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grumble grumble power cuts grumble grumble - evening all
 
@ThePhD future is the value, promise is the way to provide it
 
@JonClements At least its not budget cuts.
 
@JonClements electric power cuts? And how are you connecting to the internet then?
 
@MarcoA. well - it's either 1) the power is back on or 2) magic - take a guess? :p
 
9:05 PM
With battery powered devices, duh
 
@JonClements 2.
 
I hope this is not some kind of "save the planet" bs
 
Save the beer cause i need it
Fuck the rest of the planet trho
 
inb4 "volkswagen already thought of that before you, cat"
 
Holy damn, lab power supplies are cheaper than I thought
 
9:06 PM
volskwagen can go fuck itself
 
I need to buy one
 
Are you making a lab
 
@CatPlusPlus it pretty much already has, surely? :p
 
I already have a lab
I need more gear tho
 
I don't know or care about cards
Or cars
OR whetever
STones
Getid
 
9:07 PM
I wanted such a power supply for a long time
Hmm 5A max current
I assume it's at maximum voltage, which would be 150W, which is decent
 
@ThePhD they are two ends of a channel. Promise is the sender's end, future is the receiver's and
 
@CatPlusPlus What? What's wrong with you? How can you care more about beer than the planet vodka?
 
*end
Damnit
 
I rate vodkas from -10 to 0
We still have some whiskey left so rip me
 
user406009
I want to know what cat does to relax.
 
9:10 PM
Wank and play ksp
 
He makes fun of people
 
I drink and sleep in that order usually
 
@CatPlusPlus R.I.P. Cat++. May you go to a better place.
 
Today I woke up at 17 and had 4 beers and pizza for breakfast
 
I thought you already fixed your sleeping habits
 
user406009
9:11 PM
Have you gone full nocturnal?
 
Shit's temporary at best
 
user406009
I swear, half the Europeans on here seem to be.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Be careful. Cats can get jumpy about "fixed"
 
I'm fucked up beyond any repair
 
@Lalaland Programmers tend to be, regardless of nationality.
 
9:12 PM
I'll just go to sleep I guess. Boring work whole day event
I sooooo don't wanna go
But meeting people who are completely irrelevant to my work is apparently important
Like, fuck meeting
Running around some forest and doing the games that will showcase that managers are actually alpha males
 
well
 
Nocturnal is best
 
The trick is to be manaegr
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't blame you. I hate having to work more than a half day (at most).
 
I just realized that The Escapist is so shit, I don't even go there for Zero Punctuation anymore.
 
9:14 PM
I hate having to work
I'm destined for more important things
Like games
and beer
 
And hating rubby
 
I don't have to use it anymore so I don't care
 
user406009
Retiring quickly is one of my personal life goals.
 
@JerryCoffin I was definitely full nocturnal when unemployed.
 
9:15 PM
Where quickly is within next 10 years
 
yesterday, by Johan Larsson
he purrs
 
user406009
I just need to find a way to live on as little money as possible.
 
@AndyProwl what were the most impressive talks so far for you?
 
alright
 
@Lalaland Stop gonig to strip clubs
 
9:18 PM
so I can't buy a house in 2018.
 
worked for me
 
but I could try in 2019.
 
I'm aiming for a flat in next 10 years
4 is unrealistic
 
I've run the numbers and I can make it.
 
Are you budgeting
 
9:19 PM
yep
 
Add some error margin because fuck knows about jobs
I don't want to mortgage
I want to pay in cash
 
the largest error margin is in my generous estimate of house price rises in the future
where I basically assumed the worst case
 
The worst case is you lose your job and can't pay for shit for who knows how long
2
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus isn't that a little foolish? As long as the interest payments are less than rent ...
 
Doesn't matter
Rent is much less obligation than credit
You can suspend paying off mortgage for few months at best
With renting you can always find some dirthole for nothing
 
9:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus At least in the US, you can get insurance specifically to pay your mortgage in case of long-term disability (and it's pretty cheap too--I used to pay something like $6/month for insurance on a $100000 mortgage).
 
@TemplateRex Good question. I'm not sure. I liked the static analysis thingy, there were 2 talks about it. One was Herb's keynote. Jon Kalb's talk was fun, but not technical. Howard's work was very nice. If you hadn't seen Eric's talk on ranges, that was also quite good.
 
Insurance is not 100% certain either
 
@Puppy what kind of house you want?
 
I just don't want debts
Of any kind
 
I'll probably rent forever.
 
9:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus Certainly can't here in the UK
 
How much is a flat in Poland?
 
Even if it means paying more in total in retrospect
 
@AndyProwl what about STL's talk? I just saw Sean Parent's, the guy sounds like he's on completey different plane, holding back 90% of what he actually could say
 
I have 2-year contract with the ISP and that's stretching my confidence
 
I pay ~500EUR for my apartment (rent + building maintance costs)
 
9:26 PM
@CatPlusPlus The difference is that when you're done paying the mortgage, you own the property. When you pay rent, you just pay money and then you keep paying indefinitely and receive nothing in return
 
I can't imagine 15+ year contact with a fucking bank
@Puppy I'm aware
But mortgage is still way fucking harder to get out of
Worst case I can go back to living with my mom
 
My flat in Munich did cost 1200€/month.. 24 square meters (a very small room)
 
expenses excluded
 
But credit? Haha you're going to pay it back or you're better off dead
 
9:27 PM
@TemplateRex STL's was enjoyable, he's a very precise and clear speaker, but nothing particularly impressive about his materials IMO. I am not particularly fond of Sean's keynote but it's partly because I have not really understood the philosophical part, and the non-philosophical part seems obvious to me and hard to achieve in general
 
And that's just putting the burden on someone else anyway
 
user1804599
ugh fucking case-insensitive file system
 
user1804599
can't have DeclID.class and declID.class
 
None of the two CppCon 2015 were particularly good
 
Why the fuck would you
 
9:28 PM
There was also an inspiring talk about denotational semantics and functional design
 
@AndyProwl and Andrei? his C++ talks the last few years were rather meh
 
user406009
@Puppy it depends on the interest rate and how much the house grows in value.
 
Denotational semantics and C++ doesn't really mix
 
user406009
Sometimes you are better off renting and buying stocks
 
Nothing fucking grows in value
Except Facebook maybe
 
9:29 PM
@Lalaland Well, you pretty much always get the property once you pay off the mortgage. And it's almost unthinkable that house prices don't rise over like, 30 years.
 
@TemplateRex he repeated the same old talks so I did not go there. I manage to attend the Q&A part of the first talk and it was fun
 
@AndyProwl so all in all, worth the price of admission to go over there?
 
House prices are dependent on population growth
It's not guaranteed rise
 
user406009
@Puppy The question is whether stocks will rise faster.
 
stocks are a lot riskier
 
9:30 PM
Yes
Stocks is something you pay for with money you're comfortable with losing
 
user406009
Not over the long term.
 
Well most investments are really
 
in the long term the company you invested in goes bust
 
I don't want to buy a flat to invest though
 
@TemplateRex For me yes. It's an interesting experience, you get to know people, exchange opinions, ask questions directly to the experts etc.
 
9:31 PM
I just want to fucking have a flat
 
@Lalaland Yes, over the long term, unless you diversify quite a bit (which takes a lot of money if you're buying stocks directly).
 
@CatPlusPlus How much is the flat?
 
@AndyProwl how many people recognized you from SO?
 
user406009
You invest in the entire market, not individual companies. Index funds, etc
 
that's still a lot riskier than a property
 
9:32 PM
Stocks is something you can put a lot of money into to sometimes get even more money from
On scrub level it's not really that worth it
 
but FTR I would still put some money in the stock market
 
@Lalaland In that case, it's mostly diversification that's minimizing your risk.
 
user406009
@AndyProwl You should have worn a shirt advertising your Hitler video.
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Yes, and a house is not a diversified asset at all.
 
Indices don't have that much of a ROI than actual entities that grow beyond expectations
 
9:33 PM
@TemplateRex I mean apart from the "omg I'm standing next to bjarne while I ask howard my question", the social component is interesting. People from SO... Griwes and James McNellis, plus Howard. No one else I guess
 
AFAIK there are things were you put your extra money in some bank and they guarantee you some small percentage of gain, but you are somehow restricted to keep it there for some time or something.
 
@Puppy you do realize that certain future price rises are reflected in today's property values?
 
yep
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Those are called certificates of deposits. Returns are very low.
 
Investment is a fun topic when you have money to spare
 
9:34 PM
Yes
 
@Lalaland that would have not been wise I'm afraid. I was considering submitting a lightning talk about it to explain but then I realized it would have been inappropriate at this event
 
When you're scraping by to just have a fucking something to call home the future value is not as important as what you can pay for right now
 
Lol.
 
@AndyProwl bjarne sounded a bit annoyed when answering questions in his keynote (they were not the brightest questions )
 
Inappropriate. :D
 
9:35 PM
I always find it funny to hear him talk, he uses digit separators when he pronounces overload (like o'erload)
 
@TemplateRex He was visibly tired after the keynote. I went up to him to ask a question myself and he did not look too happy about it
 
Timed deposits are just a way to get around inflation
It's not something you'll get rich on
 
@AndyProwl they probably have been working like crazy to get that insane guideline document out
 
@TemplateRex You'd be annoyed too if you had to talk to so many nerds
I hit the right butan
this time
 
@CatPlusPlus probably, and so few pretty ones as well
 
9:38 PM
@TemplateRex that alone is not enough to explain IMO. Probably travelling, age, personal reasons, dunno
Or maybe it's just hos character
Or maybe the fact that he's constantly exposed to criticism
 
I overspent on fun this month
rip me
 
@AndyProwl He is?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Of course. He was principally responsible for one of the most controversial languages to ever exist.
 
@AndyProwl must be o'erworked and o'erloaded
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ yes
 
user406009
9:42 PM
Bjarne is pretty cool though. He gave a talk at my company last summer.
 
user1804599
Baracco Bjarne
 
Bjarnewb
 
@Lalaland did you get a beer with him afterwards?
 
user406009
No. It was a packed room of like 200 people.
 
user406009
And he had to leave right after.
 
9:44 PM
@Lalaland big company?
 
I think people like Andrei or Howard would be the most fun to have a beer with
 
Andrei yep. Jon too
 
user406009
@AndyProwl Facebook
 
@Lalaland ah, makes sense
 
user406009
Supposedly he was giving talks to a bunch of companies in SF during the summer.
 
user406009
9:45 PM
He made a big point of asking for C++ feature requests.
 
@Lalaland did you show him the Modules bunker spoof? :)
 
He saw that
 
user406009
Bjarne was actually the top comment on reddit.
 
user406009
@TemplateRex No. I didn't interact with him at all.
 
@Puppy I guess he got criticism back in the days, but now? Constantly exposed to criticism? I doubt that. He has stopped being the God of C++ for quite some time now. He is just one of the most influential person in the committee.
 
that doesn't change the public perception of him as responsible
and not everybody liked the direction of C++11/14/17
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ most people associate his name with c++ and with all the problems of c++, even when he's not responsible for all of them
 
user406009
@AndyProwl How does it feel to have created the #1 post of all time in the cpp subreddit?
 
@Lalaland lol, it's not my post, ask Stacked :P
 
user406009
Your content though.
 
9:49 PM
Yeah. I dunno I never really used reddit so it doesn't feel super special
Other Hitler videos like the one on git have like millions views
 
Oh, Sean Parent's video is available.
 
@Stacked let me know what you think when you've seen it /cc @JerryCoffin
 
@AndyProwl I tend to avoid videos, but I may take a look if I get a chance.
 
9:52 PM
@AndyProwl I like it thus far. He's talking about his recent experience with keynotes.
 
@TemplateRex Geeze--you'd almost think XBox live had a broader appeal than C++ or something...
 
@JerryCoffin it's the C++-jugend program
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think this was a golden showcase for Nonius:
if you're interested in the benchmark game, here is the code https://github.com/Geal/nom_benchmarks/tree/master/http and the results http://dev.unhandledexpression.com/slides/strangeloop-2015/#35.0 #strangeloop
See my twitter replies for the nonius of it
 
@Template yeah
 
@AndyProwl the anonymouses
 
9:57 PM
@Jerry no pressure. It's just to double-check if my confusion is shared. I plan to watch that once more
 
user406009
@sehe Ah, another upcoming Rust library!
 
You mean nom? Has been in the making for > a year now
 
@sehe What're they trying to test?
 
Performance of "Nom" parser combinator when parsing http requests (compared to AttoParsec and manual C parsing)
I fixed the benchmarking of the C parser
Well. Tried. Didn't look at the parsing code/test logic
 
@sehe can we all take a moment
 
10:00 PM
To do what?
 
to curse whoever thought it was a good idea to make the notation for slurs, phrases and ties the same
 
Nope. It's fine, really. How would you wish to differentiate? And why
 
what
 
Music notation.
 
ah
 
10:01 PM
I mean the distinction is interesting for the typesetter, but not so much for the musician. Unless you're a midi machine
 
@sehe I just find it annoying because I generally ignore the slur and phrases until I've pretty much learned the entire piece and start perfecting 'intonation'
 
Don't :)
 
and they make visual noise so it's hard to spot the ties
@sehe a good analogy would be to make your download button look like an ad
 
From what I think I remember you playing, there's no need for you to do that in phases. Doing it in phases just trains the wrong motoric habits...
 
Oh btw
 
10:03 PM
@orlp Except that clicking on the adds wouldn't actually do a thing
 
Steinway grand piano from 1899
 
It's a different one then?
 
Access not granted :(
 
makes sense
 
not really
 
10:04 PM
It's in the hotel I'm staying at
 
an instrument not being played is one wasted :P
they're not to look at
they're to make sounds
 
1899
 
so?
that's not that old
 
That's to make sounds if you know what you're doing.
@orlp Buy your own. Then we'll talk
 
personally I really don't get people's desire to own old stuff
that piano is nothing more than a giant waste of space if it's not being used to play
 
10:05 PM
like
I could understand it if it was some famous dude's piano
 
nope, doesn't make any difference really
 
user406009
@Puppy I agree.
 
user406009
People own too much junk they never use.
 
@Puppy It's in a hotel or conference center. It will probably be used - but not for the conference. Not that hard to figure out
 
user406009
You just gotta throw stuff away.
 
10:06 PM
@orlp Would you say the same thing if it was a Lamborghini standing there?
 
@sehe Looks to me more like an attempt at a museum exhibit.
 
Because it's really comparable
@Puppy Who will tell. Where you there? Have you asked?
 
@sehe lamborghini's are made to look at
 
obviously not.
 
Reaaaaaaally
 
10:07 PM
@sehe why else would you buy one?
to do groceries really fast?
 
that's completely irrelevant, though, since I clearly stated the precondition which is it not being used to play.
 
@AndyProwl So did you complain to the manager and tell them you wouldn't be back until they get a Bösendorfer 290?
 
You know. With so many fallacies, I'm done. Instruments get old. Some are preserved because they play really well and have special sound. A hotel might have weekly jazz evenings or similar and it could be used for that. I dunno.
@JerryCoffin with the extra bass keys
 
@sehe ...a whole extra octave of them, to be exact.
 
And with a technician on call for tuning and intonation
 
10:09 PM
when I was a child we had a grand piano
I think it was a Blüthner
 
These can be nice
Often they're not (they're not usually too durable)
 
@Jerry sure, first thing I've done :P
 
it wasn't a good fit for me tbh
I was rather young
and those keys were heavy
 
Oooh. I've never seen a Blüthner grand that was heavy
 
I'll ask my dad next time I speak him
 
10:11 PM
Actually, not many grands are. Because, that's like having a Porsche with the handling of landrover
 
what exactly it was
I'm fairly certain I got the brand right, but not 100%
 
It will be Bluthner. That's pretty common in the Netherlands. And not in the overly expensive segment
 
@sehe Yeah--and they generally sound pretty awful for people who haven't practiced quite a bit specifically on them. Pretty much the worst possible choice for a place like a hotel.
 
@sehe also keep in mind that I was young, so what I perceived as heavy back then I might find light now
 
@JerryCoffin Who do think plays them in a hotel?
 
10:14 PM
@sehe A few have a long-term resident player, and for that it might be fine. Most have various players coming through for a few weeks to months at a time--and probably no more than 1 in 50 has played a Bösendorfer before.
 
> #unicornspotting
lol
 
@JerryCoffin Are you suggesting the guests play them? I've not seen that happen before.
 
lol herb just came to me out of nowhere thanking me for playing
 
I have the impression they're there either for decoration /or/ in rare cases they have rooms for cocktail parties and "jazz club" nights.
 
10:16 PM
@sehe Normal guests? No, not usually. Usually they hire somebody specifically to play (though I suppose part of the payment might be getting to stay in the hotel for the duration--I've no idea about that).
 
I don't think so :)
I've played at these places (parties, weddings, receptions and recently big band nights (that was pool-side)) and they might include dinner, but sure as hell not accomodation. Well. America might be different. It's a big country
@AndyProwl That is nice
 
I wanna buy a fender rhodes bass
dat sound
 
@sehe indeed
Conference is ovee
That's a bit sad
 
@sehe Like I said, I really don't know about that part (nor have any good idea of how much such gigs pay at all).
 
Aww band is playing space oddity
Not leaving
 
10:27 PM
@JerryCoffin in case of parties it's the "tenant" (i.e. the bride/groom) that pay. In case of dinner/cocktail whatever the pay is ... well. The dinner is nice :)
It will depend on the stage obviously. But for the "average city hotel" that is not something to make a living off.
 
user406009
@AndyProwl It's not over until you watch every talk!
 
And the fat lady sings
 
@sehe I guess I wouldn't expect it to be, as a rule. I suppose there might be a few players in places like Las Vegas who aren't quite well enough known to be headline acts, but still make a living off it, but even that's more hypothetical than anything I'm certain happens (and if there are some, it's still probably only a handful).
 
Oh. Vegas is an outlier
That's probably more like cruise ships
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Should I recommend you?
 
10:37 PM
I talked to Jens, hopefully he'll help starting a user group in Czech Republic
 
Jens rubs me the wrong way
 
I'm not sure if rubbing you the right way is preferable
 
I have to say he had the same effecf on me but when talking to him in person he was very kind
 
Oh he's kind. He's good at coordinating and organizing, I suppose
@Puppy for me it is
 
@sehe please show on the doll where he rubbed you
 
10:42 PM
lol
 
@orlp Somehow just knew somebody was going to post that. Just surprised it wasn't me...
 
@JerryCoffin i gues you could say... youre rubbing off on us badumtss
 
struct node
{
    delete item;
    delete nextByName;
    delete nextByRating;
};
delete headByName;
delete headByRating;
 
@JerryCoffin Or Robot :D
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ How is that legal ?
 
10:46 PM
It's not AFAIK
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ what the bloody hell
 
@Borgleader Just another noob who hasn't figured out even a rough idea of C++ syntax yet. Move along. Nothing to see here.
 
^^ The "Human after all" mix starting around 2m is intriguing.
 
Well, as he's written things, his basic idea seems to be that each node in a linked list owns the successor nodes. So there's a little more than just syntax that he hasn't figured out yet. Still not particularly interesting though.
 
10:52 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ That code looks deleterious.
 
Created a pull request with the bug fix github.com/boostorg/spirit/pull/157sehe 7 secs ago
yay
@StackedCrooked didn't you have something for this:
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Q: How can I eliminate the boilerplate of this enum to string mapping code?

void.pointerI have the following code that not only defines a scoped enumeration, but also has a corresponding mapping with it so I can use the stringized version of its enumerators directly with iostream operator overloads. enum class ArbitraryNumbers { One, Two, Three, Four, Five }; n...

 
I just write a switch using a vim macro.
 
@sehe dat answer
 
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A: enum to string in modern C++ and future C++17

StackedCrookedBack in 2011 I spent a weekend fine-tuning a macro-based solution and ended up never using it. My current procedure is to start Vim, copy the enumerators in an empty switch body, start a new macro, transform the first enumerator into a case statement, move the cursor to the beginning of the next...

 
10:59 PM
@Borgleader I haven't seen that
@StackedCrooked I'm not posting it :) Just thought you might
 

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