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1:00 PM
I am not on the Internet
"Ceci n'est pas une pipe"
 
@Telkitty no. you can be wannabe hacker at most
 
user1357851
I am not a hacker, not even a wannabe hacker, but I can write software that makes people voluntarily giving out information to me
 
@Telkitty LAWL
 
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Q: Why are my struct's members not properly initialised using `{}`?

Lightness Races in OrbitI had the following code: #include <iostream> struct T { int a, b, c; }; int main() { T t = {0}; std::cout << t.a << ',' << t.b << ',' << t.c << '\n'; } Output: 0,0,0 After many years of this code running happily in a critical production ...

 
Roflmao
You even put it in the feed.
 
1:02 PM
@Telkitty sure.` string name; cin >> name;` Now you know his name!
 
That deserves a donwvote. Shameless self-promotion is unacceptable.
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz I am quite serious, it would probably cost $5000 a year (for the various servers). As long as I offer free services, I can get people give out information.
 
@rubenvb What?
@rubenvb You mean, spending time writing up a detailed question and answer to aid other people, for free, at the weekend? Sure.
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz I am talking about facebook /skype kind of services
 
FOR SHAME.
 
1:04 PM
Jeff Atwood on July 01, 2011

The FAQ has contained one key bit of advice from the very beginning:

It’s also perfectly fine to ask and answer your own question, as long as you pretend you’re on Jeopardy! — phrase it in the form of a question.

So …

if you have a question that you already know the answer to

if you’d like to document it in public so others (including yourself) can find it later

it is OK to ask, and answer, your own question on a relevant Stack Exchange site.

To be crystal clear, it is not merely OK to ask and answer your own question, it is explicitly encouraged. …

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A: Can I answer my own questions, even those where I knew the answer before asking?

SvenYes! There are already numerous posts that answer their own questions. There's nothing wrong with it. It's even encouraged. It's likely that others have the question for which you have the answer but can't find it anywhere, so post away! You can even accept your own answer (but not earlier than...

Now upvote me, bitch.
 
Gave you my upvote
 
So many downvotes :( Grrrr
I don't know why I bother, sometimes. Such an ungrateful community!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no putting it in Feeds to show off to us.
 
@rubenvb I don't even know how to do that. But I'm told that it's automatic when something is tagged , which also wasn't my doing.
@rubenvb Get your facts straight.
 
oh
hehe
I don't live on facts on the internet.
Makes it so dull.
 
1:06 PM
That much is evident
 
He just needed some love, give him some
 
user142019
If self-answering weren't desired, the system wouldn't have allowed for it. Some morons can't think of that.
 
I did upvote you now, but the I read this:
2 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Now upvote me, bitch.
So now you don't deserve my precious upvote.
 
56 mins ago, by sehe
@Zoidberg I'm eying something like this: http://www.quietpc.com/sys-a40-z77
^ gah: apparently they don't want to sell me stuff:
 
user142019
You entered too many dots.
 
user142019
1:11 PM
Try entering real values.
 
@Zoidberg LOL. I knew someone would say as much
I have tried

using a different browser (Chrome 24.0.1312.57 and Opera 12.13 Build 1734)
using a different email address
using a simpler password (eek?)
using a filler second address line
skipping the phone nuymber
alternative format for phone number
spaces in Zip Code
All capital letters
Explicitely filling out the billing address instead of utililizing the 'Copy' button
Unhiding the 'State' field on both the Shipping and Billing address and filling it
 
user142019
Also 8 char postcode wtf.
 
user142019
@sehe try IE6.
 
@Zoidberg Obvious troll is obvious
 
@Zoidberg What's wrong with 8-char postcodes?
 
1:13 PM
@Zoidberg That might work, actually
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not valid
 
user142019
Also contact them and tell them they're bad.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They don't exist in this country.
 
@Zoidberg I did. I wrote them a mail
 
@Zoidberg Did you forget that there are other countries that exist in the world, as well as yours?
 
user142019
1:14 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit except sehe doesn't live there.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That message eerily went in the wrong direction
@Zoidberg And more relevantly, the screenshot indicates the Netherlands
 
@Zoidberg What does sehe have to do with it?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit +1
 
user142019
He wants to buy something.
 
user142019
But it doesn't work.
 
user1357851
1:14 PM
Does anyone feel being loved here, or are you all feeling being hated here?
 
@Telkitty The lounge is all about being loved to being hated to being loved. You'll get used to it.
 
I can't get them to accept my money... Or contact details, even... :(
 
user142019
@Telkitty I feel like hating.
 
Good idea
 
user1357851
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I understand, just not sure
 
user1357851
1:16 PM
@Zoidberg but why is everyone acting so politely?
 
@Telkitty the lounge is basically Meta Meta Stack Overflow, so read all messages with that in mind
 
user142019
Oh awesome breakpoint function.
 
@Telkitty Fuck if I know.
 
user142019
Let's try this.
 
I feel like drinking. I'm off to the club now. Doombar, and the seemingly inevitable cash loss at the card came, awaits...
 
user1357851
1:16 PM
Is like having this rage but acting like a passive/aggressive person being passive
 
@MartinJames A bit of Doom Bar calls come 3pm methinks
 
"acting like a gay" <- So much wrong with this.
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@Telkitty I don't know. Perhaps you can describe what it feels like in more detail so that we can diagnose your condition more accurately.
 
user142019
@rubenvb do you have a problem with gay people?
 
user142019
</serious-mode>
 
1:18 PM
thanks for pointing out that opportunity @Zoidberg
@Telkitty I don't think you understand what "passive aggressive" means, mostly because you put a "/" in the middle there.
It's not somebody who's passive one minute and aggressive the next.
It's someone who's passively aggressive as a lifestyle
 
user142019
My lifestyle is aggressively passive.
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user1357851
@LightnessRacesinOrbit please enlighten me with an example of being passively aggressive?
 
user142019
I lazily evaluate my homework; I defer doing it until it has to be handed in.
 
user142019
@Telkitty hitting people for no reason while still lying in bed.
 
user1357851
@Zoidberg that's being lazy ... and how many people can you reach while lying in bed?
 
user142019
1:23 PM
Many or few, depending on where you placed your bed.
 
@Telkitty I don't have time to waste on that right now. You could look it up in a book, or perform some research.
 
user142019
If you place your bed on Oxford Street, many.
 
@Telkitty I mean, we can go through it if you really want, but I don't think that's the best use of my time really sort of kinda um lol
 
user142019
If only everybody were as nice as I am.
 
user142019
The world would've been a wonderful place.
 
1:25 PM
man, it's difficult to come up with a text-only example of the behaviour
@Zoidberg wrong
 
user142019
Time for breakfast: crisps + coke.
 
@Zoidberg that reminds me, it must be your birthday coming up. can I send you a cake and fourteen candles for you to assemble yourself?
 
user142019
 
(there we go)
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my last birthday was about 1.25 months ago.
 
1:27 PM
belated then
and take the bait dammit
 
user142019
Nein.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: So whats to be discussed?
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit also I don't like cake nor candles.
 
user142019
I prefer hamburgers.
 
@datenwolf: It sounds like the OpenGL tag routinely works contrary to the SO mechanic. I'll raise this on meta. In the meantime if you would like any further information to understand the way that Stack Overflow is supposed to work, I'll be happy to help you out in chat a bit later; right now I have to go get some food. — Lightness Races in Orbit 40 secs ago
Now that's passive aggressive behaviour.
@AlokSave Well I didn't construct an agenda
@AlokSave If there's nothing further to discuss then there's nothing further to discuss, I guess. But if further questions do come up, then they ought to come up here.
 
user142019
1:30 PM
> OpenGL 1.4.
 
user142019
Doomed to fail.
 
user142019
Don't help.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why do you think the marked duplicate is abstract? Do you think it is not accurate?
 
@AlokSave Honestly? I just think it's a bit shit
I also don't think it's strictly a duplicate of my question
If it were a FAQ post, then there may be an argument to "redirect" mine to it using the duplicate system, because in that case strict duplicateness is less important. But it's not the same question.
 
user142019
Stack Overflow is a bad website.
 
1:33 PM
@Zoidberg You are a bad website and you should feel bad.
 
user142019
I'm not a website you fool.
 
@Zoidberg Oh. Really? Shit.
@Zoidberg You could have told me this sooner :(
 
user142019
I could tell you again.
 
@Zoidberg Okay that might make up for it. Go!
 
user142019
Nah TME.
 
user142019
:)
 
ffs, I even got downvoted on Reddit
what is wrong with people
 
user142019
Time to write software.
 
it's like the whole world is on some sort of anti-quality crusade
 
In QT, if you emit a signal within a QThread, will the thread live until the signal has been received?
 
1:35 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nevermind, I forgot that the rules in SO atleast on C++ tag are twisted as per the whims and fancies of a selected few. So at best this conversation is pretty much counter productive.
 
@AlokSave Yeah, they pretty much are :P I do think that they make sense, though.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thats BS.
 
@AlokSave I'm sorry to hear that, and will attempt to do better next time.
 
@ManofOneWay QThread manages the thread, it is not the thread. So the QThread may live when the "thread" is long dead.
 
1:38 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No you don't have to because rules will be twisted to get you through even in this case. I have seen it happening and I see it happening again.
 
user142019
I don't understand those things.
 
user142019
Why do some people think there always needs to be an equal amount of men and women in a field.
 
user142019
OH NO THERE ARE MORE PROGRAMMING MEN THAN PROGRAMMING WOMEN WE MUST DO SOMETHING THIS IS BAD.
 
It's sexual discrimination to even care about ratios of men/women in computing. But those who do care, do so because they think that it's sexual discrimination not to. The problem is that gender exists and to try to ignore that results in a never-ending paradox.
 
Well it is a worthy cause to improve the odds. Not that full equality is necessary or wanted, but at least a push to the middle won't hurt anyone, on the contrary
 
1:40 PM
@rubenvb No, that couldn't be more wrong. It is harmful.
@rubenvb All target-based "recruitment"-style logic is dangerous and wrong.
@rubenvb It leads to poor, lazy, women programmers being hired over deserving, qualified, productive men. For example.
@rubenvb [In theory,] Gender should never be a consideration at all. Either positively or negatively.
 
I wasn't talking about target-based recruiting.
 
user142019
It's braindead.
 
@rubenvb What's "a push to the middle", then?
 
I was talking about education.
 
user142019
Also equality is irrelevant.
 
1:42 PM
@rubenvb In what sense?
 
user142019
If people aren't interested in something don't force or even push them to learn it.
 
Make the "male jobs" more appealing to both genders.
 
@rubenvb Placing resources on encouraging women to go into computing, you mean?
@rubenvb Great, then you just redirected resources from getting computing education to some men who would be really good at it and make a good living.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes, I suppose.
 
1:42 PM
@rubenvb You just can't win either way when you make decisions based on silly, non-important factors like that.
 
user142019
@DeadMG that sucks.
 
well it sure sucks if you're the woman (or women) who got raped
 
@DeadMG hah! That could be a really interesting case.
 
but arguably, it's a smart move on the part of whichever brother was the rapist.
 
lol. Poland can into space Lounge
Oct 15 '10 at 9:10, by Rin
yep not only US - poland here ;)
 
1:43 PM
as the prosecutor can't prove which of them it was
 
user142019
It also sucks if you're the innocent brother (if there is one).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Mixed genders increase productivity.
 
yeah, that too.
 
@rubenvb How's that?
 
user1357851
@rubenvb I am sure some places would disagree, i.e. algo trading
 
user1357851
1:44 PM
men like $ more
 
@DeadMG Yes. It was a very smart move on his part to become a genetic twin when he decided to commit a rape.
 
user142019
> It increases productivity by having men look at boobs IRL instead of on the Internet.
 
user142019
Raping is never a smart move.
 
user142019
It's bad and he should feel bad.
 
user1357851
That's called sexual harassment
 
1:45 PM
@Zoidberg [citation needed]
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah, but if you are a genetic twin, and you live in the same area as your genetic twin, then it is an opportunity.
 
@Telkitty Raping is called sexual harassment?
 
user1357851
staring at your colleaugues boobs is
 
@DeadMG So, because he was a twin, and he used that fact to potentially get away with rape... sorry, which part was the smart move, again? Being a twin, or committing a rape because he may be able to get away with it?
 
user142019
1:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit <ref>common sense</ref>.
 
I'm just not sure that there's too much intelligence involved in this master scheme.
 
Sometimes I think you guys should get out more.
 
The constant risk of harassment claims in litigation cultures must surely be a draw from productivity. Making sure your eyes never wonder, that you never make a flirty comment, that you never say anything that indicates you're aware that the person you're speaking to is pretty and of the opposite gender. It's sad.
@rubenvb He says, in a computer programming chatroom on the internet.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're not succumbing to discriminative prejudice now are you?
 
@rubenvb I am.
 
1:48 PM
wow that was a bunch of fancy and well-chosen words.
 
@rubenvb Like "not" and "to"
 
@Telkitty wat?
 
so I feel the need to change the topic
 
user142019
 
user142019
lol
 
1:50 PM
and declare (again) that I am the victory
screw you Clang, I won this round
 
user142019
Write your own C++ implementation.
 
user142019
I think Wide implementers want to kill themselves because of the C++ interop.
 
@Zoidberg of minecraft lolololo
 
@Zoidberg implementer*s*?
 
1:52 PM
who is Implementer S?
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz staring at your female colleague's boobs = sexual harassment. I don't mind if someone stare at my boobs if I can get a promotion out of it (staring only). But usually that is not the case >_<
 
user142019
@DeadMG WIDE WILL BECOME FPOPULAR!!1
 
@Telkitty Only if you do it for like 10 minutes at a time, most days
 
lol
 
@Telkitty You shouldn't get worked up about someone looking at you
 
1:52 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm Implementer Sexy.
 
@DeadMG I knew it
 
user142019
How does Wide deal with bytes? Is there a byte type?
 
user142019
Or is there the dual-purpose char type from C++? XD
 
I obviously took byte.
 
user142019
Good. +1.
 
user1357851
1:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit boobs aren't that exciting. LOLZ
 
I don't have any char type.
 
user142019
++
 
Did anyone say boobs?
 
no
 
back to sleep then
 
1:54 PM
wait for Tony to come on
 
user1357851
besides large natural boobs always comes with a bulging belly :x
 
user142019
boobs
 
but I'm not gonna bin it
 
user142019
It's Sunday so it's not NSFW.
 
user1357851
If I was to post a real fat woman with big boobs I would get suspended
 
1:55 PM
so
 
user1357851
your kids can not take the truth
 
I need to implement function types, and then functions.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
user142019
@DeadMG programmers.se
 
Bowling is ok
@Zoidberg Also, those are really nice, large hands. Quite muscled too. I'd love to touch those
 
1:57 PM
Chatroom, not imageroom.
 
user142019
:(
 
maybe I should do some frontend work
 
@DeadMG liar
 
I mean, right now I hardcode the MinGW path, the header search paths, the Wide source file to load, the output file name and path..
 
user142019
Sounds like clang.
 
1:58 PM
lol
 
user142019
xD
 
It's okay to star it :) Free karma anyway
 
I have to link to 60 libs to use Clang and LLVM.
 
user142019
xD
 
2:04 PM
I'm filling up the starboard with a bunch of ambiguity. Can't decide if a good thing or not...
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I wish I knew what that was about
 
hmmmm
if I have unique_ptr<T> f(), then that is not actually instantiated unless the function is called, right?
 
user142019
system("pause"); goto begin; Nope, pretty sure you are a beginner. — Fabián H. jr. Jan 9 '12 at 0:55
 
user142019
Haha pwnt.
 
user142019
@DeadMG if you compile the function the template must be instantiated.
 
2:14 PM
k
 
user142019
You might dynamically link to a library that uses it.
 
I can't get away without instantiating it anyways, because the compiler can't prove that I never use any operations on T.
 
user142019
Unless f is a template function, of course, but then the question won't make sense.
 
so if I were using regular pointers, I could get away with it, but since I'm using smart, I can't.
 
user142019
fd; file descriptor.
 
2:15 PM
oh well
 
user142019
Template meta-programming is funny.
 
I'm doing a definitions pass
when I write the first version of code I always just dump everything in the header
 
@Telkitty: You could just have asked a room owner to move your posts to the bin instead of mod-flagging them.
 
@ThiefMaster I think all the owners have plonked him.
 
user142019
Oh hey first Erlang question of the day on SO.
 
2:18 PM
Seconded what @DeadMG said
 
Is TellKitty more or less annoying than me? :)
 
hmm... tough decision
 
user1357851
@user1690130 Yes, I am the elitest troll in this room
 
@Telkitty yes, which?
@Telkitty why do you come to this room then?
 
@user1690130 The same question should be asked to you, then
 
2:23 PM
@Doorknob I am having fun and learning
 
@Telkitty okay, now half your messages are removed...
 
user1357851
...
 
@Doorknob can we move on? do i still bother you?
 
@Telkitty ^
 
user1357851
I deleted them myself, ty
 
2:25 PM
why?
@sehe Lol
 
@Doorknob It's pretty meta, really
 
You guys have devolved into ooze. I'm outta here
 
user142019
(added)
 
@rubenvb That happens almost all the time :P
this room rarely talks about C++
 
(materialized)
 
2:30 PM
yay
 
hah! my question is at -1!
 
cut my header file by 2/3rds
 
@Light which one?
 
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Q: Why are my struct's members not properly initialised using `{}`?

Lightness Races in OrbitI had the following code: #include <iostream> struct T { int a, b, c; }; int main() { T t = {0}; std::cout << t.a << ',' << t.b << ',' << t.c << '\n'; } Output: 0,0,0 After many years of this code running happily in a critical production ...

just went up to 0
the answer's at 11.
 
2:31 PM
@DeadMG what r you happy about?
:)
 
@user1690130 ...he cut his header file by 2/3
Maybe you should read stuff? Like words?
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The words @DeadMG says could in fact generously be described only as "strings of characters"
 
So what happen with <d3d11.h> in Win8? I'm including that together with <dxgi.h> and <d3dcommon.h> and I'm getting 'ID3D11Device' does not name a type, 'ID3D11DeviceContext' does not name a type, etc
using g++ (Built by MinGW-builds project) 4.8.0 20121225 (experimental)
 
MinGW doesn't support that header
at least, not completely.
 
pastebin.ca/2312525 is the mingw version of d3d11.h, could anyone pastebin the correct version for the sake of a quick comparison?
 
2:45 PM
there isn't a correct version
or it would ship with MinGW
 
By correct version I meant the one that comes with the Windows Software Development Kit (SDK) for Windows 8, but since I can't see any way around it, I'm downloading it anyway
Found it, d3d11.h is located in C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\Include\um after installing the SDK for Win8.
 
Ell
@DeadMG how is wide going?
 
fairly well
just doing some cleanup right now
 
Ell
for the prototype?
 
yep
well, strictly, the prototype is done, in that it can compile "Hello, World".
 
Ell
2:51 PM
what functionality does the prototype have?
cpp("<iostream>").std.cout << "Hello, World\n";?
 
uh
something like that
I wouldn't try "\n", though.
 
@Ell lol at javascript reference
 
I hate my uni so much
God when I become a billionaire I will burn this shit to the ground
just like all my previous schools
 
user1357851
Is there such a thing as the "Silicon Valley Bank"? I am going to this advanced pitch event (not as a presenter), & there are people coming as a part of the "Silicon Valley Bank".
 
@BartekBanachewicz That explains a lot.
 

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