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2:00 AM
@IskarJarak Are you familiar with lisp because mathematica can do everything and more then lisp can do? Theoretically most languages can because they are turing complete but that is besides the point.
 
progress on inkdoc
decided to run it for the first time
got extension thing sorta-working
 
@William are you trolling me? because this has nothing to do with the purpose of SymbolicC
 
you can do .. inkfile:: somefile.hpp and it "works".
I mean the output is a bit wrong but that's easy to fix.
 
@William which as I currently understand it is to manipulate and generate C code. which is what melak47 and I were figuring out earlier
 
@IskarJarak That's why they created SymbolicC so you have access to the lisp like functions in Mathematica. No I'm not trolling.
 
2:03 AM
That particular implementation collected diffuse light information into a coarse voxel grid (rasterizing a scene from GI-participating lights' POVs) and then a scattering approach was used to propagate the lighting across it during multiple iterations (encoded via spherical harmonics). And then the propagated lighting was simply sampled during the light accumulation of the final render.

As for the high frequency lighting, the glossy surfaces like the metal, that's sampled from automatically spaced points in the scene and stored into an equirectangular texture (basically, a replacement for
 
Otherwise what is the point?
 
Some people here have been asking themselves the same thing for a while now
 
@William My point is that you said "it is kinda like c + lisp without the garbage collector and it must be computed beforehand(although this can be worked around with a c interpeter)." and that had basically no relevance to what I was talking about at the time
 
Surprise I'm trolling! No I'm just kidding. I was just trying to help sorry.
 
:D
That was funny
 
2:06 AM
8-)
 
Hahahahaha
XD
 
tu meke
 
top tier kek
 
@ElimGarak I understood some of these words
How many iterations? Render time?
 
oh whoa
inkdoc works
yeeeee
 
2:09 AM
It guesses how much is needed, maxing out at 8. Rendering is capped at 60 Hz (vsync). It's pretty cheap as it is only realtime diffuse GI + predistributed discrete sampling points for glossy, convolved with the sBRDf as an offline step.
 
.. inkfile:: small.hpp turns the small.hpp file into this
feels good man
 
Well, my bugfix is in, tentatively. It's hard to test for - so QA will have to do it tomorrow :(
The fix was way too simple, really, so I expect things to surprise. But maybe it'll be a positive surprise.
Night all!
 
Night.
 
Night seehee.
 
It's all explained in my Spoofing Reality book (and far more), which is going to be freely available. If LaTeX doesn't destroy my soul. And not in the shitty way like in papers or condensed in paragraphs. I derive all the math. Because I remember reading papers at 13 years old and not understanding shit and feeling profoundly sad. They just dropped these sausage integrals and I had no idea where the fuck they came from.
 
2:12 AM
man
it works too good
 
@ElimGarak Maybe I should derive stuff too.
 
@ElimGarak That's very neat.
Do you use logarithms?
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Logarithms? They appear all over the place, most notably in implementations for redistributing the depth precision for far terrain rendering.
The regular approach is absolute z-fighting close range shit. Once more, I want teh double precision. Quad precision, plx.
 
@ElimGarak logarithms
What's preventing you from using DP?
 
(begging for OoC star?)
 
2:16 AM
If you're hungry for stars just mention cock here and there.
2
 
SP peak is 5 TFLOPS for a GTX 980. DP is like 1 TFLOPS (Xbox One performance almost, at 1.2). It gets butchered with it, so no dice until Nvidia actually wakes the fuck up.
 
Sprinkle it around.
I heard it gets all the stars.
 
Sep 15 at 8:41, by Tony The Lion
no more cock please
 
I think I'm gonna stop working on inkdoc since I'm on a good note atm.
I'll work on this anguish later.
 
@sehe You pervert
 
2:18 AM
o.O
 
tfw I'm the only one who will use this probably
 
That's always a good start.
Make it worth something for /you/
 
ofc
 
@ElimGarak Yes but if your usage of DP is reasonable it should be OK-ish, some GPUs can schedule DP and SP simultaneously
 
my biggest problem with that though
 
2:19 AM
@Rapptz rip
 
is that I design and write things with what I want in mind and then I realise that someone else wants X and it requires me to mess a lot with the design of what I wrote in the first place
granted it doesn't happen too often but it'll probably happen a lot here since this code is pretty mediocre
 
I actually have a chapter on deriving Rayleigh scattering from classical electrodynamics and then converting that information to how much is lost on each meter of propagation through the participating media (atmosphere). Instead of just giving the scattering coefficients to people and telling them to go fuck themselves.
Also, some pretty funky background on Project Manhattan, Monte Carlo pwnage, statistics in general, even how to derive the various distro equations from scratch. Man, if people don't appreciate that shit, I'll be mad.
 
Goodnight, everybody, I love you deep down inside too. :)
 
Does that mean you'll share your gf with us?
 
@ElimGarak lol
I like your style
 
2:25 AM
Good Fun? Yes.
 
Anyone here ever had a Dell lock up on them, like ask for a password when they start up the computer?
I just started it up after several years, and it's asking for a password, and I don't know it. :(
 
And also, explaining that the Henyey Greenstein phase function from the 1940s is completely approximated from empirical data gathered while studying interstellar dust, instead of making young Elim chase a fucking pdf of a paper that was spawned the same year as my dead grandfather.
 
Several years is a really long boot time
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Not sure if you're trying to be funny. The laptop hadn't been used for like 3 or 4 years. I just started it up and it's asking for a password.
 
@DemCodeLines Is the OS asking you for a password or some low level thingie?
 
2:29 AM
BIOS
"This computer system is protected by a password authentication. You cannot access the data on this computer without the correct password."
 
Encryption, heh. Either that or a lame-ass pointless password gate.
 
I didn't set that up, what the heck
 
Just reformat the entire drive, you haven't used it in years, can't be anything important there.
 
> Not sure if you're trying to be funny
 
I can't get in. Dell logo appears and then it just goes straight to this white screen. I can't get into BIOS settings or anything.
 
2:33 AM
No I am genuinely surprise it took that long to boot up
How is that not clear? :/
Apologies for the confusion
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva It didn't. I am simply saying that I started it up after a couple years.
 
> To discover a working BIOS password for your Dell, enter the Service Tag from your Dell into our password generator tool. The Service Tag will be documented on a small sticker on the bottom, back, or side of your Dell PC. The Service Tag is a 7 digit identifier that is unique to your Dell. The Service Tag is different from the 10 digit Express Service Code. The Dell web site also has a tool to automatically detect your Service Tag.
 
Where'd you get that from?
 
There should probably also be some physical jumpers you can fuck up to clear the password.
 
I have yet to find a tool that can generate a password to unlock it.
 
2:35 AM
In the future, try not to brick anymore of your hardware by setting passwords for irrelevant stuff. :P
 
That worked...But should I be scared that they have my Service Tag number now?
 
Nah, contrary to public belief, corporations don't really give a fuck about the little guy's private info. :P
That's why I don't mind Microsoft collecting data from my Windows 10 usage. As far as porn is concerned, I am into some hot shit and they could learn a thing or two for me, make the world a better place.
 
2:52 AM
Taking a break from #cppcon to buy some new std::vectors here... http://t.co/2MViToCWsl
 
3:12 AM
inb4 condoms
I'm getting the weirdest stacktrace ever this is not going to be a fun day
Segfault in std::function destructor?
makes perfect sense
 
heh
mess probably started long before
 
was lot of shame-starrable stuff today
 
user406009
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Have you tried valgrind yet?
 
It's on a production machine so I need to upload a asan/ubsan exe over there :w in progress
 
3:18 AM
fuck it not going to the lightning talk session tonight
I'm too tired
 
user406009
@AndyProwl Who needs sleep when you have caffeine?
 
@Lalaland It's not even about being sleepy, I'm just tired. I don't feel like walking there and then walking back in 90 mins
also lightning talks tend to be not super-interesting
to me at least
today I've seen one about using emacs as an IDE
it was a bit boring
 
lol using an OS as an IDE
 
anyway I got to see Sutton's work on virtual concepts /cc @rightfold
I don't like their solution very much but it's good that someone in the Committee cares about this feature
 
user406009
What are virtual concepts? A way to get a SomeConcept*and have it work magically?
 
user406009
3:22 AM
Similar to what Rust does?
 
I can't Rust
it's about language support for type erasure
based on concepts
Here is what I have if you're interested: github.com/andyprowl/virtual-concepts
they call it 'dynamic concepts' btw
 
AddressSanitizer can not provide additional info.
SUMMARY: AddressSanitizer: SEGV /usr/local/gcc-4.9.1/include/c++/4.9.1/functional:1998 std::_Function_base::~_Function_base()
good job
 
and instead of virtual they use any as a keyword. They know that can't be the final version but they agreed on postponing bike-shedding and I think it's a good move.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva perhaps a problem of double destruction? Is it possible that the function object is a data member of an object that gets deleted twice?
 
It's a map<int, std::pair<std::function, std::function>> :/ Crashes on a .erase(it) where it != end
Doesn't make sense
 
user406009
@AndyProwl Yep, sounds pretty similar in concept to what Rust does.
 
3:29 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva so I guess the map is alive at that point... how is the iterator obtained? could it be an attempt to erase twice?
@Lalaland It's also quite similar to type classes in Haskell, in a way
 
Impossible ;_; it's all mono threaded and the code is completely trivial
 
I should really look into Rust
again
 
user406009
@AndyProwl Yep. Haskell's type classes are probably one of the "original sources" as far as these things go.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva can you post it? Or compile it with VS (haha) which has debug iterators? Maybe that could give you a hint
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva you're asian or is that some beautiful model you found on the internet? ;)
 
3:32 AM
^ oh god not again /cc @Morwenn
 
It works perfectly fine with VS ;_;
 
Did this discussion already happen?
 
In fact it worked perfectly fine on Linux until I recompiled with nothing changed
 
user406009
Perhaps a std library bug?
 
@DemCodeLines the discussion of nerd-like drooling as soon as some avatar resembling a woman appears? Yes. Quite a few times
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva shite
 
3:34 AM
@DemCodeLines Are those mutually exclusive?
 
@AndyProwl lol I'm not "drooling". Was waiting for something to finish, so decided to fool around. My bad.
 
user406009
It's hard to do sarcasm over the internet.
 
user406009
I usually just end up throwing /sarcasm tags everywhere to avoid confusion.
 
Reminds me of Reddit.
Speaking of Reddit...
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I know that feeling. Usually when that happens to me it's either because of my inaccurate perception of "nothing changed" or because the code has UB and at some point it decided to display it.
 
3:36 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva I was just kidding, we all good though, right?
 
is it something you can share or make an SSCCE from?
 
user406009
There's always the classic bug finding technique of "delete half the code, check if the bug is still there. Otherwise, delete the other half." Eventually only the bug is left.
 
^ Cause debugging is too mainstream /s
 
@AndyProwl It essentially looks like this, I'll work my way to an SSCCE slowly because I can't repro on my own machine
 
k, let me take a look at it
 
user406009
3:40 AM
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva How are you creating the std::function objects?
 
user406009
std::bind?
 
All lambdas
 
user406009
Is it possible one of your bound values in the std::function has a broken copy operator?
 
user406009
Resulting in a double delete?
 
what I see looks ok to me
 
user406009
3:42 AM
I would look move into what values you are capturing in those lambdas.
 
I can only think of _callbacks being already destroyed when calling erase() but you've already confirmed that's not the case so I'm abandoning this track
gonna grab something to eat
 
Enjoy your dinner
Let's see if I can repro this on the dev machine at least =_=
 
the question is whether I can find something to eat for less than 100 dollars
grocery stores require walking outside for a while and I don't feel like
hotel restaurants require being rich
 
:D
You have a supermarket almost literally across the street.
 
maybe! but no guarantee it's open and I don't know exactly where it is :D
 
3:50 AM
It's open 24h/day. You've seen that. :P
 
no I haven't
 
Griwes x Andy homo fanfic: Andy Growls
 
you just told me that you think it is
 
Also there's a Wendy's literally 0 streets away from you.
 
what's a Wendy's
sounds kinky
 
3:50 AM
Also literally 0 planets away
 
@AndyProwl wendys.com
your google-fu doesn't seem too strong today?
 
actually a planet isn't a unit of distance
 
open until 2am!
 
no idea what they teach kids in school these days
 
@Griwes is it a burger thing?
 
3:52 AM
Yeah it's a unit of your mom's weight
 
Current Status: Learning about modern C++ style at the #cppcon lightning talks #wat http://t.co/iSS44yLwcS
 
Is that the VS STL source, I recognize the style
 
@AndyProwl Like, click the link.
 
@Griwes Like, I did
it looks like a burger thing
I don't want a burger thing
 
> be in the Land of the Free
> refuse to eat burgers
???
 
3:53 AM
@Griwes now I regret a bit that I skipped that session
 
user406009
@Griwes Trigraphs?
 
@Griwes I'm in the Land of the Fuck Burgers
 
Standup lightning talk at #cppcon http://t.co/h6KTyijsUS
hmm
 
user406009
@AndyProwl Ah come on, there's still restaurants open at 9pm.
 
@Lalaland I think those have been removed. I'd say digraphs
 
3:55 AM
@Lalaland Well, if he says he doesn't want burgers, his options are limited (this being America and all).
 
@Lalaland Walking outside, looking for things, no feel like
I'll crawl down the lobby
ideally I'd buy fruit, greek yogurt, cottage cheese, and some cooked ham
 
user406009
Aren't you in downtown Bellevue? There's a bunch of stuff there.
 
Use your google maps and, like, go straight to where you want to be
@AndyProwl You'll find that at that market.
 
user406009
(Like, for example, a wonderful YogurtLand)
 
@Griwes what market?
 
3:57 AM
@AndyProwl The one that's a block away from you and is open 24h/day?
 
@Griwes Even assuming I know exactly where it is, I don't get lost, and it's really open 24h/day:
10 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
grocery stores require walking outside for a while and I don't feel like
I would have gone to the lightning talks session otherwise
 
4:09 AM
So, hows the lounge going?
 
user406009
A distinct lack of recent drama lately.
 
Also a distinct lack of recent food
 
And a distinct lack of news on Skylake laptops.
 
FMA!
 
I should just get out and look for a shop but starving to death is way more practical
 
4:13 AM
In the near future, you can have unlimited food by using sunlight but the added free-radicals will reduce your life span by 40 years. Choice?
 
I think I should have stolen food at the conference
fruit at least
 
just torrent it
 
perhaps the solution is to go to sleep
 
_sleep, it works better
 
They say if you're in the wilderness and it's cold. Don't fall asleep or you're not gonna wake up.
You need the metabolism to prevent freezing.
 
4:19 AM
also to get out the wilderness
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva doesn't this look similar to your issue? gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59255
is it possible you have a buggy GCC?
also wtf don't they have unit tests to catch these regression bugs
hm, apparently this was fixed in 4.8 though and your version seems to be 4.9
 
I suspect unit tests failing on large projects is a common thing (only way to explain MSVC).
 
that sounds horrible
 
I started sending MS frowns with the caption Bro do you even unit test?
 
if unit tests fail you don't commit and if the fail on the build machine you don't release
 
4:24 AM
It seems that some projects are more technically challenging than others
 
sure, but that's no excuse
@Griwes how's the slide preparation going?
yesterday I bought a book called "Peopleware" by Tom DeMarco and Timothy Lister
has anyone read it?
I hope I'll find interesting insights
 
4:40 AM
@AndyProwl it's... going ;d
 
I'm getting curious
 
Though the slides won't be the most engaging slides ever.
I'm yet to learn how to do that :P
 
@AndyProwl hmmmm interesting
But that's an ICE :D not a runtime segfault
 
ah
you're right, I didn't read that carefully
 
Just back from lunch I'll try to reduce that to a SSSSCCEEEE
@AndyProwl But the error is very similar
 
4:57 AM
> If hlint is like having a drunken undergraduate do a code review, herbie is like having a drunken numerical analyst pore over every line of code you've written offering up suggestions for how to improve stability without much considering the surrounding context.
a ringing endorsement
 
5:16 AM
Does anyone know if Visual Studio's compiler (I think that's VC++) supports Boost.TypeOf? Or to get to the real bottom of the XY problem, does VC++ support Boost.MSM's EUML?
 
wow I can repro on the dev machine
amazing
stack trace still doesn't make sense though
 
at least you can repro
now you should be able to derive an ass ass see see-ee
 
+1 for massive ass ass see see-ee
 
Yeah, and then maybe post it on SO :-)
 
Oh. I think I know where it comes from.
omg if it's that
 
5:24 AM
suspence
 
c’est qui pence
 
No it's not that. :(
despair
 
show us your ass ass etc.
 
5:44 AM
all right, think I'll slowly try to get some sleep
night guise
 
5:57 AM
it is not about c++, it is just nonsense talk
2
 
@AndyProwl nite slep tite
 
mawning
 
Wow, Happy Birthday is finally in the public domain.
I hate that song actually.
 
Yea I just read that too
 
Most annoying song ever.
 
6:10 AM
Nice try, GEMA
 
I bet the Daft Punk guys also browse reddit.
 
The Stevie Wonder song?
 
Australian feral camels are feral populations of two species of camel; mostly dromedaries (Camelus dromedarius) but also some bactrian camels (Camelus bactrianus). Imported into Australia from Arabia, India and Afghanistan during the 19th century for transport and construction during the colonisation of the central and western parts of Australia, many were released into the wild after motorised transport replaced the camels' role in the early 20th, forming a fast-growing feral population. By 2008, it was feared that this population numbered about one million, and was projected to double every 8...
TIL ^
> It turns out that none of the sand in Saudi Arabia is able to be used for construction, so in order for them to build any structures, they require a different type of sand which they are able to import from Australia.
also Saudi Arabia imports sand from Aussie because their sand isn't any use
 
6:48 AM
@TonyTheLion For a second there I thought this was one of those rare occasions where kitty shared something interesting, related to her homeland.
Then I realized: EPUSSYTOOBIG
 
telkitty is Saudi?!
 
you got it
 
@sehe hahaha you're funny :)
 
Worst part of sleeping too little: my eyesight doesn't come on in the morning.
I sit here peering at the screen wondering why the zoom isn't helping
 
oh my
 
6:51 AM
Let's hope cafeine works
 
7:01 AM
@sehe did it wor?
 
"Codes in detail will be appreciated." is a very funny constraint given the complete lack of code in the question — sehe 7 secs ago
@orlp Slowly getting better
The music is helping too :) livecoding.tv/sehe
 
@sehe put shoe on head
:D
 
whats the easiest way to memory align an std::vector?
 
@Mikhail you mean align such that v[0] is aligned to N bytes?
 
Yep, I need 32byte boundary to test a performance regresion
 
7:08 AM
impossible
without custom allocators, that is
 
wow my internet is SOOOO bad
nothing loads
 
Internets would run faster if they were aligned to an ipv6 boundary
 
@orlp what!?
 
@sehe it's a livestreaming maymay
 
7:12 AM
sehe can you livestream you demolishing a newbie with your classic subtlety pls
 
user1804599
7:24 AM
Hi.
 
@elyse hihi
 
Hi
 
Each time I commute, it's a battlefield...
Like it's so important to get on board before the others or to shotgun free seats
 
anyone here familiar with debugging windows drivers?
 
user1804599
No.
 
7:36 AM
@sehe you know we can hear the other people in your skype chat on your livecoding stream. only you are muted...
 
@Rerito which line are you on?
 
@Mr.kbok RER A, M9
 
user1804599
 
@Rerito ouch
@elyse wtf
 
Did you downvote his repo
> :heart: "pH7CMS" :couple: is a Professional & Open Source Social Dating CMS written in object-oriented PHP with the MVC pattern (Model-View-Controller). It is low resource-intensive, extremely powerful and very secure. pH7CMS comes with more than 29 native modules and based on the pH7Framework
 
7:42 AM
@thecoshman Not bad :D
 
> WARNING, your code/modification must be of excellent quality.
how can it be if it's in PHP
 
user1804599
link?
 
@elyse the bloody homepage honey
 
user1804599
??????
 
user1804599
> It is designed with the KISS principle in mind
 
@AndyProwl Upload an image of a female starfish and you'll have the ame problem, too :p
 
of course a social dating app is designed around the kiss principle
 
The screenshots will make you blind
 
user1804599
lol the Hosting section
 
user1804599
> Website

Social Dating Script
 
user1804599
lol
 
Regular Price $845
Save Today $448!
Today: $397!
rightfold you missed a great contribution opportunity
 
user1804599
No.
 
Oh jeez @HerbSutter now that you mentioned Rust in your slides the Rust fanboys are going to cum all over reddit again
 
7:49 AM
lol
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
(lol @ Rust, not at Herb or Reddit)
 
> using const_iterator = std::conditional_t<std::is_same<typename BoundsType::mapping_type, contiguous_mapping_tag>::value, contiguous_array_view_iterator<basic_array_view<const ValueType, BoundsType>>, general_array_view_iterator<basic_array_view<const ValueType, BoundsType>>>;
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
dat visual pun
 
7:52 AM
Cat(egory)
How funny would it be if Rust failed miserably and lifetimes were incorporated into C++21? How mad.
 
I've never tried Rust
is it really that bad?
 
not really
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva not very funnyy
 
user1804599
Writer monad is great for validation.
 

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