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2:00 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Well i disagree, I don't agree with Joe on that point (Sorry Joe) , But the point about it all is until a person has a reasonable understanding of what hardware does when it runs a program, pointers are a hard grasp to get, Simply, it's a variable that holds the beginning point in memory of what ever type it's pointing to, Now , to understand that concept one has to understand memory to begin with, and the whole von Neuman architecture to a degree
 
yea understanding hardware definitely helps in the understanding of pointers
 
One needs to have a solid understanding of what a computer is and how it works in order to produce good code.
 
found that out through personal experience
 
Everyone can write code. Everyone can strike a chord on the guitar, but you need to become one with it.
 
@DomagojPandža Mmmm, I somewhat disagree.
 
2:01 PM
@DomagojPandža agreed
 
people need to know how a computer executes the code they've written.
you don't need to understand parts which are abstracted away
 
@DeadMG Sometimes, you do.
 
you may not need to understand it, but it does help a lot if you do
 
Yeah, that would be the minimal subset of understanding computer operation
 
unless you design CPUs at Intel, you can only understand about 1% or less of how the CPU actually works, anyway
 
2:02 PM
But understanding more certainly helps visualize the process, makes you more confident and shit
 
oh yeah
 
well, an overview of what a CPU does, is not harmful understanding to a programmer
 
all I'm saying is that you only need to understand the CPU's interface
not it's implementation
 
@johnathon Well, I disagree with your disagreement :) Simply because I can see it with my own eyes on my sister :)
 
@TonyTheLion nope, neither is knowing how to use a little user space assembler either
 
2:03 PM
Yeah I agree that a race-car driver doesn't need to understand fluid dynamics and shit in combustion engine just to be a PERFECT racer.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Your sister has to have an understanding of the hardware, and for her to have that she has to have an interest in programming, and the machine in general, Considering she lacks both your point is mute
 
@johnathon I wasn't referring to pointers right now, but to "inability to grasp concepts".
 
and you only need to understand those parts of the interface that you use
 
@DeadMG Yeah that would work for the motoracer guys too. They can use the abstraction very masterfully.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Can you grasp the concepts of Art that your sister does?
 
2:05 PM
IMO, it's very important for people to accurately analyze what they don't need to know and skip wasting time on it
all the time you spend learning something you don't need to know, you could be spending it learning something you do need to know, or fixing bugs or someshit like that
 
@johnathon Yes, I can ;) She's a journalist / writer, I'm very interested in languages.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Then she has no need, nor interest, to grasp any language, aside from possibly html
 
Yeah, there's only so much you can learn, know, understand, etc...
@johnathon That's very correct, and it's very good that she has no need to, simply because I can tell you for fact she wouldn't be able to. And also, I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I'll tell you a little secrete dude, I have an aunt who's about the dumbest rock in a box of rocks. She went off to school to learn to program, and she worked hard and did well, Well enough to land her a job doing UI code for a software company. She up and moved her bumb ass husband and kids off to where she's working. She did good, Im proud of her, But point is Going into that endeavor EVERYONE had serious doubts of her ability to do any of it
@ScarletAmaranth To even grasp what a pointer is for that matter, but she did.. She managed to do it. Now, She had an interest , and a desire to do it, Something that someone like your sister lacks. Something tells me though that your sister is perfectly CAPABLE of it , she just lacks the DESIRE
 
Precisely, it's just a desire to do something.
 
2:12 PM
@johnathon Well, since I don't know your aunt and you don't know my sister, I don't quite think this conversation would be of any relevance :) And maybe you're right about the desire, but she's incapable of developing the desire to such things :)
desire for ?
 
Anything.
if you want it, you can do it.
 
@ScarletAmaranth "incapable of developing the desire for such things" i'll agree with
 
Anything else, is just a lazy man's excuse.
 
I mean
desire to / desire for :)
I typed desire to and then I realized it may be incorrect. It's too hot outside for my English module to be functioning properly :)
 
2:13 PM
:))
 
Harr harr, summer is a real bitch, I need to move to some place colder.
 
@ScarletAmaranth where are you now?
 
@johnathon Slovakia
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yea, im in the USA, Tennessee...... it's a bit warmer here than it is there man
@ScarletAmaranth but all the same i can tell you my Spanish module blows irregardless of heat/cold/confusion
 
@johnathon The problem is our distance from any larger volumes of water, such as oceans and shit :P I can literally feel the air being more difficult to breathe.
 
2:18 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Possibly. Of course Redmond , WA isn't all that far from an ocean :-"
 
I'm picturing myself somewhere in Sweden or possibly New Zaeland :P
 
if i had a vote in the matter i'd vote new zeland
(Sweden's laws are a little askew (think Julian Assange) )
 
My vision is this: "Head north and west. :P"
 
czech rep, germany, denmark, or UK
how much west?
:))
 
@ScarletAmaranth You are eaten by a grue.
 
2:25 PM
It's just a general direction :P Czech republic, never though :P We used to be czechoslovakia till 1993, but it's the same shizz economically&&weather-wise.
@DeadMG Grue ?
 
it's a reference
 
Oh, not to mention that the language is the same. If you speak slovakian, you speak czech by default.
 
a grue ?
 
11 mins ago, by ScarletAmaranth
@DeadMG Grue ?
A grue is a fictional predator that dwells in the dark. The word was first used in modern times as a fictional predator in Jack Vance's Dying Earth universe (described as being part "ocular bat", part "unusual hoon" and part man). Dave Lebling introduced a similar monster, whose name was borrowed from Vance's grues, into the interactive fiction computer game Zork, published by Infocom. Zork's grues fear light and devour adventurers, making it impossible to explore the game's dark areas without a light source. The grue subsequently appeared in other Infocom games. Due to Zork's prominent...
 
2:39 PM
Ohh, that makes sense now.
Also:
Oh snap, the one-boxing messes the beautiful mspaint font.
 
I feel the need to design an IM protocol.
 
@RadekSlupik After you do the MacOS impl. of the window platform, you can write inter-player chat for Kyrostat? :P
 
@DeadMG I can.
Except for the UI.
I suck at graphics.
@DeadMG The game loop. Will that be a for(;;) { … } or with a callback?
 
@RadekSlupik I expect something akin to while(OSDidNotRequestApplicationTermination())
 
Ah k.
Using a callback is about a trillion billion gazillion times easier to implement on Mac OS X, but I'll figure it out.
 
2:48 PM
Well, you do use callbacks which react on messages, be it user or system. The system can also request termination, like a player can.
and the loop sees that and says goodbye
 
well, talk to the Windows and Unix people
if they want a callback too or don't mind, then write a callback
not my job to tell you three how to make something that works for all of you
 
Yeah, figure out the abstraction first, then make it work under the hood.
 
The window I already have.
 
I personally probably won't be writing much code w.r.t that interface so it's not really my business :P
 
I can propose an interface.
 
2:53 PM
well, you really need to talk to kbok and thecoshman, who will be implementing it on Windows and Linux, respectively
and get something that can work for all of you to implement
 
@RadekSlupik can we talk on irc ?
 
@kbok Let me install an IRC client. What channel and server?
 
Oh ok.
 
freenode / #kyrostat
There's a web client on the freenode website
 
2:56 PM
If your computer can run VS2010, then you definitely have more than 1548 kB of memory. — Mysticial 26 secs ago
 
What's the username? I need to enter a username.
 
Pick one.
 
> -NickServ- clounge is not a registered nickname.
> == #kyrostat Cannot join channel (+k) - bad key
 
oh yeah
you need to connect without a channel specified
 
2:58 PM
then it's /join #kyrostat key
the web form doesn't allow for entering the channel, irritatingly
 
Got it.
 
 
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4:46 PM
folks
 
too quiet here
 
5:02 PM
A small lad is lady?
 
i thought lads are boys and ladies are girls
 
Yeah, but girls are smaller than boys!
It's all coming together now.
 
@Mysticial Kyrostat has killed the Lounge.
@ScottW Yeah, but we're on IRC now.
 
5:21 PM
IRC? Where?
what the fuck is kyrostat.com ?
@DeadMG it says "requires a keyword" when I wanna join #kyrostat
 
because it's for team members only
and you are not on the team
 
:(
what team is it
 
Ell
can anybody recommend a book on set theory for a non cs student? as in would be able to read and understand it all?
 
the Kyrostat team
 
Ell
anyone read this?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Set-Theory-Independent-Introduction/dp/0412606100/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
aghh any compsci grads/undergrads in here?
nobody here?
 
5:51 PM
I think they've all been distracted by some project
 
Ell
:S oh :/
 
the impression I get is that they've all gotten wrapped up in whatever that is
 
Ell
yeah. what irc channel?
i mean, server, if you happen to know?
 
No idea, am not in it
oh hang on
someone mentioned #kyrostat
try that, otherwise no idea
 
Ell
yeah, I tried that on freenode but nobody is there so don't know what server :S
ooh nevermind i spelled it wrong
hmm it needs a keyword
 
5:55 PM
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Q: C++ : vector.erase(this)

SteveLin my game a have a std vector that holds all the objects (with Polymorphism) and this vector is passed to them in every frame, so every object can access other objects . My question is how an object can delete itself from the vector ? like vector.erase(this) (this dosent work) Or is there any...

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dis dota2 be ruined by leavers oh boy
 
Ell
haha
 
@Cicada wasn't dota2 the game they were talking about variable pricing for people based on how fun your are to play with?
 
that's an awesome idea
 
5:57 PM
@awoodland That's right, I think they're trying out the idea (you can "commend" players)
For the moment you don't pay for that
 
@Cicada DotA2 will be ruined by douchebags, like any DotA-like out there.
 
Ell
what are logical connectives? (∧, ∨, ¬, →, ↔)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah but there are different levels of douchebagness
LoL < HoN < DotA
Sorted by increasing douchebaggery
 
@EtiennedeMartel there's an easy work around to that - only play with friends and don't make friends with douchebags
 
Yeah. Or I could play a game like SC2, where douchebags are frowned upon to the point that raging is probably going to get screenshots on a forum for people to laugh at.
 
6:00 PM
idiots, on the internet?
 
DotA-likes are a little piece of Xbox Live on the PC.
 
I've only really been playing Battlefield 3 lately
and that is variable, there are definitely idiots there
 
Ell
I only play minecraft, spring
 
Sure. What I'm saying is that raging entitled teenagers are the norm on games like LoL, and the exception on games like SC.
 
heh, there's an idea
make a game invite-only
and if someone is banned, the person who invited them is banned too
 
Ell
6:05 PM
how about a rep system for online gaming?
after every game you can -1 a player, or +1 them
 
I see that going two ways
people get -1ed for -1ing someone
 
Ell
who would do that? o.O
 
or you get banned from people's servers for not +1ing everybody
if you're good, you get -1ed
Basically, I see it being abused by the people it's designed to stop
 
Ell
yeah
it seems to work on s.e. though :L
 
people on S.E. are by and large either intelligent, productive individuals, or noobs who ask one stupid question then disappear
 
6:08 PM
There's also those that are students and ask a ton of weird to interesting to downright lucky-smart questions
<- me
 
Well, in general the intention is to use the system productively
whereas in online gaming a significant minority are people who spend their lives abusing everything
 
@TomW s/productive//
 
@Cicada ...huh?
 
They are not productive. Proof here
2
 
lc people do cool stuff
If they were teenagers from online gaming, we'd just be calling each other fags all day
 
6:12 PM
@TomW Ohoho well that's what I do
I stopped because it bothers people here
 
@Cicada Didn't know you were such a fag, not calling people fags and shit.
 
my work here is done
 
Ell
I hate the word "fag" it is so vulgar and disgusting
 
last time I checked, Friday was not today :P
 
Guys not this topic again!
 
Ell
6:18 PM
which topic? whether or not it is friday? :L
 
@Ell "fag" = "cigarette" in the UK.
 
Ell
@rubenvb I know, I still hate the word
 
but I wasn't saying @Cicada was a "cigarette", obviously...
 
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Ell
much like I dislike the pgrase "moist foot" or, "horse's knee scab". They bring about distasteful imagery
 
6:21 PM
@Ell fungal ballsack.
That's another one that'll trigger dirty images
 
Ell
yeah :L
 
I have 2 Notable Questions and 5 Nice Answers.
 
Ell
argh don't you hate it when your monospace font somehow becomes non-monosapce?
 
@Ell then it's not a monospace font now, is it?
 
@rubenvb it is also a derogatory word for gay people
 
Ell
6:26 PM
I mean when the font is monospace, but the IDE messes up somehow
 
@thecoshman Or "Sissy", "Wus", "Loser", etc...
 
Ell
6:38 PM
you could distribute a webserver?
 
@LearningSlowly rewrite it in C++. Mind you: comparisons are strict in C++.
@LearningSlowly haha good one.
 
Anyone who recommend a good book on how the network works?
 
haha nice one.....not
 
It's as good an answer as your question was clear.
 
Ell
6:43 PM
@LearningSlowly seriously, you can't do that, stop trolling!
 
Do I seriously need to write Computer Networks in order for you to understand my question?
 
@LearningSlowly you're in big trouble. Why did you take the assignment/job?
well, you should have said it's impossible to rewrite it that quickly.
And you might get there by your deadline. Note you'll have to know C++ at least a little. And your app will probably suck and be buggy as hell.
The book is available as a free ebook (legally)
Qt is free as well, but it will cost you for commercial development
 
@LearningSlowly I care and if it's GPL violations gpl-violations.org will hunt you down
 
Ell
@LearningSlowly if you have such a deadline, consider using something other than c++, like .net
yes...?
 
Yes, no matter how many :O you use
 
Ell
6:49 PM
winforms/wpf?
 
Also, I don't care about piracy, but please don't come cry when your own app gets pirated
 
I don't like this discussion.
SO should care about piracy.
I'm flagging
 
@rubenvb +1 How about we troll on MS
 
piracy is not offensive
 
I find GPL piracy offensive.
 
6:52 PM
@rubenvb Keep in mind that country laws are above gpl
 
@Cicada Why did you suggest .Net anyways. It's written by MS XD
 
Fuck your smileys
This one looks like an accordion
That one is pure operators
 
is India a signatory to the Berne convention?
 
I just figured out there's no software patents in India, but that does not affect Copyright (on which GPL is based)
 
6:54 PM
Awoodland I voted for you as mod, so you better marry me right now!
 
@Cicada thanks! I'm fairly sure my wife might complain about that though!
 
@awoodland I'll have a talk with her and I'm pretty sure she'll understand!
 
@Cicada So all I have to do is run for office at SO?
 
@rubenvb That's a good option, yes
 
@Cicada Didn't know you were so easy.
 
6:56 PM
@LearningSlowly is that one of those "slinky" kids toys that walk down the stairs?
 
@rubenvb It's pretty hard to get there actually
 
@LearningSlowly emoticons are surprisingly culturally dependent
 
@awoodland Yes! Russians tend to use ) a lot
 
someone did a research talk on how variations in emoticons can relate to understanding emotion in images (in computer vision)
I can't remember much other than smiley faces and eyes from it though
 

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