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9:00 PM
@DeadMG for the record, most C++ compilers aren't standard conforming. — Earlz May 24 '11 at 16:48
TIL
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's a complicated question.
 
I wonder why I'm reading old questions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because then we might have a clue why Zoid doesn't like exceptions.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Prefer EUNAVAIL over FeatureNotLoadedException("Humor")
 
@EtiennedeMartel Because he thinks of himself as being exceptional. He wants to be the only one!
 
9:01 PM
@EtiennedeMartel You don't have to cure people :)
 
user142019
@sehe throw FeatureNotLoadedException("Exceptions") :|
 
@Zoidberg implicitely triggers StackOverflowException
 
user142019
Stack overflow should be UB.
 
@sehe what. I didn't get that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Basically you always use some kind of error monad for error handling. You never thread the errors along the call stack by hand; the monad encapsulates that logic.
 
9:02 PM
throw :(;
 
@sehe As an arrogant jackass, I feel like I have to do it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ...
 
Anyway, real men switch on errno.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wait. You were trying to act like an arrogant jackass? I'm afraid you need a lot more coke and pepper first
 
@sehe I played SC2 with the Prawn again today. That might be the cause.
 
user142019
9:02 PM
I like errno.
 
@sehe I'm not very good.
 
I wanted to say that!
 
Has anyone seen @sbi around?
 
1 or 2 days ago, methinks
 
Also, my right side is getting paralyzed
 
9:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes not recently
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've seen him retweet some stuff earlier. But I haven't seen him on the Lounge today.
 
first it was my right foot
 
@EtiennedeMartel errno ?
 
now I can't feel my right hand
 
I think I haven't talked to him at all since Tony was here.
 
9:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz stranger wank
 
Probably the left side of my brain is dying
 
@BartekBanachewicz Mmm. Maybe get some fresh air and move a little. This isn't normal
 
@thecoshman i am serious :<
 
@BartekBanachewicz is your foot back to normal, though?
 
@sehe it depends. Sometimes it's better, sometimes worse. For about 3 weeks now
@sehe time :<
 
@BartekBanachewicz so am I! fap now before the feeling comes back
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wut. See a doctor. It could be benevolent, but it could be things like trombosis. These things you want to notice before it gets out of hand
@FredOverflow Yeah, was linked before.
 
@FredOverflow didn't you link that yesterday?
 
@MooingDuck I hope not, because I don't remember doing so.
 
20 hours ago, by Rapptz
http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/why-code-in-c-anymore/240149452
 
9:08 PM
It was me.
It's been 20 hours already?
I'm getting old man.
 
@marcgravell we forgive you because of your wife.
^ bwahahahahaha
 
> I get the impression that most of the people who like C++ are people who have been writing in it for 10+ years. The language has driven them insane. lol
 
@sehe benevolent? trombosis? Wut?
 
Ell
Meh. I want some facebook support from you guys but I don't want to give away my identity :'(
 
9:10 PM
@Ell What is "facebook support"?
 
@Ell ¬_¬ I think you got lost on the way in
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wait. Is your dictionary paralyzed too? Maybe, get a break, and then some rest :) oh, sorry for misspelling
 
Ell
@FredOverflow I'm part of a company selling candle holders for a young enterprise competition and we need social media :p
 
@sehe I don't think benevolent is the best choice of words, and is it not thrombosis?
 
Thrombosis (Greek: θρόμβωσις) is the formation of a blood clot (thrombus; Greek: θρόμβος) inside a blood vessel, obstructing the flow of blood through the circulatory system. When a blood vessel is injured, the body uses platelets (thrombocytes) and fibrin to form a blood clot to prevent blood loss. Even when a blood vessel is not injured, blood clots may form in the body under certain conditions. A clot that breaks free and begins to travel around the body is known as an embolus. When a thrombus occupies more than 75% of cross-sectional area of the lumen of an artery, blood flow to the ...
 
9:12 PM
proggit hates C++
 
@sehe I'll take that as a win for me :D
 
@sehe uh...
 
That Chris Becke dude is... well.
I don't really know how to say it.
 
@sehe that seems bad
 
9:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Just saying. I know a guy that nearly got killed by Thrombosis in one of his main arteries. Which is why I mention it: if you have symptoms for 2 weeks, see a doctor.
@EtiennedeMartel remember: More coke and pepper
 
@sehe like I have time for that. Or resting.
 
@sehe What does that mean, actually?
 
@BartekBanachewicz you'll have plenty of time for resting if you die from some stupid shit
 
@BartekBanachewicz well. it's your option. Pick your priorities
13 mins ago, by sehe
@EtiennedeMartel Wait. You were trying to act like an arrogant jackass? I'm afraid you need a lot more coke and pepper first
(the suggestion is up the nose and in the butt)
 
Do you people align your assignments
 
9:16 PM
No. Just the periods. SCNR
 
@Cicada what you mean?
 
this won't end well
someVar      = 2
someOtherVar = 3
like this
 
were you using tabs for that earlier?
 
user142019
Never.
 
only if I have a load of them in one block, but that's not often
 
9:17 PM
or markdown failure
 
markdown failure
 
and no I don't do that
 
@Cicada Don't change your avatar.
 
generally, no I don;t
 
too time consuming albeit it looks nice
 
9:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that was so last hour
 
@BartekBanachewicz why not
 
Yea, but I've changed my mind
@Cicada if you don't feel like it, dont
 
well thanks for the authorization
i guess
 
i'll still change it
 
9:19 PM
I should just..
 
to some hunky male
 
Gah, you're catching up on my reputation way too quickly! — sftrabbit 7 mins ago
 
@Cicada not too muscle though, don't want to make us feel bad
 
@Cicada ok.
 
lol
both gave almost the same exact answer at the same time
 
9:21 PM
dammit. I meant to shout "adk" minutes ago, however it was too quick and got throttled. Well:
nlafk
 
@Cicada but if you fill fannying around with alignment makes your code easier for you to read, go for it
 
@Cicada awwww
 
and off we go
 
user142019
Geef me een kipKoЯn.
 
@thecoshman i'm compulsive obsessional i guess
 
9:23 PM
I am out of here.
 
I like the salad lady.
 
@Cicada Yeah, I sometimes do align those. Only when it actually makes things more readable. So, in practice, only when the left or right sides contain a lot of similarity and you want to see at a glance where the deviations are
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes salad lady is no more
 
where can I find that cppgm skeleton code?
 
@BartekBanachewicz See you
 
9:23 PM
I looked through assignment #1 but didn't see it
 
In his grave
 
@Cicada thanks
 
@DeadMG There's a git repo.
 
@BartekBanachewicz u liek mah new pic boi?
 
@Cicada then align them with the Nth digit of pi spaces, where N is the cubed root of the Xth factorial where X is the number of characters in the variable name
 
9:24 PM
git://git.cppgm.org/pa1.git
 
user1182183
maybe diz's a good question ; p
 
@sehe well, here it's plenty of module imports on top of a nodejs file. not really critical to see the deviations
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I found something on GitHub but it's empty
 
user142019
int HexCharToValue(int c)
{
	switch (c)
	{
	case '0': return 0;
	case '1': return 1;
	case '2': return 2;
 
It's not on GitHub. (git://git.cppgm.org/pa1.git)
 
user142019
9:25 PM
Oh God my eyeballs.
 
@Zoidberg Just ignore it. Look at the generated assembly. Is the code legible? Is it error prone?
 
user142019
It's four bad things at once.
 
Ell
what's up with that?
 
user1182183
@Zoidberg lol where the hell did u find that?
 
user142019
int for characters, giant switch instead of a much shorter alternative, { on newline and worst of all: TABS.
 
9:26 PM
@Zoidberg The only thing that half makes me worry about quality is 'c' is int
 
user142019
@GamErix the sample code puppy asked for.
 
@GamErix The C++ grandmaster thing.
 
@Zoidberg TABS FOR INDENTATION. <33
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh serious?
 
@Zoidberg Welcome to 2012 though: std::toupper(int) for a reason
 
9:26 PM
C++ grandmaster? Haven't heard that since the days I played chess.
 
user1182183
@ThePhD not again..
 
@Rapptz Yeah.
 
wow that's horrible
 
@Zoidberg Also int can fit all of UTF32.
 
@ThePhD except "all of UTF32" doesn't actually mean much
 
9:27 PM
@ThePhD No one cares: the input is an hexit.
 
user142019
It's the wrong type for a code point.
 
user142019
Strong typing people.
 
Strong typing how, though?
 
user142019
Oh why do we even have structs we can put everything in a STRING.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And thus I discover that I don't actually have git.
4
 
9:28 PM
typedef uint32_t charutf32 ?
 
user142019
This is C++, not Perl
 
@ThePhD Buy a mechanical keyboard, increase the friction
 
@DeadMG pat pat
 
@DeadMG I thought your account was just unverified?
 
user142019
9:28 PM
Use a code point type for code points, not int.
 
GitHub != git
 
oh my, monstrous dinner :O
 
@ThePhD That's GitHub.
 
@sehe And get those fake nails so I can go CLAKITY CLAKITY CLAK?
 
@DeadMG wow
 
9:28 PM
@DeadMG Ooh. :c
 
user142019
int can be negative, for example. This is wrong.
 
@sehe Why would I have git? I use Hg.
 
user142019
And it's not descriptive at all.
 
@DeadMG +1
 
@ThePhD The compiler only works UTF-8 anyway.
 
9:28 PM
@ThePhD fake nails and strong typing calls for ergonomic hazards
 
GitHub is only free for open-source correct?
 
I guess I'll need to invent stronger nail-glue.
 
user142019
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes True... =[
 
user142019
No need to install Git, just use HTTP and a web browser.
 
9:30 PM
@DeadMG I'm not saying. I'm saying "wow". Mainly about you only just finding out. And in what way :) And yes, as a serious programmer who frequents this lounge and participates (?) with the standards committee/workgroups, I very much expect you to have git at your command
 
Ah
So they specifically require unicode support.
 
I guess UTF8 it is. No sense in using anything else, except maybe UTF32.
 
@ThePhD The standard does
@ThePhD It's specified
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They specify all input codepoints to go from 0 to 0x10FFFFF
 
Ell
9:31 PM
Hmm. Who was it that gave me a free Dota 2.
 
@ThePhD Wut.
What the fuck are you even talking about.
 
user142019
Something with code points.
 
@Zoidberg Oh boy, my eyes are bleeding.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The cpp Grandmaster thingymahdoodle
 
@DeadMG I looked at that a while back, but didn't even bother reporting.
 
user142019
9:31 PM
C++ Grandnoob.
 
user142019
Code point type should error on assigning invalid value. :3
 
Um. Okay. :c
 
Do any of you have trouble finishing projects?
 
user142019
@user190929 inb4 everybody mentions me.
 
9:33 PM
So yeah, that cpp grandmaster thing looks kind of... terribru.
@user190929 See @Zoidberg
 
@sehe I don't
 
user142019
:3
 
Also see the rest of us.
 
@user190929 Yes. It takes time.
 
RIP, Kyrostat. ;~;
 
9:34 PM
C++ grandnoob here
 
@Zoidberg What's an invalid value?
 
reportin' for duty
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes aren't there invalid ranges?
 
@MooingDuck Wokay
 
@ThePhD just because you have stopped work on it
 
user142019
9:34 PM
Those that are always erronous.
 
@thecoshman Hey, I'm still trying. :C
 
user142019
Or is that for code units. :L
 
@ThePhD They require your compiler to accept source in UTF-8. The C++ standard requires supporting the entire Unicode space.
 
@ThePhD then why declare RIP?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes takes some time to, for lack of a better word, "learn" to finish projects?
 
9:35 PM
@thecoshman I meant moreso the Lounge has mostly declared it dead.
 
@user190929 No, it takes time to actually finish them.
 
And/or mostly jumped ship.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz was it you who gave me dota 2? :3
 
@ThePhD oooh, then it must be dead
 
@Ell I have four copies to give away if anyone wants them
 
9:36 PM
@thecoshman Well, no, but... Blah, I've trapped myself with my own words. :c
 
I'll take three.
 
I have like 19
 
I'm talking with someone who seems to think it's a good idea to inherit from two similar but distinct classes to get a 'combined' functionality (or something like that...). I don't even know where to start on that... Does anyone have some link (perhaps with examples) explaining why that's often a bad idea... ?
 
If anyone wants some.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck How do you all get so many free copies :3
@Rapptz r u srs!?
I just want one :3
 
9:36 PM
GabeN loves giving me his left overs
Yes
 
@JohanLundberg Erm, why is it a bad idea?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes stop stealing
 
I got a few Dota2 invites leftover...
 
example seems to be two different classes with several methods having the same names
and their own data
 
@JohanLundberg If B inherits from A, it means B is a A.
If that's not the case, prefer composition instead.
 
9:38 PM
@Zoidberg What does "invalid" mean? There are noncharacters, there are unassigned code points, and there are code points that must not be interpreted as characters.
 
@Ell they just show up in my messages every few months, and I was the last of my friends to get it, so...
 
You can't pick one definition of "invalid" that makes everyone happy.
 
Ah. I see. Anyway, I seem to have the "unfinished project" issue. You know, always giving up and stuff. I assume to be... well, it would obviously be good to be able to finish projects... how did any of YOU improve in this area?
 
@ThePhD but I am planning to spend my four day weekend on making some progress at long last
 
@thecoshman Really? What time will that be?
 
9:38 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Eehh yes, and?
 
I can sync up, we can Kyro together!
 
@Ell you in the C++ steam group?
 
@user190929 I became sufficiently skilled to make progress on difficult projects on my own.
 
I've even got a Linux VM up and running for this stuff too.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck Yeah :)
 
9:39 PM
@user190929 I just accepted that it takes time. I have been on my current hobby project for about eight months now.
 
@thecoshman Btw, what Linux distro have you been testing on?
 
@JohanLundberg So tell him that.
 
@Ell I'll see if I can figure out how to do that whilst at work here
 
@ThePhD more or less when I get home on Thursday
 
Sounds like a plan.
 
9:39 PM
@ThePhD Ubuntu 12.4 and 12.10 now
 
If C inherits from both A and B, then it's both a A and a B. If A and B are unrelated, I doubt that's possible.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck Ahh thank you :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel That only makes sense once you already trust the one telling it or if it comes with examples.
 
So I don't start a project unless I know I will press on for a long time.
 
9:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes from my perspective, that is incredible - I am yet to last a month, and half of them less than a week... I do accept that it will take time - especially, say, for a polished game, even when it seems simple - but I don't think it is my only problem...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You really are the Anti-Zoidberg.
 
Having a well-defined roadmap also helps.
 
Hm.
@thecoshman It'd probably be best to only test on Ubuntu, right?
I can't imagine anyone gaming on not-Ubuntu, majority-wise anyways.
 
user142019
I usually start a project and then after a day or two (at best) I think of something that I think is more fun.
 
@ThePhD well, it would be nice to support a lot more, and I think in theory we can. I would be willing help fix bugs in other distros. I can't see it being that hard :P
 
9:43 PM
I find that knowing what tasks I can take up next really help.
 
A has for example a collection of B, and C has a collection of D
I think he would like to somehow magically get something that makes collections of B and D by inheriting from A and C..
 
And I can pick the simple stuff when I am a bit more bored. Or just work on a different part of the project.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, let's just... stick with Linux Ubuntu for now. >_>
 
@Ell I see Dota2 on your recently played list, what are we doing again?
 
Ell
@MooingDuck I was going to gift it to a friend to play with :3 it's totally cool if you're not cool with that
 
9:45 PM
I did find that the... breaking it into peaces, and such things, helped. I guess, for the most part, I just need to be more patient, and just... do it.
 
Ell
In fact don't give me it, I am unworthy :P
 
@ThePhD Well, I am currently on using X11 and OpenGL... so apart form pacakging, shouldn't be too hard to support other distributions... he says :P
 
@Ell I don't think I can gift the gift itself, I don't know how this whole steam thing works
@Ell actually, I cant even find my invites. Last I checked I had four, I can't find the screen now.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck I think you can - if you gift it to me I can choose to either redeem it or gift it. But no matter anymore anyway :)
 
And as I mentioned to Bartek today, having people show interest helps a lot too.
 
user142019
9:48 PM
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@user190929 I found that direction helps.
 
@Zoidberg ¬_¬
 
I mean, I've had a custom language I've been working on for a long time
 
@DeadMG you? direction?
 
and I kinda arsed around with it implementing some pieces
but instead I implemented a small piece all the way through, so it actually compiled and worked
now I've made a lot of progress (relatively speaking).
 
9:49 PM
true, you have actually done something these last few months
 
@Cicada I liked your face better, but whatever.
 
@EtiennedeMartel There are lots of things that I have planned, designed or sometimes spiked but never really started. I'd rather not get something done, than spend time to not get something done.
 
@thecoshman Consdering that I basically spent all of January begging for morphine also :P
 
Ell
I think seeing any kind of results is very motivating
 
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ I think some one has a little crush :P
 
9:50 PM
@Ell I don't seem to have any invites anymore :( Do they expire?
 
If it weren't for you guys I wouldn't have known Cicada's avatar was her.
I automatically assume everyone is a male.
 
@DeadMG bah, weakling excuse :P (Ignoring the fact I have spent the last three months opening project, seeing I have the same problem still, closing it)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have I told you how cool you are?
 
And female avatars are just pictures of other people.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck I'm not sure. But thanks anyways!
 
9:51 PM
yeah, I found that to be a big stopper too
some problem you can't figure out how to get around
 
@thecoshman That's why having a task list helps. When that happens, I just tackle some other problem.
 
@Ell I'll check if I still have my invites.
I have tons..
 
@DeadMG yeah, I finally sucked it up and asked on SO
@R.MartinhoFernandes bottle necked :P
 
the trouble I had is that I would usually run into problems that SO can't answer.
for example, it's generally shit for games-related questions
 
9:52 PM
@thecoshman I was talking about proper planning.
 
yeah I still have all my invites
 
well... I could have worked on how I wanted other things to work... but wouldn't be much fun with out being able to test it
 
@Ell what's your steam ID? I'll give it to you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you mean... erm... nah, I don't follow
 
@Rapptz he's the only "elliotpotts" on the Lounge Steam group
 
9:53 PM
@thecoshman You should plan to reduce the risk of bottlenecks.
 
how am I supposed to know? I don't even check the Lounge group.
:(
 
@thecoshman Doing work on paper counts as progress to me.
 
Ell
Heh I didn't know you could just get free dota 2 xD
 
I sent you a trade request
 
I don't really mind spending a week doing nothing but scribbling and not making a single commit to the repo.
 
Ell
9:54 PM
Ahh I lost the trade window
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah I know there where things I could have done in the mean time. But I wanted to get a damn window open :P I have mostly been thinking exactly how I want window events to be handled...
 
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Who says this isn't my actual face
 
@Rapptz I don't recall friending you on steam, was yours one of the ones I just didn't recognize?
 
also questioning what I want to do with kyrostat... on one hand making a game would be great, but on the other hand, reducing my scope down to just a windowing library would mean I would have more realistic goal. Plus I am kind of like doing this API stuff. But I guess making it along side a game means I can make it more practical
 
9:57 PM
@thecoshman Oh, good point!
 
@MooingDuck My display name on Steam is Danny
 
Having a well-defined scope does wonders!
 
@Rapptz oh, then yeah, I got you already
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh? I make point good? what that :P
 
well, some kind of cross-platform GUI library that does not involve being a slave to a fuck-off framework like Qt would be nice.
 
9:57 PM
Talking about kyrostat
 
That was one of the first things I set in stone for ogonek.
 
but I'll probably just use WPF.
 
Do you people even have a game design document or something
 
GDD?
 
Oh looka t all the edits.
 
9:57 PM
we did, somewhere
a long time ago
 
A long time ago.
 
user142019
Google Docs.
 
Now there's only toplevel concepts floating around.
 
but I know the design anyway because, well, I created it.
 
so basically kyrostat is "who gives a fuck about the game we just want to code" amirite
 
Ell
9:58 PM
@Zoidberg now that is a good gdd.
 
@DeadMG I thought Doma did?
 
@Cicada No.
 
@Cicada god damn you! have you no even looked at repo?
 
@Cicada yes
 
@DeadMG There are a couple of OpenGL GUI libraries.
 
9:58 PM
@DeadMG Awww yeah WPF
 
@ThePhD No, he was the renderer implementer guy.
 
Oh.
Guess I need to fill in Doma's shoes.
 
Lol, they're gonna be extra-roomy. :3c
 
@thecoshman I have. I cloned them. Couldn't find description of a gameplay idea anywhere. Maybe I'm blind.
 
user142019
9:58 PM
Life y u pointless.
2
 
@Cicada Hah! You think they would keep that in the repo?
 
Life.
^ there, fixed
 
@Cicada It was around ... somewhere.
 
@DeadMG well, atm just looking at windowing, but I do want to make a GUI lib too at some stage. ideally not even coupled to openGL or DX
 
somewhere
 
user142019
9:59 PM
It's like, you ought to get children and they do the same.
 
I know where, btw. :P
 
@Cicada it's on the bitbucket wiki, not the repo it self
 
user142019
It's all pointless in the end.
 
How exactly are you planning to make a game if you have no design documents anywhere
Coding is the easy part
 
Ell
@Zoidberg trudat.unless you give it a point
 
9:59 PM
@Cicada I knew where it was at the time.
 
@thecoshman Abstraction should be simple enough. Really, we need to adopt the Lookless approach WPF took to it.
 
but nobody has been paying attention since Kyro fell through.
 
Ell
@Cicada then you can has code for me?
 
I think my other problem is, I am not good at making abstractions sometimes...
 

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