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8:00 AM
A roll of condensed Star Trek Goodness
 
@DomagojPandža buildtheenterprise.org
 
Conventional propulsion systems are conceptually flawed simply by considering scope. We need a new solution, consistent with relativity, but just some hole in the nature's law scripture which would enable us to circumvent the light barrier. 299792457.99... m/s simply is not enough. Not to mention power requirements and the time dilation consequences which are simply not acceptable.
Just our own galaxy has a damn 100 thousand LY diameter.
 
I admire the guy's passion, but it is a slightly ambitious project
 
The passion is the most important thing of all. Everyone laughed at the Wright brothers when they wanted to fly. Today, Airbus A380 roams the sky.
 
Okay, but the Wright brothers didn't attempt to make a 747 Boeing commercial airliner
 
8:07 AM
You have to admit that they tried to make a bird for humans, which was unthinkable in those times, just in stories.
Like the Enterprise, which is the unthinkable from sci-fi stories
 
A bird is not a 747 Boeing commercial airliner!
 
Then it was. :)
You must judge a time by its own merits, many things change.
And the rate of change today is amazing.
 
@DomagojPandža No, the most important factor is that the Wright brothers basically just had to harness and improve existing technology. They had an idea of how to approach the problem, of how to make something fly. Whereas that thing requires you to invent entirely new technologies which you have no clue how to even approach
 
Though I honestly do think that most of modern technological advancements are the consequence of science fiction dreaming
 
@Neil Indeed.
@jalf Oh, there are many ways to approach it. It just requires a lot of money to even begin contemplating such a thing.
 
8:10 AM
Radical new technologies don't generally appear just from people going "we need a technology to do X. Let's pour a lot of money and manpower at it". That is a great way to incrementally improve existing technologies, but it won't give us something completely new
@DomagojPandža How, exactly, would more money allow you to circumvent the speed of light?
We have no fucking clue if it's possible, or if it is, how to do it. All the money in the world wouldn't change that. Hopefully, one day, some bright genius is going to come up with a crazy idea which'll work. But it's not something you can plan for, or really "work towards"
 
@jalf True, but it forces people to consider its feasibility. Some scientists more passionate about that particular aspect more than others might actually lose time and energy testing its possibilities without external funding
If it can be thought up from existing technologies and it is something people desire, you will see funding for it
 
I am not talking about anything new, there a lot of good theories and assumptions. Circumventing the barrier of speed of light is most certainly not intended in a local sense. A lot of the theories have found breaches in their design, like Alcubierre's metric which allowed a mathematical formulation of a warp bubble, unfortunately it's very design required exotic matter and recent considerations yielded a fatal flaw due to hawking radiation.
Working with what we already have to discover our own solar system is the way to go, uncover new resources, new ideas on unknown territories
nobody can really say what we can find up there, even in our neighbourhood.
 
@DomagojPandža that's true
 
If nobody thought there could be alien life forms somewhere in the universe, would it surprise you in the least if we never went to the moon?
 
There are reflectors on the moon set up in 1969.
which were used to determine the distance from Earth to the Moon
Also, ESA launched mapping satellites which discovered the remnants of the 1969. mission
If there had been a cover up, Russia and Europe would've fucked the US in the ass all over the news.
Not discovered, just photographed (they knew where it is, eh)
 
sbi
8:17 AM
@DomagojPandža Actually, they attempted to equip the already existing birds for humans with propulsion. They were by no means the first to fly.
 
It would have to be an amazingly elaborate conspiracy, involving most of the world's major countries, and relying on a huge number of people across several generations, all keeping their mouths shut indefinitely
 
I don't see a reason for such a conspiracy. If there had been some cover ups, ever in history, it's probably something so bad I probably don't want to know about it.
 
Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams
 
sbi
@jalf Actually, radical new technology rarely "appears" at all. It's incremental improvements what drives our progress. You can also see this in the fact that so many inventions are disputed over for first discovery: when the time is ripe (that is, the underlying technology is there), many people at the same time will attempt to raise the same barrier.
 
I can say only one thing for a certain fact, nobody has really tried. Nobody. Jerking off over the paper is not an attempt.
 
8:21 AM
Somehow, I don't think this is an appropriate question for stackoverflow, and possibly not even the chatroom, but I figure some of may've been in my situation before and may be able to help.

Have any of you ever written a personal statement for a scholarship about your hobbies & activities and had to describe your interest in computer science?
 
sbi
The puppy just crawled out of its basket.
 
@Jeremy I had to write a personal statement about my interest in CS for my application to university.
@sbi Crawled is the right word. Woke up way too early again.
 
@DeadMG At least you fell asleep, even for a few hours. :/
 
Hey, my problem is that I think I may be using terminology that is a bit too technical, and I don't know if I will simply be disregarded by the cuncellor(or whoever is reviewing it) or not. I don't know if someone who actually understands the field will be reading it or not.
 
sbi
Can you guys please have a look at this and tell me what you think about it? Should I rip this apart and split it into several questions?
 
8:23 AM
its an enterance scholarship, so they expect students coming in straight from hs
high-school*
 
@sbi Definitely. Or wait, should I click on the link first?
 
I can link you to take a quick look over it if you don't mind, it ony starts using terminology that is hard to understand even in its context a paragraph or two down.
 
@Jeremy If the guy reading your letter can't understand the technical terms involved on a question he (and the rest of the respected faculty) imposed, are you sure you wish to attend such a school?
It's like submitting something so delicious to a cook school and they ignore you because it's too good.
 
@Jeremy no link -> can't give opinion
@sbi looking
 
@sbi yeah, that's a better way to put it I guess
 
8:27 AM
Well, its a general enterance scholarship from a high-school student, I don't think they expect something that requires someone of a particular field to read is my problem. It'd be different I suppose if it were for a particular field. And Np DeadMg, thanks for your help :)
 
I personally don't care about the rep and therefore don't care if that kind of thing happens. However, if you do, then feel free to split it. It serves the same purpose either way.
 
sbi
@jalf Given how much noise was created over some of the FAQ entries being accused to be rep-whoring, I am very reluctant.
 
I'm not sure how the general process goes. If they will hand it off to someone more able to read or if they will just flip over to the next application
 
@sbi hmm? What do FAQ entries have to do with anything?
 
@Jeremy Over here, at least, each department conducts their own interviews and judges their own applications.
just link me to it so I can read it :P
 
8:29 AM
oh I thought you didn't want me to link you, lol. ALright I'll get a link to it
 
sbi
@jalf Oops, I didn't follow your reference and thought you were replying to a different message of mine. Sorry.
 
lol
Basically, i am just trying to illustrate my passion for the field and how I came to choose the course. Just ignore minor grammar errors its a rough dratf.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H1XUSxG5lMuB25w_zRLuEFvqIwYPRMecOu8r30sgp4k/edit#
Also this is my first stab at anything like a personal statement :S
 
ok
let me tell you something
 
To give some context, I am 18 years old and applying for an EE program. Graduating this year
 
hmm, EE
not sure exactly what that entails
 
8:33 AM
Well
computer and electrical engineering*
but
 
the point I'm about to make, regardless of whether or not it's still relevant, is
computer science only has a tangental, at best, relationship to actual useful programming work
this is something I wish I'd learned before I picked my degree
 
Computer Science is to software engineering what physics is to technology.
Talking about it, rather than doing.
 
ahh I see
 
it mostly contains utterly worthless faffing around instead of the skills you need to actually make something
 
oh xd Well I described some example i nlike the fourth or third paragraph (or fifth) let me check
 
8:36 AM
if you're not on a CS course, then I guess you might not be affected- all I'm saying is that the people who write courses have one interpretation of CS, and the people who choose those programs have a different interpretation, and you want to make sure that they match before committing
 
well
ah alright
 
@sbi just not in the mood
 
Do you think its an alright personal statement though?
 
@thecoshman Bad day?
 
oh, I actually stopped reading once you started talking about all the languages you'd used so that I could come back and tell you how little CS lecturers care
 
8:38 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes A fun way to generate indices.
 
oh xd
 
@DomagojPandža oh the day is great. It's just the grinding job that sucks
 
@thecoshman What do you do?
 
didn't miss much, it seems
here's a hint: writing code is only impressive if it's good code
there are millions of Java programmers who churn out piles of crap every year
 
Same for C++.
 
8:40 AM
when you talk about the code that you've written, then it opens the possibility that you did well, but far from guarantees it
 
lol yeah ik. Its just to explain how I got in to the particular field. Its more relavent on this paragram here
sec
 
I'd want to actually see any of the code before making any decision
and listin every program you ever wrote is really not necessary
pick like, a couple
 
alright
 
and you want to focus on the most difficult parts
for example, there are several articles suggesting that people who can't do recursion and pointers are simply unsuited to programming, full stop, and I have this nice octree code which uses both
 
Hmm, well I described how I achieved polymorphism in C with the vex robot using virtual function tables in paragram 5; hows that?
 
8:43 AM
paragraph, not paragram
 
Morning!
 
why do I keep autocorrecting to paragram
*sigh
paragraph
 
good morning everybody :) Summer has finally arrived in the UK
 
Skipping courses feels great
 
:S
 
8:43 AM
Here too! It's pretty hot
 
The most impressive stuff, make it look elegant, structure it. Analyze it's design, perhaps you can do it better now. Be consistent, write proper code which respects the specification standards and best practices. Like DeadMG said, also try to find the really intelligent parts of your most impressive work. They don't care about the boilerplate behind it.
 
@DomagojPandža Java developer. Big ass system that is very poorly not really designed, which require loads of shitty tools, all of which work against you. For Christ's sake, we have a Q+A site for a issue tracking with one of our internal tools!
 
@KonradRudolph It was here yesterday. I put my drink in the freezer
 
@Cicada :)
Morning to you too
 
Finally summer? It's ten million degrees centigrade in here…
 
8:45 AM
@DeadMG True, but today I took the bike to work and the wind was actually warm rather than chilly
 
@Jeremy Hmmm. If I were you, I'd pick the kernel work. That stuff isn't particularly trivial.
also, do not ever mention singletons as a powerful OOP technique
anyone who knows programming just lowered their opinion of you quite dramatically
 
lol alright
 
He's not joking, Jeremy :D
 
Singletons are very powerful in OOP languages.
:P
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik So is NULL pointer de-referencing, but I still wouldn't list it :P
 
8:47 AM
Aw yes
One of my favourite sports
Null pointer dereferencing
 
Yeah, they're powerful. When they fail, shit hits the fan the size of a Titanic propeller.
 
Yeah IK. Tbh I was just pulling up whatever came to mind when I thought "oop" didn't think very carefully about that one. Now that I think of it, I've only ever used singletons a handfull of times.
 
Null pointer dereferencing is for C noobs.
 
what it shows is that you have no idea about the long-term problems they bring
 
I'm a C noob <3
 
8:48 AM
bans
 
nobody who had to maintain a non-trivial application would recommend Singletons- ever.
 
What would you recommend instead
 
Multitons.
 
inb4 "Haskell"
 
That's why experience on a relatively large project is more then desired.
 
8:49 AM
I've never had a big problem with them, but then again I have never really used the extensivly either
 
I use them extensively in Objective-C, but nowhere else.
 
@Cicada holly fuck, do you really think singletons are a good pattern?
 
@thecoshman No no. I'm just asking what to use instead
I use static classes but
 
A global, if you really need one.
 
I suck at programming
 
8:50 AM
Yeah, in Objective-C they're actually endorsed (even Apple propagates their usage at WWDCs). Personally, it's like selling your soul to the devil. Perhaps at a time they seem like a good idea, but it comes to bite you in the ass afterwards.
 
Use free functions and a global.
 
Objective-C sucks, so.
 
I can't say I am a big fan of objective-c either, mind you I just looked at it and turned away
 
I prefer Cat Plus Plus and Lolcode.
 
Hello cat
pat
 
8:52 AM
In Objective-C I have to make inspector panel controllers subclasses of NSWindowController, so I need a singleton.
 
If you want to use singleton, you have to be able to justify it.
 
@Cicada the thing with singletons, is it's an object that thinks it knows how it should be used. If you need to manage the instances of a class, use a manager/factory class. If you only want one instance, only make one instance
 
And "I want it available globally" is not a good reason.
And "I need just one" is not a good reason, either.
 
"But the name sounds good" isn't a good reason?
 
sbi
Wow, there's a new major version of TotalCommander, plus an Android version.
 
8:53 AM
Oh singleton talk? This must be why I can't sleep.
 
I think the only half good reasons is "I made this class badly, and it will break if more then one exists"
 
@ScottW It's mine. No can do!
 
sbi
@GMan, what are you still doing here? Go to bed!
 
@thecoshman Bullshit, it just knows how it is instantiated. Big difference
 
Objective-C has a singleton class NSNull, which represents null values in arrays, since you cannot store nil in an array. :P
 
8:54 AM
Singletons have their uses – rare, but legitimate uses
 
Very rare.
 
Very very rare.
 
Almost Raw, actually
 
@KonradRudolph true enough
 
I've never seen a valid use of a Singleton.
 
8:54 AM
@thecoshman That kind of goes against the spirit of enforcing constraints using compile-time constructs.
@DeadMG Your mom.
 
@StackedCrooked what part?
 
@StackedCrooked She's not available globally.
 
Cloning is possible
 
@thecoshman "If you only want one instance then only make one."
 
Classes themselves are singletons in Objective-C. They are instances of their singleton metaclasses. XD
 
8:55 AM
There's this diplomatic thing called SingletonHolder.
 
Alright, so drop the talk of singletons, improvise more on kernel development. What about the paragraph where I talk about programming the vex robot in C?
 
@StackedCrooked yeah, not really the best advice :P
@RadekdaknokSlupik who gives a crap about Objective-C
 
I do. I have to use it.
 
So there can only be one instance of SingletonHolder<T> for each T.
 
@sbi I can't sleep!
 
8:56 AM
@RadekdaknokSlupik I have to use Java, I don't give a crap about it though
 
Hiding dependencies is a much more serious crime than not enforcing a silly constraint.
 
sbi
@GManNickG I wouldn't be able to sleep either if I would hang out here. (Well, I did do exactly this last night, until after midnight, and paid a hefty price this morning, when I had to bully a bunch of kids out the door.)
 
@GManNickG People have died because of that.
 
@thecoshman I wouldn't take a Java job unless I really have no other option
 
8:57 AM
@StackedCrooked I think wrapping a class into a singleton holder is probably the only acceptable way to use them
 
@Jeremy Drop it.
drop everything that talks about programming except two bits: the bit that first interested you, and the bit which you choose to be most impressive.
 
@Cicada I needed a job. I only had the faintest hint of how to use Java when I started
 
@DeadMG Then you didn’t look hard enough
 
@KonradRudolph Name one.
 
Registry
 
8:58 AM
@KonradRudolph I can only speak to the programs I've written and what I've seen other people use them for.
 
Registry of what?
 
Resource manager
 
@KonradRudolph Ever heard of WOW64 virtualization?
 
Alright, thanks DeadMg.
 
@CatPlusPlus Whatever you like – plugins for instance
 
8:58 AM
@KonradRudolph That might be a valid case for a global. There's no need for a singleton
 
'Manager' is antipattern in itself.
 
or configuration
 
He means an in-application registry I guess
 
@KonradRudolph I see no reason why having two registries is fundamentally wrong.
 
@DeadMG What about it?
 
8:59 AM
Not the Windows Reg
 
Especially if you want it testable. Then it's nice to be able to create a small dummy registry just for the duration of the test
 
@CatPlusPlus what if I call it a 'leader'?
 
Making configuration a singleton is a fail.
 
@GManNickG It may be meaningless in some situations
 
Fail fail fail.
 
8:59 AM
the singleton merely formalises this
 
There's more than one configuration set when user edits the configuration.
 
@CatPlusPlus pray, why?
 
@KonradRudolph Well, the Windows machine actually possesses two registries- the WOW64 virtualized one, and the real one.
 
Singletons are great! Use them whenever possible! (That way, you'll go to hell and I don't have to see you again in heaven.)
 
@KonradRudolph Fair enough.
 
8:59 AM
Also testing.
 
@KonradRudolph Most applications have more than one configuration. There are the settings currently in effect, and the settings currently being defined by the user clicking around in the "preferences" window. Two sets of settings, not one
 
@DeadMG Ok, I wasn’t talking about the Windows registry but fair point
 

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