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12:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes...
I can run my application from Terminal! :)
Now the following step is to read the arguments that I pass to terminal command, I guess.
 
they are passed to main, on Linux as (int count_of_args, /*const?*/char* array_of_args[])
 
Are muscular females sexy?
 
@BartekBanachewicz What function do I have to use for writing messages in terminal when my application runs? For example to see all arguments...
 
Stop flagging -_-
 
@Johnツ hm, that's easily google'able :)
 
12:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz You are right. :-) Thanks for your help!
 
@FredOverflow those are not muscular as much as... boobular
 
@BartekBanachewicz main was invented way before const.
 
@FredOverflow that's why I wasn't sure.
 
Making argv const would probably have been a breaking change.
 
@rubenvb ..suffering from a poor choice of lens.
 
12:09 PM
@Johnツ glad I could help. And oh, could you please use "reply to message" button at the end of the message you are replying to? (the last icon, arrow)
 
@MartinJames or that.
 
I don't like muscular females, and neither do I like overly muscular men
 
@rubenvb ..though I prefer 'boobular' - such a nice word.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok.
 
Fit women are sexy IMHO.
 
12:11 PM
@rubenvb you think this one is sexy? silkydesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/…
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb No. German fit women generally overdo it.
 
No offense intended, just a summary of my observations.
 
as long as her muscles aren't bigger than mine.... :D
 
I took up swimming.
Even paid for a year's worth.
 
12:13 PM
i'm doing badminton
 
4 km per week.
 
i guess i need to do swimming to prevent denial of service bugs caused by badminton
 
lolwut?
 
it gets on your knees with time, if you don't take care
 
ah. Injuries. Sports is healthy and all that crap.
 
12:16 PM
Oh, seems you guys invented another abuse for static.
Walking the path of C, aren't you?
 
does anyone of you read the Overload magazine?
 
never heard of it.
 
Xeo
> (Thanks to Xeo for proposing "static" to abuse for this).
@JohannesSchaub-litb: I didn't say that!
 
:D
 
Xeo
35 mins ago, by FredOverflow
@JohannesSchaub-litb How about static? ;)
'twas @FredO
 
12:24 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb Swimming is awesome, but also very expensive in Germany.
 
@FredOverflow Really? That sucks. It was dead cheap here (although I also get 50% discount because technically I'm still a student :P)
 
@rubenvb I pay about €5 for 60 minutes of swimming and 30 minutes of preparing and post-paring.
 
@Xeo oops
i am sorry. i will correct it
lol
 
oh god, I forgot just how good freshly made caramel is <drools>
 
@FredOverflow Hmm, for a year, it costs you €200 here. but a single swim is also €4. (non-student prices)
 
Xeo
12:27 PM
@FredOverflow "post-paring" - that's the first time I heard that.
 
@Xeo afterplay.
 
neither post-paring nor afterplay are common English words.
 
neither is nincompoop.
 
@Xeo corrected =)
 
12:39 PM
@rightfold Nah, they got which one is Ren and which one is Kyu confused half way through.
 
@Xeo I was going to say "prelude and postlude" instead, but I always forget the real word for postlude.
 
user142019
 
prologue and epilogue is the usual
 
swimming isn't meant to be that literary
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Not really?
 
user142019
12:47 PM
On the Internet I just found a picture of Satan licking Jesus' anus.
 
ITT: Zoidberg looks for ass-licking porn
 
user142019
That assumption is wrong.
 
Ell
Not sure where to write code docs
 
@FredOverflow hmm unless you have some lake around
iirc, frankfurt has one :)
 
user142019
@Ell at home.
 
Ell
12:49 PM
Heh.
 
but that's dangerous for unexperienced folks like me -.-
 
Ell
I think I will use github wiki
 
user142019
Use GitHub Pages.
 
Ell
What's the difference?
 
user142019
HTML
 
user142019
12:53 PM
Use Jekyll.
 
Ell
Jekyll? o.O
 
user142019
Eyjafjallajökull.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I don't like swimming in lakes. You can't see the boobies.
 
Ell
Jekyll is github pages :O
 
user142019
No, it's not, you fool.
 
user142019
12:56 PM
That's like saying that C++ is clang.
 
Ell
well you know what I meant
 
user142019
@FredOverflow You can see the underwater burials.
 
@FredOverflow be a proud man and pick a FKK lake
 
ITT, C++ lounge chat becomes even more weird than usual, I personally contribute it to the full moon
 
12:59 PM
@rubenvb So that I can press Ctrl+B and have it compile C++ code.
 
user142019
I figured I can use LLDB as a C++ REPL.
 
user142019
To some extent.
 
We had to drink water from the lake yesterday, then it rained heavily when we were camping last night
but it was hard to get the water from the lake
like one slip you are a goner
but there was no choice
either take the risk or no water
the water also tasted funny
there were sheep farms near by
we might be drinking from the same pond as the sheep
 
Ell
@rightfold that'd be cool
 
Just went for a 2h walk. Now my feet hurt, dammit.
 
1:05 PM
<3 join the hiker && hackers's club
 
user142019
Betere klompen kopen.
 
it was around a lake called blaremeersen
@rightfold my shoes are alright, just too much weight :P
 
user142019
Minder friet eten.
 
user142019
Vreetzak.
 
I guess. Of minder bier drinken.
 
user142019
1:06 PM
@StackedCrooked Dan hedde wel blaren op oewe poten zeker.
 
@rightfold lol
 
user142019
I launched our website yesterday
 
user142019
and I just noticed
 
user142019
clicking the logo doesn't take you to the damn homepage.
 
user142019
fcuk!
 
1:08 PM
@rightfold blasphemy!
 
user142019
Godverdomme.
 
When I first opened the tent, I smelled poo. At first I thought it was my shoes, then I felt some soft thing beneath the tent. So I moved the tent - it was built upon a pile of sheep poo!
 
@Borgleader then you just need my GCC 4.6+Clang 3.2 build, and point Sublime text to that. Newer combinations do not work.
the dutch and their klompen
 
user142019
Wooden shoes are nice.
 
user142019
But they make terrible noise when you walk.
 
user142019
1:11 PM
A guy at my previous job listened to this all day:
 
user142019
 
@rubenvb Ok thanks
 
@Borgleader you know where to find them?
 
This morning we were visited by a herd of sheep.
 
@rightfold God how annoying! Everybody knows you should listen to pink noise, not white noise!
Oh, and hi everybody.
 
1:14 PM
@rightfold Must be a nice job.
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked server admin.
 
Hello Jerry
 
@rubenvb Yes
 
OK.
Know though there will be little to no updates on my part for my MinGW-w64 builds.
 
Thats fine
 
1:16 PM
I might try to hack Clang 3.3 and libc++ together.
That would bring awesomeness to Windows. At least 32-bit.
 
Ell
I have a lot of tests to write and I don't even know how to write them :O
 
@Ell start with static_asserts, then with int main.
 
Ell
I'm using catch
 
Then grab a cup of coffee and watch a movie
 
Ell
1:20 PM
I mean, I don't know where to start with everything >.<
 
I should get back into Ambrosia.
 
user142019
@Ell Use D.
 
user142019
It has unittest blocks.
 
FTR, The end of rubenvb builds. Let it be known far and wide. Just use MinGW-builds instead.
Fuck my google is in German.
how did this happen.
there. Thankfully, I am not an idiot when it comes to western languages. I have Speichert my Sprache to Niederländisch
 
@rubenvb Thank you anyway for your work
 
1:29 PM
@AndyProwl you're welcome. I might not have had high download numbers, I had friendly users :D
 
@rubenvb If it weren't for you I wouldn't have had GCC 4.7.2 first and GCC 4.8.1 after working with thread support on windows
 
@AndyProwl No one would. I pushed it and built the first public toolchains with std::thread on Windows :P
The real coding effort was done by someone else though...
 
@rubenvb Yes, that's why I am very thankful
 
Now, to get Ambrosia back on track.
How to define an atom
and a rule
 
Ambrosia?
 
1:34 PM
@Borgleader Glad you asked: github.com/rubenvb/Ambrosia
 
Ell
Build system
ahh there you go
 
I'm at the advent of a near complete rewrite though.
I did "improve" my debug output.
 
@rubenvb Oh thats a neat idea :)
 
@Borgleader you can check the nectar.txt files in the whole tree, especially under example to see how it works. Last I checked, flac built with all dependencies.
Without ASM obviously. That's one of the reasons I need a rewrite. Remove the need for hard-coded tooling.
 
I'll take a look :)
 
1:49 PM
is winapi even worth learning anymore? :P
 
@moonbeamer2234 if you don't need it...avoid it
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I would have to shave my privates first.
 
2:04 PM
I think an insect just went through one of my tower's fans :/
I guess debugging...was successful!
 
maybe there are more than 1 bug around
 
oh man, cooked breakfast for dinner is soo tasty
 
@FredOverflow lol
 
2:22 PM
note to self (and others interested); never do a full system update (including massive changes to the filesystem) when you're high as fcuk..
 
2:33 PM
or sleepy as fuck
 
* as f*c*
 
wow, looking through old code stuffs... I have DX stuff still :O
 
:3
 
it's terrible terrible code
 
Xeo
@refp Note to you: Just don't get high.
 
2:40 PM
@Xeo but wha wha wha I want to be one of the cool kids
 
pacmacn -Syu after waiting half a year
will definitely kill your system :D
 
In UK, we're all cool.
 
flump
 
Xeo
3:00 PM
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Q: Why garbage collection when RAII is available?

Alok SaveI hear talks of C++14 introducing a garbage collector in the C++ standard library itself. What is the rationale behind this feature? Isn't this the reason that RAII exists in C++? How will the presence of standard library garbage collector affect the RAII semantic? How does it matte...

@LucDanton @R.MartinhoFernandes ^ Got something on ranges and lazy-evaluation for that question?
> There is no way in hell a collector could pass Committee, is my opinion.
Eh
 
@Xeo point taken.
@JohannesSchaub-litb I was doing london fashion week, got back (I was gone for about a month), didn't care to check the arch linux community news and just said "fcuk it, let's override this stupid error thingie" and it fcuked up my filesystem
 
lol i guess it was the /bin move
 
mhm
 
so you are a model?
 
.. and to top it off I don't have any other computer at this place, so I had to take the train to go to a friend to borrow his computer so that I could make a live USB and boot from that
 
3:11 PM
ah i remember now. you were the Guy on IRC couple of years ago...
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I guess I am, it's not what I introduce myself as though
from ##c++ @ freenode? yes, and yes.
how are you doing, litb?
 
i'm ill. got a cold -.-
 
that sucks, feel better soon!
 
gotta cook something to eat, speak to ya later!
 
3:17 PM
@thecoshman "terrible, terrible DX code" is redundant.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb You should end the coworker relationship by either getting him fired or quitting yourself.
 
@FredOverflow too bad I can't talk about it :) it's a sad story :)
 
@JerryCoffin the fact that it is DX has no bearing on the quality of the code
 
@thecoshman Unfortunately, that's not true at all. DX uses COM. "Terrible COM code" is also redundant.
 
3:24 PM
@FredOverflow that's quite the pulse jet :D
 
dammit, weekend's almost over
 
3:39 PM
@JerryCoffin I disagree. DX uses COM only in the most basic manner and only in a couple of places. Code that uses DX is not "COM code". (Also, when you consider that the alternative is OpenGL, DirectX code suddenly starts looking almost pretty)
 
@jalf I wish I could agree, but my experience indicates otherwise.
 
@JerryCoffin on which part of it?
 
@jalf Both.
 
Ell
I don't see why opengl api is bad o.O
 
I mean, it's pretty much a given that any widely used API is horribly ugly. That's true for DX and for pretty much anything else. But it takes a very special kind of person to compare the OpenGL API favorably to anything
 
3:43 PM
what about PHP's stdlib API? :P
 
On the first part, I'd say it's a pretty factual statement. The only part of COM you need to know anything about in order to work with D3D is IUnknown and QueryInterface. And at worst, you need to call the latter function. You never need to author COM components, and literally everything else in the D3D API is just exposed as plain C++ objects with plain member functions. That's not COM code in any way or shape
 
I hate google app engine's documentation
It sucks.
 
@DeadMG ohshit, that totally disproves my assertion that widely used APIs are ugly :P
You win this round
 
I was more referring to comparing the OGL API favourably to anything
 
@DeadMG oh
 
3:46 PM
I'm curious as to whether you think PHP API > OGL API
 
I think the result of that comparison has to be undefined :p
 
@jalf No, it just takes a particularly badly designed API to be worse than OpenGL. Unfortunately, DX qualifies almost without even trying.
 
but no, I'd have to say PHP is uglier
@JerryCoffin What's so badly designed about it?
 
@jalf The shorter list would be what's not badly designed about it. In fact, that's so short, I'm pretty sure it's empty.
 
@JerryCoffin so you can't think of an example?
 
3:50 PM
I suppose there might be some obscure bit somewhere that's actually decent, but if so, I've never run into it.
 
I always thought that the DX API really wasn't that bad on the whole.
I mean, it had rough parts as does any other API, but I thought it wasn't bad.
 
Ell
I don't think gl is so bad
it's not so bad you can't wrap it into something nice
 
@jalf I can think of hundreds of examples. Look through any of Microsoft's example code. It starts with literally hundreds of lines just to get to the point that you can draw, and goes downhill from there.
 
@DeadMG It isn't. There's a reason why so many devs have abandoned OpenGL for it over the last 15 years
 
@JerryCoffin Their example code is always far worse than you could do yourself.
 
Ell
3:52 PM
Can we not go into gl vs dx again? :'(
 
@JerryCoffin that's a pretty weak argument. Setting up modern OpenGL for rendering requires at least as much code, especially on Windows
 
user142019
Google Analytics is pretty sick.
 
@jalf There's a reason, but it has nothing to do with the API being cleaner -- it mostly has to do with the fact that for much of that time, you could get substantially better performance via DX.
 
@JerryCoffin No
For most of that time, DX was a bitch to get good performance out of because draw calls were horrifically expensive until DX10
But it was a nicer API and it had decent tool support and it was kept up to date with GPU advancements
 
user868935
IM BAAAAACK!!!
 
3:53 PM
@jalf No, it doesn't. Sorry, but I've done both, and doing the setup in OpenGL is literally about one tenth as much code as with DX.
 
@JerryCoffin Funny, I've done so too
And I've seen little that as horrific as the way you create a modern OpenGL context (3.0 or newer) on Windows
You have to create a context just to query for whether a newer version is supported and then ask for a different context!
 
obviously, you guys should actually compare samples, since I doubt a result can be achieved by simply comparing anecdotes
 
If you really want to prove me wrong, feel free to write both up for us to compare
But yeah, MSDN's samples are always shitty and verbose
Anyway, I'm gonna go make some dinner :)
@Borgleader NOT TRUE!
The internet cares about everything
 
@jalf The internet is everything.
 
@jalf Cheap arguing trick of the day: assume you're right until/unless somebody else is willing to spend hours writing horrible, horrible DX code just to show how wrong you are (at which point, you simply ignore reality, claim it doesn't have to be that bad, and act like you won the argument anyway). Thanks, but I'll pass. I've already pointed to the MS examples. If you can honestly show how to do a lot better (without throwing away functionality) feel free to do so.
 
user142019
4:33 PM
I find both OpenGL and DirectX equally terrible.
6
 
user142019
@DeadMG I'm curious as to whether you think pizza > boat
 
@rightfold All standards are terrible thats why there are so many of them.
They all try to be better than the last one and fail
 
old
and it was bad then
 
Morning.
 
Morning
 
4:40 PM
that's quite enough
 
user142019
Puppy is grumpy.
 
GNU GPL vs MIT
 
random interjection was random
 
user142019
@Borgleader All random things are random.
 
noobs are noobological
 
4:44 PM
by definition
 
I want burgers, nobody sells burgers.
 
loads of people sell burgers, they're just not doing so in your immediate vicinity
 
I mean online.
 
user142019
Become a burglar and acquire a burger.
 
A fire broke out at my university. No one was hurt, but it looks like they're going to post-pone things. Yay! :D
 
Ell
4:52 PM
Hi guys
 
@rightfold: You were right, Python 3 fixes a lot of the crap in Python 2
 
Who would've guessed.
 
Ell
Is anyone good with LaTeX here?
 
How lame would it have been if Python 3 broke a lot of crap from Python 2
 
i like latex
But using it on computer (offline) is very challenging, I haven't gained the ability to use it in the offline softwre yet
Ell do you want to learn latex or what
@Ell
 
Ell
4:55 PM
I'm writing a document with it
and trying to write a table where the width doesn't spill over the sides of the width of the paragraphs
 
@CatPlusPlus Amazing.
 
Ell
@Raindrop I'm reading now :P
 
@Ell Just use Word.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus No.
 
4:58 PM
Or that LibreOffice equivalent I guess.
Tables in LaTeX are a fucking nightmare.
You will give up, sooner or later.
 
I'd give up trying to make tables work.
 

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