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1:00 PM
Anyone ever hear of a language called OOP? I am looking at an internship, and it says I will be programming in it. Pretty sure they just meant that it will be using object oriented languages.
 
I only know Ook.
 
Ook is that orangutang language right?
 
Maybe that's what they meant. The keys are like next to each other.
 
std::reference_wrapper<T> not so useful with polymorphic functors, gah.
 
1:15 PM
No std::remove_rvalue_reference trait.
 
I'm sure one could be built!
 
That didn't take very long indeed.
 
Sweet, I love you, Microsoft.
Exchange webservices returning a response code documented only as "This response code is not used."
 
A glitch in the matrix.
 
1:33 PM
> main.cpp:141:1: sorry, unimplemented: mangling modop_expr
I broke GCC again :(
Yay, my 4.7 snapshot accepts it
 
did gcc just say he is sorry and can't compile your code?
 
Yeah, it happens.
 
I wish my gcc was that polite everytime he can't compile my code :)
it, gcc is an it!
damn.
 
@hexa my gcc is a she
 
+, -, *, /, % am I missing any binary operator?
 
1:35 PM
Yes.
 
oh
 
Oooh bit stuff and boolean things.
 
so if @jalf types "man gcc", something nasty happens inside his box
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lol
 
1:40 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb people on this channel seem to scared of showing their real face.
 
my pic is over a year old
 
dude, not at all
 
Mine is from 2008 i think.
I'm probably a lot fatter.
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I need a good close up pic that i've been meaning to take
but i never do
 
my friends have been doing a lots of pics of me this week, but the pics haven't landed on my disk yet xD
most of them are embarrassing anyway xD
 
1:43 PM
Most of them are somewhere within rand()
 
@ÓlafurWaage Yay, got it all.
 
You're welcome.
I know how the original design document of C++ was. "Overload all the things!"
 
I think the reason facebook requires a minimal pixel width for their pics is so people can't scale their pictures to look more slim
 
dude, believe me. that is a good thing.
I remember having thumbnails bigger than the actual uploaded picture, in some sites I coded
 
I can't get fat.
I try it, but I fail repeatedly.
 
1:48 PM
It was the same with me Martinho, until I started lifting weights
 
"Eat to live, don't live to eat." Such an old quote.
 
It's really cool too, because if you have this type of metabolism and naturally your body is lean, the results show up really quickly
 
@hexa Exercise made you fat?
 
not fat, but getting weight
if that is what you meant
 
Ah. I weigh 60 kilos. I'm really light.
 
1:49 PM
there are fat people where all the fatness is muscles
 
...
you serious?
 
@MartinhoFernandes How tall are you?
 
You'd need two of you to make me then.
 
60kilos is very light xD
 
Not sure. My ID card reads 1.68 m, but it's a bit old. I'm somewhere around 1.70 m-1.75 m.
 
1:50 PM
im at your age and I think i'm around 70 or 75
 
Portuguese ID cards have your height on it?
 
You guys have ID cards? Is this 1984?
 
my 5 years old ID card says: height = 185cm
 
Anyway, I was around that too, 59-60kg and 1.69m. In two years i got to 71kg. Now I am at 72kg but i've been unable to train for almost 6 months now :( So a lot of muscle turned into fat :(
 
1:54 PM
@KerrekSB I couldn't help myself so I added support for manipulating lvalue futures and all of the binary operators (plus their assignment forms). It breaks 4.6.1 though, you may want to remove the assignment forms (i.e. DEFINE_LAZY_OPASSIGN).
 
I keep failing with this line of code: if (userid = 0) showAdModule(**ptr);
 
I am about 1.85m and about 60kilo (had to look up the conversions)
 
@KajToet That really doesnt tell us much
@Collecter for real?
 
So if you do exercise, you're stuck with it for life.
 
1:55 PM
@hexa yes. I am very skinny
 
@ÓlafurWaage Seriously... I'm tired of carrying a driver's license when the cops can look up my whole government transaction history with my car's license plate.
 
Meh, imperial units.
 
it doesn't depend much on exercising I think. the majority is in your genes
 
But.... but.... but..... you can lie about who you are.....
 
@hexa I keed. if (userid = 0)... oldest joke in history
 
1:56 PM
@Xaade We have ID cards and driver's licenses.
 
Anyone that can lie about who they are, and pass off as another person when a cop looks up a picture..... can make a fake ID.
 
@KajToet Oh, I missed that ;)
 
@Xaade we have drivers licences and debet cards as "ID's" but our social security number is not a secret, so we just remember that and people can look us up
 
We have social security numbers and ID card numbers.
 
My point being..... cops can just have a photo database lookup. How much different from a card is that?
 
1:57 PM
often you can make a fake id by scanning your pasport, editing it in paint and printing it out, saying you lost your pasport or something
 
same here, ID card, Driver's license, Security Number card
 
How much different from a card id is a photo lookup.....
Simple question.
It's not really.
 
We just have one social security number and the whole system is based on that.
 
It's way different.
@ÓlafurWaage Yeah, but your country makes sense.
 
1:58 PM
But, officially, your driver's license can replace all of those. But stupidly enough some places don't accept your driver's license and request the other documents... so instead of fighting everyone with the standard in my hands I just carry the docs around
 
That's an unfair advantage.
 
You get pulled over for speeding. Tell the cop your SS Number or ID number, cop does a lookup.... sees a picture..... and then can ID you.
 
@MartinhoFernandes we rarely do that though.
 
What's so different @Martin. This is the modern digital age..... If you can pass a photo check, you can pass with a fake ID.
 
cops on foot wont be able to do that @Xaade
 
1:59 PM
Cops on foot will detain people anyway
 
You need to remember you ID number.
That won't work.
 
ZOMG.... remember my ID number..... go to effin college.... I had to write it so many times, I can speak it backwards
 
There are another 6 thousand million+ people in the world, you know.
 
And???
 
The fact that you can, is practically meaningless.
 
2:01 PM
also, if you find a lookalike person, you just tell his id# next time the police bust you
 
@Kaj Or give the cop his ID?
 
for example your brother :)
 
@KajToet Happened before.
 
Now i just need to find my doppelganger
 
@Xaade It's a physical object. You need to steal or fake it.
 
2:02 PM
Lookalike person can waltz into social security, get a SS card, then a driver's license.
 
true, but much less likely
 
If I looked like someone else, I could have their SS card, birth cert, driver's license, and credit cards in a week
 
Plus, having a physical object that doesn't require batteries or bandwidth to identify you has clear advantages.
 
really? tell me how XD @Xaade
 
@KerrekSB It's well-defined to write to the int and read from the array of char, not vice versa.
 
2:05 PM
Walk into SS office, sign up for the SS card, request a temporary ID. Use Temp ID to get printout Driver's License. Use printout Driver's License to reset bank password and get temporary checks and have a credit card on the way to the new house you "just moved to"
 
So @Xaade how many times have you had to fake a new identity?
 
None.... but I had to start over when I lost all my documents
 
@Xaade That might be so crazy it could work >:) However, I do think you'd need some background info on your victim
 
@KajToet Facebook.
 
@KerrekSB I have one more feature!
 
2:08 PM
Mmm yeah that might suffice
You know Derren Brown?
Should look him up on youtube when you have the time
 
Why? He looks like @Xaade?
 
Ghehe, dunno. No, he has some cool tricks with tricking people into taking his white paper as money and such
And lots of crazy stuff
Back in 15
 
Who is the python geek here?
 
The @Cat has badges.
 
@CatPlusPlus I want to execute a shell command like this "echo "Hello World" | someprogram" and I'm trying to do so with subprocess.
 
2:16 PM
oh hi
 
command = "echo 'Hello World' | someprogram"
args = shlex.split(command)
subprocess.Popen(args)
 
Point being I had to start over and all I had to do was walk in and say it was me.
If I had looked like someone else, I could have walked in and said I was them.
 
nvm, found out how
 
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I want to build a c++ library
 
@Xaade How don't see how having no cards would prevent that.
 
user5177570
2:21 PM
but I dont know how to ask the right question at stackoverflow...as the last time I asked the topic got deviated due to less
 
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specifics from y side
 
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my*
 
@MartinhoFernandes My point is that cards prevent nothing.
 
mru
ha the c++ channel is also a python channel
 
This is a template lounge.
 
2:22 PM
@Xaade But cards have advantages.
 
user5177570
ah ok
 
Identity theft has run rampant.
Police can't even ask if someone is an illegal alien.
@MartinhoFernandes Fine, if they don't prevent anything and only offer a few advantages, make them optional.
 
I'd go for biometrics myself
 
@DeadMG That's my point. Cards offer nothing more than what scanning the person physically. We know so many things are unique (finger, eye, tongue)
 
Cards don't require batteries or bandwidth.
 
2:24 PM
All a card does is cause you trouble when you lose it.
 
card readers are a lot cheaper to use and maintain than biometric readers
 
@MartinhoFernandes Neither does punch cards.
 
and people would get angsty about having their bank know their fingerprint
or retinal scan
 
Then don't bank?
 
heh
 
2:25 PM
fingerprint is way safer than the credit situation now.
 
@Xaade Where I live I'm not required to have ID on me at all times. This means that in practice ID works like any kind of bureaucratic form to prove one's identity.
 
I personally would be absolutely fine with that solution
 
mru
@user494461 whats your problem? where do you struggle?
 
Someone can't cut off my finger to steal my identity
If they do, there's bigger problems
 
they can, if they're desperate
but they can't walk into a bank and hold up a dismembered finger to access your money
 
2:26 PM
Our ID cards have fingerprints on them.
 
Yeah, now you just put your fingerprint on a moving object. Good job.... I steal your card, I can replicate your finger.
 
@ÓlafurWaage Popen(..., shell = True)
 
@Xaade Someone can e.g. get a glass you have used and impersonate you just the same, just like it has happened to a German minister (of immigration?).
 
Wear gloves?
 
Biometrics are bullshit.
 
2:27 PM
@Xaade You're still talking about the Real World™?
 
Do a bumpmap print of the fingerprint on the card.
bam... finger replicated.
 
that's why I propose retinal scan
 
Sounds good
 
@DeadMG I agree, but retinal scans are quite expensive
 
They'd have to steal your eye
 
2:29 PM
@Xaade: Actually, I had an idea about that too
imagine an ATM with a touch screen where the elements are randomly laid out
 
Scan their eye with your hi-tech phone?
 
Retinal scans are expensive because they're allowed to be. If everyone had the need for a scanner, they wouldn't be expensive.
 
if you can't actually see out of the eye you're using, you won't be able to find the button that says "DISPENSE CASH"
 
@DeadMG You often think about stealing people's eyes?
 
@DeadMG Um.... if you're holding an eye up, you can see with your own eyes?
 
2:31 PM
Eventually technology might arise where one could use a contactlense I guess
 
I think someone dangling an eye at a bank ATM would be visible and recorded on camera.
 
Eye-on-a-fork.
 
@Xaade: Well I was more thinking that the scanner and ATM would be in one
so you can only see the screen if you're up to the scanner
 
HAHAHAH, I have to look into the screen....
 
not just scan-to-turn-on or something
 
2:32 PM
They should make the scanner on a rope.... so you can pull the ATM into your car.
 
lol
 
People prefer to just bust ATMs open and take the money within.
 
I just wish they'd get around to making windshield HUDs standard in all cars.
 
Lot less hassle.
Or just coerce the owners to withdraw cash themselves.
 
Go get the money for us. If that doesn't work, we'll take your eye
 
2:34 PM
everythingusb.com/hoyos-eyelock-21153.html Guess retinal scanning can be cheap
 
@KajToet Mwahaha.... enough demand and everything gets cheap.
Which is why medical is so expensive.... it circumvents supply and demand.
 
Anyway, what do you do to people that get cataracts?
 
remove them
the cataracts not the people
 
ghehe
 
lol
 
2:36 PM
Sorry.... you have white stuff in your eye.... go to california, it'll be sending into ocean at some point.
 
oh, sorry, I can't use your ATM because I have cataracts. DIE SCUM!
 
Or, you fall back onto less secure means.
Having them remember their account number.
 
then every criminal would have "cataracts"
 
Because lor knows all I need is a check right now anyway
Really.... every criminal would willingly make it hard to see.
 
no, they'd just get some blurry contact lens or something
 
2:37 PM
cataracts can be removed by surgery
 
Yeah, I chose to be blind so I can rob a bank, everyone sit still, my gun fires in random directions.
 
add contact lens, get cash, remove contact lens, shoot cashier, escape
 
"Give me a bag full of money. Make ssure it is money this time, last time you loaded it down with printer paper"
 
Have fun doing that.
Asking the trashcan to open its register usually signals the end of a bank robbery.
 
Or you can buy a new eye like Tom Cruise did
 
2:39 PM
???
 
in that movie, I forgot the name hang on
 
@Xaade: Thanks, I will. Me and my buddies from prison are gonna go get some practice on a local bank soon
 
Oh
 
Kid, remember this: movies are not real.
 
Minority Report.
 
2:40 PM
It will save your life.
 
movies are no reel.
 
@Xaade that one
 
movies are memory schticks
reel dead
 
Eventually a DNA scanner will come, hopefully before people will be buying new eyes
 
@CatPlusPlus any way to grab the output with that method, currently it's just dumping it to the console.
 
2:40 PM
@KajToet That's not unambiguous.
(No idea if retinal patterns are, though.)
 
Ok.... now the criminals are going to radiate themselves until their DNA changes.....
Problem solved.
 
@Xaade What, in all the cells?
 
Problem solved, really. They're now dead.
 
@Martin got it.
 
@ÓlafurWaage p = Popen(..., stdout = subprocess.PIPE). docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html
 
2:42 PM
Radiation does not work like in Fallout.
 
New problem created. The ones who lived got super powers
 
Damn rads.
 
I love fallout radiation....
 
But I think a brainscan would be the coolest :) Like having a hash value of your brain stored in a database and then to check on that XD
 
Can you say 4 arms?
 
2:42 PM
There's a pill that fixes all your dna and restores renegade cells.
 
@KajToet Creepy.
 
@CatPlusPlus ya I'm currently reading that, just getting fun errors :) working on it
 
@KajToet Shit, must stop thinking so pass the scan.... no really it's me.
We've determined its not you since you're not thinking about porn right now.
 
@Xaade ghehe
 
"It's really me!" is a bit tautological.
 
2:44 PM
Shoot the other one, he's the evil twin (also tautological)
 
There are non-evil twins?
 
But quicksave first.
 
No no.... he's the evil twin.
 
Quicksave is for losers.
 
The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.
 
2:45 PM
No..... I'm the evil twin.....
shit
 
When we have 10000 members, we'll have 10000 members!
 
Quicksave is wonderful.
 
@CatPlusPlus I would never have guessed!
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
2:46 PM
I usually end up just getting the emulator version so I can quicksave through the whole game and get all the special stuff.
Plus, loading saves is faster since you don't have to use the ingame menu.
 
Emulator version of what.
 
I do not like emulators much. I collect old games. Sell me your old games and consoles!
 
Meh, consoles.
 
Yeah right.... $1000 for a old Nintendo..... not!
 
old games rocks!!!
 
2:48 PM
gog.com
 
Offtopic: is there a place for starting innovative projects (thats regularly visited?)
 
emulate for free... buy physical version from a basement dweller for way more than he'll need to leech off of.
 
@KajToet I can't even fathom how that would work.
 
mru
github?
 
Bitbucket > github.
 
2:49 PM
Bitbucket >> github.
And no dongs.
 
Loldongs.
 
@Delimitry Since you are of the same opinion, you might be interested to know I am trying to build a handheld n64 that uses the actual carts.
 
Also why are you trying to bitshift bitbucket into github?
 
@mru it's not so much a software project, more a project for programmers (and not about coffee or cats)
 
@KajToet what is the project?
 
2:51 PM
Why would we need a project that's not about coffee or cats.
 
wow this room has got busy of late
 
@CatPlusPlus bitbucket ≫ github.
 
@Collecter kalpha.com/beachcore a quick setup that explains the basics
 
@MartinhoFernandes Is that bitshift operator melting?
 
howdy
 
2:52 PM
@CatPlusPlus It's the "much greater than" operator.
 
> Enjoy the sun
DAYSTAR, IT BURNS.
 
:)
Enjoy the glare on your screen!
 
@KajToet I do not want to work under the scare-ball!
 
I don't like to work in the Big Room with the Blue Ceiling.
 
@Collecter When you're having as much rain as in the netherlands, youll enjoy it goddamnit!
 
2:54 PM
I like rain.
 
@Martinho Because its a good excuse not to go outside?
 
I don't need excuses to not go outside.
 
No, because rain feel nice.
 
apart from being wet and cold, you mean?
 
You know, rain is the number 1 enemy of the cativor
 
2:56 PM
@KajToet I stay outside the Big Room with the Blue Ceiling.
 
@KajToet I normally live in a place where we have snow from november to the end of may. I love snow and do not want that to change any time soon.
 
Lol.
I'm slow. I need to go home.
 
Damn, you guys are pessimistic about the sun :( I feel sorry for sun
 
I feel sorry for victims of the sun.
That crazy bastard.
 
@jalf It has some... unpleasant aftereffects, yes, but so does getting drunk.
 
2:58 PM
Getting drunk + the sun = totally high
Experienced it bad..
 
Getting drunk midday is alcoholism.
 
unless it's the weekend right? or you are on vacation
 
@KajToet not pessimistic. I just like snow better
 
Or you wake up at midnight.
 

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