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9:00 PM
@Borgleader depends on the amount of questions are asked
 
Moaning about rep: I wrote the killer answer with awesome links to overcomplete code..., I get nil because I get blamed for MSVC brokenness:
Also, here's a version of the sample in this answer that removes all use of c++11 features: http://ideone.com/VVVTYe. I bet it compiles. (My best guess is MSVC doesn't like the using clauses) — sehe 5 mins ago
@nightcracker Rather, it depends on the amount of residual upvotes coming in
 
@nightcracker nah, he gets so much passive rep he'd only have to answer like 1-2 questions a day at most.
 
really?
I get like none =/
 
i think some days he rep caps on passive rep alone
 
9:02 PM
@nightcracker I got legendary at 38k IIRC.
 
@nightcracker Mysticial answered 2 questions in august, yet look at his rep
 
mysticial only has 100 more answers than me
=/
either my answers are very low quality or I'm using the wrong tags to answer
(or both)
 
@Borgleader The Skeet has rep capped on passive since 1989. It started on the gopher version of stackoverflow.
 
@nightcracker He happens to have the most famous answer on SO. That sorta wins on its own.
 
83k potential rep from one answer...
 
9:03 PM
don't overdo it. he's not divine.
Yet
 
everytime Mysticial answers a question this intro plays:
 
Er, Dietmar and some other guy had a debate in comments, that moved into posting answers to debate, which don't address the question... stackoverflow.com/questions/18292619/c-string-array-sorting
I hesitate to flag Dietmar Kühl...
 
Do you fear retribution?
 
wow
visited 799 days, 35 consecutive
the latter number is quite representative for how long I've been living on myself
 
@MooingDuck Well, the answer isn't really helpful to OP. I've seen oblivion downvotes for lesser infractions than that.
 
9:10 PM
visited 240 days, 152 consecutive
I feel lonely
WHERE IS DOG ;.;
 
714 days, 1 consecutive. Phew. I feel fine.
 
@Borgleader no but... he's on the C++ committee...
 
@MooingDuck Look at the specs. They are not created by guys fit to answer this learners question.
 
@MooingDuck So? If he's not answering the question he's not answering the question. Being on the C++ committee doesn't make you immune to misunderstanding the question.
 
You wouldn't put Fernando Alonso as a Driver Ed teacher now?
 
9:13 PM
is there a linux command to pipe text from a webpage as stdin to the next command?
 
@MooingDuck wget will do that, I can check the flag.
 
Is anybody able to download the 13.8 beta driver?
 
@MooingDuck The -O , should do it. Look at the second answer to this. stackoverflow.com/questions/7756609/…
 
@CaptainGiraffe thanks
 
@MooingDuck Also the man wget -O section tells you about more neat redirection features.
 
9:21 PM
What's this about being able to initialize a reference data member with a temporary?
 
wget -q -O -
Or just curl, since it defaults to stdout.
 
@MooingDuck I flagged it for you, i'm not afraid of the committee!
 
Go with curl then. I default to wget thats all =)
 
Evening fellas
 
This evenings yes/no poll: The general consensus is that a useful well-written question/answer should get an upvote. Do you find yourself not upvoting at a threshold? -This answer is good enough for 3 upvotes, so I'm not going to upvote it to four.
 
9:23 PM
I don't upvote anyone.
 
@CaptainGiraffe +1
 
@CaptainGiraffe I've never thought about it that way.
 
I need a place to put this: "I think this benchmark is moot and whatever the result is, it is meaningless." It's perfect description of .
 
But I give out less UVs as time goes on.
 
I downvote questions a lot
I'm more likely to upvote Loungers
I'm biased towards Loungers
 
9:25 PM
I upvote to encourage good behaviour
 
@TonyTheLion We all do Tony, we all do. That is the path we have chosen to take.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Someone else will, so who cares.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Just lots of crap questions these days
 
Votes are a sign of popularity more than quality anyway.
 
I think all good questions have been asked
 
9:26 PM
Good questions require effort.
 
This is true.
 
And people asking on SO cannot muster the effort to fucking Google.
 
Yep, unfortunately it has become that a lot of the time
 
@TonyTheLion There are; but this is a quite comprehensive site nowadays. You won't get away with questions like the one Mooing referenced a few minutes ago. edit not Cat.
 
There's a difference between "good" questions and "useful" questions.
"Good" questions are the interesting and well-researched stuff.
 
9:28 PM
useful questions are google bait?
 
"Useful" questions are the one-liners with a gazillion upvotes.
 
@Borgleader They're the ones that are actually useful to the masses.
 
@Mysticial Those are the ones that come up in Google
 
user1804599
Aftrekken tot je een breuk hebt.
 
wget en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksia_violacea -O -
--2013-08-21 21:28:49--  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksia_violacea
Resolving en.wikipedia.org (en.wikipedia.org)... failed: Name or service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address `en.wikipedia.org'
 
9:29 PM
Honestly, all the useful ones are taken.
 
Our friend "H2CO3" regularly lashes out against the "useful" questions that have a gazillion votes.
 
And you can never find dupes.
 
@TonyTheLion yes
 
I don't think I ever asked a useful question
but they're always good
 
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@Mysticial I think H2CO3 would be a great Stack Exchange moderator.
 
9:29 PM
I like the interesting ones more usually.
 
@Mysticial He's a knob
 
@Mysticial Yeah but they're useful. Honestly I think people who complain about them need to cool down.
 
--2013-08-21 23:30:07-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksia_violacea
Resolving en.wikipedia.org (en.wikipedia.org)... 91.198.174.225, 2620:0:862:ed1a::1
Connecting to en.wikipedia.org (en.wikipedia.org)|91.198.174.225|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 98803 (96K) [text/html]
Saving to: `Banksia_violacea'

100%[===========================================================================================>] 98,803 --.-K/s in 0.1s

2013-08-21 23:30:07 (988 KB/s) - `Banksia_violacea' saved [98803/98803]
 
how I waste my time
 
@not-rightfold That would be a bad idea. Because he will delete every single useful question. But of course SE won't let him do that because they generate ad revenue.
 
9:31 PM
stackoverflow has ads?
 
Yes
 
lol adblock
 
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@Mysticial He will delete every single useful question? Wonderful! That's the perfect moderator!
 
@CaptainGiraffe same command I used?
 
@nightcracker Yes. But we don't see them much because we have > 200 rep.
 
user1804599
9:31 PM
(Current moderators also do that.)
 
I don't use adblock on sites that don't have annoying ads.
 
@Moo yes
 
@Mysticial I don't see them at all because I use adblock
 
@CaptainGiraffe I wonder if it's a Coliru thing
 
9:32 PM
I only disable AdBlock for sites I like.
 
wget google.com?
@CatPlusPlus I think that is the common usage pattern.
 
@MooingDuck That's DNS lookup failure.
 
@CatPlusPlus yes
@CaptainGiraffe Must be a Coliru thing
 
Nevermind. :c
 
hi
bye
 
9:34 PM
I just discovered eplot and my life is a little better now.
 
i stopped reading at gnu
 
@StackedCrooked I expect my life to improve thanks to your discovery. Thanks.
@Borgleader Chicken MacBignuggets are not for you?
 
Something isn't quite right.
 
hmm, i just had to cancel my trip to france this weekend - should I just go to work tomorrow or just snooze at home all day?
 
Looks like a weird form of tetris.
 
9:44 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Indeed, I never go to McDs
 
Shoot, to late to edit.
 
@Pawnguy7 I have already bought this from HumbleBundle it was awesome.
 
Does this remind you of anything?
 
It looks like an ant licking the ass of another ant.
 
@Pawn It's like at the optricians: Better? / Worse?
 
9:48 PM
I was going for fall (season). Hrm.
 
@Pawnguy7 You nailed it.
IMHO
 
Well, if you meant the fall of civilisation.
 
It doesn't look so bad once you space the trees out.
 
Because EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE.
 
Any idea what else I can add to it?
 
9:50 PM
Some not so green grass.
 
I make it separate from normal grass because I expected that, but I don't quite know what color to pick.
If you have a RGB suggestion, I can try it.
 
The orange on your trees and #brown
 
I considered brown. So you are saying, make the ground colored by leaves, not grass?
 
sry RGB hex should be six digits. #broown
 
Or, a tad of grass, to? 5 colors, then.
 
9:52 PM
Try a patch of grass to make it groundey, the rest is leaves.
 
I think I made it worse.
 
lol
 
@user841550 You probably have an evil header (burninate it!) containing a #define for eol? Try with explicit qualifications like qi::eol: ideone.com/VVVTYe. (I hate how I have to psychic debug compiler/library issues here) — sehe 54 secs ago
 
user1804599
xD
 
@nightcracker I see you're designing a kitchen using IKEA's online kitchen designer.
 
10:04 PM
@sehe what the fuck
 
user1804599
Joining in the app server can be more efficient if joining on the database causes severe redundancy in the result set sent over the network. Consider tables A and B, where each row in A is associated with 20 rows in B, B has only 100 rows, and we want to fetch the first 1000 rows from A with associated rows from B. Joining in the database will result in 20 * 1000 tuples sent across the network. If the join is done in the app server (first fetching the entire B table into memory), a mere 100 + 1000 rows are sent across the network. — meriton Apr 8 '11 at 14:08
 
@not-rightfold Okeej
 
user1804599
Would PostgreSQL's array_agg solve that problem or am I thinking of something completely different?
 
No it won't
 
user1804599
Is it impossible to have the DB return only 1100 rows here?
 
user1804599
10:07 PM
Oh wait. He's doing the join in the client. Ugh.
 
user1804599
Eww.
 
user1804599
Needs more indirection.
 
@not-rightfold I like to do joins with my client.
 
Feedback?
 
@Pawnguy7 I like it.
The shape of orange #2 could be similar to the second red.
 
user1804599
10:18 PM
Need moar gradient.
 
@CaptainGiraffe shape?
 
Let it be a tad bushier
 
user1804599
What's up with the new Google Doodle.
 
@not-rightfold Properly used "moar" conveys more meaning than a smiley
 
user1804599
Achille-Claude Debussy (; 22 August 1862 â€“ 25 March 1918) was a French composer. Along with Maurice Ravel, he was one of the most prominent figures associated with Impressionist music, though he himself intensely disliked the term when applied to his compositions. In France, he was made Chevalier of the Legion of Honour in 1903. A crucial figure in the transition to the modern era in Western music, he remains one of the most famous and influential of all composers. His music is noted for its sensory component and frequent eschewing of tonality. Debussy's work usually reflected the...
 
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10:20 PM
OIC
 
@Pawnguy7 The red one in the middle is giving you the middle finger
 
Haha. I guess they didn't like being deformed so much.
 
Hm.
I just learned that you can cheat RAII.
At least, a little bit.
 
Yes RAII is there to be cheated =)
Tell us your dark ways Lord Vader
 
alright.
today I ate some home-made birthday cake.
who wants to bet what degree of stomachpocalypse I'm going to face for that?
 
10:33 PM
11
 
5*phi
 
@DeadMG Was the cake made in a trailer?
 
std::numeric_limits<long double>::max()
 
@CaptainGiraffe No.
 
10:34 PM
@DeadMG So 0.0 is the only correct answer, unless you are lactose intolerant and quite stupid.
 
er
considering that I have gallstones and am known to suffer severe pain from even well-cooked foods that I am normally totally tolerant towards
 
@CaptainGiraffe his digestive system is defective
 
"quite stupid" should only be evaluated after "lactose intolerant"
 
@CaptainGiraffe Gallstones isn't lactose intolerant.
 
Oh,
Aren't there local ultrasound treatments that are effective?
 
10:36 PM
@ThePhD What does that even mean?
 
'pparently not.
 
@ThePhD I hope you are not talking about The Great placement-new Conspiracy.
 
@ThePhD I cheated on your mother too, but she didn't complain.
 
My mum had a similar condition back in the 60's they cut most of it out.
She does have defects because of if.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
10:41 PM
@DeadMG So I guess an asparagus delight dinner is out of the question?
 
dunno, I haven't had any asparagus since I got sick
 
Was it recently?
 
middle of January 2011.
 
user1804599
sex
 
how very enlightened of you Zoidberg
 
10:45 PM
@DeadMG I wish you well, and I hope you trust your doctor. There is always the option to shout and cry for a new one; a better one.
 
Uh
Quick question.
 
user1804599
 
@CaptainGiraffe I don't particularly trust my doctor.
 
... Wait, no
 
@DeadMG Then I would encourage you to fight, cry, shout for a new one.
Be a nuisance.
 
10:47 PM
yeah I'm due to make another appt with him tomorrow
 
@DeadMG @R.MartinhoFernandes Shiny: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/…
 
@DeadMG Tell him that you want more. Call his station, after the visit. demand a proper diagnosis and a proper treatment plan.
 
Let the reign of pointers begin. <3
 
I had to do this myself for my mum.
A new resident doctor is key.
 
@ThePhD Rule of Three violation, go back and write it again.
 
10:50 PM
@DeadMG I was just trying to illustrate my point. :c
 
@ThePhD This is retarded son.
 
@ThePhD Your point is that the resource isn't cleaned up correctly but you went and violated Rule of Three, so you don't have any point at all.
 
So, "I can cheat RAII" means "I can leak things?"
Dude, you are not even funny anymore.
 
and also
your abuse of delegating constructors is what led to this issue and it's not a cheat at all.
this is just what you get for writing shitty exception-unsafe classes.
this is nothing but "I don't know exception safety".
 
No, I meant that an object is considered constructed if any constructor finishes. So all you need is 1 no-throw constructor (basic default one) and you can make your class work with no leaks.
 
10:52 PM
Does VC11 support delegating constructors?
 
@ThePhD No, you can't.
 
@ThePhD No, you need an exception safe class.
 
@Pawnguy7 No. First hand.
 
You can write buggy code in C++, revelation.
 
Exactly what the cat said :|
Just boring. Not outrageous, not funny.
 
10:54 PM
What's the placement new thing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do you mean, no? As long as you invoke whatever constructor is noexcept before you use potentially exception-throwing constructors with a Delegating constructor, your destructor will always be called.
 
That's more interesting to me than this
 
@ThePhD Go back to read about invariants, kid.
 
I totally wrote 2 + 3 instead of 2 + 2 and compiler didn't warn me.
 
@ThePhD The per-member destructor is still called. The issue is that your class doesn't have proper per-member destructors because it was exceedingly poorly written.
 
10:54 PM
@CatPlusPlus The idioms of writing exception safe stuff are not avaliable to ewverybody though.
 
@ThePhD It will, and it may not be safe to do so... You still have to make your ctor exception safe.
 
I spell like Homer drools
 
@CaptainGiraffe Eh?
 

The Great Placement new Conspiracy

Jan 12 '12 at 2:28, 30 minutes total – 118 messages, 6 users, 2 stars

Bookmarked Jan 12 '12 at 18:05 by R. Martinho Fernandes

 
Writing buggy code because you don't know the language is... uh... still writing buggy code.
3
 
10:56 PM
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Q: Can I get a fresh start in C++ without failing again?

Kerrek SBSometimes it's nice to start over. In C++ I can employ this following simple manoeuvre: { T x(31, Blue, false); x.~T(); // enough with the old x ::new (&x) T(22, Brown, true); // in with the new! // ... } At the end of the scope, the destructor will r...

 
@CatPlusPlus Writing code is one thing. Knowing about all the pitfalls is not hitting compile til it runs.
 
BREAKING: C++ is a bad, complex language, more at 11.
I really don't know what is your point in this discussion.
 
@ThePhD The point where you throw has to be a point where you class invariants still hold, otherwise the dtor runs in an invalid state. And that's pretty much what exception-safety is about.
 
@CatPlusPlus your should direct as a link
 
It's well known idiom. 31 and 22 are ages, Blue and Brown - color of the eyes, false and true - either love, but most likely breasts. Bottom line, somewhere along the lines (of your code) your new girlfriend will become x too. — Petr Budnik Jan 12 '12 at 3:01
 
10:59 PM
@Mysticial Yeah, that was awesome. And he wasn't in on the conspiracy.
 

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