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9:00 PM
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@BartekBanachewicz He says "install xcode... then install the command line tools plugin" (which includes gcc) It's a pretty easy way to get GCC installed and running.
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
@MooingDuck i am not saying it is not
 
@cppprogrammer300 do you want me to vote to delete? do you don't suffer any more unwarranted downvotes? It might help to heed the advice you are getting and stop the apparent whining. The people you wine to are having to read your question. — sehe 5 secs ago
 
9:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz all that being said, his answer is still stupid
 
matches the Q
 
@sehe his previous answers have -6 and -7 and are both closed
 
@sehe s/do you don't/so you don't/
 
@BartekBanachewicz your comment makes sense because he is the one that said you need GCC for c++
 
@A.H. yeah well it's not like I downvoted him or something for that
 
9:06 PM
@Borgleader I admit I was wrong, but I can't answer anything because of my low reputation this has gotten me. — cppprogrammer300 46 secs ago
 
really? does low rep or getting question banned affect your ability to answer question?
 
@ThePhD I flagged this comment muhahahaha.
 
@EtiennedeMartel i feel like i'm supposed to be tripping ...
 
@EtiennedeMartel D: so mean.
 
9:07 PM
@ThePhD That'll teach you to suggest Turbo C++.
 
meanies on the Internet
 
No one suggests that, even ironically.
 
Well I never
 
@ThePhD Some noobs will take you seriously.
 
C'EST PAS DES BLAGUES À FAIRE
 
9:08 PM
@Rapptz You can't be serious. D:
"Nuke OSX" <-- who will go that far?
 
noobs
 
noobs are vulnerable to gullibility.
 
not that i would buy a mac
 
@ThePhD That reminds me of something
 
9:09 PM
but if i won one
 
me: open with... ->iTunes
iTunes: HI! Here's my library of audio!
me: where's the file I just told you to play?
iTunes: What file?
 
@JerryCoffin: Please note that I talked about people getting into the language standardization process, which (by my definition) is a substantially larger group of people than the committee. I believe that actually helping with the effort requires an very rare combination of skills, and most people interested in the process would probably be better of doing something useful.
 
@FrerichRaabe In my experience, the Committee complains that they don't get enough people and attendance, and then when you submit papers to them, they wait six months to give you five minutes of feedback.
 
@Rapptz I... I see.
 
9:10 PM
@Rapptz lolwut
 
@Borgleader I fixed the other mistake as well
@BartekBanachewicz oh lol
@sehe oh, Maybe it was just voting and asking questions. Again, I am sorry for freaking out. I should have controlled my self there more, — cppprogrammer300 2 mins ago
 
@Rapptz That's an old one. They removed it in a later version.
 
^ Someone +1 that and vote-to-delete?
 
@sehe I swear somebody sympathy upvoted him after i told him he wouldnt get any T_T
 
@FrerichRaabe I tend to disagree -- one of the biggest problems in writing standards has been the committee getting disconnected from their real audience. Decent programmers who don't actually contribute much directly can still do a great deal to keep the committee in touch with reality.
 
9:11 PM
@Borgleader I did. After he thoroughly apologized for freaking out. Best to nuke the question and let him learn that. But with as many as possible compensatory upvotes.
 
Also, whats vote-to-delete? a 10k thing?
 
Yes.
You get limited votes at 10k though.
As you get more rep you gain more.
> At 10k, you can cast 5 delete votes per day. An additional vote is granted per 1000 reputation, to a maximum of 30 delete votes per day at 35k reputation.
 
so apparently windows sets up wParam form WMXBUTTONDOWN, but not for UP
 
So 35K is the true ceiling.
 
9:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz WMX ?
 
@ThePhD Shit, so I could have stopped :/
 
HOLD THE PHONE
 
@ThePhD I thought you got something neat at 200k rep
 
@ThePhD R/L/M
 
@Rapptz Damn that sucks -- I was really looking forward to being able to post 200 votes to close in one day!
 
9:13 PM
So, I can't use iTunes to produce biological weapons?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. Right. Stop using that, use RAW_INPUT for your window system instead.
 
@ThePhD why should I do that?
 
More reliable, can handle multiple mice, multiple keyboards, and anything else plugged into and drivable by the system.
 
@Magtheridon96 Good thing Apple sells music players, not burritos!
 
Also can handle million-button mice
 
9:14 PM
:effort:
 
@DeadMG I find it hard to comment on that without knowing what the paper was about. ;-)
 
@JerryCoffin stackoverflow.com/questions/17933917/… I believe the function is just a wrapper for the new one OP wants backwards compatability
 
@cppprogrammer300 I have. I'm trying to get this question deleted with as little further damage for you as possible. I'll need the help of a few friends though. I hope it will work. Cheers — sehe 23 secs ago
 
@ThePhD also not recommended for games with mouse cursor FYI
and my happens to be just one.
 
@FrerichRaabe All of the papers that weren't submitted by people who had been in Committee for several years already, or had core voting rights.
virtually all of the real work is done on non-public internal mailing lists, apparently.
 
9:15 PM
@JerryCoffin Burritos are misunderstood ;_;
 
@sehe you do realize closing the question counts against him too right?
 
oh so wParam actually holds if the buttons are down
well
 
@MooingDuck I don't think so. Also, it's already long closed. Deletion merely prevents him from improving it. However, nothing is going to help this Q and he can't delete it because it has an answer....
 
@MooingDuck i think he wants it deleted to prevent further downvotes, its already closed
 
@A.H. Could well be. Nonetheless, he's pretty much stuck with a choice between working on XP or not being deprecated (but AFAIK no single function meets both criteria).
 
9:17 PM
@sehe oh right right
 
this is the first time in my life I am using switch falltrough in something more than a trivial multicase
 
So you discovered duff's device!
 
    {
        MouseInfo::Button button;
    case WM_LBUTTONDOWN:
        button = MouseInfo::Button::Left;
    case WM_RBUTTONDOWN:
        button = MouseInfo::Button::Right;
    case WM_MBUTTONDOWN:
        button = MouseInfo::Button::Middle;
        {
            if (window->mousedownCallback){
                window->mousedownCallback(mouseInfoFromMsgParam(wParam, lParam, window, button));
            }
            return 0;
        }
    }
maybe a bit lengthy, but necessary to show the usage
 
I'm always sad when I see a question tagged C++ and malloc
 
fuck, except it won't work
fakdsjfhaldjkfh
 
9:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz: The fact that you used a switch fallthrough for the first time in your life should've made you smell that something must be wrong. Or you are a lot younger than I would guess. ;-)
 
@FrerichRaabe I'm 21. Dunno what you guessed.
 
I didn't guess anything actually.
 
Wow, so young.
Almost like rightfold.
 
@JerryCoffin you are right msdn says its not supported
 
@ThePhD how old are you really?
 
9:23 PM
35!
 
no, you wouldn't be interning if you were 35
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've had people who were easily in their 30s in my uni classes. Although statiscally, it's improbably that he would be a 35 yr old intern
 
35 factorial?
 
It's just that if you exploit the fact that a switch is a glorified goto, you get what you asked for.
 
@FrerichRaabe true
 
9:27 PM
35 year olds can intern too. D:
All you youn'uns think you can hog the interning to yourselves!
#young-privilege
 
Holy moley, finally watched Herb Sutter's video on const and mutable in C++11, now I reallllly want a compliant compiler
 
btw is C++ getting pure specifier?
 
@Mgetz Then don't use Herb's compiler. :3c
 
X3
irony there
but yeah you have to have 2013 for it to be compliant in that aspect
 
@BartekBanachewicz you mean for like abstract classes?
 
9:30 PM
@A.H. like for pure functions
 
@BartekBanachewicz dunno, there is an argument with the new definition of const being thread safe that it would be redundant however I'm of the opinion that it wouldn't be
 
Xeo
Lesson of the day: My PC sucks so bad.
 
it would be nice to be able to declare a function to be pure const
 
@Mgetz function marked const and using OpenGL is not thread safe
something to think about.
 
YAY UB
 
9:31 PM
@Xeo Really? :O
 
file a bug
 
Ell
Man I suck so bad. I don't think I've gotten anywhere in 3 years >.<
 
@Mgetz um?
@Ell in terms of?
 
@Ell 3 years?
 
Ell
anything!
I can't do snake for goodness sake
 
9:31 PM
TIL @Ell is old. :D
 
read 1.10 in the C++11 standard
 
Ell
how can this be!
 
@Ell are you implementing snake?
 
Ell
I'm attempting :P
but I don't know how :(
 
Xeo
@ThePhD I'm getting bad framerate issues in BL2 as soon as I have floor tiles or fences with alpha in them.
No clue what's going on
 
Ell
9:32 PM
hold a queue of positions or what? :S
 
@Mgetz that's irrelevant to the fact that OpenGL has global state
@Ell that's a nice idea
you know
 
@Ell Queue of positions, read all the positions out, render them all, pop the last one, insert the next one in the direction the snake is facing,.
Jesus christ use your brain.
 
maybe you are just trying to learn too many things at once
@ThePhD says who, FFS
 
@BartekBanachewicz I realize that, my point was that according to the new standard anything marked as const must be threadsafe (if it interacts with the standard library in any way)
 
@Mgetz: One thing which is much easier with a pure than with a const function is testing, since you have a better idea of what inputs affect the outcome. pure functions also parallelize very nicely, e.g. they are by definition reentrant.
 
9:34 PM
@Mgetz yeah. I am just stopping you a bit (sorry!) with "everything marked const is automatically threadsafe"
 
@FrerichRaabe to me pure and const are not mutually exclusive
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes sorry 'bout that.
 
Ell
@ThePhD I'm having a chrisis here! :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz didn't say that or if I did I was wrong
 
@Mgetz pure is mostly for free functions
@Mgetz okay
 
9:34 PM
@Mgetz Oh I was just providing some arguments how pure is not redundant just because const has some sort of thread safety attached to it.
 
what I said is that is what the standard now says it to be
 
whats wrong with the current = 0 ?
 
standard != reality
 
@Ell chill out
@A.H. it's totally not about that (you need to read up what "pure function" means, and it's not "purely virtual")
 
@Xeo Nah, that's ok.
 
9:35 PM
scrolls
 
@Ell That's not true if you think about it. For one thing, I think you've started enjoying social activities a bit more. You've grown as a person. I'm not joking.
 
How much damage were you dealing?
 
3 ounce
 
TONS OF DAMAGE
Terrible, terrible damage.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Something in the 400 - 1k range, depending on the weapon
 
9:36 PM
I finally got Warcraft III for this operating system ;.;
 
Xeo
Dying made me lose my stacks, so yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz So many banelings.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what it does buy us is that in a C++11 compliant STL everything marked as const IS threadsafe
 
Xeo
Never got above 30 really
 
@Xeo Oh. That would take forver.
 
Ell
9:37 PM
@sehe I guess I have :) never really thought about those things
 
Xeo
Severely underequipped, as I said
 
I was dealing 3k with my pistol, but the fucker never hit me.
 
I have a Vladof sniper rifle that does around 130k on headshots.
 
I need my health to go below 1/3 to enter Badass rampage and dish out 40k with each blow.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Zero is always underrated :F
 
9:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I play with Axton.
 
That's how I killed it last time.
 
My main weapon is a Jakobs revolver that deals fire damage.
 
@Ell I can't really tell whether it's because you talk less about stuff that worries you/people, but you seem happier for it :/
 
I know. An elemental Jakobs weapon. Weird, eh?
 
9:39 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I have one too.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's strange because Jakobs' shtick is stuff that hits hard but isn't elemental.
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel I think I could do that with a rocket launcher if I get my stacks up
 
@EtiennedeMartel I am aware of that
 
ITT loungers are all secretly merkin gun wielding farmers
 
@EtiennedeMartel is it the pistol from Captain Scarlett?
 
9:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think so. Maybe.
 
That's where I got mine. Twice.
 
Xeo
I do 8x my normal damage when I have 400 stacks, so with a launcher that does ~20k, that's achievable
 
Ell
@sehe I do talk less, but I think I am happier
 
Aaaah.
Yeah.
 
If I had a Gunzerker I'd dual wield them now.
 
9:40 PM
Incendiary Greed.
 
Ell
But I feel like I have become a worse person by becoming happier :S
well, I know I've done some horrible things to people, obviously never intending to hurt people
 
Xeo
Welp, back to reading it is
 
@Ell That's good to hear
 
Ell
and am trying to fix things
but I myself am a happier person
 
9:41 PM
fuck damn it's a nasty bug :/
 
I also managed to get a Veruc.
 
Man, how do I get hold on a Saints Row 1 game
 
A Corrosive one.
 
Ell
And I no longer have the troubles I had which I talked about 2 or so years or however long it was when I came in here
 
@EtiennedeMartel duuuude
 
9:42 PM
Fucks up armored enemies like you wouldn't beliiieeeeve.
 
It's $100 on amazon, WTF
 
> Ammunition consumption is two rounds consumed per shot. However, since the Veruc shoots three projectiles per shot, its ammo consumption is rather tame compared to other guns.
 
@Ell Sounds like you're easily afraid. You've simply traded the fear of "doing things" for the fear of "doing things wrong"? That's progress. Life is tiring when afraid.
 
All in all, my worst gun is a Maliwan SMG. I need to find a better one.
 
@sehe @Ell I can relate.
 
9:43 PM
@Ell That's a good sign, indeed.
 
But it's my only shock weapon, so I keep around to deal with shields.
 
I just shoot them.
 
I'm loving the completely schizophrenic nature of lounge conversation a.t.m.
 
Or let them shoot me and ravage them with Firehawk novas.
 
Using proper elemental types is so fucking important on TVHM.
 
9:44 PM
I don't even know who to ask so I'll just rant here instead
 
@Ell what are you making?
 
I especially like how the lounge "politeys" are emitting violent language, while the self-professed shock therapists are doing socio-talk
 
@Etienne Did you get a Legendary class mod?
 
@kbok (drums fingers)
 
Ell
@sehe And now my family know, which makes me feel a lot more comfortable because I don't feel like I'm being judged
@Pawnguy7 Snake at the minute :D how about you?
 
9:45 PM
fuck @Xeo my Quadrants and Extents got fucked (misaligned)
precisely the bug I was afraid of :/
fucking shit.
 
@sehe The course of nature is truly... ~undefined~
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope.
 
@sehe I wish there was a button to make annoying noises
 
@Ell just a normal snake?
 
@kbok you're a programmer...
 
9:46 PM
Most of my gear is purple, except for my Veruc.
 
@sehe I'm not balpha though :)
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz For the minute yes :)
But adding portals might be cool :P
 
@Ell technology?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz heh errm, ruby & libgosu runs away
 
@Ell Snake the arcade game?
 
9:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You and me should play together eventually. I think I got a level 35 Siren lying around.
 
I want to beat raid bosses!
So much good looot.
 
Ell
@Pawnguy7 yeah :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but they're balanced for a four player team.
 
That's for suckas.
I beat two solo.
 
Are UK and US versions of console games the same?
 
9:49 PM
Who wants a balanced fight?
 
PAL v. something else, if there's region locking.
 
@ThePhD I'm more thinking about game content
 
@Ell I have attempted that at least twice. That code is so terrible. I should revisit it, someday...
 
@kbok oh you mean, in chat to annoy others...
 
@sehe Yep. Though the plink does the job already
 
9:51 PM
IT WORKS!
 
@kbok @kbok how @kbok so? @kbok I don't @kbok think @kbok it's annoying
That's well hidden
 
@sehe Nice.
 
:)
 
Ell
Okay. I got the basics done
 
9:54 PM
Is it a png or a jpg then?
 
Ell
now need to disable eating your own tail :3
 
@sehe Oh.
 
@kbok I dunno. It seems to be a jpg
@kbok pssst. my sound is off :D
 
@Pawnguy7 what's that?
 
@Eli I learned about Snake from the DOS program 'NIBBLES.BAS', which unfortunately had only two players supported but I have two siblings, so I needed to figure out how to extend it to support three players. It was cozy to play with one guy using wsad, my sister using ikjl and a third using the cursor keys...
 
9:56 PM
 
@BartekBanachewicz abandoned snake project.
 
^ so useful :<
 
@sehe AND
 
@Ell when you have to move and you would eat your flesh, game over.
 
"Your electronic device fails you" as in spell checking fail?
 
9:56 PM
@FrerichRaabe cool :)
 
Ell
Right. Tis done
Now need to make it pretty
@FrerichRaabe haha must have been a squeeze :P
 
anyway that video is in full resolution
 
@kbok the suspence
@kbok it is killing me
 
@kbok No, as in a nuke or something.
 
I don't know why I compressed the previous one, the whole video took 3.5MB o.O
x264 is amazing
 
9:58 PM
@Eli The biggest program was not so much that the three of us (we were all <10 at that point) had to fit on two chairs, it was that I didn't understand that cursor keys yield two character codes, so it quickly happened that the keyboard buffer overflowed and you only got a beeping noise and the key presses of my siblings wouldn't have any effect -> crash.
you cannot imagine the hatred this revealed in us, accusing each other of intentionally making the computer beep so they would crash.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That music on the other video
3
@sehe It's "and", not "an"
 
@kbok wait did I actually set that? I was clicking random things :/
@kbok lol I was actually listening to that :D :D :D
epic.
 

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