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1:00 AM
@Lalaland yep
 
@jaggedSpire hello~
 
@ChemiCalChems I mean, I Obama didn't close down Guantanamo... he was way more motivated. Trump is used to having his businesses fail. And just setting up new vanity firms (how about hotdogs? Trump steak? Shoes?)
 
@Borgleader hey friend!
 
@sehe i'd forgotten about guantanamo, you are right
 
@sehe Sorry for insulting you or whatever happened
 
1:01 AM
It's ok. Like I said, it's been a useful conversation for me too
 
@Shoe sorry for having been such an aggressive prick too, i lose my mind in these arguments
 
It's good to vent. It's even better not to get adrift with fear. Let's deal with our problems with good attention. Be awake and apply ourselves. Not much more we can do. We can't wish our problems away
 
@Jois Dude, come on
 
@sehe stupid example, but apollo 13 is an example of the impossible being achieved
we need leaders like gene kranz again
 
1:03 AM
@Jois You're making a toy ORM?
 
Lets ban him for posting a Java repo
 
Let's not. But tempting :)
 
One day I will have mod powers
 
He's posting it in a bunch of rooms, well at least PHP room
 
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@Mikhail And that day can be today!
 
1:06 AM
@Jois You are being rude. Please stop spamming your repo on other chatrooms too.
 
user406009
@Shoe In all seriousness, there is an interesting question of what you can do to help with integration.
 
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One simple rule would be requiring all children to learn the local language.
 
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@Shoe thx /cc @Borgleader
@Lalaland The children invariably lead. But it does get hampered by long stays in asylum centres
 
@Lalaland Why not also parents?
 
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@Shoe That too. There is an interesting article about this: bbc.com/news/uk-35338413
 
1:10 AM
@Shoe +1 that
Expect them to, and enable them. It's a bit like we positively expect people to observe lounge ethics in the lounge.
 
user406009
> Mr. Cameron said some "menfolk" in Muslim communities were fostering segregation by preventing women from learning English or leaving home alone, and that could not be allowed to continue.
 
In the US we learn how industrialists like Henry Ford made English classes mandatory.
 
user406009
Mr. Cameron could be full of BS though. Can't always tell with politicians.
 
user406009
@Jois Most of us don't really care.
 
@Jois Go to the fucking Java Oracle $$$$ room
@Jois Yes I fucking do
@Jois Its mother fucking 2016
 
1:13 AM
@Jois i'd recommend you didn't piss off the c++ crowd
 
@Lalaland In all likelihood, the motives might be more pedestrian: if they can isolate they "womanfolk" they have implicit power. Also, sentimentalism/clinging to the wellknown is at play
 
we will make all your programs NullPtrException
 
@Telkitty Morning
lol
 
morning
 
1:13 AM
ok
 
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user406009
Only a fool wouldn't be scared of C++ :P
4
 
im here boss
 
Kicked.
 
That escalated so quickly
 
1:15 AM
ikr
 
eScala-ted
 
i was just pointing out nullptrexceptions and the guy went crazy
 
@Shoe He knew he had nothing to lose, wanted to go out with a bang
 
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@sehe Yeah. Interestingly enough, there are supposedly similar stories of language isolation in Israel with the Haredim (conservative Jewish sect).
 
@sehe Prolly
 
1:16 AM
is it good practice to ask a person directly if he has silenced you?
 
@Lalaland That is interesting. Do you have a story/source with that?
 
user406009
Looking right now.
 
@ChemiCalChems I don't think you can (assuming you mean "ignored")
 
@sehe If he doesn't respond, you can assume he has.
 
@Borgleader head tilt
 
1:18 AM
@ChemiCalChems ah. That might work :)
 
@jaggedSpire awwwwwwwwwwwww, that ear flop :3
 
@sehe i will let things be
 
user406009
Hmm, I can't seem to find the article I thought I remembered about Israel. But I did find two similar ones concerning New York. forward.com/opinion/341055/… haaretz.com/blogs/david-s-harp/.premium-1.628581
 
@sehe That degenerated quickly o.O
 
1:23 AM
@sehe Man's greatest obstacle is the physical obstacle.
 
Wow, someone got pissed off quite easily.
 
> An Israeli rabbinical court did not accept a conversion by an Orthodox rabbi who also helped Ivanka Trump become Jewish. Can't make this shit up
@Mysticial I don't think so. I think he was the bored type ("I want attention. Hey, this doesn't go as planned. Mmm. That's not agreeable. Hey, shouting is fun though, I'll just sing along, it'll be fun")
@Lalaland aw
 
user406009
@sehe Google the link.
 
user406009
Stupid companies.
 
user406009
Actually wait that won't work.
 
user406009
 
user406009
I wish google would ban those stupid sites which hide the articles if you come to them from a different link.
 
user406009
It would really improve the quality of browsing the web and sharing links.
 
user406009
And they have the power.
 
anti-trust lawsuit
 
user406009
1:38 AM
@Mikhail I mean, they already ban sites that show a different content to the google bot vs normal users.
 
I think its a little more specific then that
 
1:56 AM
I gave up on life when I picked up this girls phone and saw my contact name as "Free Food"
@Meninx Irgendwann
@Meninx Please don't spam
It's spam when you plink multiple people in a row.
Random, too.
We have the main site for that (Stack Overflow)
Nein. This is SE chat :)
 
@Meninx If you insist
 
no
 
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i just
 
2:00 AM
I told you not to spam
 
Oh, the room suddenly looked a little cleaner just now.
 
i was trying to talk to stack and then I realized that i need to press tab to get his name
okay guys who know about #include_next
 
Okay. Understood :)
 
(y)
 
@Meninx Honestly? Not many
3 mins ago, by sehe
https://stackoverflow.com/search?q=include_next
 
2:02 AM
not many of what
I need to sleep come one
it is 3 am of the morning
and I just wanna understand this thing before going to sleep
 
It's 4am here.
Good night.
 
it looks like no one have an idea here
:/
 
It looks like you don't even realize you haven't actually asked a question yet. It's not complicated. Go the the Q&A site. Fragen und Antworten.
 
Ja warum willst du nicht mir helfen ?
Ich mochte nur verstehen #include_next
dast ist alles Freund
in Q&A ich mustt auf eine Antwort warten und manchmal krieg ich keine Antwort
verstehst du warum bin ich hier ?
 
@sehe
sup
someone ban @Meninx he's talking some illegal gibberish
 
2:13 AM
are you kidding me
 
I'm serioues. someone ban him ASAP
@sehe how do you do fellow kid?
@Morwenn miss you bby
@StackedCrooked you there m8?
 
you should be banned
 
why?
CMON TELL ME WHY
I DARE YOU
@Meninx
 
@JohanLarsson can you I ask you a question please ?
 
hehehehehe
he's sleeping now
@Meninx where are you from?
@Meninx cmon we can still be friends
 
2:26 AM
you will be ignored
 
I'll try to help you if your question regards C++
=\
damn germans have no sense of humor
 
user406009
@Meninx You can ask your question here. You might or might not get an answer.
 
@Lalaland tell him I'm a good person =\
 
user406009
bitcode is pretty chill.
 
thanks bby
 
user406009
2:31 AM
And I am totally not bitcode's sock puppet. wink wink
 
yeah, he's not. wink wink
 
what is the meaning of #inlcude_next
 
user406009
@Meninx Don't know. Never used it. Don't plan to.
 
okay
 
are we talking about C++ or C here?
" It means, “Include the next file with this name”."
you are welcome, german friend
 
 
1 hour later…
Not nice in Nice
 
 
1 hour later…
5:16 AM
TIL the steering wheel in French is volant. The Czech for steering wheel is volant as well, except obviously with different pronunciation.
@Telkitty Yeah.
 
how can a truck kill 77 pedestrians??
where were the traffic polices?
 
@Telkitty What could the police possibly do? It is not like they had mobile walls or trenches around the area.
They shot him in the end.
 
well, here, trucks over certain tonnage could only drive on certain roads, during certain hours, under certain speed
I have never seen a huge truck in the CBD unless it's for construction at a particular place
and usually they were allowed only at night
 
5:32 AM
@Telkitty Yes. However, does the terrorist care about the rules? It is not like there is a police check on every corner in a city of that size.
 
The more population a city has, the more police presence
 
6:28 AM
I've got a freelancing job offer for web-dev for a community I've been in for a while. Although I know the basics of many languages involved (and I have a lot of general coding practice), I'm not very experienced with web development. The offer is for any skill level, though they ask me to quote an hourly cost. Would my inexperience be a reason not to pursue it?
 
no, that’s more of a thing for your employer to contemplate
 
At least 84 people have been killed and dozens more injured in the Nice attack including three Australians, according to the Foreign Minister.
Nice attack ...
 
True. The last thing I want is to jump in thinking I'm a hotshot, then realize I'm in over my head, but they are aware I'm entry-level and would need to learn on the job
 
Driver of Nice truck fired pistol before being shot dead
Nice truck ...
 
@Telkitty I'd laugh at the irony, except that it's grave~
 
6:35 AM
@wilx steering wheel in portuguese is volante.
 
tragic indeed
 
Btw, how would I come to a fair quote for hourly cost (being new to production coding)?
 
7:13 AM
@Aaron3468 I would look around how much other companies pay. If you want hourly cost for a non-employ consultant, use that of employ and slap on at least 20 % more?
Unsure.
 
the French guys should just send in the tanks against Islamic State
it's clear they won't stop attacking
 
@Meninx smart move. I'm sorry for the behaviour of biicode
@Telkitty you had to go there...
 
@Puppy That does not solve the guerilla war they are fighting on their own soil.
I mean, if you are aiming at that.
 
@Telkitty they have but one
 
I agree ISIS needs to be defeated by boots on the ground.
@sehe It was a good joke! :)
 
7:26 AM
@wilx Well, they are being supported, financed, etc from Syria.
so it would be a start.
 
Well, it would certainly disrupt something.
 
@Telkitty Sure, blame the traffic police for not having... what? Magically stopped a rogue truck?
Did Hollande really pull a "think of the children", though?
 
Nov 13 '15 at 23:39, by chmod 666 telkitty
Jun 26 at 12:47, by chmod 711 telkitty
why is france targeted by isis?
Nov 13 '15 at 23:58, by chmod 666 telkitty
Seriously, France should have stricter anti-terrorist laws ... Australian do preamble strikes at suspects homes.
get them before they get to you
 
user1804599
yummy
 
user1804599
ice cream
 
7:40 AM
@Telkitty Clearly that's why nothing happens there.
 
user1804599
dat flag
 
flag hunter
 
Definitely not because Australia is an island and no one cares about them.
 
user1804599
there was an attack in Australia a few years ago
 
In happier news (unless you're a Big Organic idiot): oxitec.com/…
 
user1804599
7:41 AM
in a restaurant
 
by a single loser
 
You mean like in Nice?
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice
 
It's quite good living on a large farming island with sparse population and plenty of natural resources that no one else care about
 
It depends.
Tell that to aborigines.
It was quite good for them. Until.
 
7:49 AM
shit
I went to bed at 3am yesterday
but we have a portal to Nether
 
No more Nice puns please
10
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Astonishing achievement.
 
user1804599
I found 7 obsidian in a village, which is super nice.
 
user1804599
Saves lots of mining time. :3
 
7:53 AM
Also, AFAIK no lounger is from Nice, so no reason to be concerned for them.
 
@Bassie eh dunno didn't take that long
the longest part is mining for diamonds
I fell into lava
 
user1804599
You can also just create a mold and pour lava and water into it.
 
user1804599
No need to mine obsidian at all.
 
but in like one day of playtime we gathered about 8 stacks of iron, a stack of gold, a few diamonds
@Bassie hmm yeah indeed
didn't think about it
well good because I'm gonna have to place a lot of portals
 
user1804599
I used to do that back when I thought finding three diamonds was difficult.
 
7:56 AM
nether railroad has another super important advantage: consumes 8x less iron
 
user1804599
> The simplest method is to pour water over lava source blocks, either in a naturally-occurring lava pool or transported in buckets. A more advanced (and renewable) method is to take advantage of Nether portals being created when no destination portal is in range or the recreation of the 5×5 platform when using the End portal.
 
well yes you only need to build half of them
if you measure right
 
user1804599
Nice, get a pickaxe with Efficiency V, and put a beacon with Haste II in the End and get easy fast obsidian mine.
 
user1804599
25 blocks at a time.
 
user1804599
You can also mine those huge pillars in the End. They're made of solid obsidian so you get shittons.
 
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8:03 AM
Solve this mystery: A countess is found murdered in a labyrinth. Beside her is a testicle and a diamond necklace.
 
but then again
 
CSS is easy. It’s like riding a bike, which is on fire and the ground is on fire and everything is on fire because it is hell.
 
if you use 10/station
I can't imagine having more than 10-15 stations
that's not so bad
 
@JerryCoffin I am indeed
 
hmm google 3D view of maps is pretty impressive
 
8:31 AM
also apparently Aruba Cloud gives 1GB RAM servers for 5PLN a month
 
hey bois
 
sweet, got my trading platform access back
crap it went up
 
@LucDanton Yeah I realised you were from Southwest and not Southeast.
 
8:50 AM
I'm on a boat with Bluetooth
 
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9:01 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds like a bloat.
 
Ven
9:13 AM
@ThePhD am from paris
(one of the few)
 
Xeo
9:36 AM
> Nested containers are not supported.
UNREEAAAAAAAL
 
KHAAAAAAAAN
 
ISIS didn't claim responsibility! Probably terrorists learnt to think before act because of the gay Orlando shooter thing.
In case some dirty deeds of the shooter got dug out
 
9:59 AM
It was moderate French rebels
 
10:34 AM
golf clap @Abyx
@BartekBanachewicz you should do this more often. Sound investment strategy
@ChemiCalChems hm?
 
@sehe just saying high
 
I noticed
 
@ChemiCalChems While keeping an otherwise low profile? :p
 
@BartekBanachewicz were you not feeling well?
 
10:55 AM
I haven’t used qualifying in so long I forgot I should be using qualifiying_t
 
@sehe why, France-sponsored moderate rebels do the same
 
Maybe just say what you mean
 
@Xeo Huh?
Also, semantic question.
Right now, my system takes any type: if that type has a begin and end which are iterators, it will automatically serialize it as an array / table.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing, as far as default semantics go?
 
11:19 AM
Also, another bikeshed question. If I have a type trait I want the user to override,
is it a good idea to expose a SFINAE-able type at the end, and have template <typename T, typename = void> struct my_trait { ... }; ?
 
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11:41 AM
@sehe I didn't get this until right now XD
 
user1804599
"MITM" apparently is short for "man in the middle" i.e. mister in between
 
no, not really
the user already can do SFINAE in specializations
template<typename T, typename /* magic */> struct my_trait<my_type<T>> { };
 
11:58 AM
TIL, I didn't think that was possible.
I need to set up a donation box for sol2 or something.
Surely someone finds it useful.
 
12:15 PM
@milleniumbug not like that
 
Overload resolution and SFINAE are killing me today.
 
nice terrorism ...
seriously, ppl ...
 
nwp
apparently CNN doesn't read the starboard
 
@nwp CNN ಠ_ಠ
 
12:41 PM
@sehe I played minecraft :P
 
1:00 PM
@LucDanton ok, yet restriction that doesn't make sense at first
 
@milleniumbug it does, the primary template is the one with the defaults
there’s literally nothing to default
 
1:15 PM
yo
 
oy
 
how's everyone?
 
nice
 
but the starboard .-.
 
1:27 PM
 
what a n*** xkcd
look, now we have another N-word
 
augh
 
good morning vietnam
 
@c0pyc4t ...from the delta to the DMZ.
 
2:09 PM
@jaggedSpire Friday :D Debugging sucks T_T
 
@Borgleader Uh oh. Weird physics bugs in the systems?
Also, I never asked. What are you working on in Gamedev land?
 
2:33 PM
3D
@ThePhD nope somewhere deep in the gpu
 
@Borgleader those are the worst
 
what flavor?
Cuda? OpenCL?
 
2:58 PM
@ChemiCalChems This doesn't make much sense to me. The west in general and the US in particular have been targets of anger and hatred in the area since long before invading Iraq (e.g., Iran hostage crisis, in 1979). Looking specifically at Syria, the US (the CIA, to be more precise--most Americans had no involvement or idea) backed a coup that overthrew the legally elected government in the late 1940's.
 
@JerryCoffin It's a very complex matter, definitely, and I think I talked without really knowing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was battling ubuntu on EFI boot with lvm on luks crypto
 
@sehe you're such a hacker
 
@JerryCoffin I think it's fair to say that all of our 'fixes' have in general made the situation worse
 
@BartekBanachewicz ubuntu is just very creative in making it fail
And worse: I finally admitted defeat and did a fresh, full-disk, "do-what-you-prefer-installer-please" standard install, and YET it managed to bork boot today.
Turns out something sometimes breaks initrd to lack cryptsetup.
So much for "vanilla" full-disk encryption setups
 
3:07 PM
@sehe lol
@lindhartsen No it didn't work Chris nothing works in Linux
tay got it figured before you
 
@Mgetz I'd tend to agree--mostly because most of our "fixes" have been both short sighted, and aimed at relatively narrow targets. For quite a while, the target was simply to minimize the spread of "communism", so we backed pretty much anybody who disliked Russia.
 
It becomes even harder when the target isn't even a country anymore.
Ooooh, the post-Oulu mailing is available :o
 
3:26 PM
@JerryCoffin that still seems to be our MO
it might not always be russia... but the action is still the same
 
3:40 PM
SO important. Please watch and share what police did to THE WRONG man. Jeopardizing his entire future in the process https://amp.twimg.com/v/fff5673d-a946-4799-94b1-3fcba7462c49
US is all fucked up. If they do such things to their own citizens - guess what they do to foreigners
 
ok..... ever have behavior of code change based on release vs debug configuration? even though there is no conditional debug code?
 
magic, undefined behaviour, or both
 
so here is the best part... in release mode in the debugger it works...
and if I register the release mode build files.. .and run outside the debugger
 
that's indeed the best part
it may seem to work for 4h, and then it could stop randomly
 
consitantly broken at least
I can reproduce it on demand
only outside of the debugger though
 
3:49 PM
well if it's consistent, you're lucky enough
it doesn't have to if it's UB
 
user6022288
hey
 
now I'm scratching my head... never faced off against a problem like this in 10 years
 
@Mgetz Quite true. I use past tense not to indicate that anything has changed, only that we (the people) generally don't know about anything new until it's already been in place for at least a while.
 

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