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2:00 PM
there is nothing at 4chan.com ... Ooh .org
is reddit the new 4chan?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 why don't you ask them
 
@TonyTheLion Why is so much software not magic and can't understand what I want it to do? It's bad software.
 
@melak47 someone stole the name 'telkitty'
must be someone here
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 you could ask 4chan :p
 
@TonyTheLion You can't SSH without a server on the other side.
 
2:03 PM
True
 
Using telnet to debug HTTP is not unusual, I think.
 
used to be usual - until ssh took over
 
SSH never took that over.
There are better tools for that, but telnet is the lowest common denominator.
SSH is not a tool for that.
 
I tend to use a HTTP client, but maybe it's just me.
 
I'd use Fiddler
 
2:09 PM
whenever I try to generate a license for sourcetree on the atlassian website, I get a "we are performing maintenance" screen. Every day I've tried.
 
Morning :)
 
@Jefffrey new picture?
 
WTF? What's up with the title?
 
@melak47 Maybe they're doing a big maintenance job? Or maybe they just suck?
 
@Pawnguy7 Yeah, the previous one sucked :/
 
2:10 PM
Did you used to have three f's?
 
@TonyTheLion I think they just suck. My trial license managed to completely expire without me ever being able to get a stupid fucking license.
 
@Pawnguy7 Nope. Most of my accounts have 3 f's so I thought of changing this one too.
 
@melak47 heh
 
( usually Jeffrey is already taken :( )
 
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Q: How do I write MBCS files from a UNICODE application?

MordachaiFILE * streams can be opened in t(ranslated) or b(inary) modes. Desktop applications can be compiled for UNICODE or MBCS (under Windows). If my application is compiled for MBCS, then writing MBCS strings to a "wt" stream results in a well-formed text file containing MBCS text for the system code...

 
2:12 PM
@TonyTheLion is that notch?
 
Ah. Want to see what I have been working on?
 
@Pawnguy7 yeah, why not :)
 
@Jefffrey what?
 
@TonyTheLion Notch (minecraft creator). Poor joke. Sorry :(
 
@Jefffrey Here.
 
2:13 PM
@Jefffrey ohhh I'm not a big gamer, I wouldn't have got that.
 
Also, I think I may have just gotten the screensaver to work.
 
Oh, SOchat's desktop notification got cooler today
@Pawnguy7 Is that like ray tracing or something?
 
@Pawnguy7 I'd be willing to try shoehorning some multi threading into your light calculation :3
 
Would that be considered raytracing?
 
2:17 PM
I don't know, but that looks simpler and cleaner than what I would expect...
 
It is also a bit slow, unfortunately. Well, at least, for what I had in mind.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Literals are arrays, not references to arrays. If your question is more about whether decltype should be adding a reference, then I don't know.
 
@Jefffrey lol
 
@Pawnguy7 Why don't you use Github to host the code? So that people may help you...?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, answer is a few messages below in the transcript if you're interested.
 
2:18 PM
SOchat notifications got really cool.
 
I don't know what I will do with the project. I just wanted to see if the lighting worked, and it did. And I am trying to learn about optimizing algorithms, so I suppose it is a double learning experience.
 
user1804599
That's Chrome, not Stack Overflow chat.
 
@Pawnguy7 unless you want the flickering to affect the magnitude of the light more than 1.0, you don't need to recalculate for the flickering effect
 
Oh, right - I actually read the Coliru post wrong. Thought the ref-less one was being rejected. Okay, so decltype(lvalue) -> typeof(lvalue)&.
 
Oh. Because all the same squares are reached and I could just decrease/increase all of them by the same amount?
 
2:19 PM
@not-rightfold It used to only display text though. How does Chrome understand that the picture to display should be the avatar (Sochat told him that=?
 
user1804599
Uh it always worked.
 
@not-rightfold What? No, it's not.
 
Not for me. And I've always used Chrome.
 
It's SO Chat's "desktop notification" feature, which may well use Chrome to implement
 
@Pawnguy7 yeah, just multiply when you are drawing
 
2:21 PM
Someone accidentally clicked on "enable desktop notification" on the RHS
 
@melak47 I can certainly try that. If it works, perhaps I can use what I already have, provided the light is small.
 
Shouldn't you be checking the sptr in your if statement in the top part of your answer? — Tony The Lion 30 secs ago
Am I getting that code wrong?
or is there a mistake?
 
@thecoshman To be fair, we're still a relatively small company, and since nobody is doing it anyway, I don't think they have any real incentive to do it.
 
Welp, not sleeping yesterday didn't help me reset sleep schedule, as I just slept for 18 hours.
 
2:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus How do you even do that? I have tried and I never manage
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's one gay rainbow.
 
@TonyTheLion you're just not the right kind of cat, I guess
 
@TonyTheLion Well, you go to sleep, and then not wake up until 18 hours passed
 
@EtiennedeMartel gaybow
 
2:26 PM
@TonyTheLion How do you mean?
 
@CatPlusPlus So do you feel awful now or well slept?
 
Checking for the null terminator?
 
@TonyTheLion Yes.
 
you know what would be a good project for the lounge: we build our own bot
 
If there's a null terminator, it gets assigned to *dptr, and then that gets checked.
 
2:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes From what I understand, he's checking the destination pointer for a space, but shouldn't he check the source for spaces?
 
basic A.I.
 
@CatPlusPlus That fails to answer my question.
 
newb comes in, A.I. takes over
 
@TonyTheLion Whatever is in the source gets assigned to the destination first thing in the loop (note that the condition is assignment not equality).
 
and starts to make basic conversation
 
2:28 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, damn.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 No.
 
cause lounge projects aren't working very well
heh
he doesn't come here anymore
 
He never did after his suspension.
 
Well, he was suspended to "cool down".
 
2:33 PM
Knowing the guy, he probably got really pissed and decided that SO was a pile of shit.
 
@TonyTheLion Well, I feel better than yesterday.
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, that was before the suspension.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right. Well, maybe the suspension was the last straw.
 
SO is a pile of mud, but we are piglets >_<
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 LOL!
 
2:34 PM
squeeeeek
 
Oh god not cakes again.
 
It's the cakocalypse.
 
apocakelypse.
 
nice. gotta paste that one to my gf - she has fun doing things like that
 
2:36 PM
Apuncalypse.
 
That's an apocalypse without puns.
 
There's also the apocalisp, which features way too many parentheses.
 
@EtiennedeMartel hehe!
 
Asking someone with a lisp "why do you always speak with parentheses?" often leads to blank stares.
Just a warning, totally not drawn from personal experience.
 
You must be really fun at parties.
 
2:40 PM
@EtiennedeMartel huh?
 
@thecoshman Or maybe I just misunderstood what your comma-less sentence meant.
 
@EtiennedeMartel it didn't require any commas
7 hours ago, by thecoshman
@EtiennedeMartel well excuse me for applying somewhere that does not consider transatlantic rehoming giving up a free house and stable job is not a clear sign I want to work somewhere ಠ_ಠ
 
@thecoshman lol
 
Holy run on sentence, Batman.
 
hm... perhaps after 'well'
 
2:41 PM
@thecoshman rofl
@thecoshman What about after "rehoming"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes didn't require, probably would help though :P
 
I think it does require.
Aren't those multiple items in a list?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well I think I should get free cakes form work, doesn't mean it's going to happen ಠ_ಠ
 
We usually get donuts on fridays.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes erm... no, it's two things 'transatlantic rehoming giving up a free house' and 'stable job'
@EtiennedeMartel ¬_¬ sure, rub it in
 
2:43 PM
So, I take it things didn't go well?
 
@thecoshman So, what would "excuse me for applying somewhere that does not consider stable job is not a clear sign I want to work somewhere ಠ_ಠ" mean? (I merely removed one item from that list of two things)
 
@thecoshman I'm not sure what to make of that.
@thecoshman You have a free house?
That's it, I'm moving to Ireland. Apparently houses are free there.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes stop making it hard for me to weasle out of my bad English
 
@thecoshman that sentence just makes no sense.
 
@TonyTheLion strictly speaking, no. I suppose technically I am squatting with permission.
 
2:47 PM
oh right
 
Before and after ++yPos, yPos = 1. How can that be?
 
yPos is a bool? UB?
 
yPos = 1 or yPos == 1?
 
The value of yPos is 1, is what I meant.
@R.MartinhoFernandes int
 
SSCCE?
 
2:49 PM
@ArneMertz Short Self Contained Compilable Example
Also Morning
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you posts are a series right, have you thought about having links for next and previous?
 
@Borgleader I know that, thanks. I want one for the ++yPos case
 
@thecoshman I insert them naturally in the text, but I have been thinking about some sort of TOC.
 
I have a feeling if I made this separately it would work :\
 
I have also considered use GitHub Pages only for the hosting, and doing the rendering on my machine so I can use/write plugins.
 
2:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it shouldn't be too hard to liquid to do it for the posts should it?
 
@thecoshman How do I group the posts in a series?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm... interesting...
@R.MartinhoFernandes category?
though bad idea if you want a post over many categories
 
@thecoshman Ah, maybe we are talking past each other.
 
Here is where it occurs, anyway. This also occurs with a value of -1.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes perhaps, I don't think it (what I am thinking of) really works that well for you, there is not a logical order to your posts, just a collection.
 
2:53 PM
 
hi guys.. :)
pls. help me I posted a question :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, that's not really what I was thinking, that's a series within a the large 'cxx11' groupp
 
@JasminAlarilla No.
 
Lolwut @R.MartinhoFernandes meta post got re-opened. FaithInMeta++
 
2:54 PM
@JasminAlarilla oh on, you might get an answer!
 
@Borgleader still < 0 though :P
 
but why?
 
Please indent your code properly. — Tony The Lion 2 mins ago
 
@Borgleader I found it at 4 reopen votes and cast the last one (privilege obtained with rep from it :) for posting subtitles for the irony impaired an explanatory answer.
 
@JasminAlarilla ... it's the point of the site... you ask a question, people answer it.
 
2:55 PM
What is wrong with the current answer?
 
@JasminAlarilla JK. But please, don't ask to ask. Either ask the question or don't.
 
@Jefffrey She asked it on SO already.
 
^ this
 
@JasminAlarilla FWIW, what you want cannot be done without external libraries.
 
Its not the greatest of questions
 
2:56 PM
good evenign guys.
 
The only thing I would add to the answer is that you could use <chrono>.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And apparently it got an answer as well :/
 
@Pawnguy7 <chrono> doesn't have timers.
It has facilities for calculation with time.
 
Somebody here threw me together a little elapsed thing. The task in question seems to call for elapsed time.
 
2:59 PM
@Pawnguy7 Yeah, but not merely keeping track of it.
It requires interruptible or asynchronous input.
 
Yes. I said I would add it too the answer, which says what you are saying.
 
> The problem is you are using the Service accounts OAuth 2.0 flow to authorize to the android-publisher API. I was doing it the same way. However, Google requires to use the Web server applications flow
If this is true then I have absolutely no fucking words.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh come on, I'm sure you can find a few. Like "fuck". Or "holy fucking Jesus backflipping on a burning motorcycle".
 
ok.. :) I'm sorry, i'm just new here
btw Thank you
 
3:03 PM
@TonyTheLion Sure as hell it lacks of a } at the end.
 
I'm too tired.
Fuck Google.
 
Go sleep some more
 
Or maybe not.
 
@thecoshman I have managed to do a couple of things with Liquid, but it is limited in functionality on purpose. I don't want to rule out the possibility entirely, but I suspect if possible it would not be simple or robust. That's why I've been thinking about making the jump to get plugin support instead.
 
3:04 PM
PS Vita - Walking Dead Bundle, y u no have release date!?
 
With that I can either find a ready made solution or write it myself (yuck Ruby, but at least it's a GP language)
 
> once your structure is built, you can simply write the bytes straight out to disk!
Sure, that always works so well.
 
@CatPlusPlus I hope you brought a lot of lube because that's a pretty big target.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Disappointing. At least it wasn't the 60 that the prosecutors were going for.
Our system is fucked. Whistle blowers need to remain safe.
 
3:07 PM
Riddle me this. How am I supposed to verify the purchase on the server, when no working API for servers exists.
 
@CatPlusPlus You don't. You give up, go home and get the emergency vodka.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Looks cool.
 
he could probably appeal in the military court to try and get his sentence reduced
@CatPlusPlus why do you have to do this?
 
Because client wants Android app to sell stuff that are available in bigger system.
 
@EtiennedeMartel as in...
 
3:11 PM
> I, Kenton Varda, was the primary author of Protocol Buffers version 2, which is the version that Google released open source. Cap’n Proto is the result of years of experience working on Protobufs, listening to user feedback, and thinking about how things could be done better.
strange, now I actually think that he's not bullshitting.
 
@DeadMG hehe
C++ interface looks as crappy as Protobufs, though. kentonv.github.io/capnproto/cxx.html
 
@CatPlusPlus give a ridiculously high quote for it so they don't ask for such a thing ... & if they insist, I am sure you can find a way for US20,000
 
But! It uses exceptions, thank Bjarne.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes GSG rots brains.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 It's already done.
 
GSG?
 
3:13 PM
Google Style Guide.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, well, Google.
 
I'm gonna start assuming that Google is not very good at computers now.
 
which is ironic
 
3:14 PM
> This implementation prefers to handle errors using exceptions
Oh shit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not everything is bad, it seems.
 
Everybody knows Google is not as good as Cat Plus Plus at computers. Duh.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah.
But.
 
Prob a noob question but protocol buffers are used to condense data containers to binary for network sending?
 
Slowly but surely, we shall prevail.
 
I'll need to check it out more seriously.
> Cap’n Proto does not use any STL containers in its interface and makes sparing use in its implementation.
:(
 
3:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Something is wrong.
 
There's a bunch of :) in it but a bunch of :( too.
 
Oh oh i know, let's make proto-lounge buffers that don't suck ;)
 
@Chemistpp Protobufs are used for serialisation.
 
Tomalak is one troll without any sense of humour
 
user1804599
3:18 PM
(:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, I see.
 
23 secs ago, by Telkitty 猫咪咪
Tomalak is one troll without any sense of humour
2
 
Where a madman would use XML, someone else would use Protobufs.
 
3:19 PM
We need to make a serialization library and call it "Penis".
 
@Borgleader I have "alternative C++ code generator for protobufs" on my potential future project list. Which doesn't mean much.
I tried to start it once, but the Protobuf source is too Java-y.
 
SUM: 76 4543 3764 21742
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Speaking of projects, how is Ogonek doing?
 
that's a lot of code o.O (a custom game engine I used last semester was around that much)
 
That's really not a lot of code.
 
3:20 PM
@EtiennedeMartel "Primally Efficient Null Information Serialisation"
3
 
@thecoshman Good one.
 
@EtiennedeMartel he he he, they will never know
... what it does
 
@thecoshman The S should stand for "serialisation"...
I thought that would be obvious...
@EtiennedeMartel Still refactoring shit.
 
I think there's a bug in the robots subroutine: while(true) { refactor_code(); }
 
REFACTOR!
 
3:23 PM
@Borgleader When I'm done with this refactoring, I will be on very solid ground. It's worth the wait!
Also, played a lot of Borderlands lately.
 
:) I'm just messing with you
 
Probably too much, though. Did all side quests including DLCs except for one that got screwed by a glitch.
 
So many people in line at the Occulus Rift booth O.o (I wonder if one of the is Xeo)
 
user1804599
 
Just finished Crysis 2 recently. I'm probably gonna write about it on my blog.
 
3:26 PM
@not-rightfold that is absolutely amazing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't make the title "On the subject of Crysis 2" ;)
and yes i keep an eye on your blog
 
@not-rightfold It's rather dull and boring and repetitive.
 
@Borgleader I see you saw the pattern.
 
user1804599
Indeed. The Bible isn't exciting at all.
 
But no, it probably will be a "micro review" of some sort.
Something short and sweet to whet your appetite before my next article.
 
3:30 PM
Beginning gfx programmers take heart--even an expert can sometimes spend two hours trying to figure out WTF no triangles are being drawn.
That's ... reassuring?
 
@Borgleader It's the notorious "Black Screen Effect".
 
@Borgleader Maybe that's why he got fired from id. He can't actually write code any more! Senility, perhaps.
 
@Borgleader In my case, the terrible #define near and #define far macros.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Fire from ID" from which universe are you?
 
@chris hahaha
 
3:33 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's because DX (and IDK about OGL) have shitty, shitty error reporting, even in debug mode.
 
@Borgleader The universe in which he didn't voluntarily move on.
 
I didn't even get any errors because calls blindly succeeded with both a near and far clipping plane of 0.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Er, last I checked, iD put out a statement saying he was still working for them, even though he was now also working for Oculus.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's like CTO of id/armadillo/occulus rift, he didn't get fired.
 
Class(float near, float far) : near_{near}, far_{far} {...} - That actually compiles with those stupid macros.
 
3:35 PM
Wut
 
@Borgleader inb4 Puppy coming in and saying something like "Carmack is a terrible programmer and blablabla".
 
near and far pointers?
 
Oh, right, they're nothing.
hahahaha
 
@DeadMG Yeah, they don't spring to mind like min and max do.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I already made a statement and it was not about how terrible Carmack is,
 
3:35 PM
Fuck Kaspersky. An hour wasted trying to get it installed on TV server box downstairs. Worked fine until last stage - activation. Put code in, but no 'Continue' button displayed. Anne pised about for ages, no good. Checked K. support and: 'This is a known problem with some display resolutions - it doesn't fucking work. Use the 'Alt-N' keyboard shortcut'. Bastards. Most apps install OK and fuck you over afterwards :(
 
@MartinJames You mean Krapersky?
 
why would you install any anti-virus program?
 
@MartinJames why do you want that
 
Use a singleton as global object. Sometimes you will just make look a programm like hell without something global. YOu will always need to pass around every information needed. Most problems would come if you cannot make it thread safe and use threads. — Offler 1 min ago
 
@DeadMG Err.. malware.
 
3:37 PM
an AV won't protect you from malware and it will make your machine run like shit.
hell, the AV is worse than the V
 
@Offler No. No no no no no. That's just lazy. Do it right instead of using an ugly patch like a singleton. — Etienne de Martel 11 secs ago
 
@DeadMG Due diligence - you haven't ever built and delivered stuff, have you? :)
 
Prepare to be disappointed (Sorry Blizzard)
 
'Kaspersy AV, 93 threads, 474K working set :(
 
3:42 PM
@Borgleader Will people be disappointed now?
 
grr Windows 7 won't let me pick non-C: drive folders for wallpapers. wtf.
 
I mean, people have high hopes?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lolwut
Sounds broken.
 
oh actually it won't let me add folders at all?!
i'm stuck with the presets
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Reddit sure will be.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit try simply right clikcing an image in the folder -> set as wallpaper, then see if the folder got added to the folders in the wallpaper menu :)
 
3:42 PM
Because Reddit is always disappointed.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ok, definitely broken.
 
@melak47 mission failure :(
 
reinstall windows :E
 
Do you have wallpaper changing rights or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There are wallpaper changing rights? I don't want those - I hate decorating.
 
@MartinJames There's a group policy for pretty much everything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can change the wallpaper; just can't add my folders to the list of locations
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, you can set policy to limit to a certain set. My question was actually whether you had full control over the machine or whether you are an unpriviledged luser in it.
 
3:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Full rights; personal PC
 
Hmm, out of ideas, then.
 
oh, there's a suggestion that disabling Libraries may be related (which I have done)
still, an error message would have been nice
yayyy that's it
 
@ScottW Gave me a headache watching it.
 
3:53 PM
@Pawnguy7 err, quick question. Is your computer particularly slow? :S
 
@ScottW lol
 
@melak47 Well, it isn't particularly fast :D 6-some year old laptop, if it helps.
 
@ScottW K9 cruiser :)
 
user1804599
@ScottW dat optical illusion.
 
@Pawnguy7 I'm just asking because I have no performance problem with your algorithm, as is, no threading. and it's running at more than 1000 fps :p
 
3:54 PM
@ScottW I can find weirder if I wanted to.
 
@melak47 When does it calculate?
 
@Pawnguy7 every frame
 
@ScottW I'm pretty sure it's illegal for that dog to be driving - it doesn't seem to be wearing a seat belt.
 
@ScottW I don't want to
 
Hrm... wait, I only gave you the algorithm. You got a running project off of that?
 
3:57 PM
lol
 
@Pawnguy7 I branched my D3D rendering thing
 
Ah. Does it move?
 
@MartinJames Good one.
 

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