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Ven
3:01 PM
@rightfold holy. fuck.
 
What's "RS" in "fuckrs" supposed to mean?
 
Ven
just not enough chars for "fuckers"
 
Oh.
 
user1804599
fuck Rust
 
I don't get it, though.
 
Ven
3:04 PM
@ThePhD everybody is praising her because she's very courageous etc etc. Turns out she's a racist piece of shit who thinks hitler didn't do a good enough job (literally)
 
Oh, there's wasnt some kind of hidden joke in that.
It was literally just her being a PoS.
 
Ven
Only irony.
 
SHRUG.
 
Ven
now, it's obviously possible people dom edited/"photoshopped" that..:)
 
@blelbach I'm so sorry to have burned out your time. I sent a pseudonym for my presentation over to Jon Kalb hours before this after he sent me an e-mail. If that Pseudonym doesn't work, "John 'Phantom Derpstorm' Doe" is just what I'll do. Again, I'm very sorry to have burned out your time like this.
Also holy fucking shit, a 30 minute phone conversation?
 
user1804599
3:08 PM
yeah, could be a photoshop, though geenstijl is generally very reliable source
 
@ThePhD John Doe is almost but not quite as pseudonymy as the other one though. I mean cmon be creative :P
 
Yeah, be creative, man.
 
"Be creative - What? Phantom Derpstorm no are you insane."
 
For the public, make up a name that looks real and be done with that.
 
"Bob".
 
3:10 PM
"Phantom Derpstorm" looks like a name of a character you are playing in a video game.
It's really, really not good enough for a software conference.
Unless you want others not to take you seriously...?
 
Nobody takes me seriously until I actually give a presentation, real or not.
 
That's not how it works.
 
Nobody at school took me seriously until I gave my presentation. Under which I used the name "ThePhD"
 
If people don't take you seriously, they won't come to the talk.
As simple as that.
You must first appear serious to get people to treat you seriously.
It doesn't work any other way.
 
nwp
people associate university level of quality with PhD, not a derpstorm
 
user1804599
3:13 PM
@ThePhD You are insane.
 
At least on the internet you can have any name and nobody cares as long as they can pull your code and it works great.
 
nwp
@rightfold inb4 "no, my mother had me tested"
 
You know, the shit that matters: the actual engineering.
 
Yes; but that's the primary difference between the internet and the real world.
 
user1804599
Engineering is when you operate engines.
 
user1804599
3:15 PM
gonna go to the dentist tomorrow
 
user1804599
getting the little hole in my tooth filled
 
Ven
rightfold's getting her little hole filled tomorrow?
 
user1804599
there's a little hole in my tooth because I was naughty and didn't brush well
 
You current name must sucks ass
 
user1804599
or something else happened
 
user1804599
3:19 PM
I don't know
 
To bring up all this drama about your real name you must be really ashamed of it
Jesus Christ
 
It's 2 days that this name thing is going on
I'm tired of it already
 
Ven
why so angry shoe
constantly these past days
lounger anger
 
I'm not angry, just tired of this shit
 
3:22 PM
What's all this name thingy?
 
Ven
@Morwenn ThePhD's name
@Shoe okay. you act a bit differently than your usual lovely self
 
Oh.
 
@ThePhD If you use a silly pseudonym, you're just drawing attention to the fact that you want to hide your real name. If you just use a "normal-looking" pseudonym no one will even think about it.
 
@Shoe TBF he didnt bring it up today, someone else did.
 
Ven
Mh, anyone using Helm with emacs? I wanted to switch from Ido but there are things I don't know how to get.
 
3:23 PM
If I were CppCon organizers I would have just replied with "Oh, fuck off, we don't have time for this".
He is disrespecting people like nothing
 
user1804599
@Ven what is helm?
 
IIRC he even resubmitted and even sillier name then Phantom Derpstorm later on
I mean, are you intentionally wasting their time?
 
"Even sillier".
It sounds like a real name.
 
No, it does not
 
what
 
3:25 PM
Snap the fuck out of it Phd
 
@ThePhD No, it doesn't.
 
Ven
@rightfold completion things. I use it with Projectile, gives me an even better CtrlP
 
"Phantom Derpstorm"? No, it doesn't.
 
user1804599
> Unlike Haskell, Elm has no support for higher-kinded types
 
user1804599
looool
 
3:25 PM
The speaker's name shouldn't matter as long as the topic is interesting.
 
Phantom derpstorm is what I submitted first, when I made the submission, holy crap.
 
It matters for legal reasons
 
Someone e-mailed me HOURS ago, when I was ACTUALLY STILL AWAKE,a nd I got back to them.
 
Ven
@rightfold yeah
@Morwenn oh well vOv
 
@ThePhD Why the fuck are you making this big of a deal out of this?
 
3:26 PM
@Shoe Unless they pay your hotel stay or flights, I don't see how it would matter.
 
Because identity is a big deal.
 
nwp
I encapsulated so well that I can't pass my stuff around without breaking everything or using a global variable ... I'm doing something wrong
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Making sure he's not an axe murderer?
 
Ven
I talked at a conference as "Vende Thiel" and no one gave a fuck.
 
6 hours ago, by blelbach
e.g. It is difficult to ensure that we have our legal bases covered in terms of publishing recordings if we do not know the name of the person who gave permission for it to be recorded.
 
3:27 PM
@Shoe Oh. But that doesn't have to be public, though.
 
6 hours ago, by blelbach
If the speaker is actually underaged, the conference has to know about that because we have to have their parents sign a form.
Nobody said it will be public
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it doesn't, and Bryce did say that explicitly.
 
They need to know. The organizers.
 
@Ven Frankly that actually looks like a name.
 
@Shoe Wow, so he's being even dumber than I thought.
 
3:27 PM
...unlike Phantom Derpstorm.
 
nwp
@Griwes sounds dutch
 
They asked me about the BROCHURE and PROGRAM name, AFTER I made my first submission with Phantom Derpstorm in the name fields. WHen they told me I needed to be serious, I submitted a real goddamn fucking pseudonym.
 
Ven
@Griwes someone came to me and said "I never realized it was your real name!" I was like "uh no it's not"
 
@Ven "Thiel" is an actual surname (cursory googling yielded en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel)
 
I didn't just flip my shit and tell them to go fuck off.
 
3:28 PM
@ThePhD Wait, what.
 
Why blechbach was given such pushback after I had already sent an e-mail back to the person who INITIALLY e-mailed me is BEYOND me.
 
"serious (...) real (...) pseudonym"
 
They still need your real fucking name for legal reasons.
 
They'll get my real name when they ask me if I need a plane ticket.
 
nwp
@Shoe I understand now
 
3:29 PM
@ThePhD No.
 
My submission isn't evne fucking accepted.
Good fuck.
 
@ThePhD Okay, if that's what you intend to tell them... @blelbach, I recommend ignoring that submission :/
 
They'll get it when they ask you for it to get consent to record and publish your talk.
Well, apparently not even then.
 
@ThePhD You really don't get the amount of legal nonsense that's going on around a huge even like that, right?
There's a fuckload of it.
 
@Griwes I meant that there's no need for a plane ticket.
 
3:31 PM
Err.
Misarrow.
 
Yeah, Phd doesn't deserve the plain ticket
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which is something that I believe they require you to sign something for and confirm? At which point on the line I sign my legal name down and all of that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry.
 
@ThePhD No, not really.
 
O.. Okay, then.
 
Ell
3:32 PM
@Shoe because he doesn't want to use his real name?
 
@ThePhD No, you don't sign anything - you, as you, i.e. the legal you, when submitting the talk, mark a tickbox to indicate you give them rights to record the talk and publish the recording.
 
bullshit
 
@ThePhD And even if you had to sign something, they'd want your name to print it.
 
@Ell No, because he seems to be acting like a fool
I guess there must be a reason for all this drama, but I can't figure out a reason
 
3:33 PM
@Ell He doesn't want to provide his real name to the organizers of a public event where he wants to speak publicly.
 
@Ell Because he doesn't appreciate the amount of legalese that's going on around the whole thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't want my real name published on the program. I've made that perfectly clear in my e-mails. If they need my real name for anything else I'll happily provide it.
How nobody can get that after I've said that multiple times is beyond me.
 
Ven
@ThePhD you seem to fit perfectly in the question I asked earlier & you quoted then.
 
Maybe it's because I'm programming in JS, but if I were them I'd have given up a while ago.
 
5 mins ago, by ThePhD
They'll get my real name when they ask me if I need a plane ticket.
Prolly because this attitude?
 
3:35 PM
@Griwes It's an example of something that would require my real name: e.g., I'd have to bring my passport and actually travel.
 
They say they reject 50% of the submissions. You gotta wonder what kind of submissions are those.
 
@ThePhD Okay, here's the deal. First of all, they don't ask that; you need to ask them for that.
Second, there's legal stuff going on pretty much from the moment you submit anything. Copyright-related stuff.
 
Also I don't understand. If you trust them to give your informations if you are accepted, why don't you trust them to begin with?
 
Trust has absolutely nothing to do with this.
 
3:37 PM
"We need a name on the brochure that's not the Phantom Derpstorm." -> "Okay, here's a pseudonym you can put on the program that I will use to publish."
 
@ThePhD lol
 
I sent that e-mail literally over 12 hours ago, before they apparently burned 30 minutes of @blelbach's time.
 
who's blelbach again?
 
I've got so many questions I don't even know where to begin
 
If nobody could wait 24 hours for the person who's job it was to ask me about Phantom Derpstorm and get me to submit a different name + bio to them, then I do NOT know what to tell anyone.
I even responded in less than six hours to the first person that asked me about this. Lord in heaven.
 
3:41 PM
You probably have reasonable motives, but you appear either shady or childish. I'm not sure which one is creepier.
 
Ven
stop fighting :[
 
I'm... done.
 
Yeah, me too
 
I'm going to wait for the e-mail.
 
Good luck though
 
3:43 PM
@StackedCrooked I thought of pelleK
 
@StackedCrooked Some C++ committee guy IIRC
 
I see.
 
Ven
C++ committee guy, CppCon org, and gov worker
 
@StackedCrooked s/kinda //
 
3:45 PM
@StackedCrooked Though I'm also more disgusted/angry than depressed, really.
 
I was once watching a video on Irish guys reacting to bad parents video, and one of them said something funny "they all look the same, you don't know which of them is the adult"..
 
4:01 PM
There's a difference between getting someone's name for legal purposes and publishing it for everyone
You nerds
 
Not you too
We finally moved past this
 
~~~fake name~~~ even though I use it every day; I wouldn't agree to that nonsense either, if only on principle
 
@ThePhD And then Bryce wants your actual name. Frankly that's hardly conflicting.
Either way, just fucking explaining the situation to them - instead of ranting here so that we have to put the pieces together - is the only correct way to go with this.
 
nwp
4:22 PM
what?
 
Ven
I'd pick 'Default' if I were you.
seems like the best candidate
 
nwp
tried, that, doesn't work
 
@nwp use QT Creator?
 
Try 'Default' then
 
nwp
@ProblemSlover yes
 
Ven
4:23 PM
yeah it's like the 2nd best
 
nwp
I got it to do clang-format when I press ctrl+I and some other little tricks
 
@nwp have you tried CLion? It's really awesome ide
 
nwp
@ProblemSlover I just saw it on streams, was really not impressed, but there is a chance they were just using it poorly (gz on message-ID 30650000)
 
on my computer qt works with C++11
 
Ven
you must have a good computer
 
nwp
4:26 PM
also I'm stingy with spending money on IDEs or compilers, don't really see the need
 
What's this qt thing? When I was debugging heap corruption SO posts about QT keeps popping up
 
Ven
i'm the qt
holy fuck 230 messages today >.>
 
nwp
@OneRaynyDay a library that helps you make GUIs and also has everything else
 
from what I can gather it seems like a pretty scary platform to work on if you gotta bust your ass debugging heap corruption
 
getting stuck on my current open source project.. I never knew that getting stuck on a project is one of the best sources of a good library idea
 
4:28 PM
@nwp Well it's way user friendly than qt creator. it's quite important. using qt creator is kinda I don't know.
 
Ven
@OneRaynyDay it's because Qt is awful and does a lot of free-ing for you.
 
I see :^) neat for C++, most GUI libraries are pretty prone to that stuff
 
Ven
@Khaled.K Yak-shaving!
 
@Ven qt how could you :'(
 
@nwp + It receives frequent updates unlike qt creato
 
nwp
4:29 PM
yeah, Qt really sucks in some aspects, unfortunately I have nothing better
 
user1804599
Qt is a UI library that is not React. We can conclude that it's terrible armadillo crap.
 
Ven
im sorry ; [
@rightfold wait isn't armadillo yellow
 
user1804599
Use Electron and React.
 
user1804599
Man
 
I guess you use qt creator only because it gas the ui designer
 
user1804599
4:30 PM
I'm gonna make a dungeon crawler.
 
nwp
@ProblemSlover the main reason I don't use it is that "apt-cache search clion" comes up empty
 
Ven
ew
males
disgusting
@nwp it's in java
 
nwp
ewww!
 
@rightfold text-based rpg or ..?
@nwp CLion does not have a free edition
 
@nwp give it a try man. just try it. you won't lose lol. but the only drawback in my wiew it supports Cmake only for now.
 
4:32 PM
@rightfold Are you a roguelike fan?
 
user1804599
Yeah
 
Right on brotha
 
ohh that kind of rpgs..
 
I used to play a bit of dwarf fortress
until it became way too complicated and taking over my life
 
nwp
I played some tome 4 but never got very far
 
4:35 PM
@nwp omg I did too ahha
I played a melee I don't remember exactly what, but I got to the wilderlands or whatever it's called and got destroyed - I think it was the second map or something
 
nwp
maybe pulling from head is not such a great idea after all... maybe it makes sense to stay with a version that works until it doesn't and then update
time to learn lua!
 
Damn Seems like I will have to make clean installation of my Ubuntu. upgrade wasn't successful.
duck
fuck
 
nwp
I'm on debian testing, works great
 
@nwp I was thinking to switch to Red hat lol. I'm not joking. it offers a free subscribtion. and fall into third party repository hell
 
Ell
4:57 PM
@rightfold how to compiler as library
 
Hi again.
 
Ell
hi
 
hey
 
After three unsuccessful attemps, I finally got my hands on some vinegar crisps.
 
I like ones with vinegar and salt
 
5:10 PM
Ok, that BangFit thing looks awesome.
 
Morwenn have you ever tried ketchup chips?
They are so good - vinegar comes to a close second though
 
Ell
worcestershire sauce crips best crsps
 
@OneRaynyDay I don't like those.
Actually most of the time I find crisps meh.
 
Forreals? Well shrug more in the world for me then
And I'm not even one of those overly religious ketchup eaters who put it on everything
 
@ThePhD should've said that out right
@ThePhD it's not that you've ever listened to me mentioning that a thousand times before. You always had to have a final word, you always knew better, and you kept annoyingly ignore any advice thrown your way. You wanted to be perceived as immature and unprofessional. I have absolutely no evidence to think otherwise. So feel free to call me wanker; I don't mind. I know about the image I'm presenting online. Do you?
 
5:25 PM
gaems
 
you could show some support instead
grumble grumble
 
for you against PhD?
 
Ven
I'm presenting like an immature and retarded asshole online.
It makes a lot of things easier to deal with.
 
against people calling me a wanker
 
Ell
what does it mean to differentiate a data type?
 
5:27 PM
also you're not on teamspeak dud
 
@Ven Well, you're not doing a good job at it then.
 
Ell
our lecturer showed us last semester and it intrigued me
 
can't really say either way, since I did not read the conversation
 
@Ell context
 
Ell
differentiating an algebraic data type
like tuples are products
unions are sums
the algebra also extends to differentiation
 
5:30 PM
@Ell differentiation applies to functions, to equations
 
set theory?
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can take a derivative of a type, that's not a problem; it is "equations" after all (you'll get a one hole context)
 
@Ell it’s surprisingly harder to google than I would have thought, so here’s one resource (it’s a three parter). I’m not sure if I’ve read it myself.
 
Ell
thanks :)
 
@Ell and after you realize it's way too introductory, read strictlypositive.org/diff.pdf
 
5:35 PM
@ScarletAmaranth hey it does link to the McBride paper :)
 
fair enough, bonus cookie points there ;)
 
Ven
@Morwenn maybe not with you. But that's because you're by far the nicest one in the bunch
You just say that because I read your commits :P.
 
@Ven Wow, that's kind, thanks :o
 
user1804599
Uh
 
user1804599
5:47 PM
So I need to serialize the game state
 
user1804599
Do I want to make a single player or a multi player video game?
 
Ven
@Morwenn i really don't see who else I'd say is "kind" here :p
@rightfold you never wrote a multiplayer game
 
@Ven It depends. Some people are often ironic/sarcastic but kind otherwise.
 
user1804599
@Ven so?
 
user1804599
It's not different from any other concurrent multi-user application.
 
Ven
5:53 PM
@rightfold so it's an interesting exercise!
@Morwenn thinking about sehe? :p
 
@Ven Er, I don't know whether sehe is actually nice. Sometimes it feels like he's really wanting to kill people but keeps a nice and sarcastic facade :D
 
nwp
I think I got sued for downloading something in 2013
now I have to deal with shit I don't want to deal with
I thought I'd qualify as a nice person, but now I just hate everyone like everyone else
 
user1804599
@Ven AWESOME
 
6:09 PM
@Ven I can't remember how many times I pressed backspace on ill-formed forms that prompted entry error but didn't have focus on the text box, making me end up invalidating the whole session
 
I haven't used Backspace for "Go back" ever, so even if I was using Chrome, I wouldn't be affected.
 
I sometimes wish std::contiguous_iterator_tag was a thing.
 
I still wish for it
Why it isn't
 
user1804599
@Morwenn C++17 noob
 
6:15 PM
I mean, it's not specified in C++17, only the concept for ContiguousIterator
 
@rightfold It's only a standardese definition, not an actual iterator tag.
 
maybe because all the code that dispatches wrongly will break
but meh
 
@Ven I've only had mouses with dedicated "back" and "forward" buttons since forever, so... vOv
 
@milleniumbug Because it would break code of people who explicitly check for std::random_access_iterator_tag instead of relying on inheritance ._____.
Aka because people cannot into proper coding.
 
This is why we can't have nice things
 
6:18 PM
Yup. That specific one is really sad.
 
@Ven Behavior that goes all the way back to Netscape Navigator 1.0, if memory serves.
 
Ok, so the improved patience sort is actually kinda meh. That said, I could borrow its ping-pong merge.
 
Ven
@Morwenn ah, that could make sense too
 
user1804599
I'm bored
 
Hey, just out of curiosity - did any of you guys ever contribute to boost?
 
6:32 PM
I only submitted issues.
 
My scope of knowledge about it is pretty small but I'm thoroughly impressed by the amount of collaboration and good coding etiquette in there
 
nwp
@rightfold make a game
 
@OneRaynyDay Good coding etiquette is essential to collaboration.
 
@Morwenn Ah - gotcha :) testing is integral though so I'd think your contribution is pretty significant nonetheless
@Morwenn Yeah, would it be far-fetched to call boost kind of like a preliminary std library?
I think I've seen some stuff from boost getting ported over to c++11/14
 
@OneRaynyDay Part of its intent since the beginning has been to test and establish practice in preparation for inclusion in the standard. Many (most?) standard library additions in C++11, 14, and 17 have come (at least in part) from Boost.
 
6:42 PM
Ah - that's interesting
Now if only their website UI looked a bit better...
 
@OneRaynyDay If you can count this, as a contribution, then yes, I do.
 
@JerryCoffin Well, std::array was only ported to Boost after the standardization.
 
@milleniumbug *did?
 
hoooooly fuck
 
And it seems that Boost.Atomic also originated in std:: before being ported to boost::.
 
6:52 PM
Okay, that was stupid.
Either way, somebody's been using a public mailing list as his LinkedIn email address, lalalalala.
 
nwp
@Morwenn I thought they didn't do that? I thought there is no boost::vector because they want to avoid duplicating the STL
 
@nwp There is a whole containers library in Boost, whose purpose was to try to enhance the standard library containers. And possibly to propose the enhancements back to the standard.
Also they backported some C++11 modules so that people could use them with Boost in C++03.
 
@Griwes lol
@nwp boost::container::vector, with NO bool SPECIALIZATION
 
And with scary iterators.
 
and allowing incomplete types
 
6:56 PM
Aw, I was about to mention it :(
 
nwp
@milleniumbug std::vector does too in C++17
 
Yeah, but it wasn't mandated by the standard before C++17.
 
@rightfold Build a time machine and kill Tony Whore before he can invent the null reference!
 
Ven
Don't kill whores. Unless you're Jack the Ripper.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow it's Hoare, not Whore.
 
7:03 PM
lol
Tony Whore
 
user1804599
Also, rather than killing people, you should educate them.
 
Thanks for ruining the joke
 
@ThePhD I will make your head scratch even more: imgur.com/rqqGbaE
Works on IE, but does not seem to work on chrome.
Oh no, I seem to only have gotten lucky.
Still.. 8 characters?
 
What is wrong here? paste.ubuntu.com/16512846
 
@milleniumbug can i have ur autograph plz
Hey, by the way guys - would you ever suggest using memcpy for the speed increase of writing POD types into vectors?
Or is C forbidden in the realms
 
7:16 PM
Just use std::copy
 
@milleniumbug aye aye captain
 
@OneRaynyDay What @milleniumbug said. Moreover std::copy will use std::memcpy without overhead under the hood whenever it is safe.
 
oh - didn't know that actually... huh
but then again I totally should've expected that
 
7:43 PM
@fredoverflow bookmarked!
 
@fredoverflow Watching now. Looks fun.
 
hola
 
for(auto i             = 0.; i < points; ++i)
  vertices[i].position = {};
Why does this align like this
CURSE YOU, CLANG-FORMAT!
 
user1804599
lol
 
7:53 PM
 
@StackedCrooked lol, those things they do in the videos are insane, the "art".
 
yep lol
@wilx I wouldn't be able to hold my laugh there.
 
user1804599
Hmm, how to best render a roguelike map in a browser?
 
user1804599
Grid of cells each with a single character?
 
user1804599
Yeah I have to anyway, otherwise I can't colour them individually.
 
7:57 PM
@rightfold Just use canvas?
 
nwp
@набиячлэвэлиь it doesn't do that for me
 
user1804599
@wilx lolno
 
user1804599
not for text
 
user1804599
maybe SVG
 
7:59 PM
Hello, is anyone able to help me to configure travis-ci.org for modern C++ library? @набиячлэвэлиь you helped a lot 4 days ago, thank you very much, are u available this time? :)
 
@k06a Modern?
Just look at some existing setups.
 
Haskell is interesting
 

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