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12:01 AM
@Borgleader Got a second? Something's weird about the way my GLSL implementation is binding attributes (program inputs) by default and it's driving me up the wall.
 
user1804599
hmm
 
12:12 AM
Swift looks great, have you tried it @elyse?
 
user1804599
Nein.
 
> If neither of the prior two methods assign an input to an attribute index, then the index is automatically assigned by OpenGL when the program is linked. The index assigned is completely arbitrary and may be different for different programs that are linked, even if they use the exact same vertex shader code.
 
@ThePhD Eh?
 
@Borgleader ^ Who fucking came up with these bullshit rules?
 
user1804599
@sehe that was fun.
 
user1804599
12:13 AM
gezellig
 
@Borgleader I have this dirt-simple shader. When I do this with HLSL, it lists them in the order that they appear (in the order that they'll be serialized on the graphics card) even if I don't specify a layout. OpenGL just literally dumps the location assignments willy-nilly, meaning my program introspection to check if two variables match can't do so in a one-to-one fashion, they have to do 1xN checks, then 1 x N-1 checks until it finds
 
@ThePhD From OpenGL Insights:
> Don't let the compiler set the locations to vertex inputs and fragment outputs.
Give program-based semantics to attributes and fragment output locations.
 
the right attribute variable, and then so on so forth until it checks all N variables and finds that it has all the inputs it needs. What gives? Why didn't OpenGL say the default was in the input order specified by the shaders?
@Borgleader Sigh. Alright, then. But in the general sense, this doesn't allow me to do things like check if one shader stage is compatible to the next or if one vertex declaration closely matches another.
 
@elyse Agreed. I'm done for the night. Sleep well
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ shh you'll trigger @Puppy
 
12:19 AM
@ThePhD For performance reasons I would assume. If you use shader programs (which predate program pipelines afaik) the compiler is allowed to remove stuff that isnt used.
 
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
@ThePhD In debug config you could attempt to link all stages in a shader program, if it fails you'll know whether theyre compatible or not
 
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
 
@Borgleader I'm using separable programs. Would the extra link be worth it?
 
@Prismatic About?
 
12:21 AM
@ThePhD Well its a debug thing, so when you load a material (or wtv your abstraction is that points to the multiple stages) you would create a shader program, add all the stages, link them and check if the operation succeeds.
you discard the shader program from then on
its just to check if the link op succeeded
 
> on the mend
 
Rough life.
 
that's a new one for me
 
I guess I got no choice.
 
cor
 
12:22 AM
@sehe don't fall asleep, that would be a waste of time!
 
night all
 
user1804599
@sehe goodbye
 
slaapze
 
Night.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ swift
 
12:24 AM
@Prismatic Does he hate it?
 
very much so
 
@ElimGarak Re:
> plainsimpleg...sehe, is the stream broken or are all the answer editing tools messed up on your end?
Yes, they're messed up, see
17
Q: SVG update breaks scaling in Opera 12.16 on Linux

seheAs requested in Feedback Requested: Stack Overflow design update: The SVG update completely breaks the Opera experience when zoom <> 100% I might not be the only one using Opera, but am I the only one who zooms to get readable fonts on his high-DPI screen...? Information: Version http://i....

 
Ah, Opera doesn't get SVG, sort of like Edge sometimes. Although, Opera on Windows does good.
 
@ElimGarak Opera still gets SVG like a BAUS
 
go to bed
 
12:27 AM
All the effects and animations were there way before the rest of the browsers.
 
and chat from there
 
It's just that it scales badly, or at least differently :)
 
glorious sehe opera master race
 
also sleep is good for health
 
@ElimGarak Did I mention I don't care much about how the fonts look. As long as stuff works, I can live with ugliness
 
12:29 AM
We must work on your sense of entitlement and privilege, sehe-san.
Right now, you are very tolerant and stuff. We can't have that.
 
I will try, master
 
@Borgleader Do you know of a way to tag semantics to a GLSL variable? (Other than with its name?)
 
user1804599
In InputIterator, can it++ have the same implementation as ++it?
 
user1804599
It doesn't seem like the return type is specified.
 
user1804599
Just that (void)it++ is the same as (void)++it.
 
12:38 AM
hey. this is offtopic, but does anyone know which time stackoverflow runs off of?
 
@ThePhD Well for vertex inputs and fragment outputs you use locations, for varying variables between stages OpenGL Insights recommends using blocks and declaring the content of the block in a struct.
 
@Borgleader Hot diggity....
Life is hard.
 
A true computer scientist would tempted to write the ugliest efficient, super fast code ... for their successors to maintain.
 
wat
 
12:40 AM
@Idealcastle ?
 
@ThePhD You could write a wrapper around glShaderSource that would perform variable name substitution? (like the -D flag in OCL)
 
@Mikhail Not worth it.
I want to work with as vanilla things as possible until my compiler for {Whatever} -> SPIR-V is done.
 
user1804599
My first custom input iterator.
 
:(
using char instead of unsigned char.
But it looks k.
 
user1804599
12:46 AM
It works with std::copy. :3
 
how2updateVS?
someone teach me
 
anyone know why I could not be allowed to shrink disk on windows with adequate free space?
 
@JonathanMusso Fragmentation of data affects how much you can shrink a partition. If you're using SSDs, defrag might not be of much use, but in both cases (HDDs, SSDs) defrag with the flag /X will consolidate the free space in a chunk that can be separated out into free space.
@Rapptz Add remove programs, click change and then add features you need. If you are referring to a total update, then uninstall, restart, install new is the only way to go.
 
@Prismatic nevermind, I figured it out, stackoverflow.com uses UTC, was wondering because of the internal profile stuff switched over to another day, when its only 9pm EST.
 
12:58 AM
It's not letting me remove VS
 
Visual Studio such a virus.
Please die.
 
VS is an irreversible choice
 
@ElimGarak Hm, let me see. I tried defragging earlier with no success. I will look for this flag option.
 
I just wanna switch my VS 2013 to VS 2015
is this too much to ask
 
12:59 AM
mmm you can
 
/X will consolidate free space, if possible. There are no guarantees. But most of the time it'll work.
 
@Rapptz You can has booth.
 
microsoft pls
I know but I don't want both
 
restart cumputter
 
1:00 AM
You need to restart it first, I told you.
 
@ElimGarak How do I do this? I am in the Optimize Drives window and there is nothing there for settings. I assume to mean the command prompt?
 
It's not Linux, restarting is an essential part of the setup process
 
How annoying
 
@JonathanMusso Run cmd.exe as Administrator (which is basically a global gay sudo) and then defrag /X
 
I'LL JUST USE VS 2013
It's a 5 minute program
 
1:01 AM
@Rapptz After you install it, there's a 30 day "activation period". You need to create an MS account to "license it" with.
 
@Rapptz famous last words
 
@Mysticial Yes, that is annoying as fuck.
 
I already have a Cortana Microsoft Bing™ Account
 
I already happen to have an MS account from all the bugs I filed. But that doesn't make it any less annoying.
 
And that license expires sometimes and then it flags me red and annoys me until I log my ass back in. Wtf, MS?
 
1:02 AM
@ElimGarak Thank you! It's done 1 pass now and is in the process of "consolidating". Regards. I will cross my fingers XD
 
Is WinForms deprecated yet
 
No problem. Again, no guarantees. But usually, it will give you a larger slice, if there is considerable free space.
 
or can I still use it
is WinForms still cool or do I have to use WPF?!
 
You can, there is also WPF, but it is underdocumented as fuck.
 
I have 144gb free, and it will not let me shrink (previous to this).
 
1:03 AM
then defrag /X and have fun.
 
@JonathanMusso Download more HD space.
 
Also, free RAM is always great.
 
Is there WPF for C++ yet
didn't think so friends
 
Nah, that blight has not come to the C++ shores.
 
1:04 AM
Confession: I liked WinForms
 
I hope this will work so I can extend my linux partition and add another, this way I will not have to use VM's.
 
I need to work on my kernel some more, but I really don't feel like flashing my USB thumb drive all the time to run it on the laptop.
 
also good morning
 
hi
 
good morning to you
 
1:05 AM
what happened to @butt
I miss pinging you via @butt
 
@butt will return
 
Maybe I should use Qt
do I even have Qt
 
Use GiveUpAndGoToBed
 
Wow I do
5.4 too.
 
Jizzus Christ is also an option so you can ping me with @jizz
But then ban
 
1:07 AM
Are they on like Qt 6.0 yet
Confession II: I like WinForms more than Qt.
do 3 letter pings work still?
people used to ping me with @rap
@ana
 
qt is best
 
I am qt.
 
~ use qt for everything ~
 
They think qt is pronounced 'cute'.
 
1:09 AM
except serious stuff
 
Joke's on them.
 
Ive never set it up on windows though
 
It's called cutie.
 
nuh uh
 
@Rapptz ima call you cutie
 
Kawaii desu
 
So what's up nerds
 
@Rapptz what about
woah, that girl is qt
 
doesn't work
 
@Prismatic *is a qt
 
1:10 AM
lame
 
is a qt my friend
welcome to the 2000s
 
Hello, Haswell gpu docs volume 6, Command Stream Programming. Ooh, just 92 pages, I forgot.
 
good thing my lib isn't named ambiguously. Everyone knows how to pronounce 'ks'
 
kiss?
 
@Prismatic kill streak
 
1:12 AM
Kill Steal
 
kudos.
 
maybe I should use Swing and Java instead
 
What are you going to make?
 
cake.
 
A basic as hell program.
But since it's for my dad
 
1:14 AM
Just use CEF for beautiful, opinionated webscale GUI
 
I have to write an entire GUI for it.
 
C# & WPF mate
 
@Rapptz real talk, QML it up
so ez pz
 
@ElimGarak Is it normally a long process to degrag /x?
 
Damn, Intel, stop wasting pages on whitespace.
@JonathanMusso Yes, definitely. Don't abandon it.
 
1:16 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva How do you connect the web layer with the rest of your code in CEF? Do you have to use V8?
 
@ElimGarak Ok thanks, wasn't sure if something was wrong.
 
Because I wrote a script layer in V8 a long time ago and it wasn't fun
 
@Prismatic Depends what your code is written in
 
c++
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva cefonline.com
 
1:17 AM
@Prismatic Then yeah you can attach functions that are exposed to V8
 
where do I gui
am I using children slaves for this
 
>Boys Death Leads Many to New Life
yet another argument in favour of child murder!
 
@Rapptz Use children replica.
 
Maybe I should just use io.js with electron™
Powered with <3 by GitHub®
etc
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lame
 
1:19 AM
@Rapptz It's essentilly CEF
@Prismatic Why?
That's how all scripting VMs work
 
I starred myself.
 
@Rapptz WinForms isn't deprecated but MBCS is.
 
Its a horrible process. If something is a UI framework, you'd think it would offer easier interaction with another code base.
 
@Rapptz Powered with ❤, you mean.
Or :heart:
 
We use ASCII around here bub.
 
1:21 AM
Because Emoji and shit is cool, man.
 
:smirk:
:smirk: is my shitposting emoji.
 
it’s not an emoji
 
@Prismatic Joke's on you, the point is letting Webdev make Desktop apps, not glorious master C++ developer race have access to HTML GUIs
 
1:23 AM
guis
 
Why is my English broken today
 
All my GUIs are powered by the web.
 
@Rapptz Kill Secured, you mean.
 
You even have to be online to use my GUIs.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva So in the typical case then, is the codebase of a CEF application primarily JS/CSS/HTML? Like all the magic happens in JS?
 
1:23 AM
😏
 
I remember it being recommended as a general purpose UI framework... hm
 
@LucDanton R U I N E D
thanks firefox
 
that was fast timely
 
@Prismatic All the GUI interactions happen inside V8 yes. But you can forward them outside.
 
😏
Oh my.
 
1:24 AM
guys what should I use for my GUI
 
If I'm not mistaken. Last time I used it was ~2 years ago
 
@Rapptz Qt.
 
WinForms, WPF, Qt, electron
 
@Rapptz WinForms
 
@Rapptz QML
 
1:25 AM
WinForms and WPF are pretty much king.
 
WinForms gets the job done albeit not being webscale
 
@Rapptz Guild Wars 2, it’s now F2P.
 
Everything else is shit-tier markup bullshit.
 
ikr
excuse me
not true
@LucDanton Yeah I heard.
 
@LucDanton rip
also omg we never played together
 
1:26 AM
join my guild to give me influence plx
 
it finally moved to 1.2 % :)
 
in return you’ll get nothing because it’s a shit guild
 
What server were you on
 
Fort Ranik, I don’t really WvW these days though.
Used to be on Arborstone, I may go there again to regroup with friends. They’re both relatively the same WvW-wise I think.
 
Et tu es plutôt Fort Ranik sa race ou Fort Ranik sa mère ?
 
1:27 AM
I had to login for VS2013
the future is here boys
 
I played on Jade Sea master race
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Former.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva fancy
 
oops made a visual basic project
 
Is high tier as blobby/zergy as they say?
 
why is this even #1
 
1:28 AM
If I were to WvW I’m fairly sure I’d be in for the roaming/small group action.
 
Yes it's very zergy (at least back when I was playing) but not as bad as German servers
That being said you can still roam in small groups
Just be aware where the trains are if you don't want to be rolled over
 
It’s really sad, I was on a break when they started the whole tournament thing so I missed on transfers and everything. Now we’re all stuck on separate worlds and the gem cost is silly.
 
That's what you get for having a life
 
So where's WinForms?
I can't find it.
 
🕴
 
1:30 AM
I see it for C# and VB
but not C++
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Not worth it.
 
It's not available from C++, best you can do is Managed C++.
 
I did it! Man in suit levitating! 🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴🕴
 
R I P
 
Thank god for the megaserver though!
 
1:30 AM
so how do I winforms
 
@LucDanton That thing is magic
 
I'll just use C# I guess
 
@Rapptz Use Qt.
 
at that point I might as well just use WPF though
 
One thing I really love is how they handle the updates completely transparently, no server restart nothing
That's really cool and I wonder if they use verbols
 
1:32 AM
@Rapptz Sadly any one account has to choose between EU and NA, and there is no cross play. You can migrate to and fro (?) but it’s not cheap.
 
Oh one of those.
That sucks.
I looked up but WinForms C++ was removed in VS2012.
 
Which is (sort of) weird because it’s one shared economy and you can chat & send mail fine.
 
They said it's because the datacenters are separate
Makes sense???????????
 
Yeah if there’s one thing that doesn’t stay up it’s the TP.
 
@Nooble guess I will
 
1:33 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva The systems, too.
 
The economy is not shared though
TPs are split
 
Nope, EU/NA is the same. Chinese worlds are their own thing though.
 
@Rapptz You could always use CEGUI.
 
It’s convenient for (Western, I guess) streamers that do giveaways.
 
@LucDanton Are you sure?
Gem prices are different
 
1:35 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I just checked.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Where do you see that?
 
Nowhere, actually. I thought they were. But they're not.
Yet another argument lost on the internet!
So yeah there's no real reason for the split aside than "that's how it is"?
 
I think so, but maybe latency makes the gameplay too unreliable by their standards or something, too.
It’s not like you’re going to notice a 500ms delay on your TP orders.
 
My automated robots do :Ð
And yeah anything above ~100 ms becomes difficult to play
Above ~250-300 it's unplayable
 
I’ve actually never lagged too much in GW2. Except recently on Lupicus of all things.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Your what?
 
1:40 AM
fn foo(Point { x, y }: Point) {
    println!("{} {}", x, y);
}
Argument destructuring, neat
@Borgleader I'm kidding, but some people make automated trading robots that place orders on the market for profit. Like in real life.
 
reminds me not to do online shopping - it takes so long, probably the vendors are counting on your forgetting your order so they don't have to ship anything
 
ArenaNet has always denied that this is the case but when you spend some time trading manually on the market you can clearly see it happening
 
There is no official API for it. I know from a friend.
 
it does not take 3 weeks to ship simple items
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Is this Rust?
 
user406009
1:42 AM
@Nooble Yep.
 
Looks so nice.
 
user406009
It is quite nice.
 
People get a session key from within the GW2 process then do their thing
 
I should find a new wallpaper
 
@Prismatic Do it.
 
1:43 AM
are there rust benchmarks yet
 
user406009
@Prismatic
 
user406009
 
user406009
Troll everyone.
 
maybe I should close down my gmail account that receives spam, so I would not be looking at all those online deals & tempted into buying those sh!tty deals
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva That can lead to things like fn foo(Foo { x: Bar { y } }: Foo) which is kinda eye-watering.
 
1:44 AM
 
@LucDanton Yeah the syntax isn't exactly discrete and melodious
 
@Lalaland Need one in HD.
 
These look really cool
 
user406009
Too distracting.
 
I guess they're generated with some fractal software
 
user406009
1:46 AM
The best desktop background is a lightly grey tinted screen.
 
user406009
Or a sea of grass.
 
user406009
Or something.
 
Neat, Rust errors can contain a link to the error index.
Kinda wish the error in question would provide an alternative to what I’m attempting though and not just a description of the problem.
 
>Question #1: Is it good language design to have four ways to say the same thing?
ohhhh scott mayers
you silly
 
user406009
The answer is no.
 
1:48 AM
@ElimGarak It completed. Unfortunately I still cannot shrink the disk.
 
user406009
There should be only one way.
 
user406009
I can sorta excuse C++ though. It has to maintain decades of backwards compatibility.
 
It's doesn't "have to", it's a choice.
 
So sadly I don’t know how to make the legal equivalent of Foo { x: ref x@Bar { y } }: Foo for lols.
 
why isn't qt snapping widgets
qt pls
 
1:50 AM
They could provide a flag --no-shitty-compat that removes some useless features
 
QT PLS
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva They’re not even in T2 lol.
oh my bad there’s the one
 
Back in my time it was consistently in the top 6, but servers change
 
yeah I hear the tournaments have been rough
more transfers more $$$ I guess
 

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