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7:00 PM
@Cicada It's not as hard as you might think. I'm halfway there. Just need to spend some time on Meta <shudders>
 
@rubenvb It's not as easy as you might think! Still halfway to go
 
@Cicada lol. Getting scared are we? :P
 
@rubenvb Oh no, not at all
Your use of "foreigners" makes me chuckle
Who says I don't already have one? It's not your business
 
Who says she's into boys?
 
Excellent question
 
7:03 PM
@rubenvb it is now used as such, but it's roots lie with insulting gay people
 
I'm flagging that
 
+1
 
Goodbye
 
I'm going to have to figure out this "ignore list" thing.
Never had the want/need to use it until about two weeks ago.
 
Same here
Thanks to the puppy
 
7:06 PM
hanarete itte kudasai
 
@Mysticial google translates that to "RTTI" which is slightly odd
 
I laughed
 
and no I don't speak Japanese - though I wish I could...
 
I'm going to Japan in October.
 
Who's that character in your avatar btw Mysticial?
 
7:09 PM
@Cicada Rio from Sora no Woto.
 
Have you guys been keeping his troll as a pet?
 
@Reno we guys are flagging him
 
@Reno We've respectfully flagged all offensive and spammy messages to the best of our abilities.
 
@Mysticial I think she's a cool character. She reminded me a little of Reki from Haibane Renmei.
 
This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
 
7:11 PM
He's been here for a long time now... I can tell he is of Indian origin.
 
@Reno oh really
And he's gotten me mad
 
He was a sick jerk. Plain and simple.
 
TIM
TO THE RESCUE
 
Yay!
 
@TimPost, kinda obvious what you came for. yay!
 
7:13 PM
Caps lock? Yes, it was worth it
 
The unicorn moderator!
 
Hey did you do the USB thingy?
 
Looks like an ape to me
 
@Cicada he mentioned unicorns at one point IIRC.
 
user50049
There's strange, and then there's that.
 
7:14 PM
Don't underestimate the power of India
 
Ah, it was another mod
Jun 4 at 13:45, by Octavian Damiean
jumps on his unicorn and flies away
 
user50049
If that user comes back under a different name, please ping me here, I'm leaving this open.
 
Well people here are mostly homophobic. even the media. especially the media.
 
@Reno "People here" wat?
 
I'm from India.
 
7:16 PM
@TimPost that's a curious thing to say out of the blue
 
user50049
@awoodland I saw no value in that user being able to access chat in the immediate or distant future.
 
@TimPost Did you do something to him? It doesn't say suspended anymore on his profile.
 
Even in the past, to be fair
 
-_-
 
@TimPost ^
 
7:20 PM
...................
 
/r/ing Thor's hammer
 
@LearningSlowly I'm not convinced that's the kind of comment you can make "OK" with a smiley
 
@TimPost Are you seriously calling this "banned"
Or is this the very distant future already?
 
@Cicada He's probably in the process of "taking care of his account".
Yeah...
 
It takes a while. Yep.
 
7:23 PM
:4152097 We're losing a 29 rep, homophobic racist macho user. What a loss!
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@Mysticial Oh, I see
 
This account is temporarily suspended for rule violations. The suspension period ends on Jul 31 at 19:21.
 
Who's that tool?
 
user50049
Buhbye.
 
That's the first time I've seen someone get burminated live in Lounge<C++>. Starring TinkerTim.
 
Someone actually did this to me on meta. He was banned for a year. (Thank you Tim)
 
7:26 PM
@Reno What did the person do to you?
 
Was typing that
 
user50049
Apparently, my first action did not send a clue. I always like giving people an escape route from jackassery.
2
 
user50049
It's likely that this individual will just make a new account and eventually wander in here. If that happens, ping me and flag.
 
The everything that LearningSlowly did + creeping on my account all over the internet + death threats. He was obsessed with me for some reason.
 
user50049
And well, above all else, carry on, carry on. Also , AWOODLAND FOR META COP!!!
8
 
7:30 PM
@TimPost Oh yes, "my hole" can't wait to meet him again!
 
@TimPost Manjot has been using this account now, but I guess you already know that.
 
user50049
@Reno Yeah, that's just .. creepy. I'm going to do some checks, I'm sure there's more to find.
 
> "all over the internet"
Do you use the same nick everywhere, by chance?
 
Yeah :(
 
Hm, well, that's kind of a "mistake"
 
7:32 PM
@Cicada Oh my god. I have the privilege to look into history to see what has been said. I apologize on behalf of the internet.
 
LearningSlowly will probably do something similar. Banning them will only serve to make them more obsessed.
 
@sehe My hole and I are still in shock
2
 
@Cicada Zing!
 
Hello
 
@Reno That's why social news sites like Reddit have what are called "hellbans" or "ghostbans".
The troll's posts are invisible to everyone but moderators. But every effort is made to make the troll think everything is normal.
 
7:35 PM
@Mysticial does that really work in practise?
 
So the troll can keep on trolling forever - and no one will ever see it.
 
I sort of assumed they'd twig sooner or later and open a new account or reconnect their modem
 
@awoodland Apparently it does because both Reddit and HackerNews have this policy. However, it does backfire a bit on PR.
 
I think Jeff said the he will never allow such bans on SO, in some podcast.
 
@Mysticial I love this idea
So wicked
 
7:36 PM
Ghost-banning is a form of deception. Which doesn't run well with a lot of people.
 
the thing that makes me uneasy is that people could go through their entire life without getting called up for being a douche
 
You are deceiving the person you are ghost-banning. And it can be a big issue when someone gets falsely banned.
 
Why so polite :)
Here's inspiration for a next time, should it ever happen :)
hot-toite kure [bugger off!]
tachi-sare [leave before I break your nose]
atchi Ike [go that way!]
kaere [go home]
 
@awoodland Life is by definition (or property?) unfair
 
7:38 PM
@sehe That was only after the first troll message.
 
:4152185 I don't actually speak Japanese. This is just google serving me well
 
36
A: Is there going to be a process around hellbanning?

wafflesHellbanning, slowbanning, errorbanning, and randombanning are all things we have never experimented with and do not intend to. It is very hard to make the argument that using extreme evil to battle evil makes the internet better. Our current measures of banning and stopping the huge flow of e...

 
@Mysticial I do understand. Really, myself, I just prefer to stay polite, even if the situation goes out of hand.
 
Me neither, but I watch a lot of Japanese movies and stuff.
 
Oh man, I can't imagine what it'd be like to be question "hellbanned".
You ask 100 questions, nobody ever answers it.
 
7:39 PM
@Cicada it's not so much them, but the people around them - I'd rather see more people get called out for being jerks rather than falling into that awkward trap where everyone ignores the rasist/sexist/homophobic. If you ignore it you can't discredit arguments or make it known that something is not acceptable
 
@Mysticial Can't you just tell by using a proxy?
 
@Mysticial point in case:
Jun 1 at 9:37, by sehe
@Neerad I'm gonna say this nicely. I'm also going to say this just once
 
@awoodland On the internets it's very difficult to maintain "order" the way it's doable IRL
 
@Cicada Yes, you can. That's the primary weakness. Different ip address - and you can check if your posts are visible.
>> (There is one additional form of hellbanning that I feel compelled to mention because it is particularly cruel – when hellbanned users can see only themselves and other hellbanned users. Brrr. I'm pretty sure Dante wrote a chapter about that, somewhere.)
 
@Cicada I think the idea is to use an account-based hellban? If it is hard to detect, there would be little reason for a abusive user to change accounts
 
7:44 PM
@Cicada true, but hellbans just say "no one gives a damn" whereas suspension or similar says "if you can't at least pretend to be civil then we don't really want to know you" (assuming they don't realise about the ban, but if people do realise about the ban then it's useless)
@Mysticial wasn't that the max payne 3 anti-cheat system announced recently?
 
@awoodland I'm not familiar with that game.
 
@Mysticial I've not played it but I think it was on slashdot/here/theregister recently
 
I'm going to invent new HTTP status codes: 508 NOT MY FAULT and 208 WORKS FOR ME
6
 
What's that kyrostat about?
 
8:00 PM
an rts game that is being made by regulars of this lounge
in our spare time, that is to say
 
22
Q: Revisiting the rep cap (yes, again)

Jon SkeetTL;DR: The rep cap system isn't as effective or fair as it might be. I'm proposing one alternative for comment, and would welcome other suggestions too. Disclaimers I'm pretty sure the rep cap hits me harder than anyone else (pretty often over 1000 points in a day), so a change could easily be ...

^ anyone followed that?
The Skeet still 'worries' about rep caps
 
@sehe I am. Since I'm against anything that puts a per-post cap.
 
> The current system is designed to reward continued participation, but not to the point that it creates obsession.
I actually got obsessed when I registered \o/
 
Reason 1: I have a lot to lose with a per-post cap.
Reason 2: Not all posts are equal. Some are much better than others. If there's a cap, then they're all the same.
 
user50049
My gripe with that is 'since it hasn't changed it must be wrong' .. sometimes you do get things right the first time
 
8:05 PM
@TonyTheLion Ah okay, sounds nice :)
 
@Mysticial Daily per-post cap would make a tiny bit of sense, though. A general answer-cap, not so much. Perhaps we should start weighing votes. Only votes from highreps would count (thus removing the slashdot/reddit/twitter/technews etc effect
I haven't read a single line of Skeet's post yet, perhaps I should read it now
 
@sehe I'm torn on weighted votes. Since I rep is a poor indicator of expertise.
 
I don't see a problem with the current system particularly and a cap based on the age of a post is horrible since it discourages answering low traffic things or improving older posts
 
lol, of all people Skeet isn't the one needing to worry about rep cap
 
@Mysticial Well, I was thinking of the first indicator of 'non-random visitor-ness' I could name
 
8:07 PM
As for slashdot/reddit/twitter/technews. TBH, the things that they massive upvote are much better than the ones that get massive upvoted from the SE hot-list.
 
user50049
@awoodland Also, new users tend to seek out old posts and provide current answers.
 
@TonyTheLion Unless a recalc ensues. He stands to loose more rep than the rep of all other SO users combined, after such a rep recalc :)
 
I've been watching the hot questions for a few months now. More than 50% of the posts that go 100+ are very basic or stupid.
But the ones that make Reddit are, I'd say, over 80% are long well thought out informative stuff.
 
I have one post that shouldn't have got me as much rep as it did, but most (I think) was capped on one or two days of voting anyway so it's just the tag badges it helped for really
 
@Mysticial I don't do the popularity contests, I don't follow neither TN/R/Tw//. or SE Hotlist, so I can't vouch for that. Also, that distinction might be too arbitrary to base policies upon
 
8:09 PM
and of those badges I was limited by the minimum number of answers required rather than the votes anyway
 
@Mysticial I'd actually say that's the thing that bothers me most about SO in general, people getting 5 upvotes for explaining for example for the 100th time why "1.0!=1.0". Imho, repcap even doesn't have to do anything with that.
 
user50049
I got a bronze C++ badge from answering questions before I had the rep to edit.
 
@KillianDS I got bored of that about two months in...
 
@Mysticial I think the point is, that no matter how informative, questions (or more importantly, answers) going >100 is questionable in general. That is bound to skew proportionality, as there are always equalle (or vastly more) important/impressive answers that are just not so popular.
 
I used to answer like 5 - 10 questions a day. Now I'm down to one every other day.
 
8:11 PM
Jon's problem is that he gets upvoted to death without doing anything in particular
 
I would say he's an answering machine, but that don't quite fit
 
Jon's mere presence gets him upvotes
 
@Cicada Truth in that
 
weird I see 0 associated accounts at: meta.stackoverflow.com/users/22656/jon-skeet
 
@Mysticial Same here (though I'm even less active), but that doesn't take away that the rep-system completely misses it's goal for such questions.
 
8:12 PM
@TonyTheLion That was often quite depressing, when you'd answer basically the same, and end up with 1/10th the votes. In fairness, the answers by the Skeet are generally impeccable and swift
 
@sehe Yes and no. His answers are indeed good, but his mere name attracts upvotes like a honeypot (no, really)
 
@KillianDS The repcap was definitely annoying during the few times I've had a post go viral. But the repcap doesn't affect residual voting - which is where the majority of my rep comes from now.
 
@Cicada That's precisely my point. I'm just careful to not make this into 'he doesn't deserve the credit' - he does, Just, the balance is skewed by popularity. Story of humanity
 
@sehe The balance is skeeted
 
8:14 PM
to be fair there's quite a few other OMG it's person X users around too
 
Yeah
 
:)
 
inb4 "OMG it's Cicada"
Oh wait.
 
@awoodland I remember the Konrad R. vs. John McC. case :)
@Cicada Well... truth in that too
 
@Mysticial I;m actually nog complaining about repcap, I think that's just a patch to an inherently flawed system. But what the hell, it worked well enough to make SO great, so who am I to complain :)
 
8:16 PM
Thing is, the current system works well enough
Just look at Mysticial
 
yeah and there's only one simple rule to it
 
I'd say the current system is fine. It's hard to change the rules so late into the game.
 
(but even that confuses people)
 
@Cicada Agreed
@Cicada Huh?
 
@sehe 45k rep in 9 months, the system figures well enough what users make valuable contributions
ALSO JELLY
 
8:17 PM
I've lost about 15k to the repcap - (my top two answers account for about half of that). But meh... I get plenty of rep from residuals.
 
@Cicada Daaam. All your memes make me feel dumb
 
@sehe Now that I think about it, indeed sometimes I feel people upvote me just for my pic
Oh well. The game is the game, right?
That's the purpose of "my hole"!
 
@Cicada Look at my graph. You'll notice that all that rep was from the first 5 months.
You can tell when I started to get bored of newbie FGITW questions.
 
@Cicada It is a very nice pic. It took me a few moments to adapt to it. Get over my prejudice :) A few lloks at your answers /and/ your conversation fixed that.
 
What do you mean, sehe?
 
8:21 PM
@Mysticial Yeah. And you probably realize, that you were an insanely fast rising star at that time.
 
@sehe Or rather, "another insanely annoying repwhore".
 
@Cicada harsh
 
@Mysticial No no, that would be a better fit for genesis
 
@Cicada Huh? I thought I was being rather clear. I specifically did not mention the word rep in there. I do my own valuation based on content, not rep
 
@sehe I mean the pic! Not the rep.
 
@Cicada lol
 
@Cicada Well. Simple. You've got a beautiful picture. I'm not even guessing whether it is authentic :)
 
blush
 
You asked for it :)
 
Usually I'd go for the "but I look ugly in this one" process
 
8:25 PM
Not gonna work. Besides, no one can top my cool looks
In unrelated: Kyrostat reminds of of stuff that burns intensely, for a short period of time.
 
Ok, so it's Saturday evening. What should I do?
 
@awoodland That's a good thing:
 
Their room is now an experiment for echo measurements
 
@RadekSlupik weird that it was so sudden
 
@StackedCrooked Caturday you mean?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6549795/why-is-an-assignment-to-a-base-class-valid-but-an-assignment-to-a-derived-class/6549824#comment7716783_6549844
So. It has come to this.
 
8:28 PM
Maybe if I had cats.
 
@StackedCrooked @TonyTheLion always has nice suggestions.
:P
 
Hm, what would that be??
 
@Cicada xkcd?
 
@awoodland That's right
 
8:31 PM
So Konrad hates me! ;_; noooooo
 
Who doesn't?
 
All these dreams shattered
 
lol imagine that two people from the Lounge would marry.
 
@sehe Now that I think about it jaffas are the slaves of the goaul'ds in Stargate. Coincidence or nicely picked sockpuppet name?
 
Too much credit for the troll :)
Kyrostat reminds me of κῦρος (supreme power, authority), Kryptonite and Thermostat. Hmmm
 
8:36 PM
It reminds me of Krypton and city. :P
It's fucking quiet in the Lounge.
Time for some good music.
 
inb4 youtube link
 
YouTube y u no 940 kb/s audio.
I don't know what to blog. I want to blog.
Shall I blog about semantics?
 
@RadekSlupik fap fap fap
 
I'm not going to blog about fapping.
 
why not?
 
8:40 PM
Because nobody is interested in that.
 
I think Jon Skeet better look out. Alan Kay has been a member for 19 days and he already has 100 up-votes and 3 badges for saying essentially "I don't remember." It must be nice being Alan Kay. — bmb Jan 12 '09 at 2:00
 
lolz
Jon Skeet, Reading, United Kingdom
449k 130 2017 3377
WHY. JUST WHY.
Almost .5m.
 
@RadekSlupik science would have you round that to .4m really
 
There's only two days where I've recapped before Jon Skeet.
You can guess which two...
 
8:44 PM
@Mysticial Wut. How do you even.
 
lol a fucking GOLD BADGE for !?!?
 
there needs to be platinum tag badges clearly
 
@RadekSlupik He multithreads his SO answering engine
 
@awoodland When those are introduced, Jon would immediately get them too. :P
@sehe :P
 
@sehe The days following the Loop and Denormal Float questions.
 
8:46 PM
@Mysticial Not that part. This part
 
@sehe That's what I meant.
IIRC, I repcapped in 75 min. past midnight (UTC) after the loop question.
and 90 min. past midnight (UTC) after the denormal question.
 
@Mysticial It was a joke then? There are probably many more days where you repcapped before JS, but there is no way to know for sure?
 
@sehe Those are the only two times where I've gotten such a high concentration of votes in such a short time.
 
@Mysticial Aw god. I usually repcapped (in my heydays) round 2300h :)
@Mysticial The label of sanity has been reattributed to you. I thought you had somehow actually compared all the times-of-repcap. That was seriously worrying
 
@sehe The main reason is that I rarely ever repcap before I sleep.
 
8:49 PM
I only hit the cap once.
 
By the time I wake up, Jon Skeet is already capped.
 
@RadekSlupik You must be a good programmer
 
@sehe Look at my code and reconsider
 
@RadekSlupik Ok. Fair point
nah fuck it. You will be a great programmer.
 
Does this look great?!
#include "web/server.hpp"
#include <unistd.h>
#include <iostream>

void printWelcomeMessage() {
  std::cout <<
#include "welcome_string.hpp"
  ;
}

int main() {
  printWelcomeMessage();

  web::startWebServer(8000);
  for (;;) {
    sleep(1000);
  }
  web::stopWebServer();
}
 
8:50 PM
Apart from the whimsical indentation, yes
 
Wait till you see my code. Even now I still wonder how I can read it.
 
@sehe what's wrong with le indentation?
 
@Mysticial Oh I've looked at yours
My glasses broke
 
@Cicada lol, Which one?
 
Erm... #include "welcome_string.hpp" is a bit idiosyncratic though
 
8:51 PM
I've posted very few snippets here.
lol
 
@RadekSlupik it's whimsical
 
@sehe the code in there is so ugly. :P
"                                     ````                                     \n"
"   `-::.                      `:oydmMMMMMMmdyo:`                      .::-`   \n"
"  oNMMMMd-                 `/hNMMNNdyyssyydNNMMNh/`                 -dMMMMNo  \n"
" /MMMMMMMN+-.`           `+mMMNy/.          ./yNMMm+`           `.-+NMMMMMMM/ \n"
" .mMMMMMMNMMMmhs+:.``   -dMMm+`                `+mMMd-   ``.:+shmMMMNMMMMMMm. \n"
"  `+yhhs:-/oydmNMMMmdyo+NMMy`                    `yMMN+oydmMMMNmdyo/-:shhy+`  \n"
"  ``.`        `-:+ydmNMMMMs                        sMMMMNmdy+:-`        `.``  \n"
 
@RadekSlupik That's freaking cool. And Very Important (TM)
 
It's neither cool nor important.
 
To be honest, it's not really code
 
8:52 PM
It's a fucking long string literal.
 
^^
 
@Mysticial No idea, I've looked a few of your answers so I can't really tell which it was (or were)
 
@RadekSlupik Imagine how you could [CG] that using sed and an inline decompression engine
 
Why would I?
 
8:54 PM
@Cicada LOL, the you REALLY don't want to see the ones I've posted here in chat. The ones in my answers are (intentionally) less reader unfriendly.
 
The size of an executable is the least of my worries.
 
@Mysticial I've worked with physicist code, you can't scare me
 
@Mysticial do you have any open-source projects?
 
@RadekSlupik In the interest of science. Hey, I ask you to imagine a small thing. You question my motives? May I gently remind you of your earlier request for far greater imagination:
22 mins ago, by Radek Slupik
lol imagine that two people from the Lounge would marry.
 
8:55 PM
Apr 16 at 4:38, by Mysticial
#define ymi_CVN_u64d19_to_strd_u1_SSE41(T,A){   \
    const __m128d _SCALE0 = _mm_set1_pd(0.000004096);   \
    /* const __m128d _SCALE1 = _mm_set1_pd(4096.); */   \
    const __m128d _SCALE2 = _mm_set1_pd(0.000000001);   \
    const __m128d _SCALE3 = _mm_set1_pd(0.00000001);    \
    const __m128d _TEN = _mm_set1_pd(10.);  \
    const __m128d _ADD = _mm_set1_pd(0.00000000000001); \
    const __m128d _MASK0 = _mm_set1_pd(4503599627370496.);  \
    const __m128d _MASK1 = _mm_castsi128_pd(_mm_set_epi32(0x000fffff,0xffffffff,0x000fffff,0xffffffff));    \
 
It would be a chatty event.
 
Tony and Sehe, obviously.
 
@RadekSlupik None that are open-sourced - yet.
 
@Mysticial I see unreadable SSE code
 
@Mysticial There's a typo. _mm_set_epic32
 
8:56 PM
@RadekSlupik I'm not gay
 
@TonyTheLion Yet
 
@TonyTheLion me neither.
 
oh gawd
 
Jun 10 at 20:23, by Etienne de Martel
@StackedCrooked Marry me.
 
@Mysticial "Do you have any open-source projects?" "— None that are open-sourced yet."
 
8:57 PM
May 23 at 20:13, by Cicada
Marry me
May 16 at 15:30, by Mooing Duck
@sehe wouldn't marry sbi either
May 1 at 0:01, by Pubby
litb is married to the standard
 
@sehe Where's that? It was copy-paste form something that worked.
 
What is this? A dating room?
 
@Mysticial Reread. jk
@StackedCrooked Yeah, dating june 10th, may 23rf, 16th and 1st
 
Damn I don't know what to blog about!
 
Blog about me.
 
8:58 PM
@StackedCrooked This is a brothel.
 
Ah a brothel. Somehow that seems right.
 
s/right/to perfectly fit this charming room/
 
@sehe I don't think Justin Bieber counts as a person from the lounge. I'm not even 100% sure he counts as a person.
 
@Cicada Of the sexting type?
 
And Tony is the pimp of this brothel.
3
 
8:59 PM
@StackedCrooked daknok.tumblr.com
 
something something service-oriented architecture
 
@Mysticial Obviously!
Wait. Are there more types??
 
Ell
do std::unique_ptrs work syntactically the same as raw pointers? I'm having to put in a load of &*'s here and there in order to compile.
 
@TonyTheLion I suppose it's no longer needed.
 
@Cicada I read "typos". It was a "reado".
 
8:59 PM
@RadekSlupik Cool! It doesn't happen so often that I'm being done justice. :p
 

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