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8:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Let's just say that the move wasn't popular internally either.
 
Dumb execs, gotcha
 
But all it takes it one high ranking exec to do it and for the CEO to not veto.
 
@Jefffrey I'm actually laughing my ass off here :D
 
@Mysticial Oh, so it's suit-driven development again.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I'm surprised it didn't go downvoted to hell. That's what I was expecting :/
 
Ell
8:01 PM
@Jefffrey me too xD
 
@Mysticial I don't like the new bar.
 
@FredOverflow I've gotten used to it already on meta.
 
I don't mind the new bar
Its in my favorite color, black
 
@TonyTheLion Like the colour of your soul.
(ITT Tony is 14)
 
8:03 PM
I think I'll open a bar and name it "The Supercollider". Give all the drinks nuclear-sounding names. Invite all both my friends.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Dat logic
Likes black -> must be 14
 
Infaillible logic.
 
@TonyTheLion Obvious nonsense -- could be a precocious 13 year-old (or a retarded 15 year-old).
 
did the stackexchange bar at the top just go black?
 
Yes, and it's never going back!
 
8:05 PM
@melak47 You're late. :P
 
@melak47 hahahaha - you noticed at last:)
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
It's black, and it's too easy to see that I have 73 messages in my inbox.
 
Ell
I like black suites
 
8:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh may gawd :,)
 
@Ell suites?
 
Ell
suites. meh I can't spell :P
 
@Jefffrey p
 
Ell
clothing
jacket and shirt
 
lol
 
Ell
8:12 PM
suit!
I did a brainfart :S
 
s/did/am/
 
@Mysticial do you have a second account?
 
@bamboon That's my meta account.
 
@Mysticial oh ^^, so you have a second account to the flame out on meta?
 
Ugh, new black top bar is on SO now.
So ugly
 
8:17 PM
OK, I had a brainwave - why not obscure the bar o'doom with a long, thin Task Manager window? Bad news: it doesn't work because the TM has a minimum height and I can't shorten it enough:(
 
oh hello @Mysticial
 
I occasionally have brainwaves
 
@bamboon lol no. I only have one account on each site.
 
New BSOD: Black Stack Overflow of Doom
14
 
8:18 PM
@Mysticial Ah, was confused because your avatar is still the old one in chat
 
@bamboon Refresh
 
@Mysticial Done Sir ;)
 
@ScarletAmaranth hi
@bamboon yeah, it doesn't change until you reload.
 
ehh, I like the contrast really
 
> But pretty soon you'll grow to love the new bar's charms, like its separate icons for your inbox and recent reputation change, or the ability to easily navigate within the StackExchange network (because who only uses one SE site these days!?)
Me?
 
Xeo
8:22 PM
@MartinJames HO!
 
@Xeo PIMP!
 
Each "row" in the dropdowns is far too tall. The font is too large. The colours are all wrong. Fundamentally I support the principles behind the new bar, but it's not done yet.
 
Xeo
 
@Xeo Heh!
 
Has anybody done statistics on how often switching wins the Monty Hall thing?
 
8:25 PM
it's 2/3rds and we all know it.
 
In theory, but I want statistics.
 
@Pawnguy7 mythbusters have done it :p
 
er, it's not "in theory", it's a fact you can prove with a trivial truth table.
might as well do a statistical study on whether 1 + 1 = 2
 
I hate the Monty Hall problem. I really hate it.
 
@Jefffrey :lol:
They just won't admit that their search engines are terrible
 
8:27 PM
@DeadMG I don't know. On one hand it makes sense to me, but part of my brain is still stuck on the intuitive part. Statistics help make things more concrete.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why so?
 
Statistics help make things more concrete :D?
 
@Pawnguy7 Because it beats me.
 
@Pawnguy7 Use a truth table.
 
Here's the statistics for you: if you switch, you only lose when you choose the car at the beginning. Which have 1/3 chance of happening.
 
@Pawnguy7 Cement, gravel, sand and water are more effective.
 
8:28 PM
@Pawnguy7 If I told you a fair coin comes up heads half as often as tails, statistics isn't going to make the statement more or less true.
 
@Jefffrey Not given that you already didn't choose it, no.
I still think it's a fundamental paradox in the broken world of human-statistics, trying to assign stupid fractions to probabilities with various combinations of known and unknown factors. That's my story and I'm sticking with it...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wat
 
@Jefffrey Oh, "at the beginning" sorry
 
Added later, don't worry.
 
8:30 PM
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So when you come to a shop, you go like: Hello there, I'll want 75 / 150 a bread?
 
Nobody else likes statistics? :\
 
Dammit chat takes three clicks with the new top menu bar
 
@Pawnguy7 I like Probability, and I think Lightness's statement is silly.
 
@rubenvb One click on my bookmark bar, for my sins
@Polymer Glad you liked it!
 
8:31 PM
I mean, fundamentally, you just say how many times it happens out of all the possible outcomes, you then NATURALLY reduce the fraction or whatever the hell it's called in ENglish
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit haha, bookmark is way too dangerous.
 
@rubenvb It's two...
 
How about experimental probability?
 
@rubenvb To be honest the tab is just always open nowadays anyway
 
@rubenvb that's ^Tch enter (or ^Lch if I want it in the current tab)
 
8:32 PM
@rubenvb Nope, okay, three
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit click stackexchange, click chat, click favorited lounge<c++>
 
@rubenvb Just realised you meant this chat specifically
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there are other chats?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'll concede that if you think too hard about what a probability "is" then you're head may explode. But in practice, if you're honest, you can glean a lot about the real world from good statistics.
 
@rubenvb :)
@Polymer Yeah, I know. I was being facetious because the Monty Hall problem fucks me off
 
8:33 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My mistake!
 
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour; flippant. (facetious)
 
@Polymer Easily done. You don't know me that well. :)
@ScarletAmaranth srs
 
Long as we are on this.
 
The Prisoner's Dilemma :\
I don't know why, but I don't like it.
 
8:34 PM
@Pawnguy7 Because its sucks to be in one?
 
I just made the information accessible as there is NO WAY IN HELL anybody else in this chatroom (potentially apart from native English speakers) had ANY idea whatsoever what the sodding word means
 
@Polymer probably that, yes
 
@Polymer In a prisoner?
 
@Dead it's not two thirds.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes.
 
8:36 PM
@Polymer Yikes
@ScarletAmaranth I don't think that's true! The word is fairly often employed in chat rooms such as this one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Two-thirds of people who switch win.
 
or it is. I'm drunk
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's discombobulating...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dead is right.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
@ScarletAmaranth =)
 
user1804599
8:40 PM
Ugh.
 
user1804599
setTimeout = flip setTimeout :)
 
And then you have mindgames like... what was that game, @DeadMG? I forget what you called it.
 
WIFOM
 
Was it Mafia?
 
8:42 PM
OK, enough - I'm off for a few pints of Doombar. Unfortunately, that beer will now continually remind me of the new SO colour scheme :((
 
yep
 
It is both alluring and incredibly confusing.
 
It's a trap! "Mr. Smith has two children. At least one of them is a boy. What is the probability that both children are boys?"
 
you gotta have both balls and brains to play Mafia
well, the better variants anyway
 
@Polymer Well, one of them is a boy, and the other one is boy 50 / 50, that's 75% they're both boys?
 
8:45 PM
@DeadMG as in complexity?
 
ye
lots of hilarious things can happen in Mafia
 
ooo...I like the new SO toolbar
 
@DeadMG s/Mafia/Meta/
3
 
nothing fun happens in Meta
 
@DeadMG Depends on your definition of "fun".
I, for instance, enjoy really dark humor.
 
8:50 PM
@Polymer I still cannot figure out how one can get 1/3 from this
 
Skudenfruity
 
@CatPlusPlus Schadenfreude.
 
7
Q: Monoid vs MonadPlus

Code-GuruI am very new to both Monads and Monoids and recently also learned about MonadPlus. From what I see, Monoid and MonadPlus both provide a type with a associative binary operation and an identity. (I'd call this a semigroup in mathematical parlance.) So what is the difference between Monoid and Mon...

 
@Pawnguy7 You don't. The answer to his query is 50%.
 
My highest scoring question!
 
8:51 PM
Ha I got you!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_or_Girl_paradox
As stated the question is ambiguous.
 
@DeadMG that seems to be the intuitive guess, but wikipedia says there is an ambiguity, which can have 1/3 as well.
 
:3
 
How can you "get you" when neither answer is more correct?
 
Ell
@Pawnguy7 the question could be interpreted two ways
 
@Pawnguy7 Well it really depends on exactly what you think that percentage means and in what circumstance.
 
Ell
8:52 PM
1) what is the likelihood if his next child being a boy
 
@Pawnguy7 In math your supposed to say questions are broken when you can.
 
Ell
2) what is the likelihood of some parents having two sons
 
It didn't say anything about a next child.
@Polymer still seems strange
 
let's stick to just the Monty Hall problem, shall we?
 
The 100 doors is useful in explaining it.
 
8:56 PM
I don't even remember 100 doors wat
 
@DeadMG I like the question, because it raises similar problems, but not as many smart people have thought it through.
 
I'm taking a horse whip to school tomorrow.
 
Paul Erdos got it wrong. Who cares
 
This will be entertaining ;_;
 
If Paul Erdos got it wrong, anyone that doesn't get it wrong is dumb.
Incontestable logic.
 
8:57 PM
@DeadMG I originally got to it from the explainxycd thing. It explained it by having 100 doors, and they reveal all but one goats.
 
What are use cases for accessing tuple values by type?
 
I usually explain it to people by showing that not switching doesn't change the original game, so you're still at 1/3
The only other option has to have all the rest.
 
What would be an interesting statistic.
 
@bamboon I think it's just convenience
 
Is how many people, during the lifetime of this gameshow, switched.
 
9:02 PM
@Pawnguy7 Suppose I say it this way. You flip two coins, and you are given that the first coin is heads, or the second coin is heads. What is the probability that the total number of boys is 2. Does that help?
 
I have to rethink my approach for Lua API and callbacks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, well I am not doing that much of TMP cruft, but do you need such an operation very often?
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Turns out,
 
user3010322
LLVm can't build properly with VS 2013 CTP
 
thought you already knew that.
 
9:06 PM
I should've said something >_<
But I got burned differently, their c++ standard library doesn't work on windows yet, so I figured he might be doing something else.
 
user3010322
I'm gonna give it a whirl with just VS 2013, and build it as a shared library, if LLVM is gonna be so difficult. =/
 
user3010322
@DeadMG Well, this version isn't building at all.
 
user3010322
Before it built, but I was using trunk. :c
 
Where did the "hot questions" dropdown go?
 
@bamboon in generic code? No.
IIAM I put it in the bag of Perlish convenience crap
 
9:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^^
 
It's only useful in non-generic code in fact.
 
Aha, it somehow seems strange to me
 
Ugh. It's either security and ugly hacks, or no security and nice code.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I also don't see much of the point for tuple, fusion::maps are useful tho, although most of the time one should rather use a struct
 
And I can still write cool hacks above the latter to get security. :v
 
9:21 PM
What
 
This is why I wake up in a cold sweat at night
 
@gnzlbg tuple is useful in generic code.
 
i meant accessing tuples by type
 
ahh.
 
the value type and the key type are the same, so I don't see much point in that.
 
9:26 PM
Are the Swedish chaps and the Canadian chaps some how related?
 
Ell
I'm mining bitcoins praying for a hit :'(
 
rofl
you won't get one.
 
also, they're "buttcoins".
not bitcoins.
 
Don't mine butts
 
9:32 PM
DeadMG, killing dreams since 199something
 
Time for a glass of wine (with friends). BRB
 
joining a bitcoin mining pool is probably a better idea @Ell
 
Ell
@DeadMG I know, but I'm in denial so I have to do it to give myself hope
 
No don't mine butts
At all
You won't get any money
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth nah, that will I won't get any money
 
9:33 PM
You can't do shit with CPU or GPU
 
Ell
this was at least there is a teeeny chance I can be profitable
 
Ell
It's still down to chance
 
if you want to earn money in a game of chance, play online poker.
 
Ell
@DeadMG I was planning that actually
seeing as I turned 18 last month
 
9:34 PM
at least that way
 
Ell
oh wait
poker isn't chance :3
 
you know in advance the game is rigged 2-3% against you
 
Unless you put in couple of thousand dollars upfront investment for hardware and steal electricity
Don't do butts, they're stupid, go beg on a street instead
Higher ROI
And you won't waste power doing nothing
 
@CatPlusPlus Stealing electricity is an excellent way to make a profit. atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/12/04/…
 
Some people like doing butts
 
9:35 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Buttcoiners are stupid
But seriously, you can't mine butts without a custom-made ASIC
 
@CatPlusPlus Well this was an electric car driver. Meh, the same I guess...
 
This ship has sailed a long time ago
 
Ell
Please convince me bitcoins were a bad investment on paper even when they were almost free
 
Doesn't matter
 
Butts were never and are not and will never be an investment
 
9:37 PM
A Swedish company is still doing great selling buttmining rigs.
 
(Also one ASIC can't do shit either, so you have to join a pool)
 
Being a good investment is not a matter of "oh look, it worked out in the end"
 
A friend of mine bought a Buttcoin miner for $270 and sold it on E-bay for $630~
 
A good investment is not something to be judged with hindsight
 
There was a good post about this sec
 
9:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, winners always win for a reason :p
/sarcasm
 
@Polymer The logic in this statement is overwhelming.
 
I find it interesting that bitcoin arbitrage is a thing
 
NO NEW SO INTERFACE\
NO
WHERE IS CHAT
 
user3010322
It's right... here?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes arbitrage?
 
9:41 PM
@ThePhD THE CHAT LINK\
 
hiding in the stack exchange button
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz The dropdown in teh top-left,
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun oh
 
user3010322
next to the Stack Overflow icon.
 
9:42 PM
@Ell Changing currency at particular points to make a profit
 
user3010322
Oh, he posted a picture. Yeah it's there.
 
Or chaining changes.
 
I'm amazed that there are still working butt exchanges where you can cash out
 
Cat, I love your butt
 
Say dollars -> euros -> yen and you get a few nickels because the rates are not exactly mayching each other
 
No sum of money would convince me to give it away
 
People do bitcoin arbitrage by changing excjanges
 
Ell
ohh
 
Magic the Gathering Online Exchange is not cutting it these days
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes erm, erm... nevermind :)
 
9:46 PM
Currency of the future, where value can differ by 300 USD between exchanges bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html
 
@sehe no idea what you replying to
phone here
 
user3010322
Hm.
 
user3010322
Ambigious overloads because char is still an integer is annoying.
 
user3010322
I'm going to introduce a reserve_arg_t.
 
user3010322
9:47 PM
Hey, it's explicit.
 
You know what, I think I overdone it this time.
 
user3010322
You overcooked the lasagna?!
 
Been listening to the same song for almost two weeks now
 
user3010322
Haha.
 
Did you mistype the name
 
user3010322
9:48 PM
I do the same thing, except I've been doing it for 2 years. :D
 
user3010322
I put a song on, and I leave it on repeat. Infinitely.
 
Kinda getting sick of it which annoys me since I love this song
 
user3010322
Haha.
 
user3010322
Just change the song.
 
user3010322
Fill your brain with different waves.
 
user3010322
9:49 PM
Whoa
 
user3010322
I haven't updated my Resume
 
user3010322
in a whole year
 
user3010322
=[
 
I still don't have a resume or CV
And eh whatever too lazy
 
ugh, this stupid top bar.
 
Ell
9:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus ouch
 
what is c++
 
Also ahahahahahahahhah that fucking reddit description
> Bitcoin is the currency of the Internet:
 
@CoffeeMaker malloc
 
> As such, it is more resistant to wild inflation and corrupt banks. With Bitcoin, you can be your own bank.
And lose all your money because your Android app holding all your money has a bug
Being a bank is easy!
 
Ell
9:53 PM
It is very easy to evade taxes with bitcoins
 
user3010322
....
 
Also no inflation at all, just huge value shifts every 10 seconds
 
user3010322
Sigh.
 
Don't people use bitcoins for illegal transactions as well?
 
user3010322
I can't trust myself anymore.
 
9:53 PM
no taxes more bitcoins ron paul 2016
 
user3010322
Fucking reality.
 
It's not easier to avoid taxes with butts than it is with USD or whatever else currency
Also it's a fucking dumb argument
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes incontestable logic, I almost contested that :)
 
@Polymer I'd say the vast majority of illegal transactions are still being made with traditional currency.
 
It's easier to evade taxes by keeping a public unerasable record of every transaction.
 
9:55 PM
lol
 
Ell
oh yeah.
It is very difficult to evade taxes with bitcoins
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah your right, the bitcoin element would be unnecessary.
 
Ell
Surely this is a reason to use bitcoins
 
People say that shit like people working for tax enforcement go through their accounts one by one to highlight discrepancies
 
@Cat and cross-check against every other account
(cross checking is super easy with bitcoin!)
 
9:57 PM
Honest question here for Cat
but if you can buy things with Bitcoins and it is accepted at least somewhat between countries, why is it not a currency in your eyes?
 
user3010322
It is a currency, it's just not a very good one, because it's value is mega arbitrary.
 
that's besides the point
 
Zimbabwean dollars were a currency too
 
it's volatile yeah, but it can still be used to buy goods.
 
wtf is this
 
9:58 PM
Sure, you can buy things
 
@Rapptz I'm not sure he ever said it wasn't a currency?
 
new stackoverflow skin
 
Whatever
 
@Polymer You're new here.
 
oh and bitcoin discussion :P
 
9:59 PM
@nightcracker where have you been?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Got a few millions of those.
(Not really)
 
It's so consumer-unfriendly that I wouldn't want it to be a currency
 
@Rapptz fane :p
 
it's better to think of bitcoins as stock, seems to be a better analogy
 
9:59 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was online yesterday and it wasn't there
 
It's commodity for gambling first
 
@thecoshman You can't buy goods with stocks.
 
@Etienne I have 100000000000000+ of them. Serious.
 
You have to sell your stocks first.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did not know it went defunct in 12 April 2009. TIL.
 
9:59 PM
@nightcracker Yes, it's just been activated on SO. But if you ever checked Meta you'd know that it's been beta'd there for ages, and announced for months!
 

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