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12:00 AM
@sehe That's.. a pretty complex first Haskell program.
 
@sehe instance Show Board where show (Board fields) = all $ split fields wait what?
How does that compile?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes By Board being a newtype around [Fields]
 
@sehe Take two paracetamol and drink plenty of fluids.
 
@Rapptz I've been reading the first 12-ish chapter of LYAH while camping
 
No, I mean, all :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool and show :: Show a => a -> String.
 
12:02 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's in the where - i.e. locally defined!
 
@sehe Camping? You with Telkitty?
 
@MartinJames nah
 
Oh gawd. That's ugly.
Reusing names from the Prelude is nasty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno. It's not ugly if you don't know about all :)
 
It's Haskell, I don't know about fuckall.
 
12:03 AM
Good point, fixed: http://ideone.com/PNENMv
^ dat pun(s)
 
@sehe You'll like intersperse.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that more .... "standard" than Data.String.Utils.join?
 
Is that a FTL drive?
 
Well, it's more than concat . fmap (++ "\n").
 
intersperse 10 [1,2,3,4,5] => [1, 10, 2, 10, 3, 10, 4, 10, 5]
 
12:05 AM
Then you could implement some command line options or just ad-hoc configuration file (supposing there is already a parsing functionality). They could both be related to the same class, eventually. — MatteoD 2 hours ago
Oh dear.
 
Maybe I should go to bed and stop trying to take the piss out of something I don't use :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hated that. It was just to appease ideone
 
C..cc...cc....command line?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wait, is that about singletons?
Wat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's replying to my comment.
 
12:07 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. I like it: ideone.com/PNENMv
 
Erm, drop the concat.
 
It doesn't compile if I do
 
user1804599
I prefer toUpper <$> show piece over fmap toUpper $ show piece. Actually I almost never use fmap. :|
 
@sehe Oh nevermind.
 
@not-rightfold yeah. It takes me some brain cycles to detect those. I've tried to use function composition and 'point-free' style where I saw it, though
 
user1804599
12:09 AM
Also Ideone is being slow today.
 
@not-rightfold The pain with applicative style, AFAICT, is that it doesn't mix with composition.
 
user1804599
Can you give an example?
 
Sure. I don't think I can use applicative in the function compositions in lines 19/20 ideone.com/PNENMv
 
@Rapptz I know "genki" means okay. How do you say "tired" or "bad" instead? As in "___ desu."
 
user1804599
@sehe … . (rank <$>) . …
 
user1804599
12:12 AM
:P
 
@ThePhD Prof. Genki's Super Ethical Reality Climax!
 
@not-rightfold really. I thought I tried. Trying again!
 
@not-rightfold What a great improvement!
Instead of fmap you now have a section.
 
@not-rightfold So, indeed you can. It's uglier, though. fmap is quite expressive, and I don't have a use for <$> unless it is for further "currying(?)" the applicative with <*>
 
user1804599
I'm used to <$>.
 
12:15 AM
I bet you are. You like Ruby and Perl :0
 
There's a guy that goes by "Ken Singleton" in the boo mailing list.
 
Lol. Epic troll. I'm sure his singletons are using double checked (Kensington) locking for (re)construction
 
What if it's his real name?
 
user1804599
@sehe I like Elixir.
 
Kenneth Wayne Singleton (born June 10, 1947) is an American former professional baseball player and current television sports commentator. He played as an outfielder and designated hitter in Major League Baseball for the New York Mets, Montreal Expos, and Baltimore Orioles. Baseball career Born in Manhattan, New York City, and raised in nearby Mount Vernon, Singleton played both baseball and basketball in high school. He also played baseball in the Bronx Federation League at Macombs Dam Park, across the street from Yankee Stadium. Singleton was drafted out of Hofstra University by the Ne...
 
12:16 AM
lol
 
I thought the association with Kensington was just a little too good to be coincidental :(
 
@ThePhD いやけがさす?
 
Wha?
I can't even make sense of that
sasu ?
 
I may have misunderstood the question
What are you trying to say?
 
Like. "I'm tired"
 
12:18 AM
of what?
 
In general. Response to "How are you?"
 
Of physical fatigue?
 
@ThePhD 疲れました。
 
AAGH KANJI
 
Anyways. I'm not discontent with what I came up with in ~3 hours of fiddling after reading a book without any access to a computer.
 
12:19 AM
Do you guys have Japanese fonts installed or something?
 
My brain isn't quite whitering away fully, just yet
 
@ThePhD Tsukaremashita.
 
With my set of fonts it your Japanese looks ugly as fuck.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They look okay to me... but I'm not a typographer, and I'm pretty sure it's subbing in MS Mincho or something equivalently bland.
 
How would I begin to tell ugly japanese fonts from elegant ones... I don't know the first thing about those characters
 
12:20 AM
Could also say 今日は疲れてるしね。
 
@ThePhD Are they antialiased?
 
@Rapptz terushi ni ?
 
@Rapptz Blurry much
 
12:21 AM
@chris Rescale artifact. Open it.
 
@ThePhD yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. lol
 
I've never seen that... verb?
I know the first symbol is Kyo
 
user1804599
 
@ThePhD Sentence translates to "I'm kind of tired today"
 
12:22 AM
@Rapptz Hmm, still aliased, but much better than mine (maybe due to size, though).
 
@Rapptz terushi is "I am" ?
 
The dot at the end, I get just four black pixels around a center white one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @not-rightfold thanks for the hints. I might be back in a few days when I found some more time.
 
I need to get back to learning that.
 
For now, night all
 
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12:23 AM
@sehe oet morn
 
Dag Pietje
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's probably not a whole lot of effort put into low-level pixel hinting it?
 
@not-rightfold That looks off for my eyes actually.
 
user1804599
> Jan Anus (Anus, 1920 - Anus, 1980) was een Filipijns austronesianist. Anus werd geboren in het dorpje Anus in de provincie Laguna, en was hoogleraar Anus in de gemeente San Jose (Batangas), meer bepaald in de barangay Anus.
 
@ThePhD In Rapptz's screenshot it is also crappy, just bigger (and thus gets more pixels, but all 100% black)
 
12:26 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You wanna see crappy? :) それは見るも恐ろしい。
 
... Wow, that is pretty crapsauce.
 
Actually...
It looks better :S
 
hahah
 
ITT Robot's head is perma-tilted.
 
Screenshot?
 
italicised kanji and kana looks really bad for me
 
user1804599
If you zoom in far enough, all text looks great.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What sexy font are you using?
 
@ThePhD Dunno.
@Rapptz You mean because it seems weird, or because it really renders poorly?
 
Hm.. それは見るも恐ろしい。, それは見るも恐ろしい。 ,それは見るも恐ろしい。 , それは見るも恐ろしい。
 
12:28 AM
It... seems perfect in italics :S
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Latter.
 
Bold? Aliased. Bold italics? Nice.
WTF.
Time to check fonts.
Now, where did I put Babelmap on this machine.
 
That's some interesting fonts you've got there.
 
dude the bold looks really nice.
 
12:30 AM
 
”I need to go"
I forgot howto say that in Japanese again. :C
 
Oh gawd those italics are terrible indeed.
 
@ThePhD To the bathroom?
 
No, just departing.
 
Oh wait I know this.
 
12:31 AM
Why would I tell her I'm going to the bathroom? That's just silly.
 
But at least you get consistent aliasing on all.
 
I'm leaving is いってきます
according to Rosetta Stone at least, and I don't really do kanji yet.
This is making want to plow through more.
 
”ああ、すみません。私は行く 必要がある。”
That looks really wrong to me as a full sentence. Oh well?
Google Translate says that's okay
Plus, I even used Kanji.
Even though I hate it
I should replace all the Kanji
 
wow moving up to the big league
 
Kanji = little league
 
12:35 AM
I always check a couple boards for translations. Last I checked, GT wasn't perfect.
 
Baby's first kanji.
Google Translate blows
 
Google it, click a few things.
 
It can parse basic sentences though
 
Yeah, this stuff is getting pretty good.
I can't type while eating yogourt.
 
@Rapptz Are you using Chrome?
 
12:39 AM
Yeah
 
Ha, that explains the consistency.
 
Does FF suck at fonts?
 
No, it's actually the fact that it has extra features.
 
I tried to switch to FF but I really liked my omnibar.
 
わかりましあた <ーーー"I understand" ?
Or "All right" ?
Kind of like agreement?
 
12:41 AM
I learned that I have a bunch of Japanese fonts that have only regular glyphs, and only a few that have italic ones. I don't know how to configure that, but apparently the one with most priority is a crappy one with only regular glyphs and no hinting. For italics that one doesn't have the glyphs, so it uses one of those with italics. The ones with italic glyphs all seem to have nice hinting.
 
Welll, doesn't matter now.
Said ti anyways.
I AM CONFIDENT THAT I WILL BE RIGHT.
 
What do you guys think of this way of storing template classes? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/…
 
Oh.
 
Looks better, no?
 
unreadable imo
Japanese font suffers from "too small" syndrome.
 
12:46 AM
The last few letters look weird.
 
12px on Japanese font is really tiny
 
@Rapptz :( That's the largest size with hinting, it seems.
WTF, how do Japanese people do it?
 
They don't use 12px font
:P
 
しましょ
 
@Rapptz I can't immediately tell the difference between は, ば, and ぱ sometimes.
 
12:48 AM
^ see?
That is, しましょ = see ?
 
Wait, I think I got it!
 
I want to say "see you omorrow"
 
(rescale artifacts)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ooh, nice.
 
And I can increase to ginormous sizes.
 
12:49 AM
Definitely better than the others.
 
@Rapptz I think nothing.
 
it looks so much nicer when bigger
lol
 
Font is "Microsoft JengHei UI" if anyone is interested.
 
12:51 AM
it's pretty.
 
Today is ..., not?
Can't read the middle kanji.
 
In FF you go to Options, Content, Fonts > Advanced, change dropdown that says "Western" to "Japanese", pick font.
 
lol (Japanese)
 
@Rapptz Yes, but it still looks ok when small (no idea about readability; this is all meaningless squiggles to me)
At least the dot actually looks like a circle.
 
People in Japan actually want to play Mother 4
 
12:54 AM
The second character means day. That's the easiest one.
The first one means now.
now + day = today
Third character is the topic marker.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good looking squiggles.
 
hehe :)
Sleepy time.
 
Night.
 
@StackedCrooked I knew two of those heh heh.
 
are friend functions defined in the class implicitly inline?
 
1:00 AM
All functions defined in class scope are inline iirc.
No need for the inline keyword.
 
@Rapptz looks like standard type erasure to me. Often there's also a clone method, but it's optional, depending on context
 
Really? I was pretty sure that usually resulted in linker error.
 
@MooingDuck I already made my own any, but the goal was to just allow a specific type rather than any type.
 
The more I "grow" the more I think that people don't appreciate honesty.
 
@Jefffrey s/honesty/anything.
 
1:06 AM
And, as of today, I'm pretty sure people that are sincere are damned to be alone.
@chris I don't speak for everything else, but yeah: as far as I can see they don't appreciate anything.
So, my life lesson for the Lounge today is: never be sincere, always say (and think) what people expect you to say (or think).
 
Is there an incident which prompted this?
 
Well, that isn't completely fair. The CEO of LanSchool is nice and appreciative.
That's about it.
 
@Pawnguy7 Not one in particular.
 
I cannot quite picture what you are getting at.
I am pretty sure people don't like being lied to.
 
They don't like truth either
 
1:16 AM
What is the truth?
Is the truth, in this case, constructive criticism?
 
Good question.
What is non constructive criticism?
 
I am going to assume we are defining that as thought constructive by the criticizer.
So, I would say to... not sure of a good word here. Hurt people, I guess.
 
Criticism only hurts people that are not able to make it constructive. So I don't believe there's any sincere criticism that is not constructive.
 
@Jefffrey Wow. You suck.
 
@StackedCrooked not hurt :P
 
1:23 AM
(I was testing your point.)
 
And what was constructive about it?
 
@Pawnguy7 I kinda know I suck.
 
Ah.
I still feel I don't know what you have in mind.
 
Ok, so there's this group of friends I live with (literally, I see them everyday). They know I'm sincere in everything. If they have been doing something wrong I'll be the first to tell them if asked about it.
And after 8 years they don't mind and appreciate my input, to the point that anybody having any problem comes too me because "I'm sincere" (cit.)
Today I met this girl I kinda know. And I was being myself. Telling her everything I think. She would have killed me if she had the chance.
 
Is there a but coming?
Ah.
 
1:30 AM
I asked her to picture everything that was wrong with me. She told me 1 or 2 things that are obvious (something like that sometimes I'm the "one that thinks he can win any debate")
 
I am confused. Is it a he or she?
 
She.
And the other was that she thought I'm asexual because I didn't tried anything with her.
 
Hrm... so the problem is that, she took something the wrong way? Or just not accepting any criticism?
Interesting.
 
She took it completely in the wrong way. She tried to prove me wrong. She tried to mimic me to show me that I'm a smartass.
 
1:33 AM
To the point that my other friend kinda got embarrassed for her.
 
damn, Pacific Rim was kinda awesome
I wish I could afford to see that for real in a cinema
the lighting on the cam was pretty bad and for some of the action I had no idea wtf was going on
 
I told her that her "tries" where vain (sincerely) and that I would have happily stop arguing about that.
 
And she began with the "you are pussy" kind of thing.
@Pawnguy7 And at that point things got weird and she got brought home by the other friend.
 
@DeadMG You watched a cam rip?
You did know that it was one of those "'splosion fests", right?
 
1:36 AM
@Pawnguy7 And that's everything about it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yep.
 
@DeadMG Then why not wait for the blu-ray rip?
You kinda need the high resolution to fully enjoy the experience.
 
well, there's one critical word in that question which provides the answer
"wait"
I'd rather sub-enjoy an experience today and then fully enjoy it later if I choose than to wait and then fully enjoy iy
 
God, I hate to throw all my shitty problems to the Lounge.
 
Perhaps that particular point in time was not going so well for her? In such a way that you just happened to... this sounds odd, but trigger, a reaction.
 
1:39 AM
I'd rather pay $15 than watch a shitty cam rip.
 
I honestly don't really know what to say, that is why it took me so long :D
 
@Rapptz I'm guessing puppy doesn't have said 15$.
 
I feel the same thing happens to me in some forms often, though. I recall a teacher once. I made a suggestion I thought would improve interaction and thus, people would be willing to learn. They took it the wrong way, unfortunately.
 
@Pawnguy7 that sucks.
 
@DeadMG But wouldn't that spoil your enjoyment of it a bit?
 
1:41 AM
Cam rips are the worst.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Nope.
 
@Pawnguy7 I wasn't attacking you :P I know that most of the people don't care so I know I'm polluting the chat with bullshits.
 
@Rapptz Indeed.
Anyone who watch them have officially no taste.
And should therefore be banned forever from discussions about films.
wink wink
 
I remember watching a cam rip of Avatar and felt dirty at the end of it
 
Attacked? The thought never crossed my mind. I do care. If I didn't, I probably would have stopped 5 questions ago.
 
1:43 AM
@Pawnguy7 Yeah. But I don't wanna test you any more minute. Thanks for listening. :)
 
@StackedCrooked WTH how is AS the top one?
 
The data's dumb and off.
 
@Jefffrey Ok then.
On a somewhat related note, I would say that taking criticism and being humble is good - take my programming, for example. I suck. I am guessing about everybody here knows that. But I can learn how to be better from what they say.
 
@Rapptz I wouldn't watch cam rips if the studios would permit me to download them in a higher quality (and if I could afford to pay the inevitable price for such a service)
 
For example, I am moving away from my "three-star programming"
 
1:46 AM
Well, theatre prices are quite possibly a huge scam.
 
@Pawnguy7 everybody sucks. ;) but only few are willing to learn.
 
@Pawnguy7 You're exactly like me, though more ambitious with that kind of code.
 
It's like $15 on weekdays and $25 on weekends plus the $10 popcorn
 
But anyway, I have to wake up in 5 hours so I better go to sleep.
 
not worth the effort
 
1:46 AM
Night.
 
I used to write terrible, horrible code in my current eyes like 1 year ago.
 
Night.
 
Good night.
 
@Rapptz I can get theatre tickets a lot cheaper than that, but it's really about the hassle and the poor environment, other people's phones going off, train tickets and times, no dog, can't pause the film if you want to take a shit, etc.
 
@chris can you expand on what you mean by ambitious?
 
1:48 AM
@Pawnguy7 Your project is bigger and more advanced than anything I did.
 
it used to cost like $5 a few years ago. :(
 
also
I appear to have escaped stomachpocalypse as a punishment for eating birthday cake
I feel somewhat shittier but not really that bad.
 
I still suck at algorithms and CS and Math. I never actually looked that far ahead in Math.
 
I can live with the prices in the cinema
 
although I will undoubtedly still face it later this night
 
1:49 AM
I CANT STAND THE 3D
holy fuck
 
I sometimes feel I am not good at math - but I think the math I am struggling with at that time is something I hadn't encountered before, so perhaps it makes sense.
 
I only felt like I was bad at mathematics once in my life, but then I came to my senses.
 
@DeadMG go to mathoverflow, open a question, close the browser and cry in a corner in noobness
 
Or maybe I am confusing math with OpenGL.
Neither of the times I tried to understand the pipeline did it make sense.
 
@nightcracker That's inexperience, not badness.
I fully admit that I didn't choose a mathematics education
 
1:54 AM
@DeadMG I never said badness
 
and so it's perfectly possible that I would have failed at it.
 
@DeadMG I said noobness = new-bness = new = inexperienced
 
@nightcracker Which is utterly irrelevant to what everyone else is discussing, which was badness.
 
Speaking of mathematics. Anybody here taken... is it called discrete mathematics?
 
@Pawnguy7 It took me a couple rounds to get to grips with it too.
 
1:56 AM
It's like, required math for CS.
 
I don't know what is involved in discrete mathematics.
oh- integers, graphs and shit.
 
You didn't go to college?
 
diophantine equations and shit
 
yeah, practically everybody here should be able to handle that.
@Rapptz I went to university for all three years (just failed my third). I just never did anything under a label called "Discrete Mathematics" (and if I did, I would probably have completely ignored that label)
 
Hm. It's required in US and Canada. Wouldn't know about UK though.
 
1:58 AM
well, we did cover integers, sets, graphs, and shit like that. I'm looking at the list of topics on Wikipedia and it's all pretty familiar stuff.
it just wasn't called "Discrete Mathematics".
 
Ah I gotcha
 
Ours were called "mathématiques discrètes". No points if you can guess what that means.
 
=/
but i wantz pointz
 

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