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8:00 PM
@Mgetz What no
 
hmm
might install Python and just write my own script for generating html pages.
 
@RaenirSalazar That also is not simplified code.
 
I don't know much Python so it'll be fun.
 
How are people defining simplified? Main isn't used in what's causing the problem but the guy wanted main
 
@RaenirSalazar We should be able to run it on our own computers and get the same error.
 
8:04 PM
Python is simple
I don't know why I'm installing deps on host when I have VM running in the background urgh
 
It isn't clear to be what portion of my code would be considered simplified
 
remove everything except the bits passing around MyMesh, and if the error still occurs, that's simplified.
If not, then add back more until you see the error, and probably figure it out and delete the question
 
@RaenirSalazar Start with everything you need to compile your program right now in a single file and reproduce the error. Then cut everything that doesn't cause the error to stop appearing or introduce other errors.
 
the original code that I had put up was what caused the error, it was literally two lines, I just don't know what is wrong with those two lines to cause the error
 
no, it wasn't.
you start with every single line that is needed to make an otherwise valid program.
 
8:09 PM
@RaenirSalazar Since there is so much code here, I have no idea what line is your error pointing to.
 
@RaenirSalazar it's a compile error, we don't need the cruft
 
Also, what is ` Mesh`? The class isn't even defined here.
 
my original post only had the function call that gave the error, and the function declaration, and that Mesh is a class external to source.cpp and controls.h
 
@RaenirSalazar those two lines aren't something we can copy paste, throw at a compiler, and see your error.
 
@RaenirSalazar Yes, we know. We can't pass that to our compilers.
 
8:10 PM
Do people think we divine the fucking error or what
People need to run this code, and see the error, what is so haaaaaaaaaard
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't know I use dowsing rods to find my bugs, don't know what is so hard for the rest of you...
 
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah, I'm pretty awesome.
 
I'm working on it :-/
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah , im sorry about that sir — Mark Yu 46 mins ago
 
8:11 PM
@RaenirSalazar also your story changed. In the new copy pasted dump, your parameters are not in the same order as the function definition.
 
ah, I was fiddling with it trial and error
 
Horrible, horrible question. If an introduction to problem requires guessing and/or multiple days of analysing your code, you're doing it wrong.
 
I'm working on it, copying pasting to a new cpp file and seeing what requires what
 
I don't see a question
 
8:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not disputing your awesomeness, how did you figure?
 
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@Xeo Tuple Template Templar, Overload Overlord, and Prominent Pi Prince
 
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I'm still trying to figure out the nicknames for others
 
Woah Ubuntu 14.04 actually has Python 3.4 in the repo
 
@CatPlusPlus No 2.X
 
@ThePhD What about me?
 
8:21 PM
They have both dummy
2 is just still the default
 
@CatPlusPlus but not GCC 4.9 for some reason
 
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@TonyTheLion Your description is too awesome to fit into a few words. ♥
 
4.9 is in Debian testing
 
Tony was that addressed to me?
 
Oh, sry I read the 14.10 they will remove the 2.X dependencies.
 
8:22 PM
@ThePhD I bet the nickname for me would be "the gamedev guy"
 
@CaptainGiraffe Experience :)
 
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@AlexM. "The Gay Gamedev Guy" FTFY
 
@ThePhD <3
 
im not gay lol
just a bit merry
 
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@AlexM. I know, I'm just messing with you. :D
 
8:23 PM
:A
 
man, I really hope SOAD make a new album someday
 
There is a yellow flag here. Personal misconduct -15 yards.
 
lolwat
 
user3010322
FUCK YEAH
 
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8:29 PM
Took 4 hours to build, but Furrovine++.Unicode and Furrovine++ built!
 
Do I need to include my mesh class as well, should I just post an empty class or is the implementation details important? its a large class.
 
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In release mode!
 
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All das speeeeed!
 
8:30 PM
@RaenirSalazar if it shows the error with an empty class, an empty class is acceptable
 
You do not store "1 byte hex characters". You store bytes. The base of the digits you wrote in a literal to enter those values into your program source code is not relevant. — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
needz upvotez
 
k, so it isn't a compiler error, its an intellisense syntax error, so that helps I think
 
uhh
 
any kind of syntax error would still be considered a compile-time error, though i have no clue what an intellisense syntax error is
 
@coltonoscopy Sometimes Intellisense complains about things that the compiler doesn't, and the other way around
 
user3010322
8:34 PM
Ignore intellisense errors for the most part,
 
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until you get used to their quirks.
 
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Then you can use it to quick-check basic lines of code.
 
I just mean whenever the compiler puts the red squiggly line.
 
unsigned char[] is volatile (may be changed), const char is constant. — Roman Smelyansky 23 secs ago
 
ahhh i see. just looked it up, never really used visual studio for much
 
8:35 PM
Generally I've never known a situation where the compiler will safely compile and ignore any intellisense errors, but I'll try it
 
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The compiler acts entirely independently of the intellisense error provided.
 
@ThePhD that snippet has no instantiations and since there's no 2-phase lookup it obvioulsy accepts all sorts of bullshit.
You need to add an actual instantiation somewhere.
 
@RaenirSalazar They generally agree, but they are two totally separate C++ frontends with their own quirks and bugs.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, right.
 
8:37 PM
59 mins ago, by Puppy
@Jefffrey It's about as specified as the width of the hair on your ass.
 
OI
unsigned char[] is volatile (may be changed), const char is constant. — Roman Smelyansky 2 mins ago
 
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I forgot VC++ doesn't have 2-phase.
 
It is unspecified.
 
@Puppy kk, one sec, I need to fix another error to be sure, it complains when I try to compile.
 
@RaenirSalazar intellisense is an attempt to statically analyze C++; which is very very difficult clang does the best so far of any of the compiler based methods.
 
8:38 PM
Intellisense tends to be shit and invent errors where there are none
otoh so does the compiler proper so
 
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I don't know why intellisense just doesn't call the compiler target you're using.
 
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It makes absolutely no fucking sense that it uses a separate toolset to do this.
 
Because the compiler wasn't built for this
IS doesn't need assembly output, it needs a rich AST output
And stuff
 
@ThePhD They can't even build the compiler for 64bit.
 
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(VC++ doesn't have an AST lololololol)
 
8:39 PM
afair some early IS versions were actually built from the same codebase as the compiler, but #ifdef'd to hell and back
 
@ThePhD not yet... apparently they're refactoring it that direction
 
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@Mgetz I would believe it, if I wasn't using the latest compiler and still seeing some lovely errors.
 
Ell
I just remembered that I don't like these people :(
 
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Also the hell that is decltype(), buahaha.
 
rofl
 
8:40 PM
stupid question: if VC++ doesn't have two phase lookup, how does it do what two-phase does?
 
it doesn't
 
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@TonyTheLion It doesn't.
 
it doesn't.
 
Badly
 
8:41 PM
honestly I'm surprised they didn't do it as part of the roslyn effort, but with them deprecating /clr I guess they didn't want to deal with it
 
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It literally does not check anything in a template until it is instantiated.
 
my plugin isn't working
 
@Mgetz Roslyn is only for C#.
 
:<
 
8:41 PM
Yeah Roslyn has nothing to do with the C++ compiler
 
Ell
I should have stayed at home -.-
 
Completely different thing
 
Ell
I haven't seen them in a while and I forgot that they all take the piss out of me constantly
 
user3010322
template <typename T>
void f () {
     PANTS ON HEAD RETARDATION DHJHDJhDKW*&$*#(@&$#*@(&#$2784908378!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
}
 
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That will probably compile perfectly in VC++.
 
8:42 PM
Nah, they do syntax check
 
Ell
I haven't seen them in a while and I forgot that they all take the piss out of me constantly
 
@ThePhD depends... are those macros?
 
Ell
I should have stayed at home -.-
 
You're repeating yourself
 
go home
and join us in our little party here :P
 
8:43 PM
Okay, I have found the problem, it was a stealth circular dependency error
 
STAR THE FUNNY COMMENT
 
Never
 
super-advanced super stealth flying dinosaur!
 
that's Blackwing
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what funny comment?
 
Ell
8:43 PM
Oops.
 
yes, motherfucker.
yes it fucking is.
 
Heh I created a ~~modern app skeleton~~ and I don't like anything about it
Fuckin default generators
 
hmm
 
@Lightness Gee, and you complain about my natural starbait.
 
8:44 PM
I am suddenly not liking Python very much.
 
Once I put my Mesh class into #ifndef brackets the error and compiled the error went away
 
Python gets all my love <3
 
flynt
 
I am suddenly not liking Python very much.
 
8:45 PM
That's because you're bad
 
you're repeating yourself
 
@TonyTheLion connection failure
 
Baddie
Badlet
 
Puplet
 
@TonyTheLion The one I just posted twice.
 
8:45 PM
I type too fast and SSH in ConEmu can't catch up with echoing
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't believe I've ever complained about it...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Never even noticed
 
9 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
unsigned char[] is volatile (may be changed), const char is constant. — Roman Smelyansky 2 mins ago
@TonyTheLion charming
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes When I instantiate the thing, it snaps in half.
 
honestly everything was going well until I decided that I didn't want a map<stuff, stuff>, I really wanted a vector<pair<stuff, stuff>>.
now I'm not quite sure wtf to do
 
8:46 PM
oh that's interesting; the quote is double quoted when the comment is quoted
 
yea nested quotes
 
wait, no, it's just formatted oddly
that confused me
er, obviously
 
user3010322
But I guiess it should snap itself in half... but the error it gives is about a ctor.
 
user3010322
Which is clearly defective parsing.
 
another totally unproductive day. i'm really starting to fall behind on my work -.-
 
8:49 PM
> Click here for the top ten reasons Bruce is using click-bait titles for his blog!
he won the internet
 
hrm, @coltonoscopy @Puppy @ThePhD I think you three clued me in to trying to compile it anyways and see what happens, is there a way to upvote you three?
 
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@RaenirSalazar I don't want upvotes.
 
I don't require or desire upvotes.
 
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So far I think I'm maintaning a pretty even 300 right now.
 
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If I can keep where I am...
 
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8:50 PM
I think I'll be okay.
 
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... I think.
 
if you want to return the favour, you can stick around and aid me with my Python-script-generated website.
 
What is with you and rep
 
no need Raenir, hope you are able to get everything working smoothly though!
 
@Puppy maybe you need some downvotes :P
 
8:51 PM
are any compilers smart enough to call a move from a local that's about to die? is that even legal?
 
@TonyTheLion Go ahead, it'll only take about 90,000 of them
 
@Puppy why stop at 0?
 
@zounds "call a move"?
 
As King and First of my name, Lord of the Andals, the Roynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, Defender of the Faith and Protector of the Realm, I demand to be able to upvote ye!
 
8:51 PM
like
 
Hello, I'm calling my move!
 
@RaenirSalazar you are
 
You so had to Google this shit
 
{
local thing;
// blah blah
vector.push_back(thing);
}
 
@zounds It is not only legal, but required, in some small circumstances. Else it is not legal.
 
8:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel 8 ball corner pocket?
 
can it convert that to vector.push_back(std::move(thing))
 
@Puppy how are you implementing your Python site?
 
@ThePhD yep, sounds like it.
 
Pretty sure I spelt Roynar wrong.
 
@zounds use emplace_back that's already done for you
 
8:52 PM
@coltonoscopy With Python.
 
lol
frameworks/libraries/etc
 
none.
 
And now 2 days before I can confirm my answer.
 
cgi?
 
nope
 
8:54 PM
fax?
 
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@zounds When you turn on the optimizer, it may do it for you. However, in regular C++ code, no that's not supposed to call std::move( thing ).
 
lol how are you getting your site to run then
just raw sockets?
 
probably just love
 
they say nothing can stop true love
 
Except boneitis
 
8:57 PM
i had to look that up. unfortunately i've only watched a couple episodes of futurama
 
hehe. I had to look up "coltonoscopy" :^
 
damn i just did too and apparently someone who has quite a few twitter followers exists with the name already
not as original as i thought
 
@CatPlusPlus By the way, what did you mean by external representation?
 
@coltonoscopy Just generating HTML files. I have github pages to host and handle web serving and shit.
@ThePhD Can't do it for you.
 
@Puppy ah i see, that makes much more sense
 
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9:07 PM
Oh. Well then he's just screwed. :D
 
@coltonoscopy spoiler: Of course I didn't. Though I had to
 
cept i actually did look up boneitis :p
@Puppy what hurdles have you stumbled upon in your quest to generate HTML?
 
well
right now I'm trying to figure out how to treat a subdirectory of my repository as the root of the site.
I have a bunch of building stuff like python scripts in the root.
I could move them to a non-root and build to root, I guess.
welp, that works.
 
i'm not too familiar with github pages, for that problem i always used something like an .htaccess file or whatnot with apache
 
I guess you could keep the generated stuff as a subrepo or something.
 
9:11 PM
Fuck Apache
 
lol what's wrong with apache
 
GitHub Pages is cool. You put the pages there and they serve 'em.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just stuck it in /build. If people want to see my source it's public on GitHub anyway. What do I care if you can download my build scripts?
 
i'm gonna check that out because i honestly never even heard of it
 
9:13 PM
that's pretty cool actually i think i'm gonna mess with it
 
Generators on master, generated shit on gh-pages
Keep a gh-pages checkout in a temp dir and make the generator call commit/push
 
that's way more effort than just sticking it in /build.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not for the username.github.io thing, though.
 
No, it's still gh-pages
 
No, serves from master.
 
9:16 PM
Huh
 
Guess I remember wrong
OH WELL
 
Old branch has more commits but about the same amount of content
:v
 
> WOO COMMIT NEW THINGS.
 
9:24 PM
> Subnetting is the process of designating some high-order bits from the host part and grouping them with the network mask to form the subnet mask.
me in the past several hours
 
wtf... my version of VLC was released 2004-11-15
 
Of course MySQL does not trigger an error when I try to insert an integer 1 into a CHAR(10) field. Of course.
 
no wonder it was half broken
 
ChatPlusPlus.
(There's a French pun in there)
 
I see it, dat pun
 
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9:34 PM
Oh my god.
 
user3010322
This StyleCop is going to make me shoot someone.
 
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"Tabs are not allowed. Use spaces instead."
"You must place braces on a new line if it spans more than one line."
"Unauthorized space between name and open parenthesis."
"Every field must have a documentation header."
 
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Even my dumb properties which return basically-itself have to have a documentation header, jesus christ.
 
> StyleNazi
 
user3010322
"All events must be placed after all constructors" wat.
 
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9:40 PM
...
 
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Now it's
 
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"All properties must be placed after all constructors"
 
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Jesus christ, this thing.
 
@AlexM. you need to trim your mustache?
 
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/// <summary>
/// Constructs a Thingy
/// </summary>
public Thingy ( )
 
user3010322
9:41 PM
SATISFACTORY, CLEARLY.
 
@ThePhD hehehe. I know that feel. I feel quite strongly about code organization and StyleCop is making it impossible
On that note, sleep well!
 
right.
I made my Python script automatically generate breadcrumbs.
it would be nice if it didn't always insert them into <head>, but that's another matter.
 
@ThePhD Yes documentation is good
 
the whole <head> <body> thing is pretty annoying.
 
@ThePhD Also your spaces everywhere are bad :v
 
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9:45 PM
.. Wait a fucking second
 
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This thing demands to know what the fuck I place in my actual documnentation tags?
 
user3010322
Why doesn't it just, I don't know, write it out for me if it's so anal about it?
 
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If it's going to give me an EERILY SPECIFIC SEQUENCE OF WORDS THAT MUST BE PLACED IN MY CONSTRUCTOR DOCUMENTATION.
 
user3010322
"All events must come before properties" WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE ME A TEMPLATE TO FILL OUT THEN. ;~;
 
user3010322
9:49 PM
Why do you let me type anything and then UNDERLINE EVERYTHING WITH BLUE SQUIGGLES
 
are you using Microsoft's XML documentation thing?
 
user3010322
C# stuff at work.
 
huh.
Python's path joining stuff is broken.
seems like it changes "../" to "..\", which works fine locally on Windows but breaks online.
 
@ThePhD I never followed any of that
I only comment what's needed
I only follow naming conventions set by Microsoft
fuck anything else
 
@Puppy That's because os.sep for you is \.
 
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9:51 PM
THE PROPERTY'S DOCUMENTATION MUST START WITH "Gets or sets"
 
user3010322
WHY DID YOU LET ME JUST TYPE ANYTHING IN THERE THEN, STYLECOP
 
@Puppy No it isn't
 
user3010322
WHY DON'T YOU COME WITH YOUR OWN ANAL TEXT-DISPENSER.
 
Don't use path.join for URLs
 
@ThePhD well that kinda makes sense
 
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9:52 PM
@AlexM. "Returns or sets" TOO FREEWILL.
 
@AlexM. Not really
Documentation for the property should describe what it is, not what it does
 
what do you mean "not really"
 
Everyone knows property "gets/sets" things
 
yes but
 
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@CatPlusPlus StyleCop isn't so sure. StyleCop needs you to make sure.
 
9:53 PM
It's the useless kind of documentation
 
Gets or sets the value of foo.
 
Like var x = 4; // set to 4
@AlexM. Useless
 
sort of implies the property is something that provides access to foo
 
Describe what the fuck foo is
Describe invariants on the value
Describe the purpose
If you're going to write int Foo { get; set; } // gets or sets foo then don't write anything
It's useless and unhelpful noise
 
well yeah in that case it is
 
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9:55 PM
               get
               {
                    return this.portstatus;
               }

               protected
               set
               {
                    this.portstatus = value;
                    this.OnPropertyChanged("PortStatus");
               }
 
user3010322
OBEY THE SPACING
 
user3010322
OBEY IT.
 
but literally all of the .NET framework follows the "Gets or sets ..." convention
 
are those tabs?
 
user3010322
9:56 PM
Nope. Spaces.
 
so it makes sense for that rule to be enforced
 
@AlexM. That doesn't make it good
No it doesn't
"Everyone does it" is not a good excuse to doing stupid useless shit
 
user3010322
btw the newline between the end brace of get and the protected is mandated too
 
how is inconsistency better than that?
 
Inconsistency with bad documentation is good documentation, so yeah, it's better
 
9:56 PM
it's not that "everyone does it" it's that the tools you're using were done like that
 
Not a reason to write bad documentation
Bad docs are worse than no docs
 
I dunno, if I stumbled upon a lib that I'd use for my C# app, I'd be happy if it followed the conventions the rest of the .NET framework follows
 
user3010322
Wow. It even forces me to wrap a simple
 
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if ( checks )
     return;
 
user3010322
With braces
 
9:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus Ah, apparently Python does come with a thing to specifically handle URLs. Thanks.
 
user3010322
which must also be on newlines
 
aw shit
shoulda taken my pills half an ahour ago
 
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/// <summary>
/// The status of the port.
/// </summary>
private PortStatus portstatus;
 
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Wow, I would have NEVER GUESSED STYLECOP
 

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