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1:00 PM
I have to disagree, @DomagojPandža, while there's a lot to improve, there's a lot good in the language
 
way more type inference
cut all that C T[] bullshit
 
no trigraphs
:P
 
oh yeah, no trigraphs
 
Ell
you should make a c++/wide comparison chart on the website if you have one. Or link it if it is already made
 
not that I really care about that
@Ell I will do.
 
1:00 PM
I've always had a feeling that trigraphs were C exclusive, mhm.
 
no vector<bool> :)
 
vector<bool>!!
 
I actually currently don't have vector at all.
 
Wide, D , ect.. wont change the fact that there is so many programs written in c++, from the past, present, and future projects , that the language of c++ will always be relevant as a handy tool in the developers tool box
 
@johnathon Uh, I don't think you've actually met Wide.
 
1:01 PM
Narrow
 
lol
 
Ell
unless we get a perfect c++ to wide converter!
 
my current intention is that you can link Wide and C++ programs with libclang, actually
 
The author of Wide is Narrow-minded ;-)
 
hahaha
 
1:01 PM
Does Wide have wide characters? Oh wait, lame pun friday was yesterday.
 
C++ is purely old glory. It is good, but not that good.
 
so ideally, you would be able to incrementally upgrade existing C++ programs
 
@DeadMG no i have not, however from the perspective of the comment i thought it was clear that i didn't have to
 
@DomagojPandža Do you know of any faster language with the same amount of usability and abstraction ?
 
@johnathon No, it's clear that you think you don't have to, which is not accurate.
 
1:02 PM
@DeadMG Does it support damn UTF-8 out of the box?
Or at least the library.
 
@RadekSlupik Actually, UTF-16. Need ICU support.
 
You guys are mixing language and library.
@DeadMG both byte orderings?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Exactly how does C++ shine on the usability scale?
 
Ell
@rubenvb why?
 
In my eyes the library is part of the language, and so are conventions and idioms.
 
1:03 PM
@FredOverflow It doesn't shine, but it's certainly usable.
 
@ScarletAmaranth No, but the reason nobody has attempted to make one yet is that people are stubborn.
 
@Ell because UTF16 has both byte orderings that are possible and allowed.
 
@DeadMG Sir, with all respect, Unless you go to the trouble of supporting 16 bit code up to 64 bit code ( hell even 128 for that matter) good luck :)
 
Ell
yeah, the "core" and "standard library" are part of the language
 
@rubenvb It's only in-memory, so I don't think it matters.
 
1:03 PM
They don't care if something is better, they only care about common, known ground.
It's human nature.
 
@ScarletAmaranth What would be an example of a language that isn't usable?
 
@FredOverflow Java. PHP.
 
Ell
@rubenvb sorry I meant the mixing language/library but never mind now
 
@FredOverflow Brainfuck.
 
1:04 PM
@DeadMG Home come so many people use it, then?
 
lolcode
 
user784668
@RadekSlupik Why isn't brainfuck usable?
 
@FredOverflow because their teachers are morons.
 
@DeadMG I am in no way a language designer, I'm merely a lowly user of those languages
 
@FredOverflow Because they don't know better.
 
1:04 PM
@Fanael Fucking limited and damn unreadable.
 
@FredOverflow A bunch of people believed the Earth is flat. Didn't make them right.
 
user784668
@RadekSlupik Ah. So you miss the point. NEXT!
 
NeXTStep
 
@DomagojPandža The earth being flat is a reasonable approximation for most common day tasks.
 
@FredOverflow APL :) ?
 
1:05 PM
@johnathon 32bit, 64bit, 128bit, no problem
 
lmfao
 
Ell
vlc browser never works for some reason
 
@FredOverflow Reasonable enough to kill in order to protect against something true? :P
 
as for 16bit, well, 50% of consumers today have an OS that can't even execute 16bit code
it's pretty much dead
 
WHat is difference betn LPCWSTR and char*
 
1:06 PM
@DeadMG um... ALL os's execute 16 bit code at some point
 
Full chat of Spaniards!
 
@DomagojPandža I don't think this historic fact transfers to the world of programming languages.
 
Inquisition is brewing.
 
@DeadMG it's a prerequisite to the boot process
 
@johnathon If you have an x64 OS, it cannot execute x16 user-mode applications.
 
1:07 PM
"16-bit code"?
 
besides, since I have LLVM as a back-end, then I can target whatever platforms it supports, and that includes kernel.
 
People will always be afraid of the unknown. That's why we'll always have Java.
And PHP.
 
indeed
 
@DeadMG Well no dur, however that machine starts up in 16 bit mode. And excuse me sir but if your compiler will not support 16 bit code then one is left to do it in assembler... now even though the very very first part of boot has to be done in assembler, is notwithstanding, however after that first 512bit block is loaded one can call C or even C++ code
 
Because nobody has the balls to offer something better. And nobody has the brains to accept something better.
 
1:08 PM
but Wide is a language targetted at those of us who are, in fact, not afraid
 
@DeadMG think embedded
 
@johnathon Why?
 
@johnathon ARM/x86 is the new embedded. Just wait.
 
I've never seen any evidence that embedded is a significant part of the market for programming.
 
@rubenvb throwing atmel and pic under the bus?
 
1:09 PM
If something improves my workflow, my productivity and doesn't hamper performance. I'm fucking game from day one.
 
@johnathon is "bus" a pun?
 
@DomagojPandža Agreed, but that's difficult to achieve :)
 
@DomagojPandža After Kyrostat you can help me with Wide :P
 
@rubenvb kinda :)
 
ARM is teh awsum.
 
1:11 PM
ARM will become cooler, now that AMD is going to embed ARM stuffs in their chips.
 
just to note when i said embedded i wasn't just talking about cell phones and tablets
 
lol
 
That's a shocker :)
 
@johnathon Yeah, it just makes me care even less.
LLVM supports ARM, so that's all good as far as I'm concerned.
 
@DeadMG building on top of LLVM ?
 
1:12 PM
yep
 
LLVM is awesome.
 
I dispute that
it's got some ways to go, IMO
 
@DeadMG good deal, good luck, and keep me posted on your progress
 
it could be awesome in the future.
 
Precisely, but it is a brave step forward.
That takes balls, and if they have enough brains, it will be even more awesome.
 
1:13 PM
So is our Kyrostat project ;)
 
Everyone has become so complacent, reminds me of the damn space industry, still stuck with 1960's technology because "it's battle tested".
 
We're aiming for 50 times better graphics than most of the smaller devs nowadays with the lower res 2d stuff :)
 
Well, fuck, we should've stopped when we invented the wheel.
It's fucking battletested.
 
Wheel is awesome!!
:D
 
Robot's wheel(s)? :Đ
 
1:15 PM
@DomagojPandža Very true.
 
haha, right, that's 98% templates, 2% other c++ features :D
 
@DomagojPandža so are nuclear reactors and stuff.
 
I suspect that it is a lot more awesome if you use Linux, say.
 
It's sad that the only drive force of humanity is war and greed. We need more wars.
 
@DomagojPandža actually it's only one: power.
 
1:16 PM
@DomagojPandža It's not a matter of battle tested , it's more of a matter of reality, constraints, and actual hardware design , there are way too many people out there that fail to realize their code will run on hardware when their writing that code
 
Well, we have reached the maximum level of greed possible already as I see it :P
 
we need education systems that encourage people to follow their passions and skills, rather than squishing them into a paste
4
 
@DeadMG AGREED!
 
@DeadMG Not happening :)
 
@DeadMG that would lead to a lot of lazy mindless kids though.
 
1:17 PM
Let's judge ALL the fish by their ability to climb a tree!
 
@rubenvb It would lead to exactly the opposite.
 
Lazy mindless kids are what we have today.
Physics students who have no idea where the "formulas" come from.
 
hell mindless society is what we have today
 
@DeadMG I'm not convinced of that. Given a choice, a teenager often takes the easy way out.
 
Literature students who suck dicks in the library.
Etc.
If a teenager takes the easy way out, let him.
 
1:18 PM
Honestly, we NEED stupid society :)
 
Let him suffer the consequences.
 
@DeadMG tricky when the goal of education policy is to make it into a market driven economy where a significant minority of the consumers see education as walking into a a job with as little thought and effort along the way as possible.
 
@rubenvb adults do that as well
 
This planet needs passionate people.
 
@awoodland correct
 
1:18 PM
Those people shouldn't suffer because there are dicks who like to party around.
I say fuck ALL the mindless kids.
 
Stupid society is what is keeping the society "alive".
 
user784668
@rubenvb Power is today's power.
 
@rubenvb Eh. There's no evidence for that, because people never offer them choice.
 
If you're not driven to succeed or do something, it's your problem.
 
oh
except in Finland, where they do have the education system I'm talking about, and it kicks the arse of every other system in the world
 
1:19 PM
@DeadMG we had an education system that they're going to reintroduce here.
 
exxcept China, where if you don't work your arse off and do obscenely well, you become a suicidal factory worker.
 
"VSO" - loosely translated Free Secondary education. Where the "free" was freedom of choice.
It sucked.
 
It didn't suck.
 
usually depends on the choice
 
It just proved how many people need to die.
 
1:20 PM
here in the UK, you get some choice about what you do, but it's so narrow it's quite meaningless
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah but also, there's only so much you can do since some (a lot ?) of your potential mental predispositions are "given to you" by default nature :)
 
Useless oxygen converters.
 
@DeadMG which is made by a teenager who wants to kiss girls and hang in his couch all day.
 
@rubenvb Let him.
Why not?
 
@rubenvb Probably because he has never experienced anything else.
and secondly, you cannot force those people to do better by telling them to go to school
 
1:21 PM
@DomagojPandža and who will pay for him?
 
If you're born stupid, you're screwed :)
 
@rubenvb Nobody.
 
@rubenvb Who cares about him?
It's his problem.
 
@DeadMG you can at least try to educate them to a basic level.
you guys are assholes
seriously.
 
Ok, for some reason the conversation just reading it is starting to sound more and more like borderline eugenics...
 
1:22 PM
Don't punish passionate people because someone likes their dick sucked more than doing something ambitious.
 
@rubenvb Not really. Because it doesn't work.
 
Put him in a special school.
 
@DomagojPandža how are passionate people being punished?
 
@rubenvb that all depends on where you live
 
@rubenvb Because they're being ground into paste instead of given the choice, let alone resources, to follow and expand on their skills and passions.
 
1:22 PM
I would partially disagree, simply because of the fact that not everyone is capable of doing "great things".
 
@DeadMG you're talking from a very personal background. Although I appreciate that, it's far from representative.
 
I say fuck those who given a chance, blow it.
 
@DeadMG This. And they are placed with idiots who don't care about anything and have to be shown what they want.
 
And the UK is a bad example of how education should work.
 
@ScarletAmaranth "great things" are limited to the ability of the person in question, even a person suffering from retardation is capable of great things at their level
 
1:23 PM
@rubenvb some teachers teach to the lowest common denominator which is pretty dull. Great teachers inspire students of all abilities
 
@rubenvb Absolutely. That's why I'm saying that it sucks and should have it's education system burned to the ground and replaced.
 
@DomagojPandža Imagine people from Somalia or whatever, fuck them because they have never been given a chance to actually do something ?
 
@ScarletAmaranth I am not here to save the planet. Everyone has their own problems, if they want something better, they should fight for it.
 
@rubenvb What makes you think it's not representative?
 
Not cry like babies. That's life. Life is not a fairy tale.
 
1:24 PM
the whole point of the problem is that some dick in Westminster sets the rules for the whole fucking nation and everyone in it
 
@DomagojPandža I agree, but saying that they are useless oxygen converters is harsh, given some circumstances :)
 
anyone like me is going to have the exact same problems as me, because it's the fucking law.
 
@DomagojPandža How much do you know about Somolia ?
 
@DeadMG You have statistics to back up your opinion? I don't, but you not having statistics to prove this isn't going to change my mind. No offense.
 
@rubenvb Do I need statistics to prove that 1 && 1 = 1?
 
1:25 PM
@johnathon Enough to know I can't help them.
 
it's a logical fact
 
:)) @DeadMG
 
@DeadMG that's not necessarily a problem if those rules are flexible and encourage teachers to be good rather than just ticking all the right boxes for "quality" metrics
 
@awoodland Flexible enough == doesn't exist.
 
@DeadMG Wow. i am blown away by your reasoning skills.
 
1:26 PM
@DomagojPandža Then you should also know enough about them to know that you cant help them because their government took their right to help themselves away
 
@rubenvb Well, if you actually think about it, then you might be.
 
Statistics and mashing people together are the very thing that is the problem of education. You can't average people together. It doesn't work like that.
 
the Education Secretary or whoever sets all the rules for all the country
so everyone in the same situation will have the same problems
because everyone is treated the same
 
Again, there's no way you can judge fish by their ability to climb a tree.
 
This planet lives from the contributions of exceptional individuals. Not statistical averages.
 
1:27 PM
twice disgraced lord Mandleson for higher education was a joke
 
Everyone can be exceptional in their own field, if they work hard enough. If you're not, you're not working hard enough. End of story.
 
@DomagojPandža Uuuuh, who would clean the streets and mine shafts if everyone was a genius :) ?
@DomagojPandža NOT TRUE :)
 
@DomagojPandža did you hear about the world's best scarecrow? He was outstanding in his field
 
@ScarletAmaranth Robots?
:P
 
If there is no statistical significant part of the population affected or in need, there is no way to justify the cost of specialized treatment. Let alone fairness vs others.
 
1:29 PM
and there you have the root of it all
money
and the reason people say it's evil
 
@DomagojPandža Here's a thing: Some mental prowess and talent is given to you when you're born, have fun doing quantum physics when you can't grasp the concept of equivalent adjustement of equations :)
 
You can grasp everything, it doesn't take 5 minutes to do it.
It takes days, months, years.
 
Why yes, communism is better, because that's where this discussion is going
 
@rubenvb That's not true at all. You would need to prove how much it costs, and how much it would cost to remedy before deciding that you can prove whether or not it's worth it.
 
@ErBnAcharya sounds like some non-standard windows thing
 
1:30 PM
bye bye
 
@ErBnAcharya STRSAFE_LPWSTR is a "safe" version of a long pointer to a wide string
 
LPWSTR is msdn.com.
 
@DomagojPandža I can tell you for fact that my sister would be incapable of understanding even very simple concepts in math given weeks / months. Although, she's a good artist.
 
besides
I believe that you could solve the problem and significantly reduce costs.
not increase them
 
@ScarletAmaranth Give me a few days with her, I'll make her rediscover math.
 
1:31 PM
Take your study to someone who can accelerate the proposal.
 
@ScarletAmaranth and your not? Does programming not border with art?
 
Education systems force automation, not understanding and intuition.
 
@DomagojPandža I've tried :-)
 
Some academic, not a politician.
 
@johnathon It does, but this is a different discussion.
 
1:32 PM
@rubenvb Those academics have to do what the politicians tell them to.
 
Anyone knows how to convert it to char* to STRSAFE_LPWSTR ??
 
that's the fundamental thing I realized, that the academic institutions are fundamentally broken and have no real interest in aiding their students at all
@ErBnAcharya Do you know how to push the "Ask Question" button?
 
@ScarletAmaranth What im saying , is if your sister viewed code as art, she'd have an interest in it. And from that she'd pick up better reasoning skills, and all the plethora of things that come along with it, including the grey hair at a young age :))
 
@DeadMG IF possible i dont like to make StackOverflow's database OverFlow..
 
@ErBnAcharya They offer the service for free. Let them take care of it. This chat is permanently archived anyway.
 
1:34 PM
ohai
 
@ErBnAcharya STRSAFE_LPWSTR is a wchar_t* basicaly, so if you want to get to a char* you want to use the safe versions of WideCharToMultiByte()
 
@DeadMG Thanks for the Suggestion..
 
@johnathon Nope, she understands 3 = 6 / 2 but doesn't understand x = y / z. As ridiculous as it may seem to me, she can't grasp the concept.
 
It's just improperly shown to her. And there's also the mental barrier of "not being interested".
 
@TonyTheLion hi.
 
1:35 PM
@TonyTheLion hai
 
@ScarletAmaranth algebra, just tell her algebra is a different way to ask the question , and that's all it really is.. Somehow that fact is lost in the teaching of algebra
 
"sometimes"?
I can't vouch for anyone else's mathematical education, but mine was a worthless joke.
 
yeah, the "not being interested" does a lot, but she's not capable of understanding it, i've tried showing her in million different ways :) From very very deep to very very shallow. (actually, the shallower i was, the more she understood, which is ridiculous)
 
All mathematical education is worthless. Automation is not understanding and is not intuition.
 
wassup?
 
1:36 PM
yeah, that's very true
 
agree
 
If you know how to perform arithmetic operations it doesn't mean you understand them, at all.
 
all math education is based on automation of shit
 
Applies to everything.
 
"learn how to do this type of example and it will be on test tommorow"
 
1:36 PM
@TonyTheLion not much
 
and nor does the inverse
 
You tell someone here's an algorithm for doing that, and they will live happily with a warm feeling that they understand the matter.
 
@TonyTheLion more or less, discussion on the educational institution, And the individual capabilities of people and how they wildy differ
 
That's the current state of the world.
 
1:37 PM
well, I can understand it- 150 years ago
 
@DeadMG I meant only to use the academic to give your proposal some scientific value.
 
but we have calculators now
and laptops
it's the laptop's job to add two numbers together, not mine
 
math and @DeadMG do not, I repeat not match at all.
 
everything that doesn't involve creative thinking and can be automated should be not a job for a human being :)
 
1:38 PM
It is far more important to understand the arithmetic operations, how numbers are defined etc. then crunching numbers. Crunching numbers is not natural to the human mind, you can be trained to do it fairly good (like all of us) but it will never be natural.
 
@DeadMG i can easily remember a time when my math teacher said "you wont always have a calculator handy" , mind you this was before cell phones were so prolific, and im thinking to myself i bet that fucker is eating his words now
 
@rubenvb I actually quite enjoy mathematics, and I also do very well atit.
@johnathon He obviously just didn't understand what "Moore's Law" meant.
 
@DomagojPandža Except for most people DONT CARE about how the numbers are defined, yet they will end up successfully finishing their education because the current state is happy when you can apply some form of synthesis to something. "Tommorow, tehre will be this on test, go "train your neural network for it"".
 
@DeadMG LOL, Well, i think more along the lines of him trying to teach me (i seriously forget what concept he was trying to teach us at the time i was 8 years old) , and we were all like, WHY?
 
That's their problem. They'll never do anything useful. And if they accidentally do, they'll be unable to interpret to reap the benefits of it, which is even more sad (we all lose).
 
1:40 PM
we were asking why because we seriously failed to see how we'd use it in day to day life
 
@DomagojPandža Do you know how many people like that work in software engineering industry :D ?
 
@johnathon Probably long division or something
 
@DeadMG no, i use long division, and i can see how that's useful, bah i'd have to like go back to my school records and find out
 
eh, I've not used long division since... it was taught to me.
 
Too many. One stellar example is while most students were taking relativity for granted, there was a guy, a student, thinking about those notions of relativity whilst working in a patent office. Some would say he was slow at the time. But he was actually thinking about what the impact of c being constant for all observers have to do with notions of absolute time and spatial translation.
 
1:43 PM
@DeadMG you ridicule everything formal about Math. You don't care for strict definitions. My guess is you don't really know what "Math" is.
 
When you inspect the very core of things, you learn to appreciate nature.
And nature gives back.
 
@DomagojPandža Yeah, it's funny that people like that end up working in a fucking patent bureau :D
 
Secondary school math is definitely not "Math". It's Calculus and machinery.
 
@rubenvb That's quite different.
that's me attempting to use mathematics to solve a problem
 
ah :p
 
1:44 PM
and just like code, or specification, I ditch everything that does not help me solve that problem
it is literally useless to me in that context
 
I need to leave, unfortunately. Cya
 
but that doesn't mean I can't work with it in a different context in a different way
 
@DeadMG my point really is that it was just a redundant way to do something else that gave you the exact same result, and the way he was trying to teach us was longer, and ultimately more stupid than the original way we was thought, i argued against it i remember, ultimately i did not win the argument and that event is what led me to the strong belief that the school system needed major reform.. ... and what led me to pursue a career in education
 
WARNING: Teacher detected.
 
@DeadMG and i held onto that pursuit until i was in college.. .. and had to do a session with a bunch of 4th graders from a local school near the college .. And i said fuck that
@ScarletAmaranth you peeking at my profile?
:))
 
1:47 PM
I am kind of envious of the new kids, with computer access at around 4-5 years old.
 
@johnathon No, you said: " and what led me to pursue a career in education "
 
@DomagojPandža I had computer access at that time.
 
@johnathon It doesn't take a lot of deductive reasoning to get to predicates given that conclusion :)
 
I could type before I went to school
 
@DeadMG Yes, but our computers sucked dick.
Our connections sucked dick.
 
1:48 PM
very true
 
@DomagojPandža im envious of what the computers the new kids have can actually DO, compared to the old commodore i started out on
 
but I did solve FizzBuzz or something at that age
it's probably half the reason why I'm so fucking good now
 
ahahah
 
facepalm
 
program at age 3? gain super skills
only been at it for 18 years
 
1:49 PM
it was more like age 7 or 8
but still
 
no, it was age 3 for me
 
I started programming at 13, can't imagine getting into it at 3, but maybe I had no appraising from my surroundings.
 
i was referring to myself sir
 
@ScarletAmaranth Just replace the desired program with something much more childlike.
for example, if you identify yourself as a sibling, print insult
 
I was doing some stuff earlier, but what really struck a chord with me was the launch of GTA III.
And from that day forward, I've been hunting software engineering relentlessly.
 
1:51 PM
@DeadMG Honestly, I don't think it's possible at the age of 3 but maybe you have some seriously massive ballz ;)
 
The notion of virtual worlds just wins.
 
@ScarletAmaranth What? My first class was a template, too.
 
Ahahahah
It was MG who proved templates are turing complete.
 
nah
 
1:52 PM
I started at 11. :P
 
I only started C++ in late 2009 or so
Lua in late 2006
 
Honestly, you start before college, odds are you're going to be a good developer.
 
so given my usual three-year cycle for mastery of a language, it'll be time for me to move on again in another six months
 
You start in college, you're gonna suck donkey cockles.
 
1:53 PM
need to finish Kyrostat, then specify and implement Wide
 
Beginning of 2002., maybe has something to do with the fact GTA III released in October of 2001. :P
C++ that is
 
lol
 
I'm going to study the HIG before working on my IDE.
 
Well, I come from C originally, my C++ used to look like C with std::cout for quite some time.
 
@ScarletAmaranth depends , i know a guy who went through ITT's (don't laugh) programming courses, came out top of his class too... and STILL cant do simple socket programming or one single decent line of C++
 
1:54 PM
ah
 
I come from Objective-C and Ruby. 3:
 
I had stuff like Blake Stone, Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Goldeneye
 
@ScarletAmaranth Turbo C buddy!
 
I adapted to Objective-C when I bough an iOS device, simple transition, not really a fan of the language.
 
but a big turning point for me was System Shock 2 and Total Annihilation
when I realized that consoles were fun, but they would never match what I could do on a PC
 
1:54 PM
But it's not its fault, I dislike everything with a runtime I didn't write.
 
@johnathon Yeah that may be right, I mean, even if you look at something "simple as poineters", there are developers who can't wrap their heads around it.
 
Games where never my motivation to code
 
well, I probably wrote my first code before playing my first game
 
Mine is probably physics, then games.
 
but games were my launch pad
 
1:55 PM
@ScarletAmaranth man i know what your saying , i have had to explain pointers to people time and time again.. the SAME people...
 
they don't motivate me any more than any other piece of software, but they are good to get going
 
But games and physics are so connected that it's so much sexy time for me.
 
I scripted Supreme Commander for a while
it's a good place because you can make small codes and get gameplay changes for small investments
 
I've never really liked game development.
 
also it involved concurrency right off the bat, which is probably another reason why I am teh roxxor
 
1:56 PM
@RadekSlupik it's a niche
 
@RadekSlupik lol, and yet you take part in our CPP lounge game?
@DeadMG love teh concurrencies
lol
 
@TonyTheLion I won't be doing any hardcore game stuff like graphics and stuff. :P
 
@TonyTheLion yeah, supar awesum
 
I mostly like manipulating data, GUI programming and networking.
 
1:57 PM
Graphics.. peek , poke, sprites , ect
 
@johnathon It has got to do with the ability to think abstractly, which is, not so common as I'd like and as it seems. Joel Spolsky (even though I'm not a huge fan of his) said that "Some people were born without the part of the brain that understands pointers." or something like that, and dat I agree with. That's why I don't necessarily agree with stuff like: "If you don't know it, you're a lazy bum." There are simply some things that we are not capable of grasping.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I would say more accurately, some people were never caused to grow that part of the brain.
 
@DeadMG Well, a LOT is "given to you" when you're born.
 
true
but I also believe that nurture is very important
and I believe that getting children to do 999999 repetitive additions is very harmful
 
My view is that everyone can understand anything if they put their mind to it.
 

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