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user142019
Stupid school with stupid timetable.
 
user142019
 
Burn the school!
 
Are you actually zoidberg?
 
5 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
God when I become a billionaire I will burn this shit to the ground
 
user142019
8:02 PM
 
@Zoidberg "stupid school" is redundant.
 
-1
Q: tV in function prototype?

ruboosI have a c++ lab I'm working on and the prof asked us to prototype a function that includes "tV". I'm really confused about the inclusion of this in the arguments. The prototype is: void Initialize (vector<Team>& tV, const int id[], const string m[][NUM_MEMBERS], int arraySize); Kee...

 
user142019
Is there somebody here who knows R?
 
what exactly is the point of a function prototype, anyway? I just know to put them in
 
@Crowz So the compiler knows it exists without needing to define it?
 
8:04 PM
Why don't they just make the compiler better?
 
@Crowz to split implementation from declarations? Rly,,,
@Crowz what the fuck are you implying right now?
Do you know what an interface is?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz so it does 2 passes maybe?
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah but I don't get them.
 
whaa wha.. what. guys. guys. stop.
 
I've made them, but like, why? Something about inheritance or something I dunno
 
8:05 PM
@Crowz why don't you actually READ the effing book? And try to learn before posting stupid questions?
 
@Crowz C++ was invented back when computers were run by horses. How'd you think we ended up with using header files for everything, when it's clearly a crappy way to organize program files?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... book?
I don't have any books...
 
@JerryCoffin don't encourage him
 
@Crowz well that's apparent, because you keep on talking nonsense. Buy one.
 
@Crowz Runtime linking.
 
8:06 PM
I won't learn anything from a book...
 
And in case you don't know, book is that shit with paper and with shit of letters everywhere
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why? Do you think it'll make a real difference if I don't?
 
@Crowz Why not? You're too good for it?
@JerryCoffin It just felt like the right thing to say
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Extremely short attention span
 
@Crowz well then what are you going to learn from? Fucking My Little Pony video?
 
8:07 PM
@Crowz Have you tried reading them?
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@Crowz s/attention span/penis/
 
@Insilico lol he eats them probably
 
I read a networking book once. It was okay
 
@Crowz I like manga.
 
@JerryCoffin and actually I am concerned that he may think you were supporting his stance.
 
8:07 PM
C++ books are fucking weird though
 
I mean unless it's Twilight or any of Schildt's shit, you should learn something.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Premature optimization (the universal SO answer to anything you don't want to or known how to answer).
 
@Crowz If you keep being such a fuckwit I'm going to have to plonk you.
 
@Crowz it's just you being lame
 
@JerryCoffin Needs more jQuery.
 
8:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just in case, let me be clear: I don't support anybody's stance on anything.
 
@JerryCoffin funny thing is how many times it's actually right
 
They use such annoying big words for no reason, it pisses me off. "if you instantiate the deliminator and implement the graphics utilities"
 
@Crowz Those are big words to you?
 
damn
 
8:09 PM
I can't find the topic about the January mailing list.
 
@Insilico I really don't know if he's so dumb or just trolling
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not much I can (or at least will) do about that -- never touched jQuery and have no plan to do so either.
 
@Insilico they are annoyingly technical. Someone should just write a book in some common rhetoric
 
@JerryCoffin Then -1 and VTC
 
@Crowz no shit programming books are technical
 
8:10 PM
@Crowz Um. The topic is incredibly complex.
 
@Crowz Well... yeah. Computers tend to be technical things.
 
@Crowz You can't teach it without teaching it. If it's too complicated for you, fuck off and do something else
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz why not both?
 
If they were less technical they would just be Popular Science articles.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd say just trolling, but I learnt that lesson with Zoidberg.
 
8:11 PM
I learn better by just hacking and slashing away at doing it then reading annoyingly abstract books
 
It's good to gain a layman's knowledge of stuff but at some point you actually need to process it.
 
@Crowz No you don't. You just think you do.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'd like to try carpenting.
 
@Crowz What's stopping you from hacking away at stuff then?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The usual reaction of lesser minds, unable to comprehend my greatness. [Hey, I think I'm getting the "puppy" thing down pretty well.]
 
8:12 PM
@Crowz And I wish fewer people did, because then we'd actually have a pool of job candidates who could understand programming properly. Instead of a million twats who don't know what abstraction even is, who I don't want to hire but have to
@JerryCoffin Flagged comment and responded with appropriate passive-aggressive insult
 
@Crowz and at the end of the day you don't really understand nothing.
 
@Crowz That's sometimes a good way to learn but not always.
 
@StackedCrooked Yay!
@BartekBanachewicz I think he does understand nothing.
 
Hacking away at things is at best, a very inefficient way of learning things
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit isn't that precisely what I said?
 
8:13 PM
Usually more than that it's harmful. You learn incorrectly, without realising.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's like drawing... you don't get better by reading books about it, they only slightly help... you get better by doing it and nothing else.
 
I made that mistake with OpenGL
 
Look at PHP. That was one person's result of "hacking" around with language design
 
Ell
@Crowz then somehow I don't think heart surgery would be a good career path for you
 
8:13 PM
That's what happens when you try to take lazy shortcuts because you think you don't need to put in the effort to learn properly. Because you're special, right? Because you learn differently from everybody else?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit As the man said, it isn't what you don't know that hurts you. It's what you do know that ain't so.
 
@Crowz It's nothing at all like drawing. Jesus Christ
 
@JerryCoffin I'll be the judge of that.
 
@Crowz Yes, you get better with practice. But if you practice like shit than it's worse than no practice at all.
 
@Crowz Which ones have you read?
 
Ell
8:14 PM
@Crowz reading books teaches you to draw too :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't learn from annoying abstractions. In theory, lots of things should work. In practice, not so much. I prefer to try it, see the result, and adjust accordingly.
 
@Crowz You're wrong. It's as simple as that. One day you'll realise that taking advice from people who know better than you was something worth considering; you'll also realise that we were those people, all along.
 
@Crowz Annoying abstractions are the reason why human beings are able to make something as complicated as modern computer systems.
 
Unfortunately it'll be too late :(
 
@Insilico Thomas Edison was pretty successful making a lightbulb by just hacking away at it
 
8:16 PM
I know you don't think of the computer in terms of its transistors, do you?
 
@Crowz Thomas edison was a fucking twat and an idiot. And a terrible person. And star it back, you coward
 
yo scotty
 
@Crowz What, you think Edison learned to use electricity by "hacking away at it"? You're a fucking retard. Also, Edison didn't invent the lightbulb; that's a common misconception.
 
@Crowz Thomas Edison was a businessman. Yes, he invented shit. But he was in it to make money. Not to actually learn stuff.
 
workin on mah wide
wat's up for you?
I know how you feel bro
 
8:17 PM
@FredOverflow "C" by Herbert Schildt
 
@Crowz that famous C++ book
 
@Crowz That would explain a lot.
 
@Insilico MAKE ALL THE MONEYS
 
@Crowz How is that a C++ book?
 
8:17 PM
@Crowz also, Schildt is known to write poor books
 
@Crowz Bullschildt? God please.
 
2101
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are released every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a good C++ book...

 
Oh... well this explains a lot...
 
We have witnessed living proof that Schildt's books will cause you to make negative progress in learning C++.
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8:18 PM
 
Negative by 1
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Only 1?
 
@Crowz: So, you want to be like Thomas Edison, hacking away?
> The fundamental design of Edison's fluoroscope is still in use today, although Edison himself abandoned the project after nearly losing his own eyesight and seriously injuring his assistant, Clarence Dally.
Do it.
 
@DeadMG i think they are too advanced. Oh wait, maybe I missed some updates
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol I just want a job.
 
8:19 PM
> Dally had made himself an enthusiastic human guinea pig for the fluoroscopy project and in the process been exposed to a poisonous dose of radiation. He later died of injuries related to the exposure. In 1903, a shaken Edison said "Don't talk to me about X-rays, I am afraid of them."
@Crowz Well, you're not going to get one from me until you suck it up, develop some humility, and put the time and effort in to learn like everybody else.
 
Eh. I just wanna do something easy.
 
@DeadMG the navigation needs some work
 
@Crowz Java was invented as the "easier" alternative to C++. Look how it ended up.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know. I never got around to fixing some of them.
 
@Crowz Step 1. Get rid of that lazy attitude.
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8:21 PM
@Crowz In that case, programming is not for you. Seriously. Virtually the entire reason we get paid pretty well is because very few people can do it at all well.
 
@Insilico super easy to use. Why do people dislike it so much? It takes like, no effort to do anything in java
 
@Crowz You get out what you put in.
@JohannesSchaub-litb What
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin do programmers get payed well? I know every industry has experts/noobs, but I was under the impression programmers weren't so well paid (apart from the obvious bill gates/jobs but they are businessmen)
 
@Ell They are certainly paid better than McDonald's workers.
 
8:22 PM
@Ell In some places they can do pretty well. I'd say only mid-level in the UK, though.
Certainly more than- yeah.
 
@JerryCoffin I think it's more because very few people want to do it. Based on a lot of studies, of those who are proficient in sciences and maths, only about 40% are interested in it
 
I would say you can peak pretty early in your career, as a software developer. The problem there is that, well, you've peaked. And the peak itself isn't all that incredible.
You hear stories about programmers earning US$150k but I'm not sure I believe that for the general case
 
@Crowz So? You can say the same for virtually all STEM fields.
 
@Ell I suppose that depends on what you call well paid, but yes it pays quite reasonably.
 
@Crowz "Based on a lot of studies" hahaaha
You are comedy gold
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8:24 PM
I nudge my nephews in the programming direction sometimes. They laugh and say that it is way too hard
 
@doug65536 "Programming is hard. Let's go shopping!"
 
@Crowz From what I've seen, most scientists and mathematicians are horrible programmers.
 
@doug65536 I dunno, my brothers are like programming geniuses. I don't know how they do it
 
@Crowz They do it by reading books. Especially ones not written by Mr. Schildt.
 
Yeah they're also at like, fuckin' calculus 4 level and took classes in quantum physics
 
8:26 PM
@Crowz And what does that have to do with programming?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you are a genius. i like your messages
 
@Insilico because that's like, beyond genius level
 
@Crowz You seem to think genius is some kind of one-dimensional scale that everyone can be shoehorned in.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb So you transitively like Crow's messages? :D
 
@Crowz you are fucking lame
 
8:26 PM
@Insilico It is. If you're me, then you are; else you aren't.
 
@DeadMG Binary.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I know, and thanks!
 
user142019
I think I'm not going to school tomorrow.
 
user142019
Boring introduction to new project is boring.
 
Once I have a QTextStream ts from a QFile f, does f have to live after the creation of ts?
 
8:27 PM
@Insilico Well, I can't even get past calc I hah
 
user142019
And introduction to SQL.
 
@Zoidberg An attitude I often always ended up taking to university.
 
@Zoidberg I'm certain that everybody present will be grateful.
 
@Zoidberg I think I won't go either. Because I graduated years ago lol.
 
@Zoidberg How do you know if you're not there
 
8:28 PM
I can't even fathom what calc 4 would be like...
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked lol
 
@Crowz Programming well (or doing calculus well) requires a lot more perseverance than genius. If you're stupid, you'll never do either one well, but even if you are a genius, you're going to have to work at it.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit experience from previous introductions.
 
Three months later: "Stupid school didn't bother to tell me I had to do a presentation on this topic"
@Zoidberg What does that have to do with it? This is not previous introductions. Open your mind to the possibility of somebody being able to tell you something new that you didn't already know.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit as if I'll care.
 
8:29 PM
@JerryCoffin eh, even so, often I feel like the return is waaaaaaay less than the effort put in
 
@Zoidberg You'll care when you don't have a presentation and look even more stupid in front of everybody, and fail.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit or I simply don't go to the presentation problem solved.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He really won't care about looking stupid in front of everybody.
failing, maybe, but looking stupid? not gonna care.
 
@Zoidberg It is mandatory.
@Zoidberg You need to stop just bailing out on things.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit As if I care.
 
8:30 PM
Oh jesus
I really hope you grow up soon.
 
@Zoidberg Holy crap.
 
user142019
I didn't go to the last exam either.
 
IT'S A CARP!
 
user142019
David Karp. :|
 
8:30 PM
@Zoidberg Right, because you're better than that, aren't you?
 
@Crowz Then you honestly might want to do something else that you find more rewarding (and yes, for once I'm being quite serious -- if you don't find it rewarding to have written clean code, chances are you'll be happier doing something else).
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because I had better things to do.
 
@Zoidberg Such as?
 
Ell
damn. How do I onebox an image? :P
 
user142019
8:32 PM
Learning about applicative functors.
 
@StackedCrooked I see no holes in this carp.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't get why people like clean code, either. If it works, and works at the same minimum bounds and maximum bounds, does it matter how nonsensical it is?
 
user142019
Which are actually interesting.
 
@Ell Try getting rid of the ?1320962111 part of the URL.
 
@Zoidberg And you couldn't have done that afterwards?
 
user142019
8:32 PM
I could've done that, but I didn't. Ha!
 
@Crowz Yeah, you're not going to understand programming.
 
@Crowz Yes -- in fact, it matters a lot.
 
@JerryCoffin Apparently I was wholly mistaken then.
 
How so?
 
@Crowz Do you know of The Daily WTF?
 
8:33 PM
@Insilico no
 
@Insilico He embodies it.
 
Ell
@Crowz because if you have the same code to maintain for 30 years, you need to be able to read it over again, and modify it
 
@Insilico He is thedailywtf.
 
@StackedCrooked Damn I wish that made at least a little sense in isolation so I could star it.
 
Ell
and when you get fired for writing shitty code, it's gonna be difficult for someone else to read it and read it
 
user142019
8:33 PM
@Crowz you may need to change it later and you still need to know how it works. Likewise, people new to the code must be able to understand it.
 
I've never programmed anything with anyone else haha
 
user142019
If your code is poorly written this becomes more difficult.
 
@Crowz No shit.
 
@JerryCoffin No problem :)
 
user142019
Anyway,
 
8:34 PM
Code should be written primarily for other people to read, and only secondarily for the compiler.
 
user142019
> It was hard to write, so it must be hard to read.
 
Other people's programming looks weeeeeird
 
@Crowz It's basically a site about programming fuckups that readers submit. Every example on that site is traceable to people who have your attitude towards programming.
 
Hell, most examples on this site, likewise.
And, oh look, they keep having to ask for help
 
@Insilico what's my attitude?
 
8:35 PM
@Crowz CBA.
 
3 mins ago, by Crowz
@JerryCoffin I don't get why people like clean code, either. If it works, and works at the same minimum bounds and maximum bounds, does it matter how nonsensical it is?
 
@Crowz I would tell you, but I'd get banned from the lounge.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No you wouldn't.
 
user142019
I wish it were possible to ban people from chat.
 
8:36 PM
@DeadMG I love you too.
@Zoidberg It is.
 
@Crowz It's lacking something.
 
user142019
They can get suspended temporarily when they're flagged.
 
if all the regulars ignore you, you become effectively banned
 
@Zoidberg That's a ban.
 
user142019
IMO a ban is permanent.
 
8:37 PM
@Zoidberg Your opinion is wrong.
 
bans can be temporary
 
@Insilico It's not like language, where different things have different connotations, denotations, and implications. No matter what you do it could compile to the same thing.
 
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree.
 
@Zoidberg Well, you're wrong again.
 
@Zoidberg ...but it doesn't take long for "temporarily" to turn into "for a year or more". With just a little help from "on high", it can be permanent.
 
8:37 PM
@Zoidberg nobody will validate flags saying Crowz is a retard
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree.
 
user142019
@Crowz you're a retard.
 
@Crowz Compilation is utterly irrelevant. You're creating a program in a language. It's text that describes something.
 
the worst situation to be in is being afraid to touch code. Messy code=fear
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Let's try this. :D
 
8:38 PM
@Crowz What it compiles to is virtually irrelevant.
 
@Crowz See, even @Zoidberg thinks you're a retard. That's like a huge retard badge of honour.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but the thing that is important is the final product. Nothing else really matters
 
@MooingDuck you around today?
 
@Crowz You're wrong. What's almost as important is being able to build the next product from that codebase.
 
If someone made a beautiful painting, would it matter how they made it, or would it simply matter what they made?
 
8:39 PM
@Crowz You're lacking in understanding about what "the final product" is.
 
software companies would be dead if they could not produce more than one product.
 
@Crowz You seem to think the final product is the binary the compiler produces. That's completely wrong.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "retard" is the wrong word though -- there's a huge difference between stupid and lazy.
 
people don't modify paintings 3 years later
 
@Crowz It does matter. If you used your own urine, then it won't last very long.
@JerryCoffin Yeah but it makes me feel better
 
8:40 PM
@Crowz It matters how they made it because if they can't repeat the process, they're going to be out of a job quickly.
 
Ell
@Crowz you can't keep comparing programmes to paintings, they're not paintings
 
@Insilico Well then what is the final product? My understanding is, if you made a game, what the players are playing is the final product
they couldn't care less about how it's programmed
 
@Crowz Nope. The final product also includes, to a great degree, the foundation for the next game your company needs to produce.
 
@Crowz Programmers aren't paid to make binaries. They are paid to solve problems.
 
I also just think that there's a factor that has nothing to do with future versions, or maintainability. If you're not the sort of person who likes clean code just for the sake of it, or who cares about and enjoys abstractions (and I'm no neuroscientist so I can't tell you why I do and why you don't), then you're unlikely to be the sort of person who writes with due dilligence and a limited number of bugs.
 
8:41 PM
Are we really still in this discussion?
Because honestly, he's not gonna comprehend it.
 
That's why almost every SO question-poster has your attitude. They just want the final result, now, for them, immediately, with no cares in the world that questions should help other people, or be interesting, or further the knowledge of humankind.
 
The only thing I like in code is when it's really simple.
 
They can't be bothered to learn from a book, because gaining knowledge isn't important to them. They're just in a hurry to get this program compiling and running and move on to the next thing.
It's really, really sad. And I don't know why.
 
@Crowz Do you know what clean code even looks like? Ironically, if you want simple code, you write clean code.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It is very sad.
 
8:42 PM
I agree with Lightnes
 
@BartekBanachewicz I know :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do you want to know why?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit This == Truth
 
One day I'll figure out what it is that he's missing, in a way that can be described in a single phrase. And I'll repeat it to everyone all the time.
 
@Crowz the code we write is simple. For us, because we actually took our time to learn.
 
8:43 PM
@Insilico When I write my language that's going to look eerily like C++, it will forward-declare everything for you automatically and resolve any circular struct/class usages automatically, so you only to define it once and never ever look back.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Vision.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Attitude.
 
@Crowz It's sort of true, but almost irrelevant. The fact is, regardless of future revisions and such, you're never even going to finish a decent program by writing shitting code. Most code gets reverse engineered a half dozen times (or more) in the process of just finishing one program the first time.
 
@DeadMG and Imagination?
 
that too
 
8:43 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hmm, maybe.
 
As an outsider it is very obvoious!!! But when y'all ping outsiders . . .
 
Make it a sentence. You are missing Vision, Attitude and Imagination, @Crowz.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why it's sad, or why it happens?
 
Who's going full retard with the stars?
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but I think that vision is more important than imagination in general.
 
8:44 PM
@Borgleader You should be able to figure it out pretty easily. (Hint: there's two of them)
 
@JerryCoffin they aren't like programmers from the past decade. Or two.
 
Someone's been doing that since earlier today.
 
@JerryCoffin Why it's sad (I had a meta moment). But I'm curious about the other thing, too.
 
I'm not actually paying attention to the conversation, I'm looking at artbooks. I just saw random stars
 
Oh wait you're talking about people who are starring things.
 
8:45 PM
@BartekBanachewicz how does vision, attitude, and imagination factor into programming at all? It's a science. Sciences are about facts. Facts are true or untrue.
 
@Crowz Programming is as much of an art as of science. And you will never be a good programmer if you don't get those 3
 
@Crowz You don't think science involves some imagination? How'd you think they came up with quantum mechanics?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's sad because if more people were like us, rather than like Crowz, then humanity would be vastly better off.
 
@JerryCoffin From my experience with my little sister, there's an element of throw-away, always-on, immediate-gratification, entitlement in the burgeoning culture
Except it's not limited to young programmers, either
 
@BartekBanachewicz ooo I hate when people say that... what does that even mean?
 
8:46 PM
@Crowz For a great many things, you can only determine if a fact is true or not by saying "What if it's true/false?" and then proving that the result is impossible.
 
@Crowz You couldn't be more wrong.
@Crowz Software development is an art, not a science.
 
and it takes a serious dose of creativity to explore all the aspects of every fact
and see all their interactions with other facts
 
@DeadMG Somehow I wish I could find a way to foster such an attitude (the positive "spread the knowledge one")
 
@Crowz Perhaps you'll be better qualified to categorise it when you're actually capable of performing it.
 
@Crowz that means programming involves more than just facts and rules. This a computer can do. We, as software developers, fill the thing that computer can't - imaginative thinking.
 
8:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think at least part of the "why it's sad" part is pretty simple: because ultimately writing the current piece of code is almost an accidental byproduct of our growth as human beings -- and most of what's happening here is ignoring even the possibility of growth.
 
@Borgleader me toooooo :(
 
@Borgleader I prefer to think of it as individual people being neurons in a single large brain.
 
legally we are the same thing as a book author. hard to say writing fiction is a science
 
Ell
anyone reccomend a good cocktail/punch?
 
and then the Internet is the wiring between the cells.
@doug65536 Fuck legally.
 
8:47 PM
what does that even mean? It works or it doesn't. If it works, you're right, if it doesn't, you're wrong. If someone develops an algorithm that runs more efficiently, they're more right. It's all 100% quantifiable and therefore unimaginative.
 
@Crowz Algorithms are a different thing.
 
@Crowz so you are either wrong or right, but you can be more right? dude.
 
@Crowz You have to have imagination to come up with the more efficient algorithm.
 
@Crowz Now you're talking about computer science
 
@Crowz The combinations of those algorithms on varying subsets of data can produce amazing things.
 
8:48 PM
@Crowz And even then, do you realize that algorithms often require huge creative leaps to develop them in the first place?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... then what is software development...?
 
@Crowz Not the same thing in any way at all.
 
wow what have I been doing then?
 
@Crowz I really hope that you're discovering here that you don't know what you're talking about and therefore could stand to learn some things.
 
why can't I star messages?
 
8:48 PM
Ladies and Gents, we currently are at the point when we are explaining what Software Development is
 
it says "you cannot star anymore today"
 
One thing that youth has in common everywhere is that kids don't tend to believe that they don't already know everything.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb guess why
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Did you go full retard?
 
I just tried it and it still works.
 
8:49 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb It's because you have loads of stars left in your allowance.
 
@Borgleader huh
 
@Crowz not software development, certainly. Some random keyboard mashing, possibly.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit eh. I'm really starting to think it's not even worth it. Three years at this and I have no idea what I am doing hah
 
@Crowz Three years is not a very long time
 
lmao 3 years is nothing
 
8:50 PM
Wow 3 years is a lot.
 
@Crowz Some of us has been at this for around a decade or more now.
 
What's wrong with all of you? D:
Stop being so OLD.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit three years of most other things is like going from beginner to decent intermediate
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hey, I'm only 22 (but I already know everything).
 
well if he doesn't understand nothing after 3 years....
 
8:50 PM
@DeadMG O.o I'm older than you!?!? WTF
 
@Borgleader Get shit on.
 
@Borgleader FYI, I am 20, and Zoidberg is 18
 
@Insilico and you were probably better at 3 years of trying, right?
 
if you like to never know everything due to the infinite amount of material to learn, programming is for you
 
8:51 PM
I'm younger than ALL OF YOUOO
Buahahahaha
 
(i had to put the 26 and the exclamation in two different lines for not confusing the mathematicians)
 
@Crowz Are you getting the message now? This is not "most other things"
 
... Oh wait shit I actually forgot my age again.
 
@Crowz Yeah. Because I don't have the "OMG it's so hard I'm not going to read any books because it's hard holy shit" attitude.
 
@Crowz right
 
8:51 PM
the harder it is, the more fun it is.
2
I read quantum physics books for fun
 
I'm out of stars :(
 
Okay I'm 20
 
@DeadMG That's what she said.
 
so I can't take DeadMG's starbait
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what did you want to star?
 
8:52 PM
> the harder it is, the more fun it is.
 
@DeadMG there's a difference between a fun challenge which is solvable and having absolutely no idea
 
@Crowz Yeahano, and when #2 happens, you come to the Lounge and ask someone to help you.
 
@Crowz Then you're doing the wrong thing?
 
8:52 PM
@Crowz everything is solvable.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Good call. 26! would make even me look young...
 
@Crowz You can take "easily" out of that sentence with an edit, but you can't change the fact that you put it there in the first place.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not the Halting Problem.
 
@Insilico I was going to write that
 
@DeadMG We can solve it by proving we can't solve it
 
8:54 PM
Blah
Everytime I terminate my program I get DXGI warnings.
 
oops, wrong chat window
 
Apparently there's something I'm not releasing properly. D:
 
> yeah, that fuckface
 
> the harder it is, the more fun it is
 
pwned
 
8:55 PM
point is... if it's a challenge like "draw this" it's fun because you know you can and you know multiple ways to approach it.
If someone said "make a networked 3D game" that's ridiculously hard if you have absolutely 0 clue where to even start.
 
@ThePhD Your sperm?
 
@Crowz The two are hardly comparable. One is a task. The other is 35,000 tasks.
I still don't see your point.
 
@Crowz It's called "Google it. And then download a book on it. And then spend two years working on it."
 
@Crowz The difference is that some people see that and say "Oo! A learning opportunity! Let's see what's out there" and some people say "Fuck this shit". Guess which category you fall into?
 
@DeadMG Well, the only proper release would be std::unique_ptr<Sperm, LoveOfMyLife>;
Unfortunately, I have not found that person yet.
 
8:56 PM
@Crowz They put experienced, educated people in charge of projects like that so they will have a clue of where to start.
 
goddammit people you made me miss Top Gear
 
So my sperm will always be null =[
 
you don't know of any functions that can construct a LoveOfMyLife.
 
the first one is a learning opportunity for sure, even if it's hard, there's no failure. You only learn.
Second one, if a single line is off, complete failure.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit iPlayer, nubbins.
@Crowz There are always lots of lines which are bad in games.
they're called "bugs".
 
8:56 PM
@Crowz You learn more from your failures than your successes.
 
also that
 
you don't learn shit when you do well, because you already knew everything there is to learn from your actions.
 
@Crowz I don't consider my projects that failed "failures"
 
@Insilico ya they also get 0s in school for that shit. So it's literally the same as doing nothing.
 
8:57 PM
@DeadMG Nope. The constructor was made private and it was = delete.
 
@DeadMG bandwidth, fuckwit
 
you don't have enough bandwidth for iPlayer?
 
@DeadMG I mean, I will. It's just that I feel a bit stupid. I half stayed in in order to watch it live
 
I live in a swamp and even I can watch iPlayer.
oic
 
user142019
lol
 
8:58 PM
@DeadMG I do, but at this hour it contributes to my peak-time allowance.
@DeadMG By contrast, turning on the TV does not.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you sure?
 
@Crowz They get zeros because they put it off until the last minute to get help. Not because they can't do it.
 
I see
I've never had a contract with a peak-time allowance
 
Do you live in the past?
 
well, except when I used Virgin Cable when I'd have to run it constantly downloading HD films to cap out
well, except I actually did that and I still didn't get throttled.
 
8:59 PM
Well, I think I'm going to go do something fun like house cleaning or something.
 
I'm not aware of any providers that don't have some sort of daytime cap
 
@JerryCoffin I did something fun by shoveling a shitload of snow.
 
except Virgin Media cable was pretty good IIRC
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sure, but my Virgin cap was like, 20GB 9-5.
 
@Insilico man... in university, I spent forever on programs making them right, worked alone on them instead of in a group. When I was happy with it, I submitted it. It'd come back as like, a 40%. Feels like all that effort was wasted when I could have actually learned something
 
8:59 PM
I helped a Lady get out of the driveway so she could go pick up her daughter.
 
@DeadMG Mine's 20GB 8-24 :(
 
When she left I stayed and also dug out the other side of her driveway.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit unlimited providers are gradually disappearing but they do still exist - usually ones with crappy speed
 

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