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10:00 PM
ROTFL.
so dramatic
 
@kbok oh, there. I didn't actually read it that well
 
@BartekBanachewicz :p
 
@kbok it's Killzone 2 soundtrack
 
lol my comment got +12 xD
 
I still think the idea of randomly generated snake... levels? Playfields? - would be cool. And some AI.
 
10:01 PM
@Pawnguy7 Tron.
 
@Borgleader RAII always gets support.
 
Write your own unique_ptr replacement, then explain to your boss why you spent 2 days debugging a basic language tool that you would have gotten for free if they allowed upgrading. Repeat it until they start weighting the time wasted with outdated tools against the time spent upgrading. — DanielKO 12 mins ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not sure how that is relevant. Well, it has AI, I guess, if that is what you meant.
 
@Rapptz Super dumb comment award goes to
 
@Pawnguy7 I mean that Tron is cool. Really nothing more :D
 
10:02 PM
@kbok How is that dumb?
 
"Your employer uses shitty outdated compilers but they are probably totally cool with you spending time implementing RAII utilities"
 
@BartekBanachewicz to be clear, we are talking about the arcade game?
 
@Pawnguy7 about the Tron movie
 
@Dan replace unique_ptr by boost::scoped_ptr if you don't have it — sehe 15 mins ago
 
@Pawnguy7, @Eli On how to actually finish snake (this is a fun project if you want to write a little AI): i.imgur.com/Mgjp0H1.gif
 
10:03 PM
and part of it was arcade game, yes
 
^ I was actually trying to be helpful.
 
@BartekBanachewicz say ah. Yes. Wait, how did we get on to this?
 
@Pawnguy7 I love the movie.
 
@kbok If they don't understand that RAII will save them time and money in the long run, they must be made to.
 
@BartekBanachewicz to clarify, which movie? :D
 
10:05 PM
@Pawnguy7 Tron.
 
@BartekBanachewicz If I am not mistaken, there was a remake
 
@Pawnguy7 a sequel
 
Ell
@FrerichRaabe haha that's pretty cool :) also, it's "Ell" btw - I'm not getting your pings but don't worry about it :)
 
@Borgleader Maybe. But you have to choose your battles. Changing the mentality of your company regarding programming idioms is very hard
 
10:06 PM
@FrerichRaabe I like how in the end the 'diamonds' keep popping up right in front of the snake's head, just because there is no other place :/
 
this is officially fucking cool
 
SPAM
Officially fucking gray.
 
@sehe yeah, I will spam! At least I am creative!
 
Are those blocks rectangles?
 
All spam is creative
 
10:07 PM
@Pawnguy7 they are squares, just badly drawn :F
 
@kbok Bosses understand money programmers hate headaches, RAII as opposed to manual memory management saves money and headaches.
 
@BartekBanachewicz aw. I didn't say that :|
 
it also depends on the size of the company, who knows he might be in a team of 5
 
I wonder if a stealh games based on lighting would be fun.
 
10:09 PM
@sehe oh, that's sweet :3. But really, if you are tired with them I don't have to onebox everything. I could perhaps put them in some proper image folder or something.
Anyway, I really think this project is getting more amazing each hour I spend on it. Didn't expect that.
 
That's a thought. Perhaps your blog has some spare room
 
@BartekBanachewicz Make mirrors your next project, and then you can reconstruct flickr.com/photos/p1r/5316665251
 
@Borgleader That's far from being true
 
@Pawnguy7 could be nice
 
@kbok What part?
 
10:11 PM
@sehe I suppose respect is due for watching the darn GIF all the way to the end. :-}
 
@sehe my blog still needs me to learn Jekyll proper, really
 
@FrerichRaabe It wasn't the first time I saw it
 
@sehe So you watched it all the way to the end, and then another time? Sheesh! :)
 
@Borgleader I'm not sure. I'm not sure it's a sentence actually.
 
@FrerichRaabe Long time ago
 
10:12 PM
@sehe "I still watch that gif from time to time"
 
that's sad
 
Ell
Aw man I broke snake somehow xD
 
@Ell Where are your unit tests?
 
Ell
non existent :(
ahh well it was working 5 minutes ago, that's gotta count for something :P
 
10:17 PM
Haha, you actually attempted it?
 
Ell
@Rapptz I succeeded for about 10 minutes :P
And now I broke it somehow xD
 
@BartekBanachewicz Unit tests are for people who don't know how to get the most out of a static type system!
 
hm, this one guy has a way of dynamically updating the quadtree so it kinda "moves" and scales with the content
I will have to work on that later too
 
Maybe I should stop working on side projects that don't yield money and start working on ones that do
 
@kbok meh, money makes it less fun
 
10:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz But it makes you more rich
 
@kbok Pretty shitty attitude imo.
 
R Y U so fucking slow when it comes to string functions?
taking > 10 minutes instead of < 1 sec
 
@kbok it's not about getting rich when it comes to hobby projects
 
@KonradRudolph R is a shitty language, but it's the only free statistical one.
TBH having bioinformatics done with script-like languages sucks a lot of dick, especially w.r.t dynamic typing and all that other stuff.
 
@Rapptz Why is that?
 
10:21 PM
Which slows basic computations down by a shitload.
 
@ThePhD See that’s the point, it isn’t even shitty per se
 
@kbok Coding's a hobby and a professional job. If you decide to take the free time dedicated to hobby programming and yield money from it, it'll be less enjoyable. "Oh, I didn't make money from this" is a cruddy attitude and will probably happen often. Not to mention the fact that rather than being motivated to do a project from other sources, you'll be using money instead.
 
teehee I've added moving the raycaster
 
@Ell version control
 
@Rapptz I hear that in the real world, people have to pay rents and feed children; scary stuff!
 
10:24 PM
@KonradRudolph (re)allocs. Also, Y U do strings in R?
 
@KonradRudolph They should honestly just make like cython and add some of the guarantees of static typing so computation can zing by really, really, really fast
 
@FrerichRaabe I hear some people can't read. Scary thought as well.
 
@sehe because I need them. Also, that particular case just now was my fault, I take it back. I had an accidental NxN runtime in my code
 
lol
 
oLol.
 
10:25 PM
@Rapptz OTOH having a project that you "sell" makes you work on different aspects such as accessibility and reliability that you probably won't bother with if no one uses your stuff.
 
@kbok Lundi fits that
 
@kbok Sounds like a personal problem.
 
BTW, WRT speed, pass-by-reference and all that, lesson learned from that project - Fuck That Pass By Value
 
I don't know why the two have to be mutually exclusive, TBH.
@BartekBanachewicz Man up and std::move()!
 
Also there's really nothing wrong with making money out of a hobby project, I don't see how you see that as "cruddy"
 
10:27 PM
Money as a prime motivator will always be seen in my eyes as cruddy.
 
@BartekBanachewicz My biggest concern with Lundi is that I'm basing design decisions on my own experience with lua and its integration, and it's very light
 
@kbok that's good. The API has to be nice for C++ developers, not for C api freaks
 
@BartekBanachewicz I mean, I'm currently working on a game project but I'm not sure what are the key features of what a lua integration lib should be, and I can only extrapolate from what I needed up until now
 
@Rapptz Wait till you get married. :->
 
@kbok Need-based building is never really a bad thing.
 
10:30 PM
@FrerichRaabe I'm celibate.
 
@Rapptz So, you should work only because you like it?
 
@Rapptz High-five!
 
@kbok we started talking about that, remember? I suggested abstract Actor. Well, I have my own insights on that, and if we get anyone else to use it, even better
 
@kbok I do, so I don't find it hard to believe that it's possible.
If my only goal from working was to make money I'd probably be terrible at my job too.
 
I think there's a balance between doing what you love and making money. It is possible to make money doing what you love.
 
10:31 PM
Then again, hell do I know about computer science. But I don't see why it should be any different.
 
@ThePhD Right and then you realize that sooner than you like it, the life outside of the job requires so much money that you may be forced to take a less-than-interesting job for the sake of making your time outside of the job more enjoyable.
 
@Rapptz Would you agree, though, that it's not the case for everyone?
 
@FrerichRaabe Depends on the job you're doing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "Abstract Actor"?
 
For example, knitting sweaters is excessively time consuming. And sweaters do not sell well enough to support yourself on them. So you'll have to get a part-time job to support yourself while you knit sweaters.
 
10:33 PM
@ThePhD Right, and the amount of money you need for loans, rent, children, medicine and whatnot...
 
@kbok I think what motivates to do your job is your business. I don't care, and really I think it's irrelevant to what I was talking about. I don't do stuff during my free time and expect money from it, and if I did then I think it's cruddy of me to think so. That's all I said.
I don't have this constant mentality of money in my mind and I don't ever expect to be paid for the projects I do with my part time enjoyment/free time. I don't see why I should.
 
I'm working really hard during my free time to eventually make money. And I enjoy the projects I'm working on. Is that a bad thing? D:
q_q I'm a horrible person. :c
 
@Rapptz As programmers we have the opportunity to make money with our hobby. I don't see why it would be a problem that some people seize that opportunity.
 
@kbok c++ class only knows bare minimum basically
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is the guy who wrote the OpenGL tutorial on arcsynthesis also the author of the Unofficial OpenGL SDK?
 
user142019
10:37 PM
Hello.
 
Ello
 
I usually set myself a number of constraints to keep the project interesting (use a unknown language, be as quick as possible, make the code perfect, use a very low level API, etc.)
 
Also, I sometimes see "attempting to make money with a project" as a big step in a positive direction w.r.t. computer science projects (or actually advertising and encouraging people use them in open-source or w/e). It means you actually believe the things you work on in your free time and the things you put your enjoyment into have actually reached a sufficient skill level to be worth something to someone else. That's a good feeling, when it happens.
 
I think "making money" as a goal moves the constraints in such a way that it keeps it interesting. Also it makes money
 
"make money" can also be a good incentive to learn compromising, i.e. you make stuff which is as good as necessary instead of making stuff which is as good as possible.
 
10:40 PM
Also what @ThePhD said: having people pay for it is an indicator of its usefulness, which is something I often find lacking in my projects
 
@Tuntuni yes
 
Ell
Okay snake is fixed
 
user142019
The coin factory makes shitloads of money.
 
@BartekBanachewicz cool guy
 
user142019
Dat pun.
 
Ell
10:40 PM
And now I'm in bed
 
Kinda has an implication that free software is useless. (i.e. not "worth something to someone else")
 
@Ell good job
@Tuntuni indeed
 
@Ell See? Crisis solved.
@Rapptz You can count free software's usefulness by its download rate / usage. :D
 
@Rapptz is not
 
Well what is the point of free software?
 
user142019
10:42 PM
That everybody can modify it and know the internals.
 
user142019
At least, that was Stallman's goal.
 
@Rapptz It depends on the viewpoint. Collaboration? Enhancement? Community support? Sharing?
 
Money shouldn't be a prime indicator of your software's usefulness.
 
user142019
It can't be wtf.
 
user142019
Also usefulness is subjective.
 
10:44 PM
@ScottW muh freedoms man
 
Well, that's what all 3 of you guys said
 
user142019
It can be useful to only some people.
 
stencil buffer is fun
 
stencil buffer slows me dow
down
 
user142019
 
Actually is a black military guy on a boat laughing
 
user142019
You are actually a pedant in Lounge<C++> chatting.
 
@rightfold Maybe. He's still right.
 
@rightfold what ... what ... why?
 
user142019
Normally I'm the one who can't understand figurative speech.
 
user142019
10:49 PM
Stop pretending you're me.
 
Etienne agrees that the animated picture does not actually depicts a shell watching another
 
user142019
A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison, the same as another otherwise unrelated object. Metaphor is a type of analogy and is closely related to other rhetorical figures of speech that achieve their effects via association, comparison or resemblance including allegory, hyperbole, and simile. In simpler terms, a metaphor compares two objects or things without using the words "like" or "as". One of the most prominent examples of a metaphor in English literature is the All the world's a stage monologue from As You Like...
 
> resemblance
That guy did not look like the Z shell at all
 
@Borgleader Partial quotation from D.E. Knuth. Look up what he actually said. This is an important aspect of program design, not 'premature optimisation'. I've seen projects fail because of an incorrect choice here. There are semantic aspects to this choice, not just performance aspects. — EJP 3 mins ago
 
10:51 PM
What does he mean? -.-;
 
user142019
@kbok <tomalak-mode>Why do you need to mention the guy's skin color? You racist!</tomalak-mode>
 
@rightfold I thought about that but I did not edit it out to not draw attention on it
 
@rightfold A crappy one at best.
Face it, that sucked.
 
user142019
It's pretty good in my opinion.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think you could suck it any other way, actually.
 
10:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel did you receive the mlp shirt you ordered?
 
@Borgleader Just dit. Had to fetch it at a UPS store.
 
cool cool
 
@Borgleader he is plainly retarded
 
oh good, i thought it was me being retarded
 
> The IDE being used generated call by value with gay abandon
 
10:58 PM
2 answers talk about std::vectors when OP meant xyzw xD
 
WTF is gay abandon???
 
haha no clue
 
> dynamic objects
This guy is a puzzle factory
 

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