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12:00 AM
@Xeo G'night.
 
@Xeo night
 
@Griwes So much :tinfoil:
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, I'll definitely track down the perpetrator, and then if they won't/can't fix it, I'll forward it to management
 
> budget cats
 
12:02 AM
@MooingDuck Thank god for that. Even if it's in software I'll never see or use, crap like that makes me cringe!
 
> We know the Earth couldn't tilt like this in reality — the atmosphere would "spill" into space and water would obscure whole continents on the lower edge.
Whenever I think I've seen the stupidest thing on Earth, Internet proves me wrong.
 
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh come on. It's hard to believe that even you could be so thoroughly devoid of humor that this didn't make you smile, at least a little.
 
Oh I'm laughing.
 
@CatPlusPlus Okay. I'm relieved to hear it.
I think of the flat-earthers as a slightly more focused version of The Annals of Improbable Research.
 
12:29 AM
> File streams - <boost/filesystem/fstream.hpp>
I guess that's one more documented header!
 
Oh right.
For fstream support!
 
I'm pleased to find that it also provides a basic_filebuf.
 
filesystem possibly making it to the standard is pretty cool.
 
I have an unidentified insect in the room
IT'S LURKING SOMEWHERE
 
12:44 AM
@CatPlusPlus Unless you have an amazingly sterile room, there are probably at least a few hundred.
 
no stop I want to sleep tonight
 
Guys could someone make a suggestion. Ive learned a lot about various C++ GUI's, Networking, Graphics Libraries and im ready to move on to the application stage of things but I really don't know where to start..where can I find some open source projects that are in development? Is there a site for those kinds of things because I don't have a degree so getting a job is out of the question pretty much :|
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Sourceforge and GitHub host many open source programs.
 
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@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette github.com
 
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1:00 AM
Also you can get a job without a degree.
 
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I did that too.
 
rightfold how do I build up a resume?
well experience*
 
Be good, don't be bad.
 
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Well, you make a list of where you have studied and worked and what your responsibilities were and you put your contact details on top.
 
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Also you cannot get a job if you're a terrible programmer. In that case you do need a degree.
 
1:03 AM
@rightfold Ive literally just been teaching myself from books and official tutorials.
 
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We all did.
 
@rightfold what do you mean?
 
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As well as toying around with software.
 
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Jun 16 at 16:42, by Cat Plus Plus
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: http://i.imgur.com/5zrvaV1.gif [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
Cheap games on GOG, go buy them.
 
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1:05 AM
I went to a barbecue today. It was fun.
 
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And I converted somebody to Vimism. >:3
 
Oh gosh, why is there COBOL in the starboard.
5
Oh gosh, why did I recognise COBOL in the starboard.
 
https://www.facebook.com/leagueoflegends/posts/10152940013395556
So many LoL puns
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Now there is COBOL in the starboard.
 
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@Borgleader lol
 
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1:07 AM
(Dat pun.)
 
Read the comments there a plenty more
 
@ThePhD I like how you put "reflection" as a feature of a reflection system.
 
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Genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration, and 0% reading internet comments.
 
"I can´t take this Annie more!", "Guys, your bad puns are Draven me crazy." :P And a Zilean more of those where they came from :P
 
@rightfold so what can I do to prove to an employer during the application process that im a good programmer? And Im positive nobody would hire a minor at least. So in the meantime what should I be doing to improve my programming skills and making myself reputable? And if I cant get a job how am I supposed to make connections when it comes to programming?
 
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1:09 AM
I have no idea.
 
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I have never done an interview.
 
He's too awesome for interviews
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette He's still in school I think.
 
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A guy just told me he wanted me because he knew I was a reasonable programmer.
 
1:09 AM
"SGI STL rope is really nice, it should be included in next STL". Ambiguity?
 
E_____________E
 
I've done three interviews, got three jobs, so I guess I don't have much experience with that.
 
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Doing interviews is so mainstream, and I am so hipster.
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Getting a shit-ton or rep on SO goes a long way. I know too many of us who got jobs like that. (myself included)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm, ok, I'll indulge you and have a look at it.
 
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1:12 AM
@Mysticial Yes. :(
 
aaah
another game of Doomed Earth, another game won by starting an AI revolution to counter the invasion from Hell
 
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hi pups what's up
 
fa
@ThePhD: here? else I'm knocking off to bed in the next -10 seconds
 
lmao I wish I would have started programming when I was like 13
although 4 years ago I was rubbing people's faces across a brick wall...so it probably wouldn't have appealed to me at the time .____.
 
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I wonder what happens when you don't use your bank account for a hundred years.
 
1:15 AM
You die.
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette You can still do that on SO. Someone posts a wrong answer, you rub their face across a brick wall. :) - Not that I recommend it, but people seem to do it anyway. :)
 
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You don't have to.
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Showing that you can be careful (bordering on fastidious) about grammar and spelling seems to impress quite a few of them.
 
Shit happens.
 
@JerryCoffine "Them", as in employers? And haha programming has messed with my grammar a bit admittedly.
 
1:17 AM
@milleniumbug Any use of "STL" relative to C++ is ambiguous. stackoverflow.com/a/5205755/179910
 
Whom care the hell grammar about?
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Don't let it. On this point, Dijkstra was right: "Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer."
@rightfold It gets closed long before that. Most close after around 3 to 5 years without any transactions.
 
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Meh.
 
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So you lose your money? :v
 
@JerryCoffin So term STL shouldn't be used (except in casual conversations).
 
1:20 AM
They'd probably notify you first, at which point you can tell them you're still using it.
 
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litb sings the C++ Standard Lullaby to his son before he goes to sleep.
 
@rightfold I believe (most, anyway) try to contact you to let you know what's going on first.
 
@JerryCoffin I must be particularly ignorant to what programming really means. I really haven't used any mathematics in programming above 9th grade algebra. Also, how does good grammar affect programming in any way? Perhaps I'm reading that quote too literally?
 
If you don't learn to type, we'll laugh at you.
 
@milleniumbug As noted in that answer, there's a little problem: it's ambiguous, but there's also no good alternative.
 
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1:21 AM
@JerryCoffin Ah, I see.
 
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Because just closing it an having you lose your money is wtf. :v
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Meh, I realised some time ago that you don't program to program. You program to solve some problem. And you need knowledge from domain you're programming in.
 
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Write a script that transfers one cent to yourself each month. :D
 
@rightfold There's actually a pretty large sum of money going around where the original account holder could not be traced.
I can't remember what the figure is, but it's non-trivially large.
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette So if your domain requires math, you probably need some knowledge in math.
 
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1:23 AM
@DeadMG They could, you know, give all that money to me.
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Most programming has more to do with communication than computers. Writing code the compiler will understand is relatively easy. Ensuring the customer for the code understands what you're going to do first is 1) much more important, and 2) generally more difficult.
 
erm, indirectly, they usually do.
 
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I mean really all of it.
 
AFAIK at least in the UK, once it meets a certain requirement of "No, really guys, we really tried to track this guy down", it goes straight to the government
 
@JerryCoffin And that's unfortunate :(
 
1:24 AM
@milleniumbug If your domain requires meteorology knowledge you probably need some knowledge in meteorology.
 
kinda like a laziness tax
@R.MartinhoFernandes meteorological not meterologic
 
@JerryCoffin That makes a lot of sense. I was reading it too literally because when you said that I assumed you were talking about writing the actual code. Communication is more important than the technical aspects of most jobs from what I've been told and witnessed.
 
Both are important.
 
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Our Solemn Hour is a nice song.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm Captain Obvious and I know it.
 
1:27 AM
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette There's more to it than that though. Even when you're not talking to a customer, clear expression is vital just to your own understanding of the problem. Once you get past the basics of the target programming language, it's generally much more difficult to figure out what you want to do, than to write code to do that once you've decided.
 
welp
time to attempt sleep
 
@DeadMG G'night.
 
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My pillow has an American flag on it.
 
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@DeadMG G'luck.
 
Too hot for sleep.
 
1:28 AM
@rightfold My condolences.
 
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Time to watch all Mr. Bean episodes.
 
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:>
 
@CatPlusPlus If she's that hot, you can find better things to do with her than sleep anyway.
 
Don't make me post more COBOL.
 
So, std::ostringstream for getting a string for the hex representation of some integer? No std::to_string niceness available?
 
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1:30 AM
IDENTIFICATION DIVISOIN.
 
Fuck it it'll be decimal.
 
@LucDanton Not to my knowledge, no.
@LucDanton Good call.
 
Oh God. What a fucking movie.
Has any one watched "The experiment"?
The remake of 2010?
 
1:33 AM
@Jeffrey It was -- for its day.
 
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I love the part where Bean locks his car with a padlock and then throws the keys into the car through the window.
 
@JerryCoffin 'Expected <some checksum>, got <more checksum>' is barely of use anyway.
 
Well, if you want to lose all hopes in human kind, go watch it. It's a about a psicological experiment that has really been done.
 
@LucDanton I'd guess "checksum didn't match" is probably about as useful.
 
@LucDanton I.. do that :(
 
1:34 AM
@JerryCoffin lol
 
@Rapptz Well I did throw it in because it's 'free', but I'm not spending more time making it look nice.
 
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This is so fucking hilarious.
 
@Jeffrey Best line: (George Burn as God is taken to court, and being sworn in): "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me me!"
 
I opened up editor full of will to code, and now it's gone.
 
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I have that too sometimes.
 
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1:40 AM
Watch a movie instead.
 
@CatPlusPlus The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak The Vodka is good, but the meat is spoiled.
 
I should probably create a YouTube account.
 
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Just use your Google account.
 
Working at google but you don't even have an account?
 
WTF?
 
1:43 AM
@Rapptz It must be related!
 
My department needs to give me moderator/admin/developer access on YouTube. But I don't have an account.
 
@Mysticial I can provide you with one if you want.
I'm eager to help.
 
You don't have a gmail?
@LucDanton lol
 
@Rapptz Not just at Google, but specifically on YouTube --- and doesn't have an account.
 
I think it's supposed to be like SE.
You become employee, you automatically get moderator/admin/dev access.
 
1:45 AM
@Mysticial You work on Youtube?
 
YouTube doesn't have accounts anymore. Only Google accounts.
They made me switch my old YouTube account to my Google one.
 
Hmm...
lemme try logging in to my corporate google account and see if YouTube looks any different.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay time to write an actual iterator_source or whatever. I'll copypasta most of source/interval anyway.
What could go wrong!
 
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@Mysticial inb4 grayscale
 
@LucDanton That's the spirit! Oh, and um...let me stand well back while you do that.
 
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1:48 AM
Because software development is boring and colorless!
 
I get the new user popup.
 
@rightfold Even on a mainframe it wasn't colorless -- we had green on black!
 
And I get a bar saying that this account is "managed by google.com". Maybe my boss already got me dev access.
or not...
 
@DeadMG At home, can reproduce wide errors.
Let me know when.
 
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@Mysticial try banning somebody.
 
1:53 AM
I don't see any extra moderator buttons.
So maybe not.
 
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Try Konami code.
 
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It probably enables them.
 
Seems like I already activated my YouTube account from my gmail some time ago.
I just never used it, since I'm just a reader. I never upload or comment.
 
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That probably automatically happened.
 
And I just created an account using my corporate google mail account.
 
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1:54 AM
When I made my rightfold@gmail.com account I was automatically logged into YouTube using that account.
 
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It's no longer a separate thing.
 
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I even see the Google+ notification count next to my avatar on YouTube.
 
I don't see the G+ icon. I just see "mysticial@google.com".
oh nvm... I see the g+ icon.
I can leave comments and vote up/down. But I can't see any options to delete comments or ban users.
Nor do I see any dev tools.
But I remember my boss saying that they are hidden away on some obscure url that's only accessible from either a corporate account or from a corporate ip address.
 
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Damn. It just needs the tiniest bit of photoshopping, and I don't have Ps on this machine!
 
2:05 AM
too late
 
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@JerryCoffin Use web inspector to modify HTML.
 
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Right click and choose "Inspect element".
 
@rightfold Nah -- if I touch HTML, I'll probably get my hands all gooky, and I really need to eat soon.
 
Oh and my boss got me an xbox and a 60in. TV since I'll be trying to get YT to work on the xbox.
 
@Mysticial Do you get to keep the TV when you make it work? :-)
 
2:08 AM
@JerryCoffin no :(
 
Holy shit does Wide take a long time to compile. ._.
 
2 days ago, by Tony The Lion
Good at performance related problems -> Gets job watching YT Adult videos
^^ On 60 in. TV.
 
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60" ಠ_ಠ
 
@Mysticial Man, you hear it's a great company to work for, but then you find out your reward for success is getting your TV taken away. What kind of monsters are these?
 
I sensed that I implemented something wrong and as it turns out I was lacking some tests for that feature. So I added some but they all pass. Now I'm even more convinced something is wrong.
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2:11 AM
Well, I'm hungry -- gotta go find some supper. Catch y'all later.
 
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@LucDanton Since I use D, I miss built-in unit test support in other languages. :'(
 
God fucking damnit
Fuck Wide
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They make it easier to write tests so I write them practically immediately. No need to download and set up Catch.
 
@Mysticial Xbox One?
 
> error| 'random_iterator_tag' is not a member of 'std'
 
2:17 AM
@Rapptz Xbox 360. But I doubt it'll work on 360 and completely break on One.
Apparently, I need to learn C# now.
 
Uh the Xbox One has a different arch
If that matters
 
From what I can tell so far, I might be doing GUI stuff with the developer API.
And that's all in C#.
 
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@Mysticial Quite easy.
 
So I'm not entirely sure why they put me in that position. Maybe later on when it comes time to optimize...
 
I would have imagined C++ w/ DirectX.
 
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2:19 AM
@Mysticial Ask them!
 
Or maybe they're just after the high-level stuff.
 
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Maybe you need to use π for the graphics!
 
Instead of my micro-optimization stuff, they probably wanted me to tell them how to avoid fucking up the cache.
 
Maybe memory optimisation since the Xbox 360 only has 216 Mb of RAM. :D
 
maybe...
 
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2:21 AM
Wat.
 
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Only 216 megabits of RAM? :v
 
Oh nvm, it's 512.
 
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I suppose you mean video RAM? :v
 
GDDR3 RAM.
 
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What about main RAM?
 
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2:23 AM
Oh, only GDDR3.
 
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That's weird. I imagined PS3 and Xbox 360 had like, you know, 8 GB of RAM. :v
 
Nope.
 
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Why are they doing this to game developers! Those sadists!
 
It's pretty old.
 
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My ass had more RAM the day those consoles were released.
 
2:25 AM
9 yrs ago, your ass was in a diaper :P
 
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More like fifteen years ago. :v
 
tomaeto tomahto
 
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And not just diapers, only Pampers!
 
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Apparently I didn't want anything else.
 
I also wonder why I put 216 instead of what I meant (256)
 
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2:27 AM
I want to write software.
 
http://ideone.com/Y6oR88
If I post this code and ask why it doen't compile under gcc but does under msvc, will i get shot down?
 
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Because of stupid language extensions intended to make your code work only with MSVC.
 
Yes I know, the robot mentioned that, he just didn't say which part of the template was ill formed
 
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GCC does!
 
@Borgleader psychic debugger says: two phase template lookup. Now I'll look at the code
 
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2:39 AM
Homotopy Type Theory is typeset so beautifully. :v
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, its the two phase lookup (mr.robot mentioned that) I just don't understand the output from gcc
 
YES! PSYCHIC DEBUGGER WIN!
"prog.cpp:102:15: error: specialization of ‘Z<Y>’ after instantiation" is pretty baffling
because that line doesn't specialize or instantiate or anything
 
I think I have a kernel bug. Guys im scared. .___.
 
Hahahaha.
Sucks to be you. :D
 
I think my computer just ruptured the space time continuum.
 
2:49 AM
@Borgleader CRTP reflection? What is this?
 
Yeah I was doing some research into reflection in C++
 
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> Born on 1995
 
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Facebook, I am disappoint.
 
huh?
 
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> on 1995
 
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2:52 AM
> on
 
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> ON
 
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No, not oh but on.
 
Oh I get it
 
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Oh.
 
2:53 AM
....What are dll's for? I heard you can mess with your computer by accessing the kernel.dll somehow o.O
 
In, I get it.
 
It's not incorrect. I don't think so.
 
@Rapptz I think it is
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette You heard it wrong. The computer messes with you if you access kernel.dll somehow.
 
Would you say "Born in Christmas" or "Born on Christmas"
 
2:55 AM
@Borgleader btw, void AccessParent(int C::*) can't work with P directly because P is void.
 
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I can mess with kernel.dll all I want on my computer but nothing will happen.
 
and int void::* doesn't compile.
 
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Since I run only OS X and Gentoo. :D :D :D
 
But what are dlls for? On CB:: there is an option to make Dynamic Link Libraries I still don't understand what theyre needed?
 
@Borgleader waaiiiit, I see... this compiled under MSVC????
 
2:57 AM
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette Hmm... Do you know what are libraries?
 
@MooingDuck Yes, MSVC 2012
 
@Borgleader "no matching function for call to ‘Z<X, Y>::Add(float Y::*, std::string)’" makes sense to me
 
@JesseTylerThompsonUmoette There are statically linked libraries, and dynamically linked ones.
 
whats the difference
 
2:58 AM
and "template<typename C> void AccessParent(...)" can only be called if you explicitly tell it the type of C. Like: c.AccessParent<int>(stuff);
so that should not compile.
 
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Dynamically linked libraries allow you to update the libraries without updating all the programs that depend on them, and they only have to be loaded into memory once even if multiple programs use them, making them more efficient memory-wise.
 
unless...
 

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