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9:00 AM
@sbi I heard you didn't like gardens, so I thought maybe @thecoshman want's to maintain it.
 
@classdaknokt: What is to hate about gardens ?!
 
sbi
@classdaknok_t Where the hell did you hear that?
 
fairly sure @sbi lives in an appartment
 
@sbi you said a while back that you didn't like gardens.
 
@classdaknok_t I think he mentioned that he can barely manage one. Not that he dislikes it
 
9:01 AM
@sbi: You are facing to many evidence to deny: admit it, you hate gardens, okay ?
 
sbi
@classdaknok_t Link or it didn't happen.
 
Let me search for it.
 
sbi
@ereOn A chicken's word as evidence? What did you smoke last night?
 
2 days ago, by sbi
@classdaknok_t Me, I don't like gardens, at least not in plural. I have a hard time keeping up with the single one I have. In fact, some of my neighbors would probably argue I fail to do so.
@classdaknokt There. Note , at least not in plural :)
 
@sbi: I never smoke. And never will. Unless I caught fire, but then, it probably won't be my decision.
 
sbi
9:02 AM
@sehe "...not in plural" being the key phrase here.
 
@sbi @sehe oh I see. I'm sorry.
 
@sbi That's the point I'm making :)
 
Are we really debating about the fact sbi does or does not like gardens ?!
oO
 
sbi
@sehe You were making it while I made it. You just hit the enter key a few secs earlier.
 
@sbi Searching for that was hard because (a) your name is too short to trigger autocompletion in the username search box (b) you used US spelling for 'neighbours', which made my search strategy fail initially :)
 
sbi
9:05 AM
@ereOn Is there anything more important to talk about here than me?
2
 
@sbi Nope. See before that!
4 mins ago, by sehe
@classdaknok_t I think he mentioned that he can barely manage one. Not that he dislikes it
 
@sbi: Point taken ;)
 
sbi
@sehe Oh, I overlooked that. I apologize.
 
@thecoshman: Just out of curiosity, are you currently working for a banking company ?
(I try to figure out if those all share the same low-standard messy-code decisions)
 
9:11 AM
ohio
 
sbi
<pavloving> blood buzz </pavloving>
 
XML! Kill it!
 
lol
my feet hurt so much damnit
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion What does that correlate with?
(Or is it "correlate to"?)
 
It correlates with my feet.
They are singing the national anthem.
My boots feet are not made for walking, `cause that's just what they can't do
 
sbi
9:27 AM
It's quiet here.
 
Enjoying the calm atmosphere
 
@ereOn nope, Ericssons
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I am also using a fridge. I still couldn't build or repair one, though.
 
@classdaknok_t you dont like xml?
 
@tada I hate XML.
 
9:33 AM
lol
 
First of all, all closing tags could just be </> and everything is way too much typing.
 
yes i agree it's ugly
 
And it's highly unreadable and difficult to parse using a machine. I prefer JSON.
 
@tada <views><view><subject>xml</ subject><opinion>HATE</ opinion></ view></ views>
the one thing I would say it is good for, is representing things that are a hierarchy already
 
json is taking over it at least in the web aspect
 
9:38 AM
It is nice for storing trees or hierarchical things, but people tend to use it for everything, from test results to configuration files. I hate that.
 
@sbi It doesn't correlate to anything, I'm just saying what I feel
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I was just asking because there's days where you complain and days where it doesn't seem to be so badly.
 
@sbi parser error: "seem to be so badly"
 
@sbi well, it's not because I don't complain that it doesn't hurt, I'm not the person to easily complain about this, but occasionally, it's just too much not to say anything
 
sbi
9:42 AM
@TonyTheLion Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about you complaining. I was just wondering what would trigger it being so bad.
 
what's wrong with you? (serious question be this)
 
anyone here use codeblocks?
 
@tada yeah
though only recently started using it
sup?
 
@sbi if only I knew what triggered it, it would help, but I am clueless as to what has caused it to hurt so extreme today
 
@thecoshman how ironic that you would choose to disregard the hierarchy in your presentation. Also, all those spaces in the close tags make your XML unwellformed
<views>
	<view>
		<subject>xml</subject>
		<opinion>HATE</opinion>
	</view>
</views>
 
sbi
9:49 AM
@thecoshman No soup for me, thanks. I'd rather have that steak, please.
 
it's cool ,i also started using vc++ and really like it.
 
@sbi mmm staked steak
 
i have codeblocks with cygwin and gcc
 
sbi
@thecoshman Please type correctly.
There's a steak at stake here.
 
@sehe you mean I disregarded it because I did not indent it properly?
@sbi I wasn't finished :P
 
9:51 AM
@tada Why cygwin?
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, you weren't Finish. IIRC, you're British, though you live in Ireland. ICBWT.
 
@tada so... erm... are you just wanting to proclaim that you use Code::Blocks?
 
@rubenvb so i can have linux features like berkeley sockets
 
@sbi I would insist that I am English. Also, Finish != finish; ergo, I never claimed to be Finish
 
@thecoshman yes kind of , just to start conversation
 
9:53 AM
@tada OK. At least you know your tools ;-).
 
@rubenvb haha, cool.
 
@thecoshman I mean you disregarded the hierarchy in your presentation
 
@rubenvb I've never seen a smiley with a spot on it's chin
@sehe how did I? the tags a properly nested...
 
sbi
@thecoshman Damn, I did wait for 2mins to have passed! How did you do that?!
 
@sbi Bit early for drinking isn't it?
 
9:55 AM
@thecoshman Funny you should say that
 
@thecoshman That's a period. Note the period is not part of the smiley in code tags.
 
3 mins ago, by thecoshman
@sbi I would insist that I am English. Also, Finish != finish; ergo, I never claimed to be Finish
 
@sbi edit master!
 
Shit I dismissed that flag as invalid but now I lost the link to that hilarious pic
 
sbi
Haha, somebody flagged this pic in some other room.
 
9:57 AM
@sbi wait... have you really got nothing better to do then point out the obvious fact that I have poor grammar? I really hope I got the right 'then'
 
sbi
@sehe :)
 
@sbi Thanks! I was about to post a link too
 
@sbi flagged it as what? Dangerously funny?
 
> ... I got the write 'then'
@thecoshman is beyond help
You got the wrong right !
@thecoshman I bet it was flagged because of low quality: too much JPEG artefacts.
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If I could, I would travel back in time and bitch slap that first mother fucker who thought it would be a good idea to standardise spelling
@sehe oh man, I didn't notice them at first. Can't be unseen!
@sehe well now. I know my 'where' and 'were' and 'there' and 'their'. I just have to think about them :(
 
sbi
10:03 AM
@thecoshman Actually, in English, it would be a good idea to start standardizing spelling. "How about: ruff, tough, though, row, mo... And that's merely scratching the surface."
 
Way better quality. The perpetrator hides a bit too much for it to be funny, though
 
@sbi you where one post too late for post #3555555
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh.
 
@sbi However will you sleep tonight?
 
Horizontally
 
sbi
10:06 AM
@thecoshman I usually sleep with my eyes closed and — or so said my late wife — with my mouth open.
 
late wife? That implies she's deceased. I never knew that before
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
sbi
@sehe She ceased to be my wife last Thursday.
 
you should know that English has a seemingly endless number of ways to indirectly say someone is dead or has died
 
sbi
@thecoshman Only for parrots, though.
 
10:10 AM
@sbi you do know that Montey Python was not a documentary, don't you?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Gasp! No? Was it a mockumentary then? I never knew!?
 
@sbi yeah, we don't really have a ministry of silly walks. At least, not any more :(
who's teasing me stars?
 
@thecoshman Hey, you're not German!
@sbi Clear then. Former wife might appear less incriminating should she ever get into an unfortunate accident. You never know :)
Hey - there's a robot, there's life
Oh wait...
 
@sehe no... I don't recall ever giving the impression I was. Though I can understand thinking I wasn't English
 
10:13 AM
lol
 
@thecoshman When did the English have a ministery of silly walks?
(Roundabout ways of expression don't count as 'figurative' walks)
 
@sehe it may not have been a government ministry
 
That doesn't really answer the question, of course
 
meh
woah... going from listening to death metal to rock is a bit shock to the system
 
sbi
10:45 AM
> Tradition. Go polling station. Enter booth. Pull curtain. Remove trousers. Wait 10 seconds. Then lean out & say "Do you have these in a 36?" — Danny Baker
 
well, there's a reason for me to sign up :P
> "That's What" - She
he he he, reddit :P
I think I am gonig to be sick with this formatting
if (){
}
else if () {
}
 
11:07 AM
Why the space after if?
No space makes this pretty:
if(foo == 3
|| bar == 5) {
  qux;
}
 
Some people think it better to distinguish from function calls.
 
The syntax highlighting of if makes it pretty clear
 
11:20 AM
I don't see any highlighting in your sample :p
 
@StackedCrooked Are you colorblind? :D
 
Actually, I am a little colorblind.
 
@Pubby I prefer this:
if (foo == 3
    || bar == 5) {
  qux;
}
 
11:35 AM
That's just silly
 
if (foo == 3
    || bar == 5)
  qux;
better
oneline if's -> no braces
 
That's a three-line if.
One-line ifs -> no braces is the rule I follow, but I stick to using for one-line ifs.
 
if(
       foo == 3
    || bar == 5)
{
  qux;
}
 
I only use online if's if the condition and body are very short, for example if (foo == 42) return;. Otherwise I'd always use curly braces.
 
sbi
11:47 AM
> French election - is it like British election, but with tongues and more passion? — Örjan Westin
 
@sbi: French election is a mess. The debate last night was ridiculous.
 
sbi
@ereOn It made the headline in German's most-popular online news magazine.
 
foo == 3 || bar == 5 ? qux, 0 : 0;
Dunno if that's valid code
 
@sbi Really ?
I did not know other countries cared that much about our presidents.
 
11:50 AM
I can hardly remember the last time I heard anything about elections in Germany for instance.
 
sbi
@ereOn Yep. I just checked, and it's now sunk to the second place. The first one is now about French-German financial politics.
 
Woah, how long has RPG.SE been out of beta? Their design is awesome.
 
sbi
@ereOn Our Merkel has openly supported Sarkozy once or twice, and that made a big splash here. A good French-German relationship has been one of the backbones of Europe's politics for decades, and if Hollande is pissed about that, this would be rather big news here.
 
 
@sbi: Yep I heard about that.
 
sbi
11:52 AM
@ereOn Just you wait until next year.
We'll have elections then.
 
@sbi: How is Merkel perceived by the people in Germany ?
 
sbi
@ereOn Well, she has been voted for by the majority twice... (Not me, though, and I suspect by few of the people I care about.)
 
Harhar. I posted a git command that had the OP overwhelmed. So:
I simplified my answer to make it less intimidating. — sehe 2 mins ago
 
sbi
Did I ever mention here that git is a Harrier Jump Jet?
> Everyone assumes, heck, if Linus needs it to co-ordinate his totally unique world-dominating monolithic operating system, which has literally thousands of contributors, then, well, gosh, I suppose I ought to use it for my tiny six-source-file project that I and two close friends work on.
> When Sauron allegedly poured all his malice into the One Ring, he must have retained some wherewith to poison the sweet well of version control. — Mike Taylor about git
 
@sbi: What does this guy rant about exactly ?
I mean, that's my opinion sure, but I find Git to be far more usable than CVS or SVN
The logic changes a lot, but he calls that "complexity" ?! Git is by far the most simple and elegant source control I've ever worked with oO
 
sbi
12:03 PM
@ereOn Something wrong with your reading module... — oh, you're not (proven to be) a robot. Well, can't you read the headline?
git filter-branch --index-filter \
        'git ls-files -s | sed "s-\t\"*-&bar/-" |
                GIT_INDEX_FILE=$GIT_INDEX_FILE.new \
                        git update-index --index-info &&
         mv $GIT_INDEX_FILE.new $GIT_INDEX_FILE' HEAD
@ereOn Really, are you trying to pull my leg?! ^That's an abomination. (And it was merely the first thing I ran into.)
And, strangely, for readability I seem to prefer SVN's revision numbers over git's GUIDs.
 
You can write complicated stuff to use git, that's right. But most of time I hardly type anything else than git push, git fetch, git add, git commit or sometimes git rebase
 
sbi
The problem with git IMO is not that the abstractions are leaking like a sieve, but that the guy never even bothered to set up abstractions in the first place.
 
For that, you have a point.
 
for most things @Sbi has a point
 
@sbi To be fair, post the equivalent for Hg? Or SVN? You know, it doesn't really exist. Advanced stuff warrants advanced commands.
 
12:09 PM
@thecoshman: Having a point doesn't mean I completely agree though.
 
sbi
@sehe I can't post the equivalent for SVN. But that's because I have no idea what that thing does.
 
The real surprise, to me, is that every man and his dog expects to be doing complicated stuff like that with Git.
They would likely never have considered the possibility with another VCS
 
Perhaps I'm using it for too simple tasks, but I find it far more easy and fast to work with.
 
@sbi You could of course look at the question to which that was my answer <whistles/>
 
I even store my shopping list in a git repository
 
sbi
12:09 PM
@sehe Yeah, I had just done this.
 
@ereOn For me the 'fast' is the big win. All that power, which I happen to like, is just a bonus. Granted, for many people, it would be best ignored most of the time. But then again, Git would just be another Darcs, Hg, Monotone, Bazaar or whatnot
 
sbi
@sehe I think one could do this in SVN by manipulating the repo through svnadmin, but, as you said, this is nothing beginners should attempt to do.
 
@sbi And it would likely be about as complex (taking into account different backend stores, funny filenames, permissions, following file histories, even forgetting about merge tracking extensions that exist for SVN etc.)
 
@sehe: Agreed.
 
For one thing, it would definitely not be in the man page for svnadmin :)
 
sbi
12:13 PM
@sehe No, it would be less complex, because it would be broken down into several commands. (And merge tracking is built-in since, I think, at least SVN 1.5.)
 
However, this blog post seems weird to me: every person I know that came from SVN to Git is enjoying Git now.
This guy doesn't.
 
sbi
@sehe No. Because, in order to buy a pack of peanuts at the grocery store, you wouldn't need a Harrier Jump Jet. So why offer one every time you want to fetch your bike?
 
@sbi Aha. 2008 must be the year in which I abandonded svn
 
@sbi: What is so complex about Git ? I really don't get it.
 
sbi
@ereOn Well, here's a hint to solving this mystery: You don't know him. Work your way from there, and you will find out. :)
 
12:15 PM
@sbi It would be in the section "Military Equipment" or "Amateur Aviation". No need to walk your kids through that isle shopping for a loaf of bread.
 
sbi
@ereOn When I wanted to evaluate DVCS for my private use, I looked at the installing instructions for git on Windows, then at those for Hg. And that was it for git and me.
 
@sbi: Yeah, no. I probably don't care that much. He can thinks what he likes. I'm not that judgmental.
 
@sbi Note it is in the man page for git filter-branch which isn't even indexed from the man git manpage, because, you know, it is 'porcelain' and only interesting for advanced use(r)s
 
yeah, I found Hg easier than git to get started with
 
@sbi: How is installing git on windows harder than installing SVN ?
 
12:17 PM
@sbi That's painfully correct. Though, I'm so used to the powers of git, that I'm using Git even on Windows at work
 
sbi
@ereOn I'd have remembered had I cared.
 
At least I can find a Git installation executable in less than 3 mouse clicks
Subversion ? I remember having to the CollabNet website
 
@ereOn You have to know precisely what to get and where. If you choose one of a dozen 'old' alternatives, you're basically up for a lot of frustration.
 
sbi
@ereOn I can use my browser without a mouse, too.
 
Then fill some form
@sbi: I'm sure you can. I'm sure.
 
sbi
12:18 PM
@ereOn That was true for a few months a couple of years ago, yeah. It was not true before, and not later.
 
@sbi: No that it matters that much to me but... what are you blaming exactly ? The git installer ? Git itself ? Both ? Git's "philosophy" ?
 
sbi
@ereOn Didn't I say this was years ago, and I have long since forgotten what the problem was? Just reading through the steps that walked me through was painful. Hg, OTOH, came with a simple installer. And, yes, from what I read one would have to get git's philosophy in order to be able to play with it, and it seems to be a complicated one.
 
the Git Windows installer forces you to make a bunch of weird decisions about how much you want to pollute your path, and whether you want it to be accessible from cmd.exe
that's pretty moronic
 
just be glad you're not using ClearCase
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
it's taken me nearly a day WITH SUPPORT to set up a branch ಠ_ಠ
 
@jalf, that I agree is annoying. Having to install a msys shell to use git is stupid. And polluting the path is stupid too.
 
12:22 PM
a god damn frigging branch!
 
sbi
@thecoshman I am, I am. I started programming when such monsters were much more common than they are now. I managed to avoid them, but their reputation is legendary.
 
@sbi you don't know my pain man!
I live this pain every day :'(
 
sbi
@thecoshman No, I have never met your pain man. Who is he?
 
@sbi clearcase
 
Ell
it makes me cry when I find a better version of my computer for £300 cheaper when I only bought it at christmas :'(
 
12:28 PM
@Ell: See it as you paid £300 to use it 5 months sooner.
 
Ell
yea :/
 
The problem with this reasoning is that you can always find a lower price (or a better computer at the same price) if you wait long enough.
 
@ereOn or that if it learnt to no be so impatient, he would have saved £300 (add probably have a 'better' computer)
 
So you could wait forever.
 
Ell
oh well my dad payed :P
 
12:30 PM
@thecoshman: Of course. I usually try not to buy things when I don't need them.
 
Anyona had any experience with 2D FFT's?
 
Ell
2d ffts?
 
2 dimensional (fast) fourier transforms
 
Ell
no sorry :L
 
I know of them :P
 
12:40 PM
I'm trying to get better resolution, but increasing my grid size makes my FFT just squeezed together. I'm also having a weird padding problem.
If I zero-pad too much (still less than the size of my grid) the FFT starts getting cut off and deformed :/
 
@rubenvb What's the second dimension?
 

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