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Xeo
5:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes because it errored internally in the type definition
 
Xeo
i.e., indirect error
 
Well, that doesn't apply to iterator_traits and pointer_traits and so on.
 
Xeo
Those also have internal errors, not due to being left undefined
they have a general definition for any T
 
No, they don't.
Oh, wait, they do.
 
Xeo
5:02 PM
♪~
 
Who's changing the past.
 
for those who don't know, Project CARS is currently the most anticipated racing sim
and to top it off, it's also (imo at least) the most beautiful game ever
visually
(small) sample
 
5:05 PM
@AlexM. it's not a simulator
 
@Xeo Yes, and f<int> compiles.
 
anyway my careful check yielded pretty high tube bias
I toned it down a bit
I hope it's just a hot day
 
> Project CARS (or Community Assisted Racing Simulator) is a game developed by Slightly Mad Studios.
> Genre(s) Sim racing
> an authentic, sandbox motorsports sim
 
@AlexM. showing a 4k game in 640x300 is hardly going to get attention
@AlexM. there are no simulators on consoles vOv
 
5:07 PM
I was not sure people wanted me to post a 4k image here, and I did drop the link above
 
also should ranlux be faster than mt19937 because on my machine it was like 20% slower
 
they also said that Gran Turismo is a simulator
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, it should
due to the fallback
 
why would there not be simulators on consoles?
 
because there's no community there
and no hardware
 
5:08 PM
The fallback doesn't matter. Without it you get a lousy OR failure error.
 
Xeo
Okay, what's the problem now?
 
there are like 2 wheels that consoles accept and that's pretty much all
the higher-end models are PC-only
 
Xeo
It compiles because you never enter the specialisation (due to not matching F(Args...))
 
I fail to see how that implies there are no simulators on console
 
not event mentioning the fact that shifters and pedal sets typically use their own usb plugs for enhanced precision
 
5:09 PM
my logic must be broken
 
@Xeo Yes, and instead you get an incomplete type.
 
@AlexM. there are games that call themselves simulators, but are quite heavily simplified for a sunday gamer
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz Enhanced precision? Gear sticks and pedals don't need much precision right?
 
@Ell pedals certainly do
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, and?
 
Ell
5:10 PM
@BartekBanachewicz How much precision do you think they need? o.O
 
Xeo
it properly SFINAEs on that
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Siboire que c'est con.
 
@BartekBanachewicz erm
just asking
 
@Ell the typical (separate) sets have 10-bit
 
what's the PC racing sim that you consider to be the best?
and a real sim?
 
Ell
5:11 PM
10 bit isn't much precision :P
 
@AlexM. rFactor 2 I think
still more than regular gamepad api offers vOv
 
so that's the only game that could be considered a true sim
 
@ThePhD You missed my joke.
 
@AlexM. no?
 
well damn you have some high standards
I think forza and gran turismo can be considered sims just fine
 
5:12 PM
@Xeo And I don't want to debug this shit: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/677d1186176f852d
 
@AlexM. once you've tried both you kinda see the difference :)
 
yes I am aware of the fact that there is a difference
 
I have nothing against Gran Turismo, to be sure
I love that game
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehehehe, that's UB, right?
 
5:13 PM
that's why there are better and worse simulators
 
As if I cared.
 
@StackedCrooked I'll take some of that
 
I don't want to debug it.
I want it to fail flat.
{}; is a small price to pay for it.
 
if CARS is not a sim, then what is it, an arcade racing game?
surely there's enough of a difference between CARS and NFS Underground, right?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes submit a DR
 
5:14 PM
@AlexM. define "better"
they are different
 
> Project CARS is the most authentic, beautiful, intense, and technically-advanced racing game on the planet
 
more realistic, since that you seem to revolve around
 
yay marketing
 
Sure, it effectively simulates racing in real life, as do many games. That does not make it "a simulator" by intent.
Though personally I'd be happy leaving this line blurred.
 
tbh, for me it works like this
 
5:15 PM
point is, they can't release a truly realistic game because less than 1% of gamers would be able to play it
most of the people can't really play rFactor
 
is it like NFSU? it's an arcade racer
is it like GT/Forza/whatever? it's a sim
 
@AlexM. well, you clearly stopped at an arbitrary point then
 
It's similar to the assumption the puppy was making earlier: just because you've seen a property that applies to the primary definition of a template, it doesn't mean it applies to all instantiations; in this case, just because you've seen the declaration it doesn't mean that the definition is empty. Now that I wrote it, it sounds like an even sillier assumption.
 
Y'know what, @AlexM? I'm down with that
 
the best simulators are the ones used by drivers to prepare for the races
 
5:16 PM
well damn
that's pretty obvious
 
and that's like the top of what you can get on any machine simulating a car.
from them, it's a pretty long way to Gran Turismo
 
so Microsoft Flight Simulator isn't a simulator?
 
especially considering a lot of people play on gamepads :f
 
So anyway, I need to find another explanation for this error, then.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so what?
 
5:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my high school teacher used to say that if a game has deliberate changes to reality, then it's not a simulator.
 
"most people" use their willy for delivering semen but that doesn't magically mean it is not also designed to deliver wee
@BartekBanachewicz Then your high school teacher has an adorably narrow and bigoted concept of what "reality" means.
 
console racing games are simplified to allow broader audience to play
 
Ell
They are still simulators :P
 
the simulators can be better or worse, but their aim is to mirror reality
 
Ell
Sims is a simulator
 
5:18 PM
well then
 
ITT Bartek gets to decide for us all when something is realistic enough to be deemed "a simulator"
 
it's not about "realistic enough", it's about the goal
 
Funny, I said that five minutes ago
 
and the goal of the simplified games is to provide fun, not necessarily by sticking to realistic model
and again, I don't think that's wrong in any way
I just think that we should be clear when talking about "simulation games" and "simulators"
or however you word that
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes what error?
 
5:21 PM
On my code. Or in Eigen.
 
Noticed that iammilind hasn't posted since he hit 1,000 answers.
 
> error C2993: 'bool (traits<Derived>::match<Derived>::MatchAtCompileTime)': illegal type for non-type template parameter 'Condition'
Oh wait, I get it.
Rubberducked.
 
iammilind was the Vlad of his day
@BartekBanachewicz I just think you should stop
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit right.
 
Seems like an MSVC bug.
2
MatchAtCompileTime is an enumerator.
 
5:23 PM
Farewell, then. :) — Tomalak 47 secs ago
heh
@R.MartinhoFernandes starred because you've said it so many times lately, it deserves some recognition
 
(And in a real compiler it's definitely not a type because no typename)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes psst: try (bool)...
it prolly interprets that as a function-type, not a cast
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I hate this shit. I'm only doing this because I was promised-- wait, I wasn't promised anything.
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :c
 
@Xeo Yeah, that's what I clicked when I saw it pasted here.
 
5:24 PM
fuck.
I fired all my missiles and now I only have a halberd beam and no means of bringing down their shields.
 
> error C2275: 'Eigen::internal::traits<Derived>::match<Derived>::MatchAtCompileTime': illegal use of this type as an expression
Nice try.
 
Xeo
lol
factor it out into a variable or something, maybe?
like, <..., TheEnum v = ...::MatchAtCompileTime>?
 
@Xeo It's a template argument. I'm weary of adding dummies for this.
 
Bad previous experience.
 
Xeo
5:26 PM
heh
 
You're dummies.
 
VM is unusable while building.
 
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What's the close reason for this?
There is no "this does not belong here" reason that doesn't require sending them off to a different site.
 
Xeo
custom off-topic vote?
 
5:29 PM
This question appears to be off-topic because it is not about programming and for some ungodly reason the powers that be decided there should be no close reason that means "this does not belong here" without a "but it belongs elsewhere in SE" string attached. — R. Martinho Fernandes 9 secs ago
 
Xeo
Dunno, the other voted reason seems good
> Questions asking us to recommend or find a tool, library or favorite off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it.
too broad would prolly also fit
 
It happens to apply to this one, but is not a replacement for "it doesn't belong here GTFO".
HAhahaha bool(Traits::match<Derived>::MatchAtCompileTime) compiles.
 
Xeo
what
 
(Original was, correctly, bool(Traits::template match<Derived>::MatchAtCompileTime)
 
He's not really asking for an offsite-resource. Second to last sentence ;-)
 
5:31 PM
(s/template //)
So they broke template disambiguators, it seems.
They don't need them, so they likely don't even have them in tests.
 
user3010322
#ifdef SHITTY_COMPILER
#define maybe_template
#else
#define maybe_template template
#endif // Shit
 
Now all I need is a workaround that doesn't break on GCC.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm going to file so many bugs that they will make me an offer to work for them and then I'll reply with a link to that. :P
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Get in line. :3c
 
user3010322
Wish I could setup my laptop as a mini-radio-station.
 
user3010322
Just USB-plug into my laptop and then have it start broadcasting.
 
user3010322
5:36 PM
... Wait. Why can't I make my laptop a mini radio station.
 
user3010322
Project-get!
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you know wirelss headphones which can pick it up?
 
Wait, you don't mean that kind of radio station then.
Just grab any BT controller that supports AVDTP.
Pretty much any BT headset would work then.
Maybe Sony or Apple make some with their own protocol. But fuck them. Oh, and except DRM-enabled shit too. But that's it.
Wait.
 
5:40 PM
AVDTP is audio/video.
I meant A2DP. Just audio.
 
So anybody ever use Boost ASIO to do network programming? Is it worth the effort when doing simple client server stuff? I should I should write a simple class or two that wraps standard BSD socket library? I guess I need to know why I should use Boost ASIO for network programming...
 
dang, the jam on gdse this time was pretty successful
 
12 submissions
 
user3010322
@AlexM. There was a jam and you didn't tell me. :l
 
user3010322
5:43 PM
You make me sick.
 
I did
multiple times
anyway, here is the meta question
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Q: The 2014 GDSE Summer Game Jam

John McDonaldTime The summer Game Jam will take place between July 4th 5am and July 7th 7am UTC. Rules We're going to keep the same rules as before: Participants are allowed to write games for any platform. All publicly available libraries and middleware are allowed. All publicly available creation tools...

 
@ThePhD FWIW such things already exist as consumer products.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's helpful, then. So all I need is to make something that broadcasts over bluetooth.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes snigger
 
@Chimera Yes, somebody did, once.
 
5:46 PM
@AlexM. Never understood why they do things in summer, the only time of the year when one should spend more time outdoors. Oh, wait. Kids. No work to do. Sigh.
 
Ell
@Chimera I like it :3
 
also seriously, use Boost.ASIO because they already did it better than you'll do it and spent way more effort debugging it and designing an API actually worth using.
 
Ell
^
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's a seasonal jam though
 
your face is seasonal jam though
 
5:46 PM
Sometimes, refactors fail in R#, with no feedback.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What, in all that heat? I'd practically rather spend time outdoors in winter.
 
I run the refactor, and nothing happens.
 
at least wearing clothes is effective against the cold.
 
So I have to do it again.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit For a minute then I read that as "sand-nigger" #ImNotRacist #Flag
 
5:47 PM
if my face were a seasonal jam, it'd probably be a very tasty seasonal jam
 
@EtiennedeMartel EAP?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope. 8.1
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There were thunderstorms this weekend.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there WHAT
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Also, WTF are you talking about, Brit.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was going for "rain and thunder" and changed my mind halfway through.
 
user3010322
@AlexM. Ping me DIRECTLY next time. D:
 
ok
 
In winter the last one out of the office turns off the lights. In summer the last one out of the office turns off the fans.
 
@ThePhD well the next one will probably happen in september, I think
unless someone else goes all I HAV EXAMS THEN PLS POSTPONE KTHX on meta again
 
user3010322
Anybody who has exams in September shouldn't be considering a game jam.
 
5:53 PM
oh man, thank god I have no more exams
 
user3010322
> All publicly available libraries and middleware are allowed. All publicly available creation tools (e.g. Photoshop or 3DS Max) are allowed.
 
user3010322
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
3
 
owned again
 
user3010322
Fuck these rules. Fuck all of them.
 
5:53 PM
What's the problem?
 
wut what's wrong
 
Furrovine is non-public.
 
user3010322
@AlexM. I don't have Furrovine publically released yet. ;~;
 
oh
just use something else
 
5:55 PM
He doesn't want to release his code with stack_cast or cowboy_cast in it :P
 
yes, yes he does.
 
@AlexM. He can't use other people's stuff. Something about swelling and sneezing.
 
Tony is so easy to troll.
I mean, too easy. You don't even have to want to troll him.
 
oh :/
 
5:56 PM
bolts out the door
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion stack_cast? :P sounds nasty
 
Don't ask
 

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