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10:02 AM
hmmmm Google Maps "send to device" is pretty cool
finally, the old one was terrible
 
10:19 AM
it's reddit
it's inherently terrible
 
Ell
> There is a semantic way of using tab characters in source code: tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment.
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this is the first time I've seen my view written down somewhere else
woo
 
@Griwes the new look is nice
 
Garbage config for garbage editor
 
voice acting budget: 1 billion gold ingots
the whole vid is hilarious not just that moment
 
10:35 AM
@Ell because it's wrong :P
 
@thecosh hey, sorry I missed your Slack plink the other day.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes np
I blame everyone else for not embracing the better platform :D
 
10:46 AM
CODEBLOCKS FUCKING WORK FOR FUCKS SAKE
RETARDED WxWanker
fucking bullshit
 
why are you using code bollocks?
 
> /r/haskal
 
@AlexM. Because it's the best IDE on Linux I can use to a fair extent
Anyway, let's see whether a reboot will help it survive for ten fucking seconds
 
@BartekBanachewicz You still working with Haskell?
 
@Jefffrey well, "working". Yeah, I guess. Why?
 
10:51 AM
Curiosity. What are you working on? Something new?
 
I have this simple code: `union Ex {
std::string f2;
Ex(){};
};` When I declare `Ex ex1;` I get: `attempt to use a deleted function`. Do I understand correctly that I should define destructor, inside of which I would delete the `f2` string? What exactly is a "deleted function"?
 
> I have this simple code: `union
 
@Jefffrey nah. as mentioned, a friend of a friend wants to contribute to hate, so I'll prolly be meeting with him time to time and help him. I also have this book thingy to work on. And I want to get Hive playable.
 
@REACHUS Yes, you need a destructor.
 
Book thingy?
 
10:53 AM
A deleted function is one declared as deleted vOv :P
 
or automatically deleted due to reasons.
 
You can do that manually like ~Ex() = delete;.
But in the case of unions, just by putting a non-trivially destructible member in it, the destructor is implicitly deleted.
 
Use boost::variant and save yourself the pain
boost::variant is really awesome
 
OK, thanks guys
 
Codeblocks fuck off
Need to downgrade libwxblabla probably
 
10:56 AM
@Jefffrey I was asked for a contribution to a book about game programming
my university teaching related
 
Nice, what book?
 
@Jefffrey Cower in fear of the untagged unions github.com/rmartinho/yajna/blob/master/include/hlife/… Muahahahaha
 
@Jefffrey I know, though I want to learn basics first before going on to Boost
 
@Jefffrey It's about game architecture patterns.
 
Boost is basics
 
10:58 AM
@Jefffrey So what is advanced if Boost isn't?
 
but since "pattern" is a dirty word, let's say it's about common problems in game programming and common solutions for themm
@REACHUS a lot of things
 
@REACHUS unions
Just like std::string is basics, and char[] is not.
 
Ell
^
listen to jefffrey
 
@Jefffrey it's even called std::basic_string <char>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't even know what that does
 
11:01 AM
@Jefffrey That's why I'm learning unions
 
Wait, is that a game?
@REACHUS What's that?
 
I want to understand when to use them compared to classes and structs and what can I do with them
 
@REACHUS Never use unions. Structs == classes
 
@BartekBanachewicz wait. Bartek The Book
 
Actually I do understand most of that union, surprisingly.
I think it's by osmosis.
I never read anything about unions.
 
Xeo
11:04 AM
@Jefffrey It's the game of life, programmed in an optimised form (hashlife I think it was called?)
 
> hlife.h++
Yeah
> optimised
> <unordered_set>
Pick one :P
 
unordered_set access is amortized O(1)
 
unordered set is pretty good (given a good hash)
 
It's a Chandler joke
 
Ah
Nice
 
11:05 AM
Nevermind
I know it's terrible
 
Xeo
I was talking about the evaluation algorithm anyways :P
not the code itself
 
Okay, here we go
> Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions detected.
The library used 2.8 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx containers,compatible with 2.6),
and your program used 2.8 (no debug,Unicode,compiler with C++ ABI 1008,wx containers,compatible with 2.6).
Abgebrochen (Speicherabzug geschrieben)
 
> Abgebrochen (Speicherabzug geschrieben)
Here's your problem
 
I should change my locale for good lol
But anyway, are you fucking kidding me
 
Xeo
@Columbo ABI 1002 vs 1008, clearly your problem :P
 
11:07 AM
@Columbo burned by ABI breaks
 
> Columbo and the mysterious ABI thief
 
Okay. Back home. Some free time. Blurry vision. Time for a little livestreamed SO action.
Coffee
 
@REACHUS Pretty much never. Robot here just wants to shoot himself in the foot. Just like most masochists C++-ers.
 
Gosh. Geebies. They warned me the pee would be bright yellow from the contrast fluid they injected. But I was still startled
 
Xeo
Was the contrast fluid from a glowstick?
 
11:10 AM
CAT scan?
 
@Xeo nope. Something very very yellow, I can tell
@Jefffrey Nope. Fluerescence photos of the eyes.
 
Okay, after changing the wxgtk package it does work - showing me a debug report right at the start
So the SVN version clearly doesn't work. Back to normal
 
I'm having a factorio relapse
I thought I could stop
 
Xeo
My Terraria phase is still going strong
> 72 hours - past two weeks
> 382 hours - total
 
@Mr.kbok lol
 
11:18 AM
@nabijaczleweli missed your massage
 
I'm having a hard time deciding where to produce batteries
I could make them near the chemical plants that extract sulfur, since there's already water there
But then I have to pick up some copper and steel from the train
If I just unload stuff from there I'm afraid there wouldn't be anymore left for the actual production plant
If I want to produce batteries at the production plant then I have to get water there and it's a huge pain
 
Xeo
Resource splitting is one of the harder parts of Factorio
 
@sehe not important
 
@Xeo Yep
 
Xeo
But why do you need water?
Make sulfuric acid and transport that to where you wanna make the batteries
 
11:22 AM
I tend to pick up resource in a "waterfall" scheme where the most important production gets its resource first (ammo, research), then the utilities (conveyors etc) then storage
 
Xeo
Oh wait, that still needs iron. Hm.
Tough
 
@Xeo You can't transport acid via train, can you?
 
Xeo
@Mr.kbok Wasn't there some kinda barrel mechanic? Can't remember
 
@Xeo It's only for raw oil
 
Xeo
Maybe not
@Mr.kbok Ah, a shame.
But really, moving water around isn't so bad
Go underground for 90% and you should be fine
 
11:24 AM
@Jefffrey The optimisations are elsewhere. The retrieval time is truly immaterial when compared to the time I'm saving in the other places.
It's a change from exponential to logarithmic time.
 
user1804599
whoo my first quickcheck property
 
user1804599
property $ \input ->
    0 `ByteString.notElem` input ==>
        parseMessage input == Nothing
 
@Xeo Yeah. I guess I just need a few pumps
 
Ell
You can barrel water
I thought
 
@nabijaczleweli tantalizing
 
Ell
11:32 AM
In wrong
 
user1804599
leftover from conduit is the best function ever.
 
@REACHUS unlearn ions instead
@Mr.kbok this is one of the main challenges for the game
@Ell no
the only thing you can barrel is crude oil
and yes this sucks balls
but I guess it would make things too easy. One big tank can hold how much, 6kL?
 
@rightfold Lightford
We need lighter Fords
 
stacking barrels in a steel chest would give you much denser storage
 
Not righter folds
 
11:36 AM
not that one small chest having 1800 electric furnaces inside is realistic or anything
 
Ell
The hardest bit about oil related stuff is getting the oil
Pumps deplete to 0.1/s so quickly then you have to load them up with modules
 
@Jefffrey It will be when I'm done. Multiplayer Life.
 
@Ell Yeah it's not like it's a new, fresh original idea.
@sehe how cool is that
 
user1804599
What Haskell plugin for Vim should I use such that syntax highlighting does not do horribly moronic things like turning backslashes into lambdas, periods into function composition symbols, and derivings into ..?
 
user1804599
I.e. not this:
 
user1804599
11:44 AM
 
Hi guyz
 
the room is dead we need a new controversial topic
how about Kanye West?
Following Jack Black's statement about him, I think regardless of his alleged musical prowess, he's a fucking ass and deserves the public disrespect.
 
user1804599
Israel and the Gaza Strip.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also some dude crafting advanced electronic circuits with his bare hands?
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut
 
11:56 AM
and I personally haven't heard anything good from him except the Daft Punk's cover.
 
user1804599
Who the fuck is Kanye West?
 
user1804599
> Kanye Omari West is an American rapper
 
Like, Four Five Seconds was absolute shit and I have no idea why McCartney would ever sign off on this
 
user1804599
yep, shit confirmed
 
The histories of UNIX based operating systems?
 
user1804599
11:57 AM
That's not controversial.
 
its a topic.
 
@rightfold some people (including himself) think he's a musical genius
 
user1804599
Yes, but the requirement was a controversial topic.
 
The Iran nuclear deal
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I am not sure really, I'd rather avoid dismissing him off as absolute shit without evidence
I guess him being an ass is a well-agreed-upon fact.
So, what about his music?
I'm going to give a fair listen to his newest album
 
12:00 PM
Dunno, he's that guy whom Obama called a jackass.
 
user1804599
Kim's that guy who called Obama a monkey.
 
He's childish and stupid, and I don't like that music.
 
user1804599
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. Nice
 
I like the electronic parts on that album so far, but the rap parts, are well rap.
 
user1804599
> I disagree with the use of 'Armenian genocide' when describing genocides of the past. This is a historical debate that continues today and this page should not be bias.
 
Okay, constexpr Regex. Is that doable
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
@rightfold Should I try it
 
@Mr.kbok I think I'll start using tabs for indentation
 
12:05 PM
Would it be awesome
 
user1804599
Turing-completeness is sufficient for implementing regular expressions and C++ constant expressions are be Turing-complete.
 
@rightfold "I notice if I search for Gaza or Palestine in this article, no text comes up. This shows bias."
 
I just fear that I'll go @rightfold on that project :/
 
@Columbo I think there's a Boost library for that
 
@Jefffrey A constexpr Regex library in Boost?
 
12:06 PM
/cc @sehe Didn't you recommend one once?
@Columbo Yeah
 
user1804599
I love genocide.
2
 
@Jefffrey I would not think so. There is surely a Regex lib, but none that is capable of being used in constant expressions?
 
user1804599
It's a very powerful tool in NetHack.
 
I was parsing numeric constexpr strings back then
 
12:07 PM
And sehe recommended it
 
user1804599
Perfect title for Arqade.
 
user1804599
"I want to commit genocide but ..."
 
user1804599
@Columbo you should just patch clang to add a new PCRE intrinsic that can be used in a constant expression. :v
 
@rightfold Fuck Perl compatible regex
Actually, it's ok. Nevermind.
 
user1804599
Perl 6 regexen are great.
 
user1804599
12:09 PM
They have "separated by" and "separated and optionally followed by".
 
@rightfold Where can I get proper Regex specifications?
 
user1804599
@Columbo which regex flavour?
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold The one used by stdlib, e.g. ECMAScript
 
user1804599
Oh, I don't know. The standard should mention that.
 
12:10 PM
> More than 2,500 people were convicted of cannibalism during the Holodomor
 
@rightfold I'll go with some basic rules first. Boy, sounds so fucking complicated though...
Like greediness and other concepts
 
user1804599
@Columbo Go has a nice implementation too.
 
@Columbo Boost Xpressive /cc @Jefffrey
@BartekBanachewicz erm... not to sure really. What about?
 
1 hour ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Jefffrey It's about game architecture patterns.
 
12:11 PM
@sehe Oh, wow.
 
user1804599
lol, crowdfund for a policemen who was fined for shooting a burglar in the leg
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is an odd mechanic alright
I do wonder if they'll look to adjust the way things like that stack
Just look at how much stuff the guy alone can carry!
 
XPressive is way older than constexpr
@rightfold erm what?
@rightfold ah phew
 
I don't like Xpressive :/
 
12:25 PM
Who does. It was a nice experiment. I suppose that Xpressive + metaparse could go somewhere 10 years from now
But it's absolute niche (99.9999999% of cases are well served by once-compiled regex instances)
 
Yeah, no pre-compilation in C++, AFAIK.
 
What doesn't? std::regex doesn't ? (o.O)
 
What does?
I'm thinking of something comparable to this: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…
(Still kinda awkward to have it in a separate assembly, but ILMerge can fix that)
 
Some freakishly big bug got into the kitchen despite window being closed
So I guess I don't have a kitchen anymore
rip
 
You need a debugger
 
12:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes me too. I assumed that all regex engines have some intermediate "FSM" representation - which they consider "compiled"?
@BartekBanachewicz you neat me to it
 
I could try opening the window wider
But
No
 
Plot twist: It's a widow winder, not a wider window
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus BETA invasion starting
 
A what now
 
Bug Extreme Terror Agency
duh
 
12:37 PM
@sehe But that's comparable to RegexOptions.Compiled, not Regex.CompileToAssembly.
 
@sehe if you have interest, or at least fancy reminding me to look at this at some stage, this is the error it bums out with eventually "Can't fork: Cannot allocate memory at /usr/share/perl5/Git.pm line 1517." but you can just git svn fetch again and it will carry on.
 
Using CompileToAssembly gives zero startup overhead.
 
are there any solutions that give negative startup overhead
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus BETA
 
Decapitation
 
Xeo
12:38 PM
Basically, humongous space bugs from space
 
@Xeo C++-style acronyms, huh?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok. I never actually realized that CompileToAssembly would go beyond that. It's pretty nifty then
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
 
@sehe I should probably at least report it :\
it's a fucking shit slow process though
 
I searched for 'beta anime' but it was still ambiguous
 
@thecoshman I can remind you of this periodically
 
12:45 PM
@sehe hey hey hey!
 
:D
 
I'm in half of this week
just a half more and freeeeeeeedom
 
it's already past the middle of the week
 
in the meantime, here's Kari driving Simraceway's F3 (from the looks of it)
 
who is this
 
12:55 PM
Kari Byron, a human from Mythbusters
 
@Mr.kbok a Mythbusterress
 
user1804599
nice shoes
 
@BartekBanachewicz A Mythbustress, rather
 
> "Fools!", hissed the Dark Lord. "You have entered the realm of allocators, where I have mastery over the lifetimes of all things!" Then he chanted horrifying words of power: "Pocca, pocma, pocs..."
 
@nabijaczleweli mm true
 
12:56 PM
i knew it
 
user1804599
Mistress.
 
@rightfold must be hell annoying to put on
unless they have a zipper on the side, which they probably do
 
user1804599
> Extra high top canvas sneaker with zipper along back;
 
user1804599
yes
 

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