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9:00 AM
Except hitting an empty default is not an inconsistent state...
 
user1804599
Not necessarily. It is a bug when it should not have hit that, and it's nice to crash in that case.
 
It's nice to crash after a long day of hard work.
 
Yes, but the compiler has no clue if I wanted it to hit that or not.
 
Ell
Rightfolds compiler does have a clue
 
user1804599
In fact, the only sane way to do in case of such a bug is to immediately terminate the program.
 
9:02 AM
If you actually knew that it was an inconsistent state, then sure, but you don't.
 
user1804599
Compilers that reject potentially buggy programs and requiring more explicit code is very nice.
 
user1804599
@Puppy That's why it assumes the worst, and requires you to either write final or a default case.
 
Which is dumb, since a simple warning would suffice
 
user1804599
> Drinking Trans Gay Prisoners and Muslim Prostitutes on Crack
 
shariah for netherlands
 
user1804599
9:05 AM
Warnings should not be ignored, so you can just as well force them to be fixed.
 
The worst thing your enemy can suffer is to be ignored. But, warnings are your friends.
 
too many friends is bad
 
user1804599
Vlinder will feature a similar thing in pattern match expressions.
 
Warnings shouldn't be ignored but its way cheaper to suppress them than to implement language support for what amounts to suppressing just this one warning
 
@Morwenn good to know. you got some case law to back that up?
 
user1804599
9:07 AM
You either need exhaustive matches or write partial match instead of just match. :3
 
>visually appealing ASCII tables
visually appealing and ASCII in the same sentence
that's bold
 
How bold?
 
@thecoshman Nope, I was just quoting the webcomic.
 
@elyse some people don't like to be explicate about these things, they like to run the risk of shit breaking for unknown reasons
 
what's not to love in perl?
 
9:09 AM
@MarcoA. inb4 perl
 
Perl
 
perl
 
perl.
 
Perl
 
user1804599
@MarcoA. Global file handles, but not being a noob solves that. Also use Modern::Perl; boilerplate.
 
9:13 AM
Pearl
 
harbour
 
@elyse is that P5 or P6?
 
user1804599
Perl 5.
 
user1804599
Perl 6 fixes a lot of cruft.
 
does that apply warnings and strict?
 
9:16 AM
@ElimGarak are you going to publish your progress on kyrostat?
 
@Mr.kbok Killed it, nobody was interested. Everybody wanted this multiplatform, multiAPI C++17 thing like last time, except last time the wet dream was C++14.
Hence, fuck it all. :D
 
really?
There are people who care about anything else than DirectX on windows?
 
well yeah, we were using a mix of platforms, and all wanted to be able to play, ergo wanted at least OpenGL, but then some insisted on using DX too
 
meh
 
@Mr.kbok Not everyone wants to use Windows
 
9:18 AM
a game runs on windows period
 
people 'buy' Windows, so games are made mostly for Windows, so people 'buy' Windows
 
People have difficulty coming to terms that actual games are built primarily for Windows using DirectX. OpenGL has been a step behind for years, and Vulkan continues the tradition of not being there at all while DirectX 12 is already being integrated in commercial games.
 
no, windows is an altogether better gaming platforms in all regards
 
Also, OpenGL 3.x is shit. Minimal OpenGL requirement would be 4.3 for Kyrostat not to look like it was wrecked by a pack of coyotes.
 
it's cyclic.
 
9:20 AM
it's better for the programmers, it's better for the people who play it
 
I know you guys have this fantasy of Linux, but it is not reality.
 
@ElimGarak not look like "ragoût de ragondin"
 
@ElimGarak well, Vulkan wasn't a thing at the time
 
There is a very good reason why folks are on Windows, as much as it is hard for people to accept.
 
I'd be tempted to to see how we could get on with Unity... It is limited sure, but it also spares us from so many decisions
 
9:22 AM
DX has been the best tech for more than 10 years now. Maybe vulkan has merits but it's not going to surpass directX for a while
 
Vulkan isn't even here yet.
 
@ElimGarak It's eggs in one basket
 
it's a big ass basket though
 
obviously things that are not supported are not supported
 
When the basket is the size of 50 million computers a week into the system's release, I don't give a shit.
 
9:23 AM
Unity is mono. It's a good platform for designer types, or people who have shit to get done, but it's not funny to program with
 
It just so happens that there are folks here using Linux (I do too sometimes). But it is an unrepresentative sample for a game platform target determination.
 
@ElimGarak afaik, we were not aiming to make a block buster game
 
If we were working on a ruby site we'd just tell windows people to fuck off (and I'd be the first to feel frustrated). But we wouldn't support windows because that doesn't make any sense
 
DX alone dose not magically make amazing graphics, it's just a tool, and it still takes a lot of work to get a game looking that good.
 
Yes but it has far greater capabilities
 
9:25 AM
@Mr.kbok what? that's not the same... servers are back end, clients don't (and shouldn't) care what OS the server is using.
 
But, alas, it doesn't matter. Best to embrace a more Cat Plus Plus approach to the Lounge, fuck it all.
Let's just be the usual lazy 'selves here.
 
@thecoshman Yes that would be stupider, okay. I can't think of a better example where linux is more fit for something.
 
You say that like there was any danger of any other outcome
 
@Mr.kbok what's the point though? You think we'd ever get to a graphical fidelity where we think "fuck, if only DX was pushing for more advanced features so we could look even fancier"
 
@ElimGarak Don't overthink it
Any project composed of more than 2 popele is doomed to fail
 
9:27 AM
@ElimGarak :(
 
@Mr.kbok doing what you want XD
 
The issue is that compute shaders are not really a luxury since 2011. And the first OGL version supporting it is 4.3.
 
@ElimGarak and?
 
Who cares about compute shaders when you have OpenCL master race
 
Folks insisted on 3.x last time.
 
9:28 AM
@thecoshman The point is we're programming for fun, and it's fun to use latest graphics gimmicks that directX offers. Also Elim knows DX best and AFAIK he was doing all the work
 
We're doing stuff for shits and giggles, of course you want to dick around with the freshest stuff. We do that all the time with C++1x. Half of us don't get to do that at work.
 
@Mr.kbok no, he wasn't.
 
Yes
And don't get me started on display drivers
 
But, all these projects beyond text adventures, only serve to get folks riled up.
 
I really just should have said "DISPLAY DRIVERS" and the discussion was over
The only lounge success so far has been to make sino leave
7
 
9:30 AM
I like when we're all happy and shit.
 
I think that Wide is a success
 
@Puppy it's a wip, so you can't call it
 
I achieved far more than my original objectives
 
Visual C++ is still a WIP, yet Microsoft calls it a success.
In fact, it is such a failure, it has a Visual prefix.
 
Visual C++ is a wipe
 
9:32 AM
Works for me
 
FOR YOUR BUTT
 
For me, too. It is... Sufficient.
 
Isn't skorezore @Nooble ?
 
@ElimGarak we know better
 
@Mr.kbok yup
 
9:34 AM
@Puppy what was that?
 
Are you guys up for the jam though?
Didn't hear much of it
 
@Mr.kbok oh, maybe actually
 
@Nooble you have two github accounts?
@thecoshman cool.
I'd like to make a launcher with all the games in it this time.
 
I have many GitHub accounts, I keep forgetting them ahahah
 
Like, really wrapping it up
We could also keep track of who's streaming if any
 
Ell
9:37 AM
Linux is Totes a reality
Loadsa AAA games are going there
 
battle for westnoth
 
Ell
Bioshock Infinite
Shadow of Mordor is on its way
all the valve games
 
Not sure whether I like The Last Ship or not.
Those are all ancient games. It's like a second hand shop.
 
Is France a base camp for training trolls? :p
 
yes
 
9:38 AM
^_^
 
The standard curriculum is going to high school, then one year of troll training, then uni
 
Ell
Ukelele will be linux too
 
The troll program has been instored by Charles de Gaulle to piss off the americans
 
@Mr.kbok I doubt they'll all be the same platform :P
 
@thecoshman just wanted to prove that the concept worked
 
9:40 AM
@Puppy running C/C++ code from 'another' language?
 
@thecoshman Hence packaging. Because I can understand if you don't want to install haskell with opengl and shit
 
Ell
Yes the games aren't mega new but doesn't the fact that more than indie devs are porting games show that the platform has promise?
 
@thecoshman You can take all the games and produce a windows package and a linux package and everyone can play everyone's games except Mac OS people who can fuck off
@Ell the platform had "promise" ever since UT98
 
@Mr.kbok what's the opinions about me using my 'TAG' so far as a starting point? It's got some stuff there that I might use, lol level stuff, but also some stuff for that ~project~ that I probably wouldn't use for the jam
 
... in 1998
 
Ell
9:42 AM
I was only 3 in 1998 so I cannot comment :L
 
@thecoshman My opinion is that any starting point must be open source and not ostensibly cheating (eg piggybacking the theme on an existing game)
Apart from that, anything's fine, and you have to consider that some platforms clearly have a time advantage (unity!!)
 
@Mr.kbok well it's open source alright, and as long as the theme doesn't involve 'cubes' I aint got much worth copying for the jam :P
 
Ell
But I think that there are more games on linux than ever, proportion wise
 
@Ell oh sure, I think unity has helped a lot with that.
 
Not to mention the hilarity that any mass appeal game Linux game is made on Windows because of the DCTs being there.
 
9:44 AM
@ElimGarak DCT?
 
Digital Creation Tools. Maya. Zbrush. 3ds max. Mudbox. Substance. Quixel tools.
 
Ell
Some DCTs support linux
 
@thecoshman now let's just hopes "cubes" is not picked or you'll have to start over short of being called a cheater :P
 
Ell
Maya supports linux, that's all I know :P
 
@Mr.kbok there's still plenty of boiler plate I could use, and that's what I'd mostly want
 
9:45 AM
ofc
I think we should lay down rules
 
Ell
is this game jam? Is there wiki page?
 
Also, I think we should set up a repo of readily usable sprites
 
@Mr.kbok I like that - other countries train soldiers, France takes the anti-Americans sentiment to a whole nu level!
 
though if I could, I'd throw in some shitty map loading code, smarten up the cube options, and do some sort of adventure game :D
 
With that said, many SE staffs are trolls themselves
 
Ell
9:46 AM
Imho doing your own art is part of the fun
 
@Ell @Nooble is responsible for it, but I haven't heard much about it lately
 
@Mr.kbok nah. but maybe on the lounge wiki start to index resources like that
 
including Jeff Atwood, biggest troll of them all
 
@chmod711telkitty We have a sort of love-hate relationship with the US.
@Ell 5hrs is very short to draw stuff if you're not into it
 
9:47 AM
You have to make a game after all
 
Ell
Oh 5hrs. Hmm yeah
 
maybe using sprites is a good idea :\
 
I always thought Jeff would come up with websites like 4chan or reddit
 
that was test graphics though in my deffence :P
 
Ell
5hrs is such little time
 
9:49 AM
You only have time to put premade 2d sprites or ascii
Last time was 6hrs
 
GMT + or - 1hr?
 
oh shit
 
Ell
I would prefer 12h but yeah not possible etc
 
are we going to pick themes right before the we start, or do it with a bit of planning?
 
I don't think many people can block 12h
 
Ell
9:51 AM
can we allocate some time for packaging?
 
@thecoshman I suggest pick at minute 0
 
I'd be willing to start earlier... I don't think I could handle 12hr though
 
@Ell Afterwards
 
@Mr.kbok ok, as we start
 
Ell
I'm going to be using ruby so packaging on windows will be necessary prolly :P
 
9:52 AM
@thecoshman Voxels?
 
I'll be usin' crack.
 
@ElimGarak: don't. That's unhealthy.
 
welp, time to go to work, be back in a while
 
@Borgleader yeah
well, no, but yeah
@Ell ruby? you monster!
 
@thecoshman did someone say ruby? destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
 
user1804599
9:57 AM
wat
 
user1804599
@Ell what for?
 
What happened to the wiki page for projects loungers work on?
 
@thecoshman yep
 
@Puppy -_- context bro
 
@thecoshman: why would you need context for approval
 
10:00 AM
Cant reply to message cause mobile
 
@thecoshman just assume that everything you're doing currently is good.
 
But you asked me what the concept i was trying to prove was
 
@Puppy and that concept was "yep"?!
 
He gave a suggestion
 
@Puppy ah, poor fellow
 
10:03 AM
Yep
 
user1804599
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user1804599
ugh
 
I bought a case of wine, the website from where I bought the wine from quickly sent me an (automated) email telling me that I had browsed another case of wine and asked me whether I would like buy that too. They must mistaken me as an alcoholic. Also yes I know there is a lot of calories in alcohol. I don't needed to be reminded of that either.
Also I gave my younger chook some wine, nothing happened
 
Can we conclude that the chook has Slavic origins?
 
Is this a bad time to promote my question?
 
10:09 AM
yes
It always is
 
dammit
:D
 
I watch chicken drinking alcohol on youtube, maybe I should be embarrassed >_<
 
No you're totally fine
Better than usual, even
 
dat terribly placed text tho
 
10:14 AM
user image
11
 
@MarcoA. wat
 
@chmod711telkitty dem calories!
 
@Lalaland Can you add some sort of a marker on undeleted messages saying that they were deleted?
 
dem chickens!
 
I want to meak a cimpoler for Wondiws.
 
10:26 AM
I already did
 
Perfect background while you work. Not imposing and shit.
(Tangerine Dream did the OST, their lead died not long after)
 
Bah pootube
 
@EtiennedeMartel I remember you mentioning Mass Effect with affection. Its signature tune Uncharted Worlds is based on this Tangerine Dream tune. According to the dude who made it.
 
Hopefully it sounded less awful
 
Wellp, this. Haven't played Mass Erect? I like everything with a down tempo.
 
On the other hand, Tangerine Dream has made so many musics that it's surprising that some video games don't use at least one of theirs.
 
@MaiLongdong Ahahah, that's <3
Also, if you'll pretend you're doing something interesting, you also have to turn down Keira Knightley's advances.
@Morwenn Yup, they're very good. GTA's entire OST is their work. Minus The Chain Gang of 1974 - Sleepwalking and a few rap songs like Life of a Mack.
 
@ElimGarak There's also a collab on the upcoming Jean-Michel Jarre album.
 
10:38 AM
Will have to check it out. Damn it, I am running short with music lately.
 
The whole new album consists of collaboration with both old & young people from the electronic music scene.
 
I remember Ubisoft getting lucky and getting Imagine Dragons' Radioactive on the dirt cheap because they were irrelevant at the time of Assassin's Creed III.
 
On the other hand, I don't really like Imagine Dragons...
 
Me neither, I just saw a ref to it (almost 400M views on YouTube). It was in the launch trailer for AC III. They always have weird choices.
 
It's like Madeon also
 
10:45 AM
ITT Lounge<YouTube>
 
Was listening to the guy back in the days where he had < 301 views
And then international fame
 
longdong so hipster
 
I was in the Lounge before Telkitty made it cool.
 
I LISTENED TO GANGNAM STYLE ON THE DAY OF ITS RELEASE how jelly are you
 
10:47 AM
not at all
 
Nice try Griwes
 
I still haven't listened to Gangnam Style of my own volition.
 
WTF. I'm listening to a death metal band, and suddenly, out of nowhere, a wild lounge song appears.
 
I did listen to the version with Chomsky's cameo.
 
@MaiLongdong I'm regularly watching music videos that have <1k views though, so there's that.
 
10:48 AM
Griwes so hipster
 
That's ain't hipster at all.
I've been listening to the same band for years and its most seen video still probably has no more than 150 views.
 
Morwenn outhipstering Griwes
 
My bad, I was wrong, it has almost 225 views :o
 
I listen to songs that rarely have under 500M views. I'm a tool.
 
Guess I will stick to the other ones, those which have less than 100 views.
 
10:49 AM
Elimainstream Garak
 
Taylor Objective-C
 
Tailored Swift. Heh. Heh. Geddit. git fetch.
 
@ElimGarak dat pun
 
10:54 AM
> Jay-Z's lucky he didn't use JavaScript for his calculations, else he'd have 99.000004 problems
no
 
hey
 
Hai
> When designers use 200kb hero images, but a 25kb JavaScript library is too much…
 

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