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10:00 PM
@Ali_Abadani Just use: "http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/" and add your tags at the end, separated by or. For instance, "http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/c++ or c++11"
 
@sehe you were running some code...
 
@sehe woah, I swear that was the robot who said. took me some time to notice it was actually you :P
 
I'm going to go make geordi-bot qsort already-sorted data, just because I hate him
 
@Ali_Abadani Use the magical [or] tag in the search field. Not making this up.
 
Oh the test. Some moron one put in a input wait at the end, so I never noticed it finishing. Very very helpful feature, that. (??) Now instead of copy/paste, I have to go and fucking calculate the times. And there is no (useful) breakdown in user/sys/real times. Ah well
 
10:01 PM
Isn't "or" the default anyway?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, is that how you really do it? I was trying to use "or" and I got my method from someone's link in here.
 
Should be 4: 4
Our number of pointers is: 268435456
Should be 4: 4
Shuffling internal pointers to mess with the cache
Starting benchmark of 1000 dereferences:
Time: 485.76s
Should be 1004: 1004

Trivial function replication benchmark commencing...
That took: 0s


real	15m36.808s
user	8m6.574s
sys	0m1.100s
Feel free to calculate how long the chat distracted me before pressing enter
 
@classdaknok_t No, it' and.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes only for tags? Because I'm always experiencing pain with searching.
 
@sehe since you have 8 gigs of ram, can you set your PTRS_TO_MAKE_IN_MB to 3072 and re-run for me?
 
10:03 PM
@classdaknok_t It makes no sense. That's all I'm saying.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Holy friggin crap! They went and implemented the most basic search feature in the most obscure fashion, and picked a braindamaged default conjunction. I never knew that!
 
@JamesCuster Yeah, that had me baffled for a long time too. The magic [or] tag is so silly I could never think of it.
 
Searching "tv tropes" without quotes gives all questions containing "tv", "tropes" or both.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I did notice that
@classdaknok_t Yeah you found that out earlier today
 
10:05 PM
@sehe yesterday.
 
@classdaknokt i thought you would say that.
 
it that yesterday
 
@stdOrgnlDave yeah sure. any reason not to bump it further?
 
oh dear, I really upset some of those stl classes with what ever I did :S
 
@thecoshman I hope you didn't tell std::string her butt was too fat.
 
10:07 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Why?
Sep 20 '11 at 19:05, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Truth people, truth.
9 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
But the truth is important!
 
you know, once upon a time, I used to be able to do stuff with C++; then Java
 
Hay!
 
DudE!
 
10:09 PM
@sehe Because her butt is fine.
Duh.
 
@sehe the constant is made for a 32-bit compile, so double the MB number and that's what you get on 64-bit
 
The truth is, it's fine that her butt is too big. Problem solved
 
Dat font.
 
10:11 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb what isn't?
 
sehe's pic!
it shows a dude with a long dick poking a girl off a cliff!
 
What did I just read?
 
12 hours ago, by sehe
@thecoshman I bet it was flagged because of low quality: too much JPEG artefacts.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes eight fucking years?! Oh God…
 
10:13 PM
Did you forget that the artefacts were cause for flagging earlier?
 
Hello all
 
artifacts
Hi, psycho. You psychic?
 
artifacts are cause for flogging, not flagging
 
yeah, kinda
 
FLAG ALL THE ARTIFACTS!!
cool
 
10:14 PM
 
I didn't say anything.
 
by the way @sehe, you're officially a 268-million * programmer
 
So anyone knows a site running PHP on mod_cgi? I want to test this ?-s thing.
@classdaknok_t What about it?
 
Facebook.
 
@stdOrgnlDave SIGINT to the rescue
 
10:16 PM
It's not surprising to discover bugs long after they were discovered.
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I find it weird that pandora plays louder when the "X-Lite" program is running.
 
Oh. what the fuck did I just say.
3
 
8 years is a long time.
Especially for an open-source piece of crap product used so widely.
 
@classdaknok_t It's not like it's eight years of people exploiting that bug.
 
@sehe it's too late, your first run did that. you may be a billion star programmer from the second run
 
10:18 PM
The fact the bug was undiscovered for such a long time doesn't mean it's better or that it's worse. In fact bugs that are discovered more easily are worse, because they betray poor QA.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes and rarely do quick things happen quickly
 
I don't like bugs. I prefer mammals and fish.
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That wasn't funny and didn't deserve a star.
 
@stdOrgnlDave I needed to close a few tabs in my browser since things were getting a bit slow
 
@classdaknokt : sorry, I found that funny
 
@sehe well you are dereferencing billions of pointers just to increment a variable 100 times.
 
10:21 PM
Ok.
 
@sehe it's bound to take some resources
 
and just discovering the chat place (where have I been??) so clicking a lil everywhere
 
it's resource-bound
 
I want to use this in my code some day: f * * k. It's valid, unlike your argument.
 
yes, *hey++ 1000 times is resource bound
 
10:24 PM
Am I allowed to star this one?
 
I don't care. Just don't star everything. :p
 
@psycho Nope
 
you're a psycho, what do you care what you're allowed to do
 
@classdaknokt : promise, I'll calm!
 
10:26 PM
erm... if I have a shared_ptr to an object. is returning a week_ptr kind of like saying "here, you can play with this, but when ever I feel like it, I can get rid of it" and can you specifically return a weak_ptr? lastly, this is a job for std::move right?
 
@stdOrgnlDave : quiet period for the moment, my psy told me to work on myself
 
you know a remote code dump seems more like a feature than a bug
 
@psycho Hope that's not realted to 'Month of May Project' [NSFW]
 
nope, for the sexual part she told me to work on herself
 
Wow that must be the most awesome event ever to participate in.
 
10:30 PM
@thecoshman Moving in a week is what I'd call, signed short notice;
 
signed is the default.
 
Masturbation time—men: 7 hours and 45 minutes
oO
 
Continuously?
 
@classdaknok_t Well. Jokes ending in a punchline is pretty much the default as well. So why don't we just omit them too?
 
the page is not telling, or I missed
I missed. Continuously.
 
10:32 PM
@stdOrgnlDave heed this and take notice:
Should be 4: 4
Our number of pointers is: 805306368
Should be 4: 4
Shuffling internal pointers to mess with the cache
Starting benchmark of 1000 dereferences:
Time: 1489.68s
Should be 1004: 1004

Trivial function replication benchmark commencing...
That took: 0s

real	24m56.250s
user	24m43.109s
sys	0m12.765s
 
@thecoshman No.
 
@sehe almost perfect linear scale. thanks!
 
It's more like "whenever you want, and if I didn't get rid of this by that time, you may take hold of it."
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought the idea of weak_ptr's is that they also point to something that a shared_ptr points to, but if there are no shared_ptr's pointing to it, then the object get's deleted, and the weak_ptrs are no longer valid
 
4
Q: Stack Exchange Community Statistics results: Which questions are the least frequently answered?

Jon SeigelQuestion source: Which questions are the least frequently answered? Note: the results here are only for Stack Overflow, as that is the most difficult to analyze due to data size. All the queries for this one are public, so if you want to run against the other sites, you can do so at your leisure...

 
10:35 PM
@thecoshman Yes, but "here, you can play with this, but when ever I feel like it, I can get rid of it" is not entirely correct.
If he client locks the shared_ptr, you cannot get rid of it unless the wants does so too.
 
sbi
@classdaknok_t Actually, chicks eat bugs and worms, not mammals and fish.
 
@sbi I'm of a special kind.
I eat whatever I like.
 
I thought chicks ate... Nevermind.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Dust?
 
@GManNickG Yay, C++ not on the list.
 
sbi
10:38 PM
@classdaknok_t You're the fish-and-mammal-eating chicken from hell.
 
and am is `weak_ptr<foo> getWeak(){ return move(mySharedFooPtr); } valid and the right way to do it
 
@sbi "from hell" well said.
 
You don't move shared_ptr into weak_ptr.
 
@sbi I was going to point out shrews, but then worked out how that was meant to be read
 
10:38 PM
It probably won't even compile.
 
weak_ptr is so confusing.
 
What's confusing about it?
 
oh yeah, there is some sort of 'getWeakPtr' function isn't there
 
sbi
weak_ptr is so weak.
 
I doesn't make sense to me. What's the purpose of it?
 
10:39 PM
any way. Time for me to hit the sack. Night all
 
weak_ptr ctor takes shared_ptr.
It's even implicit IIRC.
 
@CatPlusPlus make sense :P thanks
night
 
Later.
 
@classdaknok_t To have a non-owning reference to a shared object.
 
How is it different from a raw pointer then?
 
user406009
10:41 PM
It can tell you whether the object is still alive.
 
Ah I see.
Makes sense now.
AAAAH!! đŸ˜±
 
user406009
Of course, you could simply inform all users that it is dead in the constructor, but that would require changing code for each additional user.
 
Hello.
 
Nothing'Ï‚ up.
That sigma wasn't intentional.
I accidentally my Greek keyboard.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Unless and combined (only just in top 50 of problematic sub-topics):
> c++ c 9994 1199 12.0
 
10:46 PM
Ssssh.
@classdaknok_t How did you type that?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes using the Greek keyboard on my iPod.
I accidentally hit the "switch keyboard" button.
 
I mean, I get a regular sigma when I press "S", I need to press "W" for "end-of-word sigma".
 
@classdaknokt you're in SO chat on your iPod? is there a good app?
 
Web app.
@RMartinhoFernandes iPod chooses the right sigma automatically.
Σσσσσς
 
Oh, I see. The infamous Auto-Correct.
 
10:49 PM
iPad 1 here :-( retina envy
 
@ScottW 'desktop version'? - you mean chat.stackoverflow.com ?
@classdaknok_t What are you doing typing greek on an iPod, anyway?
 
No, not auto-correct. Just when you type a sigma it'll be Ï‚. When you type another letter it'll immediately fix it.
 
being a mega* programmer is hard work (for my computer). the Q on everyone's mind is, does this have a practical application? and the answer is, yes.
 
@sehe sometimes I want to type π.
 
@sehe That is a problematic sub-topic, IMO. Many (most?) people tagging a question with both are so clueless their questions are unanswerable.
 
10:50 PM
really, really INTERESTING practical applications
 
@JerryCoffin I know that :)
@ScottW I know about mobile SO proper, but mobile chat? Hyperlink?
 
Mobile chat is HORRIBLE.
 
@ScottW And I prefer the full version for SO too
@classdaknok_t Haven't ever tried it, since I immediately went back to desktop version of the site once I got the mobile version
 
I cannot even star messages or reply to them.
 
@JerryCoffin in fact, most of these 'problematic' tags would suffer from that: a surplus of poor questions, rather than a shortage of experts
 
10:52 PM
Normal chat without the (position: fixed;) sidebar would be great as a mobile chat.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Yup, the suspense has reached climax, spill the beans!
 
@sehe I did what seemed to me a bit more sensible sort: percentage unanswered, descending: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/68939
Looked at this way, there are a fair number I found somewhat surprising.
 
@sehe well, I mean, you can paralellize this program. but it's linear
 
Neither C# nor .NET does nearly as well as C++ or C, for example.
 
With Mono for Android, does anyone know if you have to install a VM or something on the android devices you want to run your programs on
similar to Wine
 
10:55 PM
@ScottW They cut all the features and removed style sheets. I can do that
 
@sehe think about it from there on your own, you'll see
@sehe (it doesn't actually do the shuffle it claims to, that was a PITA)
ok BYE ALL
 
Later.
 
@classdaknok_t Später
 
God I'm bored to death.
 
Batman Y U GFWL.
 
10:57 PM
GFWL?
go for water lake?
 
Games for Windows Live.
 
C++ should have comefrom from INTERCAL.
A friend of mine read "INTERCAL" as "INTERRACIAL". Probably the same thing.
xD nice pun.
TIL: "INTERCAL" is an abbreviation for "programming language with no pronounceable acronym."
@CatPlusPlus better than Steam. Which Batman? Arkham Alysum?
 
Both use GFWL, and you're crazy if you think GFWL is better than Steam.
 
Anything is better than Steam.
 
Hm, I don't know which StackExchange site to use for an applied mathematical optimization question.
 
11:03 PM
You're really crazy.
 
No, I just don't pay for games.
That said, I did pay for Minecraft but that's the only game I play. :P
 
sometimes it's wierd how my brain isn't quite connected to my fingers. I wanted to open notepad, so I opened the start menu, when to the run thing, and typed "calc" and hit enter.
 
Guess you have brain problems.
 
You even misspelled "weird" due to a typo caused by your brain not being well connected to your fingers.
 
Misspelled due to a typo, you say.
 
11:05 PM
@classdaknok_t I always misspell weird, that's not related to fingers. :(
 
Hmm, that's weird.
 
And that whole 5 activations business. GFWL sucks.
 
But if you're a duck and you moo, the connection to your fingers is not the only thing which is wrong in your brain. :P
 
@GManNickG I think that's a tossup between Bicycles and Cooking. Oh wait...maybe you were serious? No, you'd know better than to do something like that here!
 
@JerryCoffin Har har. :)
 
11:08 PM
@GManNickG Hey, at least I didn't link to Tropes!
 
I'm immune to tropes! :D
 
@GManNickG I should probably program the router to block it...
 
3
Q: Cyclic Template

Sam HertzSuppose template class A is defined as follows: template <typename T> class A { B<T> b; }; Suppose template class B is defined as follows: template <typename T> class B { A<T> a; }; Ideally, these classes would be defined in separate headers with inlined impl...

 
Well, gotta go fora while. Later all.
 
Dat answer LOL.
 
11:10 PM
See ya.
 
Later.
 
I think I have to dial down the quality settings. I'm getting an amazing amount of 9 FPS on average.
 
@JerryCoffin: (BTW & FWIW, this site seems to be what I want.)
 
9 FPS is quite a lot actually ... (say for reading comics)
 
I love when games have a minute of unskipable logos at the start.
 
11:16 PM
I rather hate that.
 
hmm, if my naive quicksort does exactly N-1 comparisons for all N, that seems like an issue, right?
 
And nVidia logo. in. every. damn. game.
@classdaknok_t No, really?
 
Also, why does my naive quicksort use only a third of the comparisons of std::sort? That seems odd.
 
Is std::sort implemented using quick sort?
 
@classdaknok_t usually, falling over to heap/insertion sort
 
11:19 PM
libc++'s sort recognizes patterns, for example.
 
@classdaknok_t say what now?
 
Now 42 FPS on average, better.
 
@classdaknok_t It's unspecified, but as far as I know they all do what Mooing Duck said, which is called introsort.
 
@MooingDuck it's optimized for the most common usages (i.e. not for sorting an array of real random numbers, but rather data that often occurs in practice).
 
But why can't I change the language anywhere. Gaah.
 
11:21 PM
@classdaknok_t oh, makes sense. Kinda.
 
There's an article about it somewhere.
Or a video.
 
hmm, std::sort on MSVC is ~37% faster than my naive quicksort, which is in turn 66% faster that my inplace quicksort for 10000000 elements.
but for 100000000 std::sort is 14.39x faster than naive quicksort.
 
0
A: Why am I observing multiple inheritance to be faster than single?

MysticialNote, this answer is highly speculative. Unlike some of my other answers to questions of the type "Why is X slower than Y", I've been unable to provide solid evidence to backup this answer. After tinkering with this for about an hour now, I think it's due to the address alignment of three thi...

Here's my attempt at that impossible inheritance answer...
Not a great one though...
 
> For example, removing the system("pause") inverts the times:
That's a kicker ^
 
@sehe Yeah, that was pretty cool when I noticed it...
 
11:39 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes if you haven't looked at my inplace sort ideone.com/4iCSo already, I just added in a naive quicksort with roughly corresponding optimizations. On Ideone, my sort is faster, but on my machine my sort is ~50% slower than quicksort with both MSVC10 and GCC 4.5.4
 
@MooingDuck I say -O0 vs -O2 makes the difference?
 
@sehe oh, probably related
is Ideone -O0?
 
Fellas, i wasn't able to find a subversion or CVS room, but here is a quick question. How do i make a CVS dump? Is it just a backup or any tool for that?
 

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