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sbi
1:00 PM
@thecoshman "blitzkrieg"
 
@sbi s BI
 
Blitzkrieg is the name of the German military strategy during WW2
and thus is quite well-known in English
 
sbi
@Cicada There's nothing inherently wrong with being bi in the C++ lounge.
 
@sbi There's always something inherently wrong with being in the C++ lounge.
5
 
sbi
@thecoshman Finally, "Fahrvergnügen" (literally "joy of driving") was a word used in VW ads in the US in the 90s, and became somewhat famous there. (I just threw that one in for fun.)
 
1:02 PM
@sbi yes we know the word, but it's sort of funny to think of it as an Englsih word
 
sbi
@Cicada That, of course, is true. At least from the meta police's POV. But once you're here anyway, being bi is not a problem.
 
@thecoshman Englsih. Yes.
@sbi Once mine here? :)
 
sbi
@Cicada Sigh.
 
sheepish grin
 
sbi
@thecoshman It's no less English than "Linker", "Computer", "Container", "Training", "Management" etc. are German. Not much less, anyway. Maybe. Well.
 
1:04 PM
I need to spend another 5 pounds on amazon.co.uk so I can get Skyrim for €25 (€30) with free delivery. Any ideas?
 
telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
 
Old.
 
sbi
@rubenvb Is the delivery more than five bucks?
 
@rubenvb bic pens
 
How old, exactly?
 
sbi
1:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel telnet
 
Like, fucking old.
 
@sbi yeah, it's five pounds, but becomes free when you order more than 25 pounds
 
sbi
@Cicada I already said so.
 
Can you be more vague?
 
Yes. Older.
 
1:06 PM
is anno 2070 any good? I enjoyed the latest one (before the Venice thing)
 
@Cicada btw, I am still awaiting an answer :P you didn't slip paste that easily
 
@thecoshman What was the question again
 
@sbi is it what it sounds like?
@Cicada ASL - sans SL
 
@thecoshman Says on my profile.
 
1:08 PM
ergh... effort
 
sbi
@rubenvb Wait, lemme recap. Skyrim is 25, with delivery it's 30? Did I get this right? So if you spend another 5, you spend the same amount of money, but have one more item?
 
I'm not that curious
 
sbi
@thecoshman I have no idea what it is. Defeats me.
 
It's english mixed with dutch.
It's perfectly understandable if you pay attention.
 
@sbi SKyrim is 20 pounds (€25). Delivery is 5 pounds, but becomes free when I spend 5 more pounds. So I can indeed use those 5 pounds to buy something extra :)
 
1:09 PM
@sbi :O what on earth...
 
sbi
@thecoshman She admitted being in her early 20s the other day.
 
It says on my profile I'm 21 since June 1st.
Why do you care anyway.
 
@Cicada morbid curiosity
 
sbi
@thecoshman I suppose it's an elaborated Dutch joke about German. If so, it would take a Dutch speaker to decipher it.
 
1:11 PM
@sbi about German, Germans, or Germany?
 
You don't understand the text, @sbi?
 
sbi
@thecoshman German language. I suppose.
@Cicada It's like a RNG threw dices t arrange German and Dutch into some gobbledygook.
 
There €33,07 for Skyrim and China Mieville's Embassytown (hardcover).
 
@sbi Makes sense to me, with a little effort.
 
sbi
@rubenvb And you just spent 3.07 more than had you just bought Skyrim. Works every single time.
@Cicada Yeah, but you talk nothing but gibberish all day anyway.
 
1:15 PM
@sbi ¬_¬ <tentative> women
 
Your internal parsing engine sucks.
 
@Cicada <hormone related 'joke'>
 
@sbi not quite. Skyrim: £19.79, delivery: £5,98, Embassytown: £5.59. I saved 39 pence.
 
Hmm, it appears it is @StackedCrooked's birthday today.
 
and where did you learn that?
 
1:18 PM
@TonyTheLion Isn't it obvious? @Etienne has been keeping tabs on all of us and @StackedCrooked's age just incremented today XD
 
@TonyTheLion He friended me on Facebook. And Facebook just told me it's his birthday.
@rubenvb Nah, I only stalk @Cicada.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, that guy actually cites the BOFH as a source of inspiration. So it's even older than we thought. That's from when most of you still shat your diapers (and for some of you even your parents might not have met). BOFH's been famous on the Internet before I logged into Usenet for the first time.
 
@sbi Damn, there were computers back in the Ice Age?
 
I just ripped off Steam. €50 for Skyrim, pfff
 
@rubenvb Well, it sounds about right for a 8 months-old PC game.
 
sbi
1:21 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. And we were making fire by rubbing two monochrome monitors. Helluva job, I tellya.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not really; that was launch price. It's been 8 months.
I also got Diablo III for about €30 on Amazon.
 
@sbi ¬_¬
 
I can't believe publishers let themselves get ripped off by Amazon.
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh I see, FB
 
I think Steam is high on the ripoff thing, unless you really keep track of big sale events and only buy the stuff on serious sale.
 
sbi
1:23 PM
@rubenvb You still have much to learn, young man.
Publishers are seriously threatened by Amazons power. So much, that for some of them, it makes no difference whether they are listed out at Amazon, or they prostitute themselves there. Have you aver considered to buy your books elsewhere?
 
@sbi I was talking about game publishers, but I guess your point is equally valid.
 
IMO, it's a good thing
 
That being said, I buy something for the cheapest price I can find it.
 
@sbi the book depository, though, AFAIK it is owned by amazon any way
 
@sbi Amazon have a great website, good delivery, and acceptable customer service. It's just not worth my effort to explore other vendors.
 
sbi
1:26 PM
@DeadMG You might want to go and read why you are so totally wrong on this. For us, as customers, Amazon amassing powers is about as bad as it is for the authors and publishers.
 
If publishers are ripped off by Amazon, that's their fault. Then they should provide a way to buy their stuff at a competing price.
 
sbi
@rubenvb You are so naive, I can't believe you are able to type.
 
@sbi What I know is that it's impossible to self-publish a book. Amazon e-books are changing that, allowing more innovation- just like Steam is killing game publishers and opening the doors for indie games.
 
@sbi I'm not being naive. I'm not denying this is happening. I'm just saying they should rethink their business model if it's killing them.
 
but if you have any links as to how Amazon is killing books, I'd like to read them
 
1:27 PM
@DeadMG Amen to that.
 
@sbi I think it's time for you take your own medicine. Why did you plonk Alf?
 
AFAIK, kindle is a much needed "library refresh"
 
sbi
@rubenvb Yeah, and sell through some of the oh so well selling alternative online sellers, right? Oh, wait...
 
@sbi wut? Publishing != selling. Amazon == seller, publisher is something else entirely.
 
sbi
@thecoshman You might be right. Sigh. At least I tried to be funny, though.
 
1:28 PM
monopolies are bad for everyone
@sbi of course I am right :P
 
sbi
@rubenvb Sorry. Fixed.
 
@thecoshman Eh. Some are fine or even necessary.
 
And yeah, there are alternatives aplenty. You just have to use them (as publisher).
 
@DeadMG very rarely
 
true true
 
1:30 PM
@thecoshman The publishers are complaining about Amazon being a monopsony, not a monopoly
 
cant really think of any
 
wow, I've never heard of a monopsony
 
@ecatmur a what?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Except for the government's monopoly on violence, I can't think of one.
 
In economics, a monopsony (from Ancient Greek μόνος (mónos) "single" + ὀψωνία (opsōnía) "purchase") is a market form in which only one buyer faces many sellers. It is an example of imperfect competition, similar to a monopoly, in which only one seller faces many buyers. As the only purchaser of a good or service, the monopsonist may dictate terms to its suppliers in the same manner that a monopolist controls the market for its buyers. A monopsony is simply defined as an individual buying from multiple sellers. A monopoly is an individual seller selling to multiple buyers. Etymology The ...
 
1:31 PM
I think that Microsoft's effective monopoly on home consumer systems is fine.
I also think that x86 monopolising desktop and laptop systems is fine.
 
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A: uniform initialization for dynamic objects

FredOverflow both lines in main fail to compile if foo inherits from another class Ah, uniform initialization works differently for aggregates and non-aggregates: List-initialization of an object or reference of type T is defined as follows: If T is an aggregate, aggregate initialization is p...

 
@DeadMG I disagree. The alternatives would have been a lot better by now if some company invested seriously in this before the advent of Windows XP.
 
although you could argue that x86 should not be a monopoly, since AMD technically do make x86 processors
 
Bleh, I hate writing constructors whose only purpose is to initialize n members with n corresponding parameters :(
 
@rubenvb Nah. All that would have happened is that software would have fragmented.
 
1:32 PM
No, Microsoft's monopoly is not good. X86 is not really a monopoly, it's more a standard
 
@DeadMG x86 is still licensed by Intel AFAIR, so yeah, it's a monopoly.
@thecoshman patented standard.
 
what do you need from an OS? It needs to be good enough.
 
sbi
Ah, finally found it. Read this by Charles Stross (who isn't usually accused of being a backwards-looking author).
 
or licensed or whatever
@DeadMG what about the price?
 
@rubenvb If you own Windows 7, Windows 8 will cost $40.
 
1:33 PM
@DeadMG and how much did Win7 cost you?
 
nowt cause I'm a student :P
but the alternatives are only Mac, which costs for the OS and a bomb for the hardware
 
@DeadMG if other options had a look in, OS's would be free. If industry was not locked into MS so badly, it could cut the cost on more or less everything (yes vy a very small bit, but still cur the cost)
 
@DeadMG Didn't know MS gave out (desktop) OSes for free...
@DeadMG You kinda forget Linux
 
yeah
technically, it's the cheapest, but not if you value your time
 
@DeadMG oh yes, I forgot there where only two options
 
1:35 PM
the average consumer would never have the patience for a nix installation
 
I only get VS and server versions for free through Dreamspark.
 
not to mention the huge software supply problems for Linux compared to Windows
 
@DeadMG Ubuntu/Fedora fixes that.
 
@DeadMG Ubunutu, whilst not perfect, takes very little of your time, and is free. If people chose an OS like a care, it would be a very strong option
 
@DeadMG The average consumer doesn't have the patience for a Windows install.
 
1:35 PM
@rubenvb Dreamspark is the baby version. If you have a school which signs up to MSDNAA, you get a whole lot more for free.
 
@DeadMG oh. MSDN. Lucky bastard.
 
@rubenvb I don't mean actual installation. I mean just operation.
 
sbi
@rubenvb I just checked and Skyrim sells for <€25, including shipping, at ebay.de. If I wouldn't have to give up this laptop soon, maybe I'd even buy it. I certainly had a great time with Gothic II+III.
 
@thecoshman I disagree.
 
@DeadMG of course you do
 
1:36 PM
on Ubuntu, you can't even download an executable file from a trusted source and run it.
 
Foo::Foo(std::unique_ptr<int> parameter)
: member(std::move(parameter)) {}
//
Bar::Bar(std::unique_ptr<int> parameter)
{
    member.swap(parameter);
}
 
the kind of thing that we Windows users do every day and take for granted
 
^ Which of these would you prefer?
 
@DeadMG wut? Example?
 
@rubenvb Remember when I tried to download those drivers from nVidia?
 
1:37 PM
Oh here goes @deadmg again not understanding a Linux distro software repository
@DeadMG sudo apt-get install nvidia
 
for christ's sake
if you're trying to get users away from Windows
 
or through the handy Ubuntu app thing
 
then you offer them a similar interface that they expect.
 
Ubuntu has a proprietary driver app
 
and if that means offering them what Windows offers, then you do it.
 
1:37 PM
@DeadMG no.
 
@DeadMG you can, you just have to manually set it as executable, rather like on windows you have to go throguh that shitty, do you want to run this crap
 
@rubenvb Command line- no, no.
 
You should have just installed it through the handy little driver install app
It's been there since... 10 years ago.
 
@thecoshman At least the OS makes it plain and clear WTF to do.
@rubenvb Well, technically, that one was my fault since I was running in a VM and othersuch. But there's no such app for every piece of software I want to install.
 
and you can download packages and install the through GUI very easily, or use a GUI package manager
 
1:38 PM
@DeadMG The Ubuntu software center.
 
instead of opening it in a text editor like that's what it is.
 
Heck, Mac and Windows are going to have the same exact thing Linux has had for ages.
 
@DeadMG it's clear enough in linux, "this does not have executable permission", admittedly some sort of help page on what that means would be good for newbs
 
@thecoshman Nah. It opened in a text editor. That's not at all clear.
 
Google Play == Mac Store == Windows Market thingie == Ubuntu software center == Fedora thingie == etc...
 
1:39 PM
@rubenvb And I fully expect that the Windows Market will bomb.
 
@DeadMG what on earth where you doing?
 
oh, except, didn't they make it impossible to sell Metro apps any other way?
 
@DeadMG This will depend on how Windows 8 does in the tablet market.
 
@thecoshman I downloaded a file from nVidia's website saying "Here are our drivers". Then I double clicked it.
 
@DeadMG you should have checked your OSes docs
 
1:40 PM
@DeadMG no it will be the best thing every, because MS have a monopoly
 
or read the readme that comes with the driver
 
@rubenvb Nobody is going to do that.
@rubenvb Or that.
do you not know anything about users?
they do not, ever, RTFM.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb Is there even a readme with the nvidia drivers?
 
@DeadMG then it is Nvidias fault for doing things badly
 
@Xeo No.
 
Xeo
1:41 PM
I don't remember there being one
 
@DeadMG then you should have just clicked "install" on the popup that the handy little app that installs propreitary drivers for you pops up.
 
Assuming a template<T> with T being different types. Where do the different implementations of the template get generated? (aka which .o)
 
@Cicada All of them.
 
@Cicada is it not a link time?
 
Because I can't find any generated code by this fucker nvcc.
 
1:41 PM
 
@rubenvb Actually, I don't.
 
and there's even a HOWTO
But that does not take away you DID IT WRONG.
 
don't see that either
 
Xeo
@DeadMG "Additional information" tab
 
@rubenvb If the user cannot find a feature, it does not exist.
@Xeo Why would I look there?
 
1:43 PM
@DeadMG this is not fuck, the link removed my click on additional information
"This is not the NVIDIA driver you are looking for"
 
I already got everything I wanted- I see enough information to verify that they are the correct drivers, and I got a link to download them.
 
Oh wow apparently NVCC doesn't instantiate templates.
 
I'm not gonna stick around for nVidia's life story.
 
Heck, a true "user" wouldn't know he had an NVIDIA GPU.
^ see what I did there?
I took your idea of a stupid user and applied it.
Ubuntu tells you: hey, install this driver cause you need it.
 
nah, vendors advertise their GPU models.
 
1:44 PM
Then you click "install driver"
reboot
 
but of course, if you consider cars, there is no standard on which side the fuel cap is. Thus, you will have to take the time to check with your car, rather then just ramming the fuel hose into the side of your car and saying "every other car I've had, it was on this side"
 
and presto.
I never saw Windows install a driver for a new GPU that came out after a Windows release.
 
@thecoshman Having them on varying sides serves a very useful purpose, and it's common knowledge.
 
One of the joys of computing is that not everything is exactly the same for everything, you have to take 5 seconds to just think about wtf you are doing
 
@thecoshman No- one of the joys for you. The rest of us just want our damn software.
 
1:45 PM
But I'll stop this fruitless discussion.
 
@DeadMG not being able to run any bit of code from source, on every machine is common knowledge. At least, it should be
 
@thecoshman Of course it shouldn't.
 
@Cicada you sure you're not missing an explicit template instantiation? :p
 
@DeadMG what purpose?
 
users expect that, when they download a program, to run it/install it, they double click it.
if you violate that rule, then you're out.
 
sbi
1:47 PM
@rubenvb :(
 
@DeadMG Mac users don't expect that. They use Mac crapware all day.
 
ok, I meant "90% of all desktop users who run Windows". Sorry.
 
@DeadMG smartphone/tablet users don't expect that.
 
@sbi lame copied-all-over-the-place joke.
 
@ecatmur They aren't considering switching from Windows to Linux.
 
1:47 PM
Hey I was going to stop ths discussion. Now backup shows up
 
:4443209 lol lol lol
 
sbi
 
@rubenvb They're visible everywhere.
 
0
Q: member taking ownership of parameter

FredOverflowI see two reasonable solutions to the problem of a member taking ownership of a parameter: Foo::Foo(std::unique_ptr<int> parameter) : member(std::move(parameter)) { } Bar::Bar(std::unique_ptr<int> parameter) { member.swap(parameter); } Which of these is more idiomatic, easier ...

 
1:49 PM
@Cicada Switch to opencl and use AMD's compiler for that :P
It's said to be awesome for just about any CPU/GPU/whatever.
 
I can't, sadly :(
Before the project started there were long trolls discussions on whether we should go for CUDA or OpenCL. CUDA was chosen.
Can't really go back now.
 
besides @DeadMG you are clearly ignoring the fact that modern debian system allow you to download a package and install, just like you can install software on windows. Except, it is done in a consistent way. And you can still download a single executable program and run it, you just have to set permissions first, roughly like you do on windows
 
@thecoshman What you're ignoring is that I like Chrome.
no, really
 
Chrome is on Linux too.
 
why would I dig into my operating system's guts to try and find something that's like Chrome but it can only find software to download, and has some interface I've never seen before?
 
1:52 PM
@DeadMG ... your point?
 
browser > package manager
 
@DeadMG browser <-> package manager.
 
@DeadMG what on earth? Chrome is on linux
 
and I'm pulled in again...
 
@thecoshman Also, Windows does not require you to set permissions. You just have to click "next". Once.
 
1:54 PM
@rubenvb browser != package manager
 
sometimes
 
@DeadMG installing a package != downloading a running a single executable file
 
@thecoshman My point is that nobody is going to start looking for a piece of software they don't need and have no reason to believe exists.
@thecoshman You're right- installing a package involves doing a whole bunch of unfamiliar things for no perceivable benefit.
 
ugh
I'm very close to plonking @DeadMG.
 
if I even know that the package manager exists
 
1:55 PM
@DeadMG how does that relate to the fact that the lazy installation of software is now easy to do on linux?
 
@rubenvb Hey, I'm being perfectly calm and pleasant.
 
@DeadMG: Which is one of the first thing you are being told when installing Ubuntu.
 
@thecoshman lazy installation?
@ereOn Didn't come up for me.
 
@DeadMG no it doesn't If you want, you can just go to a web site, download a .deb and install what ever software it is for
 
@DeadMG No. But you wouldn't understand.
 
1:56 PM
@DeadMG: Perhaps you clicked "Next" too fast then.
 
@DeadMG not having to manually move files, set permissions, add things to start up etc
 
@ereOn Common knowledge that users do not read what you tell them
@thecoshman Never had to do any of that on Windows.
although I think that Ubuntu did want me to shit around with permissions...
 
@DeadMG nor do I on linux
 
@DeadMG: So you can't expect them to read anything, but you can expect them to search for installers on the Internet ? What kind of flawed logic is that ?
 
@DeadMG then you thought wrong
 
1:57 PM
me on a good day :) :P
 
@ereOn well, the dumb user is not thinking about 'packages' they just want there interview viewer
 
@ereOn The kind where it mirrors actual user behaviour
 
Xeo
 
@TonyTheLion And on a bad day? You bite that lamb's head off?
 
searching for installers on the Internet is simple, it's easy, it takes place in their totally familiar browser, and they're totally familiar with where to go to get what they want and how the interface works
 
Xeo
1:58 PM
You on the day after that
 
@EtiennedeMartel yea lol
 
reading popups is just annoying, though
 
@DeadMG and can work just as well on linux, assuming you can comprehend the notion that you are not on windows and need to also request software fro your OS
 
@DeadMG: Searching for installers on the internet leads to untrusted softwares installation.
 
@thecoshman that's way more effort than it's worth
if you are in the minority position by miles, like Unix is to Windows, and you want to attract Windows users, then the very first thing you have to do is make people's habits from Windows work like they expect them to. Anything else is just going to make people stick with Windows because changing to Unix is too much effort.
 
2:01 PM
@DeadMG just like it is way more effort to remember that you have a diesel car not a petrol car like almost everyone else? or that you fuel cap is not on the same side as the last car? or that you actually have a four door now
 
@thecoshman Not when you could simply ... keep using your previous car which functions perfectly.
 
@DeadMG Changing to Ubuntu is very easy, as long as you are able to comprehend the notion you are not windows
@DeadMG ah, but your car is about to get outdated, and you are no longer able to get repairs done. keeping a petrol car is too expensive
any way, coffee time
 
right, but if you want to make a user change their habits, you are going to have to offer something compelling. Unix has nothing to justify that.
 
Uniz no, Linux how ever is FREE
 
@DeadMG or violence... Violence works too
 
2:03 PM
@DeadMG Linux > Unix. Unix does not have a GUI, Unix does not have a package manager.
 
@jalf Heh, very true.
 
@thecoshman For most people, Windows is free too
3
They get it with their computer, or they pirate it, or they get it from work or school
 
@rubenvb I actually don't really know the difference. Just replace "Unix" with "Linux". The point is the same, though.
@thecoshman No it isn't, because I'mma have to invest my time into learning all those new things.
 
And I just can't ignore this discussion based on fail logic.
 
@thecoshman also, "free" doesn't really matter. Lots of things are free. STD's, not getting a car, hitting your head against a wall. Simply "being free" does not make it a good thing
 
2:09 PM
@jalf wrong kind of free. Libre hits it better
 
^ Used to be the main fallacy reference.
 
2:20 PM
Anyone have any experience with ADO/WCF data services?
Bummer. This C# stuff, it's terribly annoying.
 
Hey guys, care to take a stab at this question? I've been battling it since Friday

stackoverflow.com/questions/11397029/error-instantiating-class-template-with-bool-non-type-parameter
 
Xeo
@Olumide HAS_NATIVE_SUPPORT is not a compile-time constant expression
you need to initialize it inline in the class for that to be
static const bool HAS_NATIVE_SUPPORT = true;
 
static const bool HAS_NATIVE_SUPPORT = true;
 
@Xeo I thought only integers could be initialized inline
 
Xeo
bool is an integral type
 
2:28 PM
integer types
 
Xeo
same with char
 
@DeadMG Why? Would expect something different from me?
 
I usually view you as a selfish, unhelpful, obstructive bastard who can't stop cacking on about how awesome he is
 
Talking to the mirror again, are you
 
@Xeo Thanks! ... Is there a reason why integral types can't be initialized outside a class (like say doubles) in order for them to be compile time constants?
 
Xeo
2:32 PM
Jul 5 at 15:34, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Exhibit A: I'm awesome.
Atleast the last part is correct!
 
Stupid design question: would it be cleaner to have ClassA and ClassB or Class<A> and Class<B>?
 
Xeo
@Olumide Because those could be initialized at runtime through a function.
 
@Xeo Show me he 'can't stop cacking' :)
@Cicada duh. context needed
 
Xeo
imagine const bool a_class::HAS_NATIVE_SUPPORT = compute_if_native_support_available();
 
In general, I'd say ClassA and ClassB is way cleaner. Especially if ClassA is a file and ClassB models a customer entity
 
Xeo
2:34 PM
@Olumide And it's not just about integral types, doubles can be initialized perfectly fine too in-class.
 
if I call:
SetItemValue(262, 0, 5180) to
SetItemValue(/*[in]*/ short ItemID, /*[in]*/ short InfoType, /*[out]*/ long ItemValue, /*[out,retval]*/ long* pVal)

is pVal = NULL?
 
@Xeo They can?
 
@klut Whoa. Hello. How are you?
 
@Cicada passed that, the former
 
2:35 PM
hi @sehe
 
I should invest in a copy of the standard
 
Oh I see you talked before. I'll just ignore the random code snippet
 
Xeo
4 hours ago, by rubenvb
@DeadMG @RMartinhoFernandes' profile page
 
@Olumide See @RMartinhoFernandes's profile page, again
 
why? isn't c++-faq one of the rooms tags?
 
2:36 PM
@klut seriously?
 
Xeo
@klut Err, yes, but that's about the tag on SO, which originated here.... it's not about us being a helpdesk for C++ questions
 
aye
 
Jun 29 at 10:37, by thecoshman
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints and keep the acronym list under your pillow. Thank you.
 
Sigh. C# chat is useless for C# answers, apparently.
"It's easy to do, just come back to it"
 
SO is the best place for answers.
 
2:43 PM
"Plenty of great MSDN articles on this"
 
@SamDeHaan lol, shoot away :P
 
@thecoshman Yeah, I've got a little meeting to go to, will probably SO it after I get back.
 
sigh, I keep closing this tab. I would pin it, but I like to see when new messages pop up. Maybe I should get some sort of favicon changing extension
 
Karsperky keeps telling me that I should really turn it on.
 

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