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6:00 PM
There is "Concepts TS" in 2014 here : isocpp.org/files/img/wg21-timeline.png
Does that mean it is experimental ?
 
@Nelxiost No, it means that there's a Technical Specification in the works, after C++14 is released.
 
Only one book too many! Success!
 
Xeo
Only call it success if you visited a doc.
 
Oh, so these TS are likely to be under development within a few years ?
 
6:11 PM
@Nelxiost even MS is apparently targeting concepts for the vNext +1
 
Alright, so it will not be part of the language but provided as an extension to some compilers, right ? Good to know.
 
@Nelxiost No, it will be a published technical specification, which is expected to be included in the next version of the C++ standard. Assuming nothing major happens again.
 
lol
 
@Nelxiost The idea is that all TSs completed between now and C++17 are going to be part of C++17
 
6:16 PM
Yeah but can it be provided as extension or something like TR1 in the standard library (something like, since it seems to require keywords) ? Before C++17, I mean.
 
@Nelxiost It will probably be invoked by passing -std=c++1z or something.
I doubt they're going to go out of their way to make a TR midpoint when the lag is only 3 years.
 
Xeo
TS is the new TR
 
@OmnipotentEntity Ok, that is what I meant.
 
Xeo, yeah, except the TS are more targeted and only talk about a single "thing" which is better imo.
 
@OmnipotentEntity, are you the same OmnipotentEntity from Nerd Paradise, by any chance?
 
6:19 PM
I am
 
Ha, neat
I am Hydrogen
 
oh heya! Fancy meeting you here.
 
Indeed
Small Internet
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you bought 7 books?
 
The same interests lead to the same internets
 
6:21 PM
True, that
 
Thing that is not necessarily true in the other world
 
@JonathanSharman geez :L that's funny
 
Just found this talk about Unicode in C++ by James McNellis from C++Now 2014 (probably the same he's going to give at CppCon). It also contains a brief discussion of @Puppy's proposal so I thought I'd post it here :) (apologies in case it's a repost).
 
@AndyProwl He twote it, so it's hardly a secret. Didn't know about Puppy-mentions though (it's on my watch-later list)
 
6:24 PM
@sehe Yeah I know it's been up for a while, I just thought the citation made it worth bringing it up here
 
@AlexM. What?
 
@EtiennedeMartel better than putin sushi.
 
#NATO's latest evidence of #Russian armor invading #Ukraine has been leaked! Seems to be the most convincing ever! http://t.co/nMdXdILX6q
 
@PolymorphicPotato Fun fact: Putin's name, transcribed in French, is Poutine.
 
lol
Vlad Putin
 
6:30 PM
@PolymorphicPotato actually Vlad is a different name.
 
@Abyx They think they are funny, don't they?
 
@Abyx VLAD
 
@Griwes yeah, they are funny
 
I guess Xeo runs vlad.
 
Yeah, no, not really.
 
6:31 PM
Oh my I didn't know Poutine was a dish. :D This explains that...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Interesting application. It works even for my Czech passport. :)
I wonder what interesting other application are there for the NFC?
 
@VáclavZeman It's an international standard, I think.
@VáclavZeman NFC is used for contactless payments, among other things.
 
@Abyx wut: this is a sad exchange:
 
@sehe oh and why is it sad?
 
6:41 PM
@VáclavZeman Very handy next time the Russians oops, rebels take down a passenger plane
@Abyx note the colon
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have yet to see a business here that would allow me to pay through my cell phone.
@sehe lol, why in that situation?
 
what actually sad is how NATO shows a complete bullshit as a "proof" and people believe it.
 
@Abyx Do they?
 
@sehe tilt shift photography is amazing these days
 
@sehe oh and you have a proof that rebels did it?
 
6:42 PM
@VáclavZeman I just remembered those rebels gathering up all the passports from the fields (thereby separating identification from body remains). Next time, they can just scan the details and... well it was a bit of black joke
 
did you already see data from the black boxes?
 
@VáclavZeman It does exist, but more commonly the NFC reader is in a chip & pin terminal.
 
@sehe Ah. Yeah. :)
 
@Abyx You took it. The bait. The joke is that nobody knows, and the sad truth is saying "the Russians" can get you in a lot of trouble. Apparently, the same goes if you make it ambiguous enough on purpose
 
6:44 PM
Hello :) Are there any Vim users here? I've run into a few difficulties ^
 
no.
 
:wqa
 
@Abyx I did. A copy was leaked and posted on reddit a few days ago
 
If so, I'd really appreciate if you could help ^^ stackoverflow.com/questions/25691771/…
 
@user2966573 There are lots of Vim users here. But let me add to the room tags real quick
 
6:45 PM
It's too peaceful here. Let's make a flamewar.
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I thought the chat room was to discuss and talk about issues?
 
@user2966573 You're about to get downvotes for spamming. I disagree with this behaviour, but just so you know...
 
no.
 
@user2966573 Some chat rooms are. This one is a lounge.
 
Spamming? I mentioned it once
 
6:46 PM
@user2966573 Also you should note that this room, when not lounging, is about C++ if anything, not Vim.
 
The definition of spamming is writing something multiple times over a short time
 
@user2966573 No, that's flooding.
 
Vim is a text editor which I use for C/C++
 
C/C++ kill it now kill it with fire burn burn in a nuclear fire
 
6:47 PM
Air is a gaseous compound which you use for C/C++. We won't help you with chemistry problems, though.
BTW C/C++ does not exist.
 
Sigh..
 
Well thank you anyway
 
C/C++ totally exists. it's just not a good thing.
 
6:47 PM
@user2966573 that's your definition. Also, why do you care? Just accept the facts and join in lounging
 
Xeo
bwahaha
 
> Considering that Concepts were originally designed to simplify C++, a critical mass of committee members agreed in July 2009 that it was time to bid Concepts goodbye.
 
Spamming is sending unsolicited messages in bulk to indiscriminate recipients. This can be achieved by physically writing the message once and having a computer system replicate it to those multiple recipients. That's precisely what happened here.
 
Still struck with this one
 
struck?
 
6:49 PM
It strikes me that the committee does not like simplifying anything.
 
That's not the word ?
 
@Nelxiost How do we know, without knowing your intended meaning?
 
Err.. hit ?
 
Yep, it's right.
 
6:49 PM
> Hello! Does "urgleblurg" mean what I think it means?
> ...
 
Lol right.. But I cannot really be urgleblurg, can I ?
 
Depends. What does it mean?
;)
 
@PolymorphicPotato that's too cute
 
Precisely nothing right now, as far as I know this language
 
"I'm against masturbation because I totally give a fuck about what people do in private."
 
6:53 PM
@Nelxiost Ok, then it's ok. The "still ... with" made me think you meant "still stuck with" or even "still stuck at"
 
^ I give a fap about what some people do in private.
 
@Nelxiost ooh you naughty one, did you download those leakages!
 
@sehe Well in this case, it means about the same thing I think
 
I think people might secretly urgelburg in private
 
I download all sorts of things
 
6:55 PM
@Nelxiost Nope. Something strikes you, then it leaves you struck.
 
Nah, they usually urgleblurg
I see them
 
If you can't get past something it, you're stuck at it.
If something makes it hard for you to forget about it, it sticks with you so you're stuck with it
I could go on a bit
 
Glue sticks you, and leaves you stuck, no ?
 
Glue sticks, and yes then you might be stuck onto to something. But glued seems more usual
 
@PolymorphicPotato It really bothers me when people murder each other in private.
 
6:57 PM
Oh right
 
The translation system of Django is fairly naive.
 
Well then, "still struck by this" ?
 
Use Babel.
 
The problem they have is not the fapping itself, it's the sort of people who fap are likely to then go on and do distasteful things that do affect others. You're basically applying very narrow-minded reasoning to your counter-argument, and failing to consider the wider picture of the argument against fapping.
It's a bit like chavs. Most chavs, I'll never see or meet, so why should I care that they're chavs and do chav things? Because they're teaching their kids to be chavs, and that can only be bad for our society in the long run.
There's a chain of effect.
 
@PolymorphicPotato I doubt that would work well with external django applications.
 
6:59 PM
Ellen Fapper is saying "don't masturbate, because it's one part of your unholiness, and your unholiness is pragmatically bad for society in many ways".
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So you're saying there's a correlation between fapping and doing bad things?
 
(She's wrong, of course.)
 
Xeo
Or are you just summarizing the anti-fapper's arguments?
 
@Xeo No, I'm saying that's what she's/they're saying.
Consequently, "you shouldn't care because fapping is private" is a pretty useless defense.
 
Xeo
k, cuz I wasn't paying attention
 
7:00 PM
np
I got loads of scorez from that Q&A btw ;p
 
Xeo
gratz
 
@Jefffrey Yup. I think it's "Django system" in most languages (capitalize for German)
 
Xeo
I couldn't care less :P
 
The same problem exists with most of the pro-gay arguments, BTW.
"If I'm gay how does it affect you personally?" Obviously it doesn't but, then, very few people are claiming that it does. The anti-gay lobby is more interested in the chain of effect.
 
7:01 PM
Does she say most of christian people are not fapping ?
 
What chain of effect
 
:18718394 Except of course, they don't call it that. They tend to eachother. They give pastoral care. They give a fellow congregationist the opportunity to be of value to a minister. Oh. You deleted already
 
The fact is, most people are not chavs or gay or even christian nowadays, but most people fap...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's slippery slope fallacy by the Xtians.
IMHO.
 
@VáclavZeman Possibly.
I mean, not inherently, I don't think. But it probably happens in the process.
 
7:05 PM
@sehe "still struck by this" <- Is that the correct form ? Just to be sure.
 
@Nelxiost that would have removed the ambiguity yes
 
@Nelxiost It's a more common form yeah
 
How many people natively speak english here ?
 
About... 6 mebbe? Not me :)
 
Xeo
@sehe Should be more
 
7:09 PM
@sehe Yeah but you are an ancient, you do not count :D
 
Xeo
10 regulars at least, from the top of my head
 
Okay. Pups, Tony (90% there), Luc, Etienne, ... already a bit stuck. Oh, Tomalak, Ell, Chimera, Martin
Yeah it's more
The cosh? Can we count him. Har har
 
I like how you don't include @thecoshman on that ;p
I don't like how I wasn't the first on your list
I'm obviously the expert at being native English
 
I'm irregular, but native 'Murican engrish.
 
Puppy doesn't even believe in countries :D
 
7:12 PM
Oh, Etienne is a native speaker ?
 
@Nelxiost Nope, wrong language
He speaks a Canadian dialect of the language
 
Oh, that is why his name sounds french
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Puppy doesn't believe. Period.
 
Xeo
@sehe Luc is French
 
7:14 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hehe
 
I assume Polymorphic Potato natively speaks with other potatoes
 
@Xeo Booyah. I figured. However he's quite the linguist. I thought I could add him
@Nelxiost Inderdaad - zulks is het geval
 
Whut... Nederlands ?
That would be funny
 
@Nelxiost Zeker weten. Aardappel-eters.
I might be wrong in assuming he's the latest incarnation of the lobster
 
Xeo
@sehe Jerry
Mysticial
 
7:18 PM
I admit I've lost track a little over the last two weeks
 
He can speak with french fries pretty easily, Belgium is just next to him.
Also, Google translates gives surprisingly good results with dutch.
 
I never noticed that
 
Or maybe you translated English to Dutch ?
Hah, nice one
 
@Nelxiost no. I just don't use Google translate for english
 
@sehe I'd wager he's never even heard of periods.
@sehe By that logic you might as well be on it. Native is native
@Xeo Nope, North American variant
 
7:24 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so ambiguous
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I forgot to mention the other half of the reason was that I had the impression that Luc lived in an English speaking country for a large part of his life. But I admit I have no information to back this up.
 
@sehe You simply speak Dutch, then ?
 
Thanks for a hidden compliment, though
@Nelxiost Jep.
 
@sehe aha
@sehe Not so hidden, really :P
Also I'm going to take it back since you don't know what "native" means ;)
 
Assumptions
 
7:28 PM
Exegesis
 
^ Is that even a word ?
 
3 mins ago, by sehe
@Nelxiost Jep.
Interpretation
Informal communication
Rambling
 
Meh. My bad, the French word is about the same...
 
@sehe as a properly educated linguist, what do you think of this Latin self-study book?
 
@TemplateRex Looks tempting.
@Nelxiost In that case, it must definitely be a word, no?
 
7:35 PM
@sehe Yep, just didn't know the French one either
 
@sehe my thoughts too, I'm thinking of buying it for killing time on my daily commute
 
Except it might get you arrested when you do start mumbling in latin.
 
@sehe that would be arabic
 
Do you think people know the difference? These days it's 1. arrest first 2. maybe ask something
 
and I don't think they have arrested Roman catholic priests for a few centuries
 
yeah well, arab men taking flying lessons without being interested in landing turned out to be a danger sign too
 
Well. Thought I'd warn you about that.
 
@TemplateRex last May
> Roman Catholic priest arrested on suspicion of defrauding the church
 
@sehe in any case, I travel in the silence-carriages, so I can't murmur :-)
 
> Second Mexican Catholic Priest Arrested In A Week On Sexual Abuse Suspicion
> The Catholic pastor of St. Martha Parish was arrested Thursday and charged in connection with the sexual abuse of a 16-year-old boy in Trenton, police said.
 
7:40 PM
@sehe ok, correct to "they haven't arrested Romand catholic priests for murmuring Latin"
 
well that's just unfair
;p
 
@sehe also especially for you: technicality club :-)
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@TemplateRex you lucky b. I rarely had that option on my commutes. And then when I did, everything was so packed you didn't dare draw anyone's attention to the "SILENCE" signs (that are way too subtle) because you would fear a fight would break out.
 
@sehe oh that used to be the case when I commuted 10 yrs ago. I started commuting again this spring, but so far there's close to 100% compliance
 
@TemplateRex That on eis brilliant
 
7:43 PM
people even turn off the sounds on the phone when texting
 
> compliance
Yay. No more whippings
@TemplateRex Oh, I've always found the reverse to be true; the sounds of people sexting on the phone turned me off
 
btw, only partly lucky, I get 2nd class reimbursed, and upgraded to 1st, but it's witheld from my pretax salary, so costs me 50% of regular fare
 
Traveling in silence-carriages is like... com-muting
^ Sorry for that
 
A good trade off. I usually took 2nd class, but I did upgrade to first class for a while - just to occasionally have a seat on my 2:15h one-way commute. Needless to say - I didn't really enjoy that
 
@sehe 2h15, that would be a killer
 
7:48 PM
Also, I did this partly on the travel budget that coworkers had to drive a lease car
 
I have 1h15 door-to-door, with 40 minute train ride
 
@TemplateRex I took the 6:15 train and had a regulation that I could bill one hour of the travel time as work
@TemplateRex That's just about ok to me. I've had that for ... about 2 years (Sloterdijk). I liked that. But woe if I missed a train (or the train missed it's schedule) because than it'd be hell
 
@sehe 6:15 is when my alarm goes off, and that's just doable
 
@sehe suck my nuts
 
@Nelxiost groan
 
7:50 PM
punctuality is also pretty good these day, I think only 3 times I had 15min delay (missed connection train to my suburb), over last 5 months that is. otherwise on time within 2-3 mins
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meow
 
@thecoshman Just FedEx them to me
 
one thing that really sucks about train is that the free wifi is totally squeezed down to the old 28k8 days
 
We hen won this tulip rat iced width lie ham witch won does knot flow low drools
actually took some effort to write that :S
 
7:54 PM
Hehehehe. So, I got a surprise follower on Twitter today: twitter.com/cellophant quite obviously from a site called Things4Strings.com. Being a violinist and liking some of the tweets I saw I followed it.
Now, all of a sudden, when reading random articles on random sites, I'm confronted with ads from that site.
Admittedly, it's probably enough for me to just visit that site and the twitter thing might just be unrelated. But. Creepy
 
@StackedCrooked When will Coliru support the Clang SVN? I'm missing static_assert's without message ;D
 
@sehe do you also get underwear ads for your wife?
 
@TemplateRex That doesn't suck. That's so you don't get tempted to use it. I used an old fashioned GRPS dongle
@TemplateRex Nope. We have separate accounts. And we do know about incognito. Well. She still signs up for spam (in my view), which is mostly why we have separated accounts!
 
@sehe I just remember how to live without internet (hint, I actually just fall asleep)
 
google is pretty creepy too, when I changed work places this spring, it took only 5 days for the notice in my nexus tablet to change my "estimated time to work" to my new office, and I didn't mark anything
 
7:58 PM
it's almost like they track everything you do online...
 
Yeah. I think that's actually pretty cool. I kinda love/hate these surprises
 
dude, that would be a serious breach of privacy and I'm sure that they don't take the opportunity to make bucketloads of money off analyzing your every move.
 
@Puppy hehehe. It's what they do. And you sign up for it. You can disable these things mostly though
 
also, typing "buienradar..." (wheather service) into google will now autocomplete both my home and work places
 
It's called Google Now if I'm correct
@TemplateRex wow
 
7:59 PM
@sehe I don't really use such services so it's not a big problem for me
 
and that's really helpful because I can't rely on looking outside to see what the weather is at my arrival
 

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