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7:00 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva agreed
@ThePhD agreed
 
@sehe Help.
I should be sleeping
I have class in 7 hours.
 
Wow. You sleep a lot
 
I do?
 
@ThePhD Well - if you're gonna use significant part of those 6 hours to sleep
 
7:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Welkommen!
... Or, uh. Velkommen?
... I think the first one.
 
Oh. :c
 
7:19 AM
Worst restaurant service of the year award
Probably an intern though so I don't blame him
 
wut
 
delayed :)
 
@JonClements erm do you want it delivered by fed-ex or mail? :)
 
7:22 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva bored
 
...
 
@StackedCrooked which'll arrive sooner? :p
 
probably fed-ex, it might arrive scrambled though
 
fed-ex
gedit?
fed
 
7:27 AM
groans :p
 
HAHAHAHA the 3rd party lib writes stuff to cout
(it's a network API)
 
how polite
 
fact is that most software is written by noobs
 
fact is these noobs are the ones who run the Shanghai Stock Exchange
 
@StackedCrooked sadly true
 
7:39 AM
>A bit of a theoretical question if that is exaptable
/cc @MarcoA.
 
Xeo
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva redirect cout to nothing
 
Isn't that your favorite trick :p
 
it's a pretty neato trick
boredom looms
 
cool so I got the new phone but I can't use it because microSIM
this is typical me
guess 15 cm was too small to make room for a regular SIM
 
Worded differently that was starrable (eg "for a regular one")
 
7:48 AM
I know
I took effort in making it unstarrable
 
It's just the new standard
 
@Xeo my god!
 
You wouldn't complain about not having SCART on a new telly
 
actually, I would
if you like to use old consoles, scart is god send
 
7:52 AM
@Mr.kbok that's different
plus there are adapters
 
@Mr.kbok ... yes?
 
this means I literally can't use my phone
 
Those are neither scart, nor good.
 
I need to find a way to upgrade my SIM card to a microSIM without losing my number
 
@thecoshman All old consoles have a RCA plug actually. It's the same signal as SCART, only better plugs.
 
7:53 AM
which I'm sure is possible but is a PITA
 
You can redirect the audio to another system
You can put extenders on it
 
@Mr.kbok no, well, for a phase, there was a time for consoles like playstation 1 and 2 that could use proper scart.
What you have their is composite signal, which is only slightly better than RF
 
> proper scart
no such thing (NTSC/PAL?)
 
scart supports MUCH better video format
 
7:55 AM
@Mr.kbok no, it's not just plain composite
 
@AndyProwl well...
 
RCA cable master race
 
@thecoshman Oh, you're right
I didn't now PS supported YUV
 
S-VIDEO!
 
Anyway it never made a difference to me (I tested both)
 
7:56 AM
S-video was better, but scart still supported better
 
I still think RCA is superior. I'd rather have 5 cables to plus than SCART
 
@Mr.kbok it's not about what you can tell, it's a bout what's technically better :P
 
If you can't tell the difference the technology is equivalent
 
@Mr.kbok firstly, RCA is just the plugs, composite is the video format, and no. It's an inferior video format to what scart could support.
scart also had some cool, though fairly unused features
just a shame it has perhaps the largest plug known to man
and my lord, trying to bend those cables was like a work out, fucking reinforced with steal or some shit
 
cool so I have to go to some sale point
 
8:00 AM
@thecoshman All A/V signals SCART supports can be carried via RCA. You only miss the fancy shit (channel autoswitch etc)
Which almost never worked anyway
 
channel autoshit
 
@Mr.kbok technically, yes, but no. 'RCA' is composite video, that is all. Unless you go fucking around with shit, with passive adapters just to use other cables, all you get over that single yellow (not that it makes any physical difference) plugged cable is composite video.
scart supports a form of RGB... in a sort of slutty no standard standard way
@Mr.kbok you're from France aren't you?
 
8:16 AM
@thecoshman but this
It's what I have on my wii
@thecoshman Yep
 
@Mr.kbok like I said before, those are RCA plugs, which is just a physical specification for the physical plugs, just like RJ45. It says nothing about what you use them for electronically. The classic 'red white and yellow' is for stereo sound and composite video. Those are your fancy three cables just for video of the digital persuasion. And yes, digital video is lovely, except if you are using older analogue video consoles, because those pictures often relied on the flaws.
@Mr.kbok then you should be all over scart and how for once France did something good :D
 
@thecoshman We invented the internet. Twice.
2
 
Ah mais SCART c'est la prise péritel
Tu peux pas parler Français comme tout le monde ?
 
toot le mood!
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Pas avec un irlandais qui parle pas Francais
 
8:22 AM
ffs, you twats keep this up, you'll have google trying to translate pages
 
@thecoshman But RGB is analog
 
@Mr.kbok don't be fooled by the colouring, most 'HD' is not using analogue RGB
 
HD?
I don't understand
 
Yeah, 4K is a superset of RGB and WAV
 
I'll speak frog well enough
 
8:24 AM
Let's start over: SCART is just a packaged version of left and right audio, rbg video, composite video, and some fancy shit such as aspect ratio
You get the same signal at the same or better quality with 5 RCA plugs
(if you're not using s-video)
 
@Mr.kbok yeah, formats like vga used three analogue rgb pins, as did scart. The red green and blue rca leads used ont he likes of wii are for HD, and, as far as I know, digital
 
kbok is a scartman
 
@thecoshman no, rgb rca plugs are for rgb analog
 
@Mr.kbok except, correct me If I am wrong, there was never any device that out put the three rgb signals as their own pins. And please, let's remember where this started, old consoles
 
it's just the composite signal except separated and at a third the frequency, so it has better signal quality
 
8:27 AM
no
 
@thecoshman SNES and PS2 did it.
 
composite is rather compressed format, actual rgb video has much more info
@Mr.kbok yes, but they did not offer RCA sockets for that, nor was there ever a device that had RCA inputes for rgb video. If you wanted to use the rgb signal, you need to use a scart lead
that's why america sucks, as they never caught onto the wander of using scart and having rgb signals
 
@thecoshman I have a RGB RCA plug for my wii and my snes
 
o_0 what are you plugging the snes into to get video?
and for the wii, that would be component video
 
yes
component video is rgb
 
8:30 AM
not always
it's just, as the name suggest, components
usually it would be YPBPR
(there should be some subscript there)
 
one red, one green, one blue
 
afaik, the wii outputs digital video if you use component
 
okay maybe that's not usually called RGB but
 
@Mr.kbok that does not mean that you have one lead for red picture, one for green and one for blue
just like the yellow cable didn't give you a yellow picture
 
oh lol you're right
it's not rgb
 
8:33 AM
well, it can be :P
 
Not on the wii/snes though. it's YPBPR like you said
Okay, SCART has RGB all right
 
often you might find something like a vga lead that has some of the leads split out using RNC (iirc) leads, then you do have a red, a green and a blue as their own individual leads.
 
Yeah
But I never saw a device with individual RGB plugs indeed
hm. TIL
 
@Mr.kbok no, not as a normal plug(s) on its own
 
yeah
But you have to agree that SCART was a fucking pain in the arse to plug
 
8:35 AM
and yeah, even the HD component leads don't do RGB I think...
@Mr.kbok oh no doubt
christ, you could near enough park a car between the pins on those things
 
yeah. you probably could build one of the plugs at the local forge
 
¬_¬ some sort of french plan to be able to charge more I reckon
 
I think it's cheaper to make that way
Most plugs were actually shitty, one blade would bend and you had to throw it away
 
probably
and hey, let's not even get started on the in-uniformity of RGB :P
 
never used it, so I wouldn't know
 
8:39 AM
What would be a good concept name for something such: "within the same process, this type can be reinterpreted as an array of bytes, moved around, then reinterpreted back as the original type and it will work"? It's not exactly TriviallyCopyable, because std::string would qualify, but close.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva PositionIndependent?
reference to -fpic
 
Doesn't that have strong sexual connotations?
 
Only for you
BTW you can't call the concept "sexy" because I called it first
 
@Mr.kbok vga lead?
 
kbok in a club: hey bby do you meet Sexy requirements? Because std::is_sexy<You> is std::true_type
 
8:42 AM
@thecoshman Only ever used machines that supported composite video. That's why I think SCART is stupid.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva interesting. I'd call it movable, really, because I have no need to distinguish how an object will perform the move. But I guess you could need that, and in that case TriviallyMovable or UniquePOD come to mind
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Why ask if you know the answer :P
 
@Mr.kbok Interesting honesty
 
@Mr.kbok you never had a computer monitor that used VGA?
 
@thecoshman Oh, you're not talking about SCART anymore?
 
8:44 AM
You mean D-BUS?
1 min ago, by Mr. kbok
@thecoshman Only ever used machines that supported composite video. That's why I think SCART is stupid.
 
@sehe mmm you're onto something
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva call the opposite SelfReferential
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva typename boost::enable_if<typename ::enums::is_sexy<T>, void>::type describe_field_f(field_description &desc, T field, std::string name)
 
@sehe yeah
 
Actual code in our lib :P
 
8:45 AM
specifically d-sub 15 :P
 
@Mr.kbok lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Woot! Nice out-of-the-box/lateral thinking
 
Morning ^_^
 
Because only self-referential types care about where they are.
 
@Morwenn ¬_¬ you're too cheary
 
8:46 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes However, think std::mutex e.g.: it's not self-referential (in any way I know of) but you can't move it around...? /cc @AnastasiyaAsadullayeva
 
Mutex is in a way self-referential because its location determines its identity
So yeah nice one @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
@thecoshman Too much niceness in the Lounge for your tastes? Do you prefer the passive-agressive kind of people? :3
 
@thecoshman oh god. I typed dbus instead of dsub did I
 
Hi mates
 
@sehe it doesn't store a reference but it does refer to itself for functionality.
 
8:47 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva But a mutex doesn't have a value, so its move operation is a no-op.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess. In a way.
 
@sehe all aboard the dbus
 
@sehe Just to let you know, my YouCompleteMe problem came from a silly mistake in the python file: I wrote '__file__' instead of __file__... Thus my paths were fucked up
 
Sep 1 at 8:00, by Mai Longdong
All aboard the dbus!
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I... know
 
8:49 AM
@sehe ergh, do I have mock you for weeks?
@Morwenn I'll prefer who ever I fucking want!
 
^^
 
@Rerito :D How did you find out?
@thecoshman not with that engrish you shouldn't
 
So that concept is actually Movable
 
@sehe that's perfectly congruent
 
meh, I'm really bad
 
8:51 AM
Not really
 
@sehe I made a pass on what I've defined in the file and didn't see it at first. Then it's one of these moments when you notice the little shitty needle in your haystack
 
Movable is different.
 
I can't think of any practical difference
 
@thecoshman cromulent *
 
I agree that Movable and Self-Referential are not exactly opposites
 
8:52 AM
@Rerito And how interesting static typing/analysis is
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva absolutely not
 
@sehe at least you got the reference
 
Consider struct cheat { cheat() : r(this) {} cheat* r; cheat(cheat&& c) : r(this) {} };
 
Yeah that's Movable and Self-Referential
 
@sehe Actually, there was no type infraction of any sort. Just that the string that should be '/path/to/.ycm_config_blabla.py' became '__file__'
 
So that concept is NotSelfReferential D: jeebus
 
8:54 AM
> became
 
Granted, it's probably a terrible idea.
 
You mean, you did that :)
 
Relocatable sounds nicer /cc @Mr.k
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I'd say what I mean. I'd say BitwiseMovable or TriviallyMovable
 
Ah, yeah, that's good.
Relocatable also implies you can shmem it.
 
8:55 AM
@sehe Yes, I defined a project_dir variable using os.path stuff and the __file__ thingy. The fault was all mine of course!
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Also nice. PositionIndependent would be even better then. Because, logically any (non-trivially) movable type is "relocatable" (by moving it!)
 
No, it does not.
Nevermind
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use offset_ptr<> for that. Pretty sweet
 
shmeming always requires offset_ptr
 
With managed_external_buffer it makes /anything/ blittable across process boundaries
(*anything with allocator ability in practice...)
 
8:57 AM
to shmem
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmmm in my case shmem'ing it would break it
 
Yeah forget shmeming.
 
In the same address space it's fine though
 
I was thinking of mmaping it.
Yeah
to mmap
Hmm.
Wonder how to render "hmm" with IPA
There's no airflow.
But it's not a click.
Just voicing.
 
I think robot is overheating :\
2
 
9:02 AM
Oh, it's syllabic /m/. Interesting.
@thecosh I'm trying to ignore the pain down the diodes of my left leg.
(Joke aside, it really hurts)
 
what did you do this time?
 
A small accident. Nothing serious.
 
... oh please continue :D
 
I'd rather not. I'll be fine. Just an overexerted muscle.
Too much cycling if you will.
 
you probably already saw this
I don't care, I'm re-linking it
oh cool, I still don't see profanities in the starboard. Congratulations guys!
 
9:13 AM
scott mayers
 
renewed export
 
@MarcoA. he discussed this last year at Meeting C++ and said he wanted to write a proposal
personally I wish there was just one meaningful way of initializing shit in C++
Wide or Rust syntax and fuck it
 
unfortunately we're not blessed with a uniform initializ... oh wait
 
I want consistent initialization
also nice initialization that leads to aligned names
so name-first
 
Let's learn from PHP: real_uniform
 
9:16 AM
real_unicorn
 
real_union
 
unreal_initialization
I'm so funny today, I would almost beat me
 
brace-idiot-list
I'm kidding
:P
 
I would like Foo bar = foo() to always be valid and always elide stuff because you can't guarantee a copy or a move because it might be elided and you want it to be elided anyway.
 
std::elide_plz(x)
 
9:21 AM
I want let x : type = value; / let x = value;
 
it's in a proposal
 
and I want that to work with non-movable types and shit
instead of requiring auto&&
 
@Morwenn this
 
@AndyProwl and that too
 
@MarcoA. std::elide_plz_sir_thx(x)
 
9:22 AM
@AndyProwl yeah that too
 
Is template instanciation a thing? If yes what does it mean?
also
@R.MartinhoFernandes: And the whole issue is further confounded because "explicit instantiation" is yet another thing that exists. — Kerrek SB May 30 '12 at 18:00
What does he mean?
 
template class std::vector<int>;
 
okay
 
9:25 AM
d:|
 
9:36 AM
what to program
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva do you have any jsonpp issues for me to dissolve
 
Yes still 2 open
 
Oh I see an issue from July 1.
Well one of those issues will never get closed.
It's there as a perma reminder.
The issue you have is so easy to fix.
You probably fixed it already
I bet it's fixed locally and I haven't pushed that commit for 2 months.
Nope it's in stash.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ROFL. Is that what they call it these days
 
@Rapptz Yeah I did
I could've made a PR but I felt like you'd prefer to fix it yourself
 
Geebus, Java is so useless.
How does one do something similar to string::compare()?
 
9:44 AM
Not too hairy
.NET's comparator/comparable forest is hardly beauty distilled either
 
@sehe Well, it is missing the variant that I want, namely, comparison of a substring of a string with another string.
 
Wut?! Good luck. Taking a substring must be too hard in Java
 
@sehe Taking a substring creates garbage.
 
No it doesn't. And how is that relevant.
Gosh. If you wanna rant, don't accidentally act headless
 
Can't you create a substring and then do an equals call or something?
I doubt Java lacks the tools for doing string comparison...
 
9:49 AM
 
@Rapptz do you want to work on a high perf logger
 
@wilx Tell me something I don't know.
 
on wot
 
Dude. Don't use Java if can't handle the stress
 
is this a group project
 
9:50 AM
@sehe Also, I am not ranting. Also, why are you so upset whenever I say anything? Did I step onto your toe or something?
 
@Rapptz A low-latency logging library
 
@sehe what stress?
 
@wilx stumped
 
@sehe You are now making shit up. There is no stress.
 
I wanna work on net stuff for C++ but it's always like very finicky.
 
9:50 AM
@Rapptz If you want
 
all you have to do is know it's going to be shit
 
@Rapptz Do you want to work on a portable C++ sucket library
 
Like it never works out as well and as nice as dynamic languages
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I may already have one...
 
@Rapptz How that
 
@wilx Then what the hell were you trying to achieve?
Bye
 
9:51 AM
@sehe I was asking for a variant of std::string::compare in Java.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva When I'm in Python-land I really like how easy it is to use requests + json modules.
 
Jeez, I need more sensitivity
 
What would you guys use for a build system for examples for a header-only lib?
 
I think @sehe does not like me...
 
@Rapptz Yeah so an HTTP lib you mean (that's a great idea)
 
9:52 AM
I see @R.MartinhoFernandes used ninja somehow
 
Well I already have a requests thing
 
What am I going to do with my life now?
 
and a json thing.
and a socket thing..
 
lemme check
 
but I'll never make the json thing work as nicely as the dynamic variant.
static typing makes it ugly
 
9:53 AM
@wilx You really appeared to be ranting about Java for not being able to do a substring, TBH
 
also the lack of kwargs makes requests kind of a pain in the ass to work with
but that goes with so many more things
 
Can't find that requests thing on gitbub
 
named parameters please
yeah cause they're private
 
I've recently found this; I mean look at it, it's so beautiful <3 (re the net stuff - a beautiful REST API lib)
 
I don't want people using it because I'm not proud of it
the requests thing isn't even in github :v
 
9:55 AM
@wilx I don't think you should take it personal
I understand how you feel upset though, I would too
 
@Rapptz Then improve it enough to be proud of it
 
@Mr.kbok based on what I understood he's able to do a substring but does not want to create a copy of the substring
 
>Content blocked
colirape pls
 
huh
are you in China?
 
9:57 AM
is that rethorical
 

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