Including a lot of the photoshopping's drawing. <_>
 
11:59 PM
conclusion: your name isn't weird
 
user3010322
@Rapptz So you think!
 

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