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7:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus they say paket is less broken, I have not used it much
 
fashion galary
 
@Lalaland It's only 14 significant lines of code, not counting braces and empty lines:
private fun detectMissingReturns() {
    translationUnit.functions.forEach { it.detectMissingReturns() }
}

private fun FunctionDefinition.detectMissingReturns() {
    if (returnType !== VoidType && !body.definitelyReturns()) {
        name.warn("function ${name.string()} does not return a result on all code paths")
    }
}

private fun List<Statement>.definitelyReturns(): Boolean {
    val i = indexOfFirst { it.definitelyReturns() }
    return i != -1
}

private fun Statement.definitelyReturns(): Boolean {
 
user406009
Yeah. At first I thought you were going to try to prove that badCompare does return in every case (except for NaN).
 
user406009
For interest's sake, what programming language is that?
 
7:07 PM
some saudi arabia dude posted pics/explanation of a regular weekday and saturday on imgur. that's pretty cool
palm trees everywhere lol
I could do this too but no one would give a fuck
 
11 hours ago, by fredoverflow
user image
 
@Mr.kbok link?
 
private fun
 
user1804599
Punishment for UB:
 
user1804599
7:11 PM
 
lol
 
user1804599
You'd eat them you silly French.
 
> In our town we don't have a traffic light not even one.
 
@Elyse It's actually very rare
 
@Mr.kbok I like their clothes
 
user1804599
7:23 PM
Snails all over your face?
 
user1804599
That's indeed quite rare.
 
user406009
@Mr.kbok Quite interesting. It would be nice to see those for multiple countries.
 
user406009
Media like that would certainly help reduce racism by showing how similar we all are.
 
sbi
Good evening.
 
7:32 PM
Evening.
 
after noon
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Why would I do such a thing??
@Jaden Yeah, here, too.
(Evening is after noon here as well.)
 
@Lalaland I can do it if you want :P
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I always denied that I ever was. Anyway, you cannot be the boss if you aren't an owner, and I am not an owner anymore.
However, I find it interesting that the puppy never made out of the room owner recycle bin. What kept you?
 
@sbi I know you hate being perceived as the boss here :)
 
7:38 PM
^ The problem with duck-typing
2
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked That's an understatement.
 
does someone know how to make a new console (opened with alt+<1-6>) change directory to where the previous console is?
 
@sbi Hm. I'm having trouble parsing that sentence..
 
@StackedCrooked wow that's hard to grok - it'll have to wait (how does gcc explorer (godbolt) handle this task?)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked What are you smoking?
 
7:39 PM
lol reddit
 
@sehe It simply shows whether hot and cold is mixed or segregated.
 
@StackedCrooked the point is "how" :) I;ll look at it later
 
ghost pings
 
:D
 
oh, stream pings
 
7:43 PM
@sbi "never made out of the room owner recycle bin". Can't figure out what "never made out of" means.
@sbi Maybe I should start smoking.
 
@StackedCrooked Ah, that's much clearer (I know, it's just because less context is filtered. But it's exactly that which made it hard for me to know what I was looking at)
 
had wine tonigt
 
@StackedCrooked never made out, of course
 
Erm, sorry, can someone paraphrase?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Well, when room owners end their life as room owners, they are put into the room owner recycle bin. Sometimes they are recycled (I was). The puppy never made it out of the bin.
@sehe Oh, damn. I didn't notice that!
@StackedCrooked Have I told you about my father?
 
7:45 PM
Dunno about a recycle bin. But the reason nobody added puppy to the owner list again is because shog scared the hell out of everybody here.
 
sbi
You wuzzies!
 
@sbi I don't remember so.
 
I'm owning three rooms a.t.m. (I think)
 
Also after @StackedCrooked added both Cat and Puppy again, Rapptz removed them again
 
@sbi I added him a few weeks back and another owner removed him saying he didn't want drama again.
 
sbi
7:46 PM
@StackedCrooked For many years (almost a decade), he is been dying very slowly. Of lung cancer.
@StackedCrooked You wuzzies! (Not that I'd add him back. He's too short-tempered and rude to be empowered.)
 
@sehe do you feel rich in your ownership?
 
Ah. Ok. I should better not start smoking then.
 
@TonyTheLion nope
 
@sbi I think he's evolving. ..Or maybe I'm becoming tolerant.
 
he says it is the drugs
 
sbi
7:51 PM
@StackedCrooked I think this is called "growing up". Soon he won't be a puppy anymore. (What's the next stage called? "Bitch"?)
 
Grumpy old man.
 
@sbi hund
 
sbi
@sehe Weren't you the one who was sick of co-owning one room?
@StackedCrooked Na. You gotta have all gray hair for that.
@JohanLarsson Why are you insulting me?
 
why are you reading it like that?
 
@JohanLarsson hyundai
 
sbi
7:53 PM
@JohanLarsson What else am I to read from you throwing a bad word at me?
 
Does it mean something in German? Means dog in Swedish.
 
sbi
@JohanLarsson And what does it mean if you address someone as "dog" in Sweden?
 
context much?
 
sbi
 
7:57 PM
@sbi what
 
@sbi it means you are a loyal friend?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Well, I'm no Swede.
 
20 Ways to Annoy a Swede. Looks like a good tutorial.
> 9. Compare them to Germans.
> “You’re just like the Germans! Tall athletic blondes with a burgeoning economy, a strong interest in environmentalism, and a fascinating if unnerving love of order.”
 
> Try to arrange an office happy hour less than a week in advance.
 
sbi
WTF is "an office happy hour"??
 
8:02 PM
an hour at home?
 
> Start a conversation with a stranger.
strange list with afew gems
 
@ElimGarak I know right
I seem to attract people that don't want to talk about something other than nothing and more nothing.
That's why I come to the Lounge and pour all my frustrated ideas to you all instead.
 
@JerryCoffin Do they remember that snow days have to be made up? It is built into most schedules.
 
@Jefffrey Awww
 
It's like having mental blue balls and come in here to jerk.
 
sbi
8:06 PM
@JohanLarsson Fitting.
 
user1804599
IRTA Efteling
 
That's also the reason why I won't probably be able to leave the Lounge any time soon
Unless I become a monk. Of course.
 
@sbi nice in a dark way
 
@sbi I wasn't. I was sick of people giving me predictable flack because they could. Being owner gives you more troll surface, so to say
Also, the other rooms are Rust (it's safe, no one goes there :)) and the bin (no one should go there)
 
sbi
@sehe Didn't I just says this? (And "people" really was one person.)
 
8:08 PM
:D
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, the bin! I used to be an owner there, too. (No idea, how/why.) Wow, so I'm an owner of two rooms as well! Or was. I dunno if they kicked me out of the bin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You seem to have history of people accusing you of abusing power.
Weird.
 
sbi
Wow. You confuse the robot with the ape. Can I have a taste of that weed?
 
@Jefffrey Robot should watch more Spiderman!
 
@sbi I don't see it.
 
sbi
8:14 PM
It.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
now I do
 
@Jefffrey with great power comes great abuse
 
> Tuples, pattern matching, state machines, extension properties, ref returns/locals, array views/slices oh my!! Almost everything I want everyday in fluent scientific API design with C#.
 
ty sir, opening a tab
I thought they were going to solve the null problem in 7
 
8:19 PM
lol at room owners pointing out this is a oligarchy
yeah no
 
what does ref returns/loacals mean?
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow fluent APIs must die.
 
You are in a community with other people, that are just as important as you are
There's no "group of special kids" that rule the room.
 
@JohanLarsson Return a reference to a local? dunno
 
And sure as hell we are not peasants.
 
8:21 PM
@Elyse Why?
 
Not to mention that the more I see this power abuse the more I don't like the idea of room owners having special abilities.
Maybe flag audits are not the worst thing after all.
 
:c
 
Not my day, I guess. But it's my fault, it's the same guy that tried to manually do perspective correct texture mapping.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow they are confusing.
 
sbi
8:25 PM
 
user1804599
"Does this method return the receiver, a copy, or something different entirely?"
 
@sbi Glorious act!
 
Added a live demo of a simple manual parser: as_yyyy_mm_dd. Of course this will hurt if you need dynamic formats. By all means, drop a bug report at the mailing list (I think this counts. It could even lead to security vulnerabilities, even though that would be largely the responsibility of the person testing his usage :)) — sehe 32 secs ago
@sbi I don't think anyone does that
 
user1804599
> short
 
@sbi lol - Oh I thought you removed him as Bin owner ;)
 
user1804599
8:26 PM
TIL people actually use short.
 
sbi
@sehe If not, then I am still binned. :)
@sehe Nah. He'd probably be fit for that.
 
yyyy-mm-dd masterace
 
sbi
May 17 '14 at 12:13, by sbi
When I was an owner, I was generally seen as a dictator. So what was that mod expecting me to do, once I'm back in power?
 
@Elyse Just read the API, big deal.
 
@sehe Make sbi an owner once more, so he may make Bartek tremble.
 
user1804599
8:28 PM
@Jefffrey dyyy-ym-md
 
sbi
@ElimGarak What's the problem with Bartek? That name seems to keep coming up every time I'm around here.
 
He can go on jalf like rants. Without the SJW though (the opposite perhaps)
@Elyse awesome. I should fix my answer :)
 
sbi
@sehe Ah. That does sound annoying. I mean, at least the flightless bird is mostly on the right side when he blows off...
 
Wow. That's poetic
I don't think it's about the message though with Bartek. It's just he likes to jump to absolutes, calling everything else retarded. And it's clearly in fits.
I can handle it fine
 
Good morvening.
 
8:35 PM
Bartek... Intensifies. Moves asymptotically towards the asshole line and then uses the fact he didn't exactly reach it as a defense for room owners kicking him anyways. And then he swears to dethrone Robot from the list of room owners and take the whole ordeal to meta and stuff. Alas, Robot's power has grown in spite of the threats and he is now 25% less likely to get lost while in transit.
 
sbi
@sehe Good to hear.
I don't want to be room owner anymore. What with all the kids now hanging out here most of which I don't even know (or don't know their newest nick), discussing C++ and other such drab topics, and referring to people I can barely remember having joined the room before I bowed out as being 1st generation... :)
 
I see that @sehe has found himself another project: Rewriting all mini-parsers in Boost to use Spirit :)
2
 
sbi
> Robot's power has grown in spite of the threats and he is now 25% less likely to get lost while in transit.
 
Have I missed some drama?
 
sbi
LOL!
@Morwenn How would we know whether you miss drama?
 
8:37 PM
@sbi aw
 
@sbi I tend to annoy people when I'm around. It would be easy to remember that I wasn't here during drama :p
 
@wilx Actually, I have given that thought. However I wager there will be (rightful) pushback because of compilation times and various surrogate arguments. And for all things header-only I actually subscribe to these criticisms.
So I'd still be tempted to rewrite 80% of mini parsers, but with clean code, and Spirit if non-header-only.
But then we would likely just see the same kind of breakage that Boost Property Tree (JSON parser) saw when they rewrote their parser (and now it doesn't support ignoring comments anymore... :facepalm:)
 
@sehe Counter with Spirit goodness and sneak attack with eat your own dog food argument.
@sehe Just one more item onto you list of things to fix!
 
sbi
@Morwenn The women (and those posing as women) having managed to hang out here longer than for a few tend to have that quality, yes.
 
@sehe The eternal problem with parsers. There are always more bugs to find.
 
8:41 PM
@Morwenn That is eternal problem with all software. :)
 
@wilx That would be good for Spirit X3, but... more politics: X3 chose for c++14 only
 
@sbi I think I can see who you're referring to.
 
@Morwenn The one I just evaluated was particularly bad though. I don't even
They didn't even try
@wilx Actually the new parser seems decent. It's just that they completely failed to spot the breaking change...
 
sbi
@Morwenn Do you? I dunno. The first one I remember was Tina, who spent whole nights having Alf explain the most basic concepts to her/him.
 
@sehe What's new with Spirit X3 (maybe a link if you don't want to write the details)?
 
8:43 PM
@sehe Not enough test coverage.
 
Precisely
 
@sbi oh the memories... Tina...
 
Is qt nice?
 
@StackedCrooked Choke it back.
 
8:44 PM
@Morwenn c++14, no more premature type erasure, no more faux variadics (though still some MPL) and hence vastly reduced compile times. Actual lambdas for semantic actions (Phoenix may get supported again later) and finally: move-awareness
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yeah. It's now so long ago, that the picture we have in our heads shines almost golden. Back then, we were just annoyed, though.
 
@sbi I have heard of her. But I have to admit that my lounge history generally doesn't get past 2 year ago. But still.
 
hahahahahaha
> "Die Momente, in denen es sich wirklich lohnt, Fußball-Profi zu sein, sind, wenn man Olli Kahn beim Einseifen zusieht."
 
@sehe That sounds super good :o
 
Sidecatch for X3 is that auto variables are now safe to capture parser expressions (the expression templates weren't safe due to Proto not deep copying temps)
 
8:45 PM
@JohanLarsson Just had to reboot my machine because it ate all my memory and CPU.
16GB
 
@sbi We were quite annoyed back then, I distinctly remember spending an entire afternoon chatting in here about events that had happened in regards Tina.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Yeah, the mood towards here certainly changed when Jeff outed her.
 
@StackedCrooked I'll watch a tutorial. I use wpf a lot, a little curious about other technologies.
 
@Morwenn It's reasonable. I'm getting some friction when using it myself, because the new ways to couple definitions to rule declarations make it more tedious to incrementally build/debug the grammar (what used to be simple commenting of rules defs now involves multiple synchronized edits).
Also, limitations in the debug rendering (may go away)
 
> The Americans are a hypocratic bunch that kill innocent Afghans
 
8:47 PM
@sbi Outed?
 
@StackedCrooked Don't feed Qt your a Big Mac then
 
Hippocratic bunch, those muricans.
 
sbi
@wilx It's all in the records. Go digging around in the attic and you will find it.
 
@ElimGarak I think it's factually correct.
@ElimGarak lol that typo
 
@sehe Well, I guess that most of the small problems will eventually be solved anyway. But still, it sounds like it was worth the change.
 
8:48 PM
> "Mein Körper besteht aus 68 Kilogramm stahlharter Erotik."
 
I hope I find a workflow that is as lean/agile as I had with Spirit V2. If so, good riddance. If not, well, goal trumps ideals
 
C++ is an object rotated programming language.
 
Nov 10 '10 at 19:43, by DeadMG
what is the Unicode snowman character again?
hmmm
I wonder what incited @Puppy to ask this ^
 
@TonyTheLion Christmas preparation? :)
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I don't remember, and you did not supply any context, but I might venture the guess that it could have been he wanted to know the Unicode snowman character. ICBWT.
 
user1804599
8:50 PM
DRUGS
DRUGS
DRUGS
 
@Elyse Hey, how did it go in the end? :)
 
user1804599
GOOD
GOOD
GOOD
 
:o
 
> hold down the cmd+alt+shift+esc buttons and OS X will close whichever app is currently the active one on your screen
ah good to know
 
user1804599
@Morwenn are you Boni?
 
8:52 PM
@Elyse What's Boni?
 
user1804599
Oh, i.e. no.
 
user1804599
@Morwenn join IRC.
 
user1804599
WHO IS Boni
 
Some person that always lurks in here
 
user1804599
8:53 PM
Never seen them here.
 
@StackedCrooked so many keys
 
user1804599
Only on IRC.
 
what channel?
 
@Elyse Maybe you plonked them
 
user1804599
oh hmm
 
8:54 PM
@JohanLarsson freenode #loungecpp
 
ty ty
 
Boni came like once or something like that.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Hey, digging through the old transcript I just found this. I remember this. I indeed wasn't sure what to do with the puppy, so I left the page open where I had to click on the button in order to re-add him as an owner. Then I removed myself again and found that tab still open, but me unable to do anything about it. This is why puppy isn't an owner anymore. I forgot I was to blame for it.
May 17 '14 at 12:52, by DeadMG
honestly leaving me off was probably a smart move.
LOL!
 
I used to nag at puppy from my ivory tower but now i miss him as owner
 
Is there anyone who know algorithm well ? I have a question
 
user1804599
8:59 PM
Stack Overflow
 
@MDSijadFaisal I know Algorithm very well, I was his son's godfather.
 
sbi
Stop starring such shit, rightfold.
 
user1804599
??? I didn't star anything.
 
sbi
@JohanLarsson Well, he could have been added back long ago. I don't think Shog could care less.
@Elyse That's what I'd say now, too, if I was you.
 
@sbi neither do I
 
9:00 PM
@sbi He was added back twice and the second time, Rapptz removed him again
and since that day, nobody has added him back
 
Hi!
 
@Stacked, try adding puppy back
 
sup nooble
 
sneak him in
 
sbi
9:01 PM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I heard him. Why do you guys suffer such a "room owner"? This place isn't what it used to be back in my days. :)
 
@ElimGarak Can you believe it, I actually have time to work on Iciclel.
 
sbi
@JohanLarsson What do you mean, "try"? Do you think adding him might throw an exception?
 
adding will work but last time he was removed shortly after
 
@sbi I have no idea why we suffer it. Nobody (perhaps only @Mysticial and @R.MartinhoFernandes) really takes charge when it comes to room owner things, so it just gets left.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion So why is ansone else even on the list of owners??
 
(And this is no Rebecca Black link, it's genuine!)
 
dejavu
@ElimGarak have you tried the phone game? fallout shelter
 
@Jaden Yeah, but isn't my cup of tea. Mobile doesn't tingle me much. I think that mobile should be more PS Vita / 3DS style and less whatever crap everyone churns out.
 
@ElimGarak at least the computer/console game probably doesn't rip focus from what your're doing every 3 seconds.
 
9:05 PM
@sbi I don't know. Personally, I'll bin things, and tell trolls to read the rules or kick/mute them when they are annoying, but I don't consider I have much more of a say in it than that. I also am quite careful when it comes to kicking/muting people.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Ah, so you other folks still do something.
 
Well me and @sehe do. Don't know what @Rapptz and @fredoverflow do.
 
It's nice to have redundancy in any case. The current line up is okay.
 
sbi
Well, democracy (and this here has always been a kind of democracy, even if only proper citizens were allowed to vote) require work. It's not a privilege to live in a self-regulating community, it's a task.
 
9:07 PM
@ElimGarak Yes the redundancy is good.
 
@TonyTheLion I bin when I see it.
tch.
 
Nice to see sbi hasn't lost his grumpy edge, tho' :D
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion The good redundancy is good, which is good. youtube.com/watch?v=NHcsVyBu7To
 
if thats your thing
 
@ElimGarak Yeah
 
I love the voice actor behind Lamar Davis.
 
lol
 
9:24 PM
@TonyTheLion I don't have a strong opinion. I prefer to stay hands off unless there is real trouble.
Rapptz seemed to have a pretty strong opinion about keeping puppy off the list. I'll respect that.
 
wot
"strong opinion"?
 
@sbi I do a lot of kicking, but I don't advertise it. I also spent a lot of time in mod rooms with @JonClements to explain/work-out the deeper problems with the room.
 
You did remove him from the owners when he got added a few days ago.
 
that doesn't mean I have a strong opinion, I removed him because I didn't want to start another shitfest with shog
shog later said he didn't care anymore so I don't either
 
#Nooble2016
Make it happen.
 
user406009
9:29 PM
Oh, did anyone ever add cat to the RO list?
 
user406009
Who won the competition?
 
@Nooble You'll be mod when C++ gets modules :D
 
@Morwenn :c
 
@Lalaland I think @Xeo is winning so far. He's the only one who tried and kept him there for a few minutes?
 
Xeo
lol
 
9:33 PM
 
Ooh. He'll hiss again.
Oh wait.
You're not an owner.
you can't do that...
dunno
i suppose
 
> You have fully used your vote allowance for today
 
but i was counter movement
I stayed.
 
Because responsibilities.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked hehehe
 
9:37 PM
@StackedCrooked This can change.
 
user406009
We should probably host our first debate!
 
Let's debate scope guard. And have Puppy as the arbiter.
 
Fiat Al Dente
 
end of discussion
:P
 
The CppCon2015 talk C++ Multi-dimensional Arrays for Computational Physics and Applied Mathematics totally sounds like « look, we don't like these designs so we make bad design choices to replace them ».
 
9:40 PM
Cars are good at crumpling.
 
« We chose not to use a templates for the size but provide array1d ... array7d instead and it would be easy to write a tool to generate the other dimensions ».
^ That sounds wrong.
 
@Morwenn lmao
that's pretty good
was that constructed out of FUD or something?
 
> Prohibit copy constructor and assignment operator so semantics are similar to C++ native arrays.
> If array bounds checking is on, raise SEG fault on error so user can find line of code in debugger.
 
@Morwenn To me it sounds more like: "we couldn't be bothered to go to the trouble of understanding std::valarray".
 
@JerryCoffin How is that relevant? :/
@JerryCoffin Fix it again, Tony!
 
9:47 PM
@StackedCrooked yes, carefully designed to be that way, absorb the energy in a collision
 
@Jefffrey Wut?
Nobody on Mumble?
@Nooble, @ScottW, @AnalPhabet
 
@JerryCoffin understanding valarray?
..should I understand it?
 
== English == === Phrase === fix it again Tony (slang, derogatory, automotive) a derogatory slang name for Fiat, the Italian auto maker, due to its commonly perceived frequent breakdowns when used in North America. ==== Derived terms ==== FIAT...
 
Oh I see
 
If you implement a function which calls another function. Do you generally put the body of the inner function below the parent body? Or above it?
Or random..?
 
9:50 PM
> #define ARRAY_BOUNDS_CHECK 1
 
I don't understand the question
 
Seriously, I hoped that the « compile-time switch to allow bounds-checking » wouldn't be such a joke ._.
 
If I implement a function which calls another function, the body of the function that is called is in some other segment of the code.
 
@StackedCrooked I think I try to put it above.
So you don't have to forward declare it.
 
Also why would the fact that you call it in some other function somehow define it's position?
You'll probably call it in some other functions too.
 
9:52 PM
@Jefffrey For readability.
@Jefffrey Sometimes.
 
I guess I would put it before, just because I don't usually declare functions without specifying a body immediately.
 
@Jefffrey It is kind of topological sorting.
 
It's a thing I never really put a lot of thought in.
 
I think I tend to use same scheme for methods too.
 
9:55 PM
Since we have ctrl-click it might not matter too much.
But still it's handy if you can see the flow on a single screen.
 
Ok, I guess that std::experimental::view is still one of the best alternatives I've seen for multi-dimensional arrays.
 
Yes, I agree - it does not matter to much.
However, I prefer to put struct/class fields at the top of struct/class.
It is often enough to know what fields class have in order to understand what it can provide, which algorithmic complexity, etc.
 
Yeah. The implementation details often are key to understanding what a class is about.
It's OOP's dirtiest secret.
 
Yes, just a brief look at fields - gives a lot of info.
 

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