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12:00 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil Docs again. Depends on what you want to do.
 
no wonder I got 4 upvotes for that answer recently.
 
@sehe I would have checked, but i wanted to see if someone had experience with that. Alot better than checking docs
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil still haven't told us what you want to do.
 
No, it's not a lot better than checking docs.
Checking docs is a vital skill.
 
right
 
12:01 AM
From now on, all the links I put in my answers will have my ID in it... :)
 
lol
 
@Mysticial I agree. When i am actually looking for something specific. I was trying to make small talk with someone that had experience with something like that
 
@DeadMG ranked, not rated.
 
@DeadMG Lose the 'mentoring in .... and a little C' ?
 
12:02 AM
@sehe I was wondering if someone ever worked on a simple encryption/ decryption program.
 
Oh wait a minute... That article isn't a word-by-word copy/paste.
 
well, it's all too accurate to say that some C was involved.
in fact, I have 445 upvotes in the C tag.
 
The puppy didn't link it with his ID. Whoever converted the article graciously added the IDs manually.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil we probably all have
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil No, in this room, not likely. We use libraries for that :)
 
12:02 AM
@Mysticial That's quite kind of him.
 
@sehe Oh ok :D
 
@Mysticial Yeah, he stripped out the small misunderstanding.
 
@MooingDuck ??? All?
 
@MooingDuck But did you code the algorithm?
 
@sehe Replaced "mentoring" with "assisting".
 
Xeo
12:03 AM
@DeadMG Mistagged questions? :P
 
@sehe sure, though it was rediculously simple
 
@sehe I was just about to say that :)
 
@Xeo Not ones that I answered.
 
@MooingDuck Cesar's Cube?
 
you know, it's nice, my old resume felt like crap
now I read through it and I feel more like the guru I am
 
12:04 AM
@MooingDuck Would you say, in retrospect, that is was 'encryption'?
 
@sehe sure, I have low standards
@MohamedAhmedNabil I think it was just shifting all the bytes one bit over.
 
Is Google Keyczar any good?
 
right
I'mma publish this and start applying with this as my CV. That should raise a few more interviews/what have you.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Funny that you should include that search keyword there. Soooo meta
 
@sehe I'm so subtle.
 
12:07 AM
@MooingDuck I was thinking something like. Encryption that requires a key to decrypt and every encreption is differrent that the other and the key to solving lies in the key
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Wut. Did you even come as far as decided as?
 
now it's time to reply to that Google recruiter, and to that Oracle guy.
 
@sehe wut?
 
Precisely
 
@sehe i encrypt the file. The program prints out a key. To decrypt it i need to enter the key
Anyone read the book "digital fortress"?
 
12:10 AM
right
now I can sleep as to decided as to use to do what
 
> Topics range from butter overflows (...)
 
@DeadMG I think Google would be a far better idea than Oracle.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Yes.
 
heh, we have a series of enums that demark version/file sizes. They are "OLD_MAX_NUMBER", "NUMBER_600", "NEW_MAX_NUMBER", "NUMBER_700" and "NUMBER_811" I like that "new" is in the middle.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Yes
 
12:11 AM
Epic book right :D?
 
Hmmm mnom it was alright. As a book
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil No. Piece of crap.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you read that, it's time to go to sleep
Which is incidentally exactly what I'm going to do now
g'night.
 
Me too
Night
 
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Q: Visual C++ No operator ">>" matches these operands

user1661485I have been searching around for a solution to this for a while. I'm trying to use the ">>" and "<<" operators as shown below but keep getting the error "No operator '>>' matches these operands". Here are the code snippets: #include "stdafx.h" #include <iostream> #include <cmath...

 
12:21 AM
Ughh! University of Phoenix recruiters can be so annoying!
Guess that phone number gets blocked in my phone.
 
Seeing how the puppy got badges. I'm gonna shamelessly edit my answer on the matrix question to use the tracking links. (and fix a few grammar typos while I'm at it) It's got a 100% chance of making this month's stackmonthly. :)
@LuchianGrigore I'm also gonna switch the order of the links at the top and put yours first. You have a more fleshed out explanation.
 
Just got my yearling badge :)
 
12:37 AM
@AustinHenley congrats! I got mine a little over a week ago. :)
 
Anyone here uses flowcharts?
 
Hi, anyone worked with Tapestry here? :)
@Mysticial @KerrekSB @MohamedAhmedNabil @MooingDuck @R.MartinhoFernandes @Xeo Are you there?
 
Please do not spam pings like that. It's fastest way to get yourself booted from here.
 
I wanted to ping you all, but @all command doesn't work. :(
 
@Takarakaka Seems like an awesome wbstie
 
12:49 AM
I didn't mean to spam you like this, but there is no other way I can reach you except @ each member individually.
There is no @all at all.
You mean Tapestry? :) @MohamedAhmedNabil
 
@Takarakaka yea
 
Sure, check it out man! That's wanted now in the world of programming. :P
 
@Takarakaka I saw the website, but im codnig now something big. Dont wanna stop my train of thought. And its gone
 
@Mysticial Could you help me?
 
@Takarakaka Only java?
 
12:52 AM
I know nothing about what you're trying to do.
 
Yeah, Java mostly. But that's the cool thing now. Java is the best programming language in 2012 by monthly magazine "Programmers".
Now everyone is switching from Perl, Python, C++ to Java, 'cause it's a language of future, and that's what only matters here.
@Mysticial Do you know anyone who might help me?
 
@Takarakaka The Java room. This is the C++ room. We either don't know Java, or we hate it.
 
I have been to JavaScript room, and they have said that C++ room is filled with the ones who are switching to Java, who knows maybe some of them is learning Tapestry along? @Mysticial
 
@Takarakaka Java != Javascript.
And they're obviously trolling.
 
They told me that too. :( @Mysticial
 
12:57 AM
Try the PHP room. :)
 
OK, will try it there.
Thank you on your time. @Mysticial
 
@Takarakaka Da hell are you saying, No it isnt.
@Takarakaka The difference between Java and C++. Java is a helicpter mom, C++ is a mom on crack
 
Holy shit, he really went to the PHP room...
 
Meaning: Java is a begginners language, making sure that you never make a mistake. C++ is a professionals tool to give you the ability to go down into the details of the language and do stuff you couldnt with java
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil I didn't understand you very well. What is your objection here?
 
1:01 AM
@Mysticial XD
 
@Mysticial I know too, there is no one there who might help me.
@Mysticial What would be best way to ask for help on this chat?
 
I'm kinda glad I didn't get pinged.
 
@Takarakaka Java is a beginners tool. Not the language of the future by any means. The language of the futre is one that provides more ability to the programmer. Java is great to pick up the logic of programming but not too advanced to become the future language
 
@Rapptz would you be so kind and help me. :(
 
I don't know what you need help with and judging from the chat log I don't think I can.
 
1:03 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil So you are saying that it's a language of future just as I have denoted before.
 
@Mohamed you're wrong
 
distributed CVS are hell on Earth
 
@LeandroPezzente Stanford teachers say that
 
@Rapptz Is there anyone who you know and might help me in the matter?
 
Git ... please Screw Yourself !
 
1:04 AM
@Rapptz I even doubt there will be one language of the future. That will just kill programming
 
I didn't say there will be "One programming language" in the future.
Every language has their own quirks, and I find it weird that Java was even labeled the best when C# is imo a much better Object Oriented language than Java.
 
@Rapptz I was reffering to what @Takarakaka was saying
 
I think Programming Languages will probably become schizo one
 
@Takarakaka No. Sorry.
 
@Rapptz @MohamedAhmedNabil Why there is need for only one programming language? Why there is no room for other languages too? What if someone is not willing to learn one, but other? What would you tell them? :(
 
1:05 AM
And ANTLR will be in all of them
 
@LeandroPezzente Hi. How are you today? I need help, could you assist me?
 
@Takarakaka A good programmer will learn more than one programming language. You cant call yourself and expert programmer if you only know one
@Takarakaka If you are stuck and dont know what to start with. I suggest python or Java
 
@Takarakaka Dunno , Its hard to know a thesis without knowing the hipothesis
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil But what if he is not in possibility to learn the other? What if for instance in some country is forbidden to learn C++ or Java, what would you tell on that? Everyone must have possibility to learn whatever he likes, and I don't like your stance that only one programming language is enough for our programming world in general.
@LeandroPezzente Sorry, I didn't understand you. :(
 
@Takarakaka Its to give you an answer for a question I do not know
*hard
 
1:09 AM
@Takarakaka I actually said that if there was only one programming language. That would destroy programming. You said the oppisite of what i said
 
@LeandroPezzente Is there anyone who knows or who knows someone who can help me about? :(
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil I don't understand you know. You said that only good matter for us in general is to have one good programming language, while I was stating only that Java is a language of future.
 
Where's all the room owners? Half the messages in the past half-hour would've been binned already.
 
The discussion is pretty bad.
 
1:12 AM
And nonsense some of us writing here. I can't understand that someone is willing to drop all languages just because he feels it's very OK to have one based on his experiences with it.
 
@Takarakaka I said there cant be one programming language of the future. Since you said Java will be "the programming language of the future" not "one of the programming languages of the future"
I need to go now, cya
 
Adios.
 
I said "Java will be programming language of the future" and it doesn't imply that it will be one of the kind, on the contrary I noted that it will be certainly declared as one of the programming languages of the future. @MohamedAhmedNabil
 
I'm pretty sure Java use has been declining over the years.
 
Whilst you stated something very differently from my point of view.
 
@Takarakaka You plinked six users in a single message! And I have no idea who you are. That's very very rude.
I'm not here for you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes , sorry but I had to. There is not @all annotation at all. :(
 
That's even more annoying.
 
Yes! They should have implemented it long time before.
 
@Takarakaka There's a reason for that!
You didn't have to.
 
1:18 AM
There is. I need help, and it's about Tapestry, Java framework, but no one here knows that much about it, so I am left all alone over.
 
Java's success is tigthly coupled with RDBMS adoption in latest years
 
yesterday, by daknøk
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints right away, and only post here afterwards. Thank you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which has me wondering. Do we need a room owner in the US timezone?
 
@Mysticial Which one, there are 5 US time zones.
 
Or do enough of us in Europe stay up all night to always have someone in here.
 
1:21 AM
@Rapptz Read all of it. I am so interested in upvoting comments, so I will upvote yours just to see how it works.
 
@Mysticial Are any of the room owners from US time zones
I thought you and Etienne were room owners
 
@Rapptz I don't think so. I dunno where Luc is. But he's never online at this time.
 
@Mysticial Maybe.
@Mysticial Europe.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is mod? Right?
 
@Mysticial Not any more, but he used to.
 
1:27 AM
There he is! :)
Hello @EtiennedeMartel
 
Errrm, hello?
 
Is he Luc? :)
 
@Rapptz I wish I was. But one day I'll be. Mark my words.
 
Hello Luc! :)
 
I'm laughing for some reason
 
1:29 AM
@Rapptz same here
 
woah... thx
wasn't expecting that
 
see guys I nominated you and you won.
 
@Rapptz, nominate me, please.
 
1:30 AM
Pass.
 
I will be good room owner, but first will need to get into everything about ruling the chat room.
 
yo guys, I've got a question. according to this: en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/container/vector/erase. I should be able to do this: ideone.com/f76ek
right?
 
OK, so how to get owner room privelege now? @Rapptz
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How do you bin messages. That's really all I need to deal with spammers should they come again?
 
yes! @mfontanini
 
1:31 AM
@mfontanini Depends on what ideone supports.
 
so it's a bug on libstdc++? I'm using gcc 4.7
 
Just try c11
 
damn
 
If any other owners that disagree with me adding Etienne and Mysticial as owners, feel free to, whatever.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes OOH MYYYY GOOOOOODDD
 
1:32 AM
@Mysticial Room > message admin.
 
Add me @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also mention that's to get two people from the US timezones.
 
Can room owners kick people?
 
@Rapptz I suppose so. Why do you need it?
 
thanks for the help :D
 
1:33 AM
@mfontanini cbegin() is const iirc
 
@Rapptz yeah, but vector::erase takes const_iterators, so it should work
 
I tried compiling with cbegin() but it didn't work
 
@Rapptz erase takes const_ites
yea! @mfontanini
 
@Rapptz yeah, the thing is that I'm taking an iterator from something that returns a const_iterator, so I needed to use that. I did a simple iterator substracion and it worked, but I wanted to know if I was wrong
 
1:36 AM
@Rapptz if you wrap it using iterator substraction, I am pretty sure it will work.
 
@Rapptz well, the fact that gcc fails to compile it doesn't mean gcc is correct
 
oh, I don't have write access to the bin... lol that's why I couldn't find it in the list.
 
@mfontanini Try it with Clang then?
 
Clang is no good for him on this.
 
@Rapptz I don't have libstdc++ here. I believe the problem is in libstdc++
 
1:37 AM
Yep, that causes your main problem here, @mfontanini
 
"no known conversion from '__normal_iterator<const unsigned char *, [...]>' to '__normal_iterator<unsigned char *, [...]>'". it seems like iterators are messed up
 
Do you know about compilers? Just make a class that will order constraints by your wish.
 
I meant libc++ -.-
 
I deem look under Transform Worker class there and take a code and adapt it to your need.
 
@Takarakaka Will you shut up?
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1:39 AM
I didn't say a word all the time?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I need write access to the bin to bin things. lol
 
@Mysticial Why don't you just put it in an unmoderated garbage chat?
 
@Rapptz I didn't know that exists?
 
I have to sleep now. See ya all guys. :)
 
@Takarakaka this was one line of code in a small PoC I'm creating, so no need to wrap unnecessary things, just substracting is fine for me :D
 
1:40 AM
I saw one a few weeks ago. I probably remember wrong.
 
@mfontanini OK, but if you plan something bigger, it's a best thing to do like I said.
 
@Mysticial Request access and I'll do that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This guy is incredibly annoying.
 

Bin of Casual chat

Bin - But you can also chat here according to your Requirement.
 
@Takarakaka ok, I'll keep that in mind ;)
 
1:41 AM
Could put it here to test I guess or is that like not allowed
 
See ya @mfontanini . :)
 
Part of me thinks it shouldn't matter but I don't know much.
 
see ya dude
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thx
1 message moved to bin
 
user457812
Hm, now I've associated blue with inanity.. I guess that's one way of making an attribute concrete.
 
1:44 AM
So room owners can't kick people? Hm.. doesn't sound exciting.
 
user457812
Nope. Unfortunate, no?
 
I have been learning C++ for a while. but so far everthing is in the CMD. When do I start to use graphics and stuff?
 
@Rapptz They can't kick people - but they can put the room into gallery mode.. That's reserved only for the most extreme circumstances.
 
@Rapptz Yeah. You can plonk, flag or, for the most extreme cases, call a mod who'll do the kicking for you.
 
user457812
@MohamedAhmedNabil Whenever you want?
 
user457812
1:46 AM
It's not like someone is sitting there and slapping your hand away when you touch OpenGL/D3D.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Err, let me tell you, C++ isn't the most ideal thing for that.
Unless you go for 3D graphics, that is.
 
@EtiennedeMartel SFML is pretty neat :(
 
What about GUI
 
Otherwise, if you're aiming for GUI-type stuff, then there's Qt, and that's about it.
@Rapptz Meh. It's made by a Frenchman. It obviously sucks.
 
user457812
You probably want to use something else for GUI stuff, I think.
 
1:47 AM
everything in VC++ is CMD programs?
 
I like its simplicity.
 
Yeah I know.
 
user457812
@MohamedAhmedNabil No... it's just that there are better options.
 
user457812
You need to think less in black and white.
 
user457812
1:48 AM
And no, before you ask, Java is not a better option.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil You can nail a screw with a hammer, but you should really use a screwdriver.
 
You can use Winforms if you're into that kind of stuff.
 
Best GUI API I've seen is WPF, with C#.
 
You should use Lisp.
 
user457812
Yep, use Lisp. Preferably Scheme.
 
1:49 AM
@nil All what im learning works on CMD. What is the use of learning it?
 
user457812
@MohamedAhmedNabil Shouldn't you know what the use is already?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil Though it doesn't look pretty.
 
user457812
Wow, Microsoft came up with an API almost as ugly as Win32.. I'm surpr- no I'm not.
 
I guess i should finish the basics and see where i can go from there
School is coming up, so how do i keep myself from forgetting what i learnt in C++?
 
@nil Seriously, try WPF. It looks like the shiiit.
 
user457812
1:51 AM
@MohamedAhmedNabil By continuing to code during school?
 
user457812
@EtiennedeMartel I would if I still did anything for Windows.
 
I learned how to program in school during math classes, fucking around with my TI-BASIC skills.
 
user457812
I learned how to code by failing my maths stuff.
 
user457812
'Cause I decided to code instead of working on maths.
 
Am I the only one who learned how to code in class?
 
user457812
1:52 AM
Yes.
 
I mean, in an actual programming course?
 
user457812
I'm self-taught, I imagine most people who get into programming are self-taught as well.
 
@EtiennedeMartel First language? I've learned some stuff in class and others outside.
 
@Mysticial Yep. C++. ANd I mean real C++. Not C with Classes.
 
1:53 AM
Anyone else thinks that Algebra should have a requirement of math knowledge instead of considering Algebra a type of maths?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hehe.
 
user457812
Which isn't to say they didn't take classes after learning stuff, but just that their foundations and whatnot are self-taught stuff.
 
user457812
@MohamedAhmedNabil What?
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil What?
 
user457812
high-fives Rapptz
 
1:53 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh, it's going to be a while before I start binning anything @DeadMG says.
 
The build for one of our projects is now randomly breaking due to a compiler bug.
We should open a betting pool for when it will and will not break.
 
user457812
Are you proud of crashing the compiler?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't know about Canada but when I went to college the pre-requisite for C++ was C and I didn't wanna do that.
 
user457812
I love C, much as everyone else hates it.
 
@Rapptz That's bull...
 
1:55 AM
@Rapptz In Quebec, it varies immensely from school to school. The place I went to had incredibly competent teachers.
 
I don't love C. But I use it the most and I know it well.
 
@Mysticial I'm not saying I hate C, I just disagreed with the notion of making it a pre-requisite.
 
user457812
Well, it is silly to make it a prerequisite
 
@Rapptz I agree with you. Knowing C is completely irrelevant to C++.
 
user457812
Indeed.
 
1:57 AM
Learning C after C++ is reasonable. And it's indeed useful for dealing with legacy stuff. But doing the opposite? Fuck it.
 
user457812
I don't think the order really matters.
 
user457812
If you're not a nimrod, you'll be fine either way.
 
user457812
That said, a lot of CS students do seem to be nimrods
 
@EtiennedeMartel I learned C after learning basic C++.
 
@nil Do I really need to get out my arguments again, or can you simply accept defeat in advance?
 
user457812
1:58 AM
I will not agree or consider defeat.
 
user457812
So, stow it.
 
Let's get violent, then.
 
user457812
Only if I get to ride a boar.
 
What? No, we do it with swords, like gentlemen.
 
user457812
That's boring.
 
user457812
1:59 AM
We should fight with whips made of christmas tree lights.
 

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