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1:00 PM
Hum, ok.
 
@StackedCrooked Big white monster, you mean like the marshmallow monster from Ghost Busters?
 
I feel like being offended at someone but can't decide on what topic
sigh
 
@MaiLongdong where?
 
Wow that's none of your business
hmmm no too fake
Let's try the jabbascript room
 
user406009
We are much more offensive than the JavaScript room.
 
1:03 PM
@MaiLongdong but I want to rent you?
 
user406009
@MaiLongdong Wow, really?
 
acnescript 6
 
@MaiLongdong It’s ECZEMAScript.
 
Merdascript
 
user406009
C++ has it's own share of bad defects as well.
 
1:07 PM
Wrong
 
user406009
The most vexing parse is a specific form of syntactic ambiguity resolution in the C++ programming language. The term was used by Scott Meyers in Effective STL (2001). It is formally defined in section 8.2 of the C++ language standard. == Example with classes == An example is: The line is ambiguous, since it could be interpreted either as a variable definition for variable time_keeper of class TimeKeeper, initialized with an anonymous instance of class Timer or a function declaration for a function time_keeper which returns an object of type TimeKeeper and has a single (unnamed) parameter which...
 
user406009
Exhibit A:
 
Cut some slack. It’s quite hard to invent efficient defects.
 
I call that the baddie's parse personally
 
user406009
Anyways, JavaScript isn't the true enemy. PHP is.
 
1:12 PM
Both are.
JS is bullshit.
Especially when brought out of the browser.
 
user406009
At least JS is improving itself quite nicely.
 
Exhibit A: the code I'm fighting with at work these days.
 
user406009
Alot of their existing functionality was broken, so they replaced them with a new set of keywords.
 
Resistance is futile
 
user406009
var -> let
function -> =>
 
user406009
1:14 PM
@Griwes See if you can use Flow (flowtype.org). It makes some things much saner.
 
user406009
And babeljs.
 
@Lalaland I'd much rather just use a real language.
 
Is there a reason why all javascript ecosystem has unsearchable names
Flow, hack, atom, shit
How am I supposed to google that
 
I mean, if all you are going to use JS for is backend...
...then the best choice is to not use JS at all.
 
Xeo
@sehe Yeah, I saw that after taking a closer look. It may just be a case of misbehaving instantiations. The compiler needs to instantiate all found get overloads, and one of them may just have an indirect hard-error that kills the compilation. (Only direct hard-errors in the context of the call cause SFINAE)
 
1:15 PM
And instead write code in something that compiles to something sensible.
 
user406009
@Griwes It's much easier to switch to better tooling than rewrite in another language.
 
@Lalaland It's easier to start the project in a sensible language to begin with.
 
user406009
I would at least look into BabelJS + Flow types.
 
hi guys. does anyone here uses other kinds of ide other than visual studio for c++?
 
Qt Creator, vim, etc
 
1:18 PM
@MaiLongdong android versions are even more cryptic to search engines: Cupcake, Eclair, KitKat ... are they trying fatten up smart phone developers or something?
 
Ell
@rocky I use emacs + ycmd + projectile
Plus a few other things
 
Also
>visual studio
>ide
doubtful
 
user406009
Visual Studio is a pretty decent option for Windows though.
 
user406009
Other than their sucky compiler.
 
my visual studio does not work properly. :/ i use visual studio 2005 since it's the verison used in our training. :/
 
user406009
1:20 PM
(Well relatively sucky)
 
> visual studio 2005
 
user406009
@rocky Get one of the free versions of the newest visual studio then.
 
VS 2005? Call your local archeologists immediately
 
only 10 years behind
 
Does VS 2005 even compile int main() {}
 
user406009
1:21 PM
@rocky CodeBlocks is also a good option for starting C++ development.
 
user406009
Because it's a very simple IDE.
 
does codeblocks allow the use of projects?
 
user406009
Yes.
 
lol codeblocks
 
i'll try it. thanks. i'll be back.
 
Ell
1:22 PM
@rocky if you looking for a new ide
Why not use visual studio?
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion It's decent and simple. Most people don't need the fancy feature if they are just getting started.
 
Code Blocks is terrible
 
user406009
@MaiLongdong What don't you like about it?
 
Implying there is something to like about it to begin with
 
1:25 PM
Generally speaking, Code::Blocks lacks features. Nothing to hate about the ones that exist, but it definitely lacks features.
 
@MaiLongdong Code is terrible. (ftfy)
 
Ell
Yeah
I need a symbol tree view for emacs
 
@Ell my visual studio has some compatibility issues with the project i made. :/
 
Ell
How will a new ide not?
Just get the most recent visual studio
and try to import
Or if it woNt work start a new proj, import old sources
 
I wonder how tricky Twitter's API is
 
1:33 PM
@набиячлевэлиь in what way?
 
@thecoshman As in: is it a fucking horrible broken piece of shit C code, or is it an undocumented clusterfuck of bad design decisions?
 
@набиячлевэлиь neither
 
Since it's written in Scala, I'd expect it to be none of those things
 
user1804599
I wrote two tests today.
 
1:35 PM
afiak, they only directly offer a web based api
 
Hi
 
user1804599
Also Mix is a nice build system.
 
they claim it's rest, but it's a terrible example. But it works
 
it seems that the codeblocks does not work? it compiles the AssemblyInfo.cpp which is not my main class. :/
 
Hrmmm, interesting
 
Ell
1:36 PM
@rocky you need to tell it how to compile your application correctly
 
user1804599
  applications =
    [:logger, :cowboy]
    |> Kernel.++(if(Mix.env == :test, do: [:ranch, :websocket_client], else: []))
 
user1804599
@rocky C++ has no such thing as a main class.
 
user1804599
There's a main function.
 
Ell
Also yes listen to elyse
 
@elyse am I right in thinking that the name of that function is controllable by compiler shit?
 
1:38 PM
ow. sorry. main function. @Ell how can i do that?
 
@rocky o_0 how do you listen?
well if you don't know how to do that, how can we tell you?
 
@Xeo grr. I suspected as much but didn't conclude that yesterday (thought it'd be sfinae, but you're right). So, fuck BGL there... How to fix that
 
Ell
@rocky I don't know
Have you googled?
Have you consulted the manual?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No.
 
user1804599
The main function in C++ is always called main.
 
user1804599
1:41 PM
Source: C++ standard.
 
@thecoshman i tried using visual studio 2005 and 2015 then now i tried codeblocks then it does not run the main function. :/
 
user1804599
@sehe how's jobhunting going
 
@rocky Have you tried shutting down the machine and pursuing a career in botany?
9
 
huh... so reading through the .obj file format spec (the 3d model format) I do believe it's part of the spec that you can embed arbitrary shell commands that are expected to be executed as the .obj is loaded/
 
@ElimGarak this
 
1:42 PM
@elyse where to start. I should devote a day to that
 
user1804599
Saturday.
 
user1804599
You have to do it anyway.
 
user1804599
Doesn't matter how long it takes.
 
yup
 
user1804599
Or do it the rightfold way and have the job find you!
 
user406009
1:43 PM
@ElimGarak Everyone makes stupid mistakes when they get started. Or did you pop right out of the womb onto a keyboard?
 
@elyse that's how I ended up with the vaporizing job :)
 
@Lalaland I saw an opportunity for star whoring and I took it. :(
 
@Lalaland how's that relevant? He also considered taking up botany
 
user1804599
Learn Erlang and go work with thecoshman at Ericsson programming in Java.
 
Also, having understanding for other people in the Lounge is a weakness and the sharks are circling. Awe, true to Caesar.
 
1:47 PM
@ElimGarak sorry, i just don't really know what to do.
 
@rocky (take it as a joke and keep working on it until you do)
Alright, that was emotionally compromising, I must go punch some baby seals.
 
user406009
@rocky when I get stuck, I always try to start over with I simple example.
 
user406009
And then slowly build back up again. Checking at every step that it works.
 
Gah, making intuitive icons is the worst thing ever.
 
Xeo
@sehe Or "fuck clang". GCC compiles it
 
user406009
1:49 PM
So compile "hello world" and then slowly copy/paste until you get to your final product.
 
@ElimGarak o_0 that's not a programmers job
 
@ElimGarak (go do it and keep on joking until it works)
 
@thecoshman Ah, it's a hobby. I am trying to go out of my comfort zone.
 
@Xeo ?!?! urffff I switched to clang++ halfway that mess. Pretty sure gcc 4.9* doesn't compile it then
 
thank you guys. :/ but i tried uninstalling and installing again the visual studio 2005 express and still it does not work. visual studio 2015 also gives a lot of errors. :/
 
1:50 PM
whatup all
 
Always wanted to do artsy stuff.
 
@ElimGarak inkscape is nice for designing icons
 
@ElimGarak paint nudes with live models. Orrrrr be the live model
 
@sehe That's a great idea, I have amazing boobs.
 
@ElimGarak don't it's uncomfortable
 
1:52 PM
paint on live models
 
@ElimGarak it will undo the anatomy lessons though
 
What's the social stigma regarding dead models?
 
@Prismatic how can you paint them on?
@ElimGarak they [don't] expire
 
Not sure whether SFW?
 
good point
 
1:53 PM
Social Fucking Warriors
 
I am at home right now, no more issues for me, but others.
 
this one is
 
user1804599
Is that cancer?
 
Yeah, pretty cool, too.
 
@elyse it's a human
 
user1804599
1:56 PM
oh
 
> The application was buggier than a roach motel tdWTF
 
@ElimGarak It does sound a bit familiar, yes.
 
Yeah, you can appreciate that he didn't just rip the matrix.
Pink is a really bold color to use in web design. But it can work out pretty well. Especially with blue (Vice City used the color scheme).
 
I can do it with my eyes closed
 
2:01 PM
I've just noticed that GitHub is not particularly good at icons either. "Social coding" has a lightning/power icon next to it. Sure social coding can be powerful, but it is about social coding, not social coding being powerful.
 
Xeo
Why do I print hex digits using "0123456789abcdef"[digit] instead of an array constant? Don't worry, I'm not arraycist, just literal-minded.
hahaha
 
Ahahahah. That's pretty not terrible.
Also, every time they're not certain what icon to use, they use that octocat thingy.
 
@elyse What does "learning Erlang" have to do with going to work at Ericsson programming in Java?
I'm confused.
 
user1804599
sehe got hired for a C++ job but had to do Java
4
 
user1804599
and Erlang was invented at Ericsson
 
user1804599
2:04 PM
combine the two and you have a great next job
 
@elyse I can relate sooooo much to that one
 
 
> Tony soon found himself working 15–16 hours a day, 6–8 days a week, trying to meet the deadline and keep his job.
 
user1804599
Subaru ANDRE3000
 
@elyse Yup. And I got paid for C++. So there's that.
 
user1804599
2:06 PM
nice
 
user1804599
You know. There are people who officially work at companies, but due to some glitch don't have to go to work at all and still get paid.
 
Ell
Imho text is preferred to icons if you want intuitive-ness
 
@sehe 8 days a week is rough.
 
So, has it been formally determined whether it is the Ericsson Language abbreviated or a reference to the mathematician/telecommunication engineer?
 
user1804599
Probably both.
 
2:07 PM
@ElimGarak They think it's a flashy feature/flash editing/supercharge mode etc.
@SamDeHaan Yeah. I've never gone that far
 
user1804599
It's not documented anywhere where the name originally came from.
 
user1804599
Erlang is used a lot in telecom.
 
GitHub also has some bits of it.
@sehe First thing that I associate with social coding is merge conflict.
 
Wait, @BartekBanachewicz is back?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, and he's a little bit agitated.
 
2:10 PM
As always, but I'm sure he'll be fine.
 
I'll drink to that.
 
Hi @BartekBanachewicz
jam much? saturday
 
@ElimGarak lol
@ElimGarak huh/ that's not newsworthy no
 
I remember him being slightly mellower before. Slightly.
 
Yup me too.
But that was just a phase.
 
2:15 PM
The bigger the button, the higher the likelihood I'll press it. Just for the sake of pressing it.
 
Fitz' law, right
 
or by accident
 
the difference is not observable
 
I mean if it's teeny tiny, you probably would not even find it
 
Tell us about it
 
2:17 PM
I've never pressed anything by accident. That's why we don't let women serve on nuclear submarines. Tsk tsk.
 
Also, sehe, yes. But regardless of the prediction, I JUST NEED TO PRESS IT.
Especially if it has an appealing, poppy design with a nice gradient and some depth to it.
It just yearns to be pushed in. It needs me to do it. That's why nuclear launches require simultaneous key turning and removing button caps.
 
keep your life private, buy a submarine!
 
@chmod711telkitty You're asking for puns here
 
plz do
@ElimGarak are you sure there's no billionaires who bought submarines & brought hookers to serve on them?
 
Xeo
2:23 PM
Huh. I actually got a message about a job that sounds pretty good, workplace wise. Too bad it's kinda far away and also about trading algorithms and risk management software.
> - Technologie-Stack:
C++ 11/Boost, TDD/Unit Tests, Continuous Integration, Java,
Linux, Multi-Threading, Scrum Umfeld (2-wöchige Sprints)
 
@Xeo what's 'Umfled'?
'work flow'?
 
Under the NPT, if a billionaire were to acquire a nuclear submarine, his assets would be frozen and he'd be added to a most wanted fugitive list. Russia, Britain, France and the US would dispatch attack submarines to kill or capture said billionaire.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Well, meaning-wise that works, yeah.
 
user1804599
TDD isn't a technology.
 
Xeo
"Umfeld" is environment.
 
user1804599
2:25 PM
Umgebung.
 
I have done a search, there seems to be quite a lot of places where you can buy or hire a submarine
 
user1804599
Around field.
 
Not a nuclear one.
 
@Xeo oh ok, I think 'environment' works quite well
@ElimGarak there's quite a few steps
 
Xeo
@chmod711telkitty Try looking in the sea: twitter.com/WWarped/status/637704925766643712
 
2:27 PM
@thecoshman Yes, confirmation of the launch command code from a central command point, decrypting said command code and agreement between the senior officers. Also, validation of the source of the transmission.
I'd still shit my pants, even if all returned true.
But most of the nuclear missile submarines have been retrofitted post NPT. Ground-based ICBMs can hit any point on Earth and each can carry up to 9-ish warheads (or was it 6), a reduction due to the NPT.
"Russia possessed an estimated 8,500 total nuclear warheads of which 1,800 were strategically operational." What a waste of money.
 
oh god yes, imagine being in that situation, knowing you are about to launch a missile that will wipe out a huge area of the world, most likely triggering the rest to be wiped out. Knowing that not only did you just kill, and cause the deaths of, huge numbers of people, but that you probably are now stuck in this tiny silo for a while yet, with fuck all to surface for.
@ElimGarak MAD
 
I often wonder whether the other side would immediately retaliate. I kind of hope that they'd think about it first. But humans... What reason can you expect from someone who has thousands of nuclear warheads, each 10 times the yield of the Fat Man.
 
Ell
You need nuclear weapons to prevent nuclear war
 
user1804599
fucking rain
 
user1804599
 
2:38 PM
300 nuclear warheads are enough to wipe out every relevant city on Earth two times over.
 
@ElimGarak It doesn't work if the threat isn't real
 
@ElimGarak well, 'nuclear warhead' isn't exactly an SI unit
 
Ell
Nobody will fire nuclear weapons at someone with nuclear weapons
That's a sure way to ensure destruction of both sides
 
@Ell but only if someone will fire back
 
2:39 PM
All you need is a single mistake.
 
in order for MAD to work, you have to be crazy enough to make the other parties 100% sure that if they fired, that you will fire back.
@ElimGarak we nearly had it :\
 
@Ell *the entire world
 
Ell
not the entire world
Fat and little boy disnt destroy the world
 
the other thing with nukes is that even if, somehow, the enemy don't get to retaliate, the damage is so widespread you are probably still hurting yourself very badly.
 
The alliances between states will make sure of that
 
2:41 PM
The world wouldn't end, though. Nor humanity. Unless they manage to saturate the atmosphere enough, but calculations suggest way too many today's warheads (given standardized yields) are necessary to cause enough pollution which would prevent light from reaching the surface.
 
@Ell they were also tiny compared to what we have now.
 
@ScottW Then you should've been on Mumble.
 
@ElimGarak life as we know it is gone
 
@Ell Fat Man and Little Boy had 1/10th of the yield of today's Ulam-Teller multistage thermonuclear weapons. And they're only weak due to choice. You want an example of what could be done? TSAR bomba. And that's ancient tech.
 
@ScottW Yeah.
 
Ell
2:43 PM
> weak by choice
 
He was making Furrrovine or something.
 
Ell
exactly
 
@Ell Yes, they wouldn't be strategic. They're there to wipe out cities.
 
He can't chat.SO because he says it's broken for him.
 
But radiation would still be there, that's the killer, not the explosion. And each warhead doesn't go alone. They go together inside an ICBM. Should a ground unit be dispatched, they use all of them (at least 6). NPT reduced the maximum count to limit potential destruciton. Once it is up, you don't shoot one warhead and go with a pickup truck for the rest of them.
 
2:46 PM
It was an 8-party yesterday.
 
Xeo
@ScottW Are you gay too, now?
:P
 
Scott is bi <3
 
Xeo
heh
 
Report to the ship as soon as possible. We'll bang, okay?
I just picked up a hooker in GTA V in first person mode. Got a blow job. Not sure how I feel about it, though.
 
@ScottW Actually ThePhD is still on Mumble.
 
2:50 PM
Isn't that Cicada trolling us?
 
No?
 
He did yesterday, when you were on soccer practice.
 
Cicada is Donald_Trump.
 
THAT'S RIGHT, EVERYONE. NOOBLE'S MOM MADE HIM DO SPORTS.
 
OUTRAGEOUS
 
2:51 PM
@ScottW @ElimGarak loves you too <3
 
Everybody loves Scott. He's our dawg.
Is she hot?
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Everyone is Cicada. Even you are Cicada.
 
@ScottW He says "D'awwwww" and he hopes you have been doing well with the jobs you've been working on lately.
 
@ElimGarak About 37 deg. C
 
whats furrovine
 
2:54 PM
Resistance is futile
Removed messages will be read
 
@Mr.kbok Not sure. His project?
 
Ell
Furrovine is his dx12 thing
 
Removed mess, ages will be red.
 
Ell
I think?
Wait just dx :3
 
@Nooble yeah?
 
Xeo
2:55 PM
@Mr.kbok PhD's engine thingy
 
@Nooble Also dude we need details about the jam it's this w.e
 
@ Borgleader: I am asking because I am not sure if the output of the 1st 3 characters will be the same on all computers (if they don't crash). — We're All Mad Here 2 mins ago
 
@Ell He had an OpenGL backend though too!
 
T_T i dont even. its undefined behavior and he knows it. ffs
 
@Mr.kbok Well, we need the theme right?
 
2:56 PM
@Nooble I proposed (and talk about it with cosh) that we declare the theme at minute 0
 
Ah.
 
But we need to settle on rules now, ie which generator, do we do several passes etc
 
Ok.
 
Like do we have a vote when the themes goes out, so that if it sucks we can rethrow?
 
@Mr.kbok I think we do something like generate 3 or 5 themes, and you must use a few of them (not all)
 
2:57 PM
How many themes? What kind?
 
I'm fine with Nooble deciding the theme he prefers
 
What about using existing code as framework? (cosh asked, but I do that too)
What are the prizes?
 
user406009
I say we allow anything.
 
@Mr.kbok We should allow that, I think.
 
to be fair, it's a 'for fun' thing, so I wouldn't try to regulate it too much.
Generate some themes, if people stick to them, awesome, if they just do what ever, it's still cool
 
user406009
2:58 PM
As long as its open source d before the start.
 
Could I, possibly, make a DLL with a mymain() function and all game logic, and call mymain() from main()?
 
@Nooble Sure. The rule I proposed is that the framework must be already published at jam start, and that participants should not piggyback the theme on an already existing game (well if they do, too bad for them they suck)
 
hell O
 
Such that the DLL can be made before marmalade
 
like wise for reusing code. I don't really see any reason to force open source. It's more fun if you do. As long as it's compilable by others
 
Ell
2:59 PM
Last time we said allow open source code
 
mr kbok is a ladyboy
 

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