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7:00 PM
@sbi Ah... ok. It kind of ties in with what I want to know about linq..
 
@LewsTherin What's your problem?
 
Yay, serialisation!
Yes, please.
ASAP.
 
Have you seen the existing proposals?
 
Serialization + tuples = OMG
 
@sbi you been on r/pickle?
 
7:01 PM
There's a "language construct to iterate through type's members" proposal.
 
Xeo
Great, I had to pause because of my brother. :<
 
@EtiennedeMartel I am trying to differentiate between the objects Model AND (model=>model.Attribute) generated by ASP. What do they do :S
 
Woah.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion See what I replied to with that.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Introspection / reflection
 
7:01 PM
Lol, SMS messaging.
 
Hi guys. Don't mean to intrude, but what was the deal with that flagged post?
 
We don't know.
 
@LewsTherin You're using WebForms or MVC?
 
@EtiennedeMartel MVC II
 
Clang in 15 minutes.
 
7:02 PM
On of the Poco authors suggested building a C++ GUI library on top of IUP.
 
OK. I deleted it to keep Dzek Trek from being auto-banned.
 
sbi
@MichaelMyers I usually approve any flag on a non-English message, because when I don't know what it says, it might say something objectionable.
 
nice - Clang talk 8^)
 
@StackedCrooked Why does it have to be in C. :.
 
Wait, someone validated that?
 
7:03 PM
I don't see nor care about flags.
 
@sbi Yeah, I see that kind of message a lot in Hindi rooms.
 
@MichaelMyers I didn't flag that.
 
he's a cat, he only cares about sleeping
 
Break.
Time to get food and tea.
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't think it has to be. But a C library is not less suitable than a C++ one if you're going to create C++ wrapper around it anyway.
 
7:04 PM
@TonyTheLion And eating.
 
Right then, carry on.
 
Did you use that IUP? I'm always looking for good UI libraries.
 
Stress on always.
Forever.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yea, seems so
 
sbi
@MichaelMyers It was a Polish message @DzekTrek posted here. I don't know what it said.
 
7:04 PM
Especially if they can work with OpenGL.
 
@CatPlusPlus @CatPlusPlus I never really tried it. I once planned to, but got distracted.
 
@MichaelMyers I didn't know I can't use Polish. :(
 
OpenGL, another mind boggling thing I need to some day get my head around
 
@MichaelMyers How much do I have time before I get banned?
 
you won't get banned
 
7:05 PM
The ban is for 30 minutes, and the flag was removed anyway.
 
@DzekTrek Don't panic.
 
@MichaelMyers Thanks!
 
What did I miss? Herb measured the language and standard library sizes. Anything interesting before that?
 
@DzekTrek Eh... we prefer English, but there's really no rule. The only real issue is posting non-English messages in rooms where English is the common language.
 
7:06 PM
But you would have been banned for 30 minutes if one more user had flagged it.
 
I'm gonna watch all the GoingNative stuff bit by bit when I have some time
and when I'm not on Reddit :P
lulz
 
@MichaelMyers I won't say a word of Polish here. I am so sorry for posting it, but I wanted to reply on Polish message as well on my grandparents mother tongue.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion That reads "never" to me. :)
 
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Q: C++ Integer, Binary and Decimal classes

crew4okIn the university i've the task to design and implement three classes in c++: Integer (as an abstract), Binary and Decimal, with an array as a digit storage AND Integer should contain virtual methods of arithmetic operations. So i've got some misunderstandings about the last point...what's signa...

 
@MichaelMyers Who was that who flagged me anyway? And why he did it?
 
7:08 PM
@sbi oh no, I will. I started watching yesterday already
 
@DzekTrek Well, if it bothers the others in this room, you can always create a room for Polish if you want.
 
@MichaelMyers it's a nice proposal, maybe I and Fanael can do something about it. :) There is a lot of Poles and other Slavs around here.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek See, I don't have a problem with you saying something in your native language here. I'm known to say some German once in a while myself. But I do have a problem if some people start a discussion in a language 95% of the users here don't understand.
 
Is it me or is the 'wait muzak' for GN2012 bad-ass in a strange kind of way. i can't make my mind up whether it is pulp or great.
I'm gonna stick with 'great pulp'
 
7:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus understands Polish
I think
 
@sbi, you have a point. We should speak only German or English.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek Don't think about it. Just open a new room. It costs nothing, and maybe users will trickle in.
 
Xeo
@sehe Just call it interesting :)
 
Gosh, no. No gibberish in my order, please.
 
7:10 PM
@Xeo The sounds are really good sometimes. The compositions... interesting at times
 
sbi
@DzekTrek No, that is not my point. I don't want German to be spoken here either, because 70% of the users here don't understand it either.
 
listen to the Bonobo in Disguise :P
despite the fact that really I'm King here :)
 
Xeo
I just noticed that FF has cross-window tracking of tabs I have open
 
Anyway, I am saved of being banned which is cool, but who flagged me remains a secret, which is not. @sbi OK, we won't speak German or Polish, just English here.
 
@Xeo What does that even mean?
 
7:12 PM
I wondered the same
 
sbi
9 mins ago, by sbi
@MichaelMyers I usually approve any flag on a non-English message, because when I don't know what it says, it might say something objectionable.
One of those flags was mine.
 
@DzekTrek Flags have always been private. Same with downvotes. Unless the flagger/downvoter wants to explain publicly, like sbi.
 
I don't generally approve any flag, cause clicking "Invalid" is easier than clicking "valid" :P
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Say I have stackoverflow mainpage open on one window, and type in "stackoverflow.com" on another window, it will show the "Switch tab" option and will actually switch the window too
 
@sbi To be honest I am so scared now of writing anything on any other language except English. :(
 
7:12 PM
I generally go the "not sure" route.
 
sbi
@Xeo You mean you can drag tabs between windows, right? It's been allowing that for a long time now.
 
@sbi how do you do that?
 
@DzekTrek Calm down.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek There's no need to be scared.
 
7:13 PM
@DzekTrek If it's in your own room, you shouldn't worry. There are a ton of non-English chat rooms here.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion With your mouse. (Really, what am I supposed to answer to that?)
 
this is not a scary place, just a Lounge
 
This is an international room, and the official language is English.
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@sbi I don't get it
 
The revolution is not even scheduled yet. No need to be scared.
 
7:13 PM
@DzekTrek I don't see the problem with not writing something else than English. Just start your own room if you feel so inclined :)
 
We'll just likely to ignore non-English messages.
 
@sbi I was so closed to ban, how i won't be scared?
 
IGNORE ALL THE MESSAGES
 
Xeo
@sbi No, I meant what I explained afterwards. :)
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I'm sorry. I've fixed my message. Do you now understand?
 
Xeo
7:14 PM
@DzekTrek It's a 30minute, chat-only ban
 
@TonyTheLion Stared that, now everyone will be yelled at by the sidebar.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek Many of us have been banned for 30mins before. What's so bad about it?
 
@sbi no, my logic unit has thrown an exception, and there was no handler
 
@Xeo Oh? chat only 30 mins? That's not so scary at all then.
 
sbi
7:15 PM
@TonyTheLion "...you can drag tabs between windows..."
 
@EtiennedeMartel stared it???!!
@sbi chrome allows you to do that too
 
@DzekTrek Be scared proportionate to the ban? Be scared for about 30 minutes worth of ban. There, done
 
sbi
@Xeo Where? I'm trying to have three discussions at the same time, and I keep losing track of all of them... :(
 
I'm not scared of a ban
 
It's already been 20 minutes anyway. :P
 
7:16 PM
a ban is scared of me
2
 
Xeo
@sbi Some lines above your message
 
Ha, ape fails at multitasking.
3
 
Music stopped.
 
Xeo
chandler's talk!
 
@MichaelMyers :)
 
sbi
7:16 PM
@Xeo Which one? Weeps.
 
It's starting.
 
Xeo
4 mins ago, by Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Say I have stackoverflow mainpage open on one window, and type in "stackoverflow.com" on another window, it will show the "Switch tab" option and will actually switch the window too
 
I'll get you one day.
 
Xeo
Keep dreaming, robot.
 
7:17 PM
my own polish blood betrayed me. Someone told me via skype it was Fenel
 
Wait, what?
 
"Why are we building another compiler?" — Because all of them suck, that's why
 
heheh
 
Hey, this guy is young. WTF?
 
aren't we all young?
 
sbi
7:18 PM
@Xeo Ah, I see. Thanks. Yeah, that it's been doing for a few months now. I find it annoying, because I had learned to keep track of where my tabs are without this. But once you have ignored those "switch" suggestions for a while, they keep getting pushed down on the list, so by now I don't even see them anymore.
 
Xeo
XKCD :D
 
xkcd.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion No. :(
 
Relatively we all are.
 
I will have 22 for 6 months
 
7:20 PM
@TonyTheLion The ape claims to be old.
 
Woa, Richard Stallman is a fanatic.
 
Stallman zealotry bashing!
@EtiennedeMartel You didn't know that?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes he only claims it
 
"Stallman is crazy!"
 
30 years from now he'll think back on how young he was when he said this.
 
7:20 PM
Oh, look, wat.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I did not realize it was that bad.
 
gets claps from Redmond
 
The same image was in wat talk.
@EtiennedeMartel Really? It's "non-GPL-software-is-evil" RMS we're talking about.
 
k
 
sbi
7:22 PM
@TonyTheLion You are among the few guys here who have seen my rapidly greying scalp.
 
@sbi lol
 
That's one badass dragon.
 
@sbi I'm trying to make you feel young (as you seem to think that you are old)
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel And it's the LLVM logo :)
 
7:23 PM
I told you Clang exists because GCC license sucks.
 
Still no lambdas!
 
That's a small thing alright.
 
sbi
:2539159 People are regularly posting links to youtube here. If I was you I'd watch the current discussion to see if it fits the mood. (Since I'm not you, though, I regularly disrespect this rule of thumb and just splash right in here with whatever link I fancy sharing. Not always, though.)
 
7:24 PM
after this they are coming
 
Xeo
But the development of lambdas is going nicely!
 
Lambdas not missing on next release!
 
lambdas are coming in next Clang release
 
Also bugs.
 
7:25 PM
never used clang :(
 
@sbi so how should I behave, like you or like following-rules dude?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion That's a very cheap trick. You aren't trying to make anyone else feel young. What message do you think this gets across?
 
He's getting excited xD
 
@sbi :(
 
7:25 PM
Monty Python fan here.
 
@sbi wasn't meant to offend you :( I apologize if I did
 
A true citizen of Internet.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek Until you are the Grumpy Old Manâ„¢ here, you're much better off following the rules.
 
Murphy is an angry dude
 
But how to become that Grumpy Old Man TradeMark here? @sbi
 
7:26 PM
:P
 
Damn you, Murphy!
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion No need to apology.
 
Murphy is behind the Titanic conspiracy?
Look, that's sbi in the slides!
 
Yeah, Murphy was a reptilian.
 
OK, folks, enough of trolling, there is a work to do. I need to go, c u all later. ;)
 
7:27 PM
code monkeys!
 
Murphy works for BP.
 
sbi
@DzekTrek You become old, you become grumpy, and you wait until all the older and grumpier have died or moved on to .NET and Java. Then you are the Grumpy Old Manâ„¢ in residence.
 
more code monkeys!
I'm a code Lion!
 
@sbi But you have moved to .NET!
 
Xeo
lol, House
 
7:28 PM
It's not lupus!
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes AND
You know basic boolean logic, right?
 
True, false, file_not_found.
 
True, false, E_NOSPACE
 
meh perhaps I should use clang to learn TMP better
 
Onoes, macro with a semicolon.
 
7:30 PM
Holy smokes.
 
I understand macros!
 
Oh my god.
 
bah macros
 
I still want a real language for preprocessor.
 
so is the preprocessor actually a good thing and just macros are bad?
 
7:32 PM
No.
Well, not that simple.
It's not good for compilation model.
 
Things are evil.
 
Macros can be useful.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion How do you think you can ever understand TMP without for hours crawling through kBytes of completely incomprehensible error messages?
 
@sbi euh, donno
those error messages are scary
 
7:33 PM
See Template Haskell.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Well, me neither.
 
Or Lisp, or Factor macros.
 
Ha, lost a slide.
 
I just realized how much Haskell has changed my programming style.
 
Poor Oscar.
 
sbi
7:34 PM
Oh no, Oscar Wilde is dead. :(
 
Oscar Wilde is illformed
 
Off-by-one error.
Lol.
 
Murphy again.
 
Oh, again Ts and Us with different lengths.
 
I am revisiting a library I abandoned a while ago, and it surprises me how functional (in the paradigm sense) Haskell has made me.
 
7:35 PM
warning: I can't believe it's not butter.
 
sbi
> Sometimes I feel like Murphy is my guardian angle.
 
warning: don't drink and drive
 
@sehe Yeah, it's hard to avoid spilling.
 
Remember kids: don't use memset.
 
7:36 PM
warning: remember the milk
 
std::fill.
 
> often it will mostly work
 
sbi
@sehe Don't sink and dive.
 
so true bout C++ code
 
sbi
std::fill(milk)
 
7:37 PM
@sbi warning: don't jinx and jibe
I wonder whether there is -flitterate-code to generate the ` // with zero` comment with that
 
Haha, int promotion craps.
 
he needs an ull
 
Hmm, buritos.
 
7:39 PM
came across this surprise recently...
 
C++ built-in literals are silly.
 
seems so
 
"" has stupid type, numbers require suffixes.
 
Comma!
 
7:40 PM
I'm so good.
 
Me too!
 
Or maybe it wasn't a comma.
 
8 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I like 0; // with zero.
 
Or maybe I'm bad at paying attention to chat and video and audio at the same time.
No dereference!
 
7:41 PM
it was the comma
 
Life is hard.
 
42 should be 1729? >:)
 
This stupid thing should never compile.
 
7:42 PM
what a stupid code checkcostumer()
 
false is equal to NULL for a pointer??
 
Yay, assignment.
 
@TonyTheLion false is convertible to zero.
 
what is more scary is that he said it was used by programmer all so far.
 
7:43 PM
C++ type system is still crappy.
 
false is a valid null pointer value.
 
@CatPlusPlus Way too many implicit conversions in there.
 
@MichaelMyers How can I join so physics with this account if I don't know my pass?
 
i =/*=*/ 42 <- clearly intentional. Clang should recognize this.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes you told us that :) perhaps in clang the preprocessor can flag it for the parse phase
 
7:43 PM
hahaha
 
Except compiler will never see that.
 
it's a box of emptiness / @RMartinhoFernandes
 
parenthesis
 
Because comments don't exist.
I don't remember last time I needed assignment in if.
 
I've only seen it in ugly C code
 
7:45 PM
@DzekTrek Can't you change your password?
 
This is annoying.
 
much more interesting if x names a class or function template
 
Why can't I use || and && without grouping?
 
I always put more parens than necessary, to avoid exactly this
 
Should I group * and + as well?
 
7:46 PM
ugh ternary
 
@MichaelMyers The thing is I forgot email pass too. @RMartinhoFernandes Agree.
 
return 42 + if b then x else y;
 
Xeo
(? x : y) is valid.. interesting stuff.
 
lol., of course Xeo
 
@Xeo Nah, parens are a bit off.
 
7:47 PM
It was (42 + b) ? x : y or 42 + (b ? x : y)
 
@DzekTrek As long as you're still logged in, you should be able to add a secondary login ID and then switch out your old one.
 
Python indentation lol
 
@CatPlusPlus you had the python premonition there
 
Where?
Missed it.
 
@sehe Except the code is Haskell. :P
 
7:48 PM
OK, nice how to do it? @MichaelMyers
 
Enums suck.
 
Since it is Cat, I'd expect factor, really?
 
@DzekTrek "My logins" on your user page, then "Add more logins"
 
That return 42 + if b then x else y was pseudo-code.
 
7:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus the robot pseudo interpreted it as such
 
Though something like that is in Rust.
 
Anyone here ever work with YouTube APIs in any capacity?
 
They have ret instead of return, I think.
Oh, hey, Sherlock.
 
@MichaelMyers - Fancy seeing you here
 
@Pubby perhaps you can get geddit to say what language it is (return 42 + if b then x else y)?
 
7:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus Sherlock?
 
Xeo
I just noticed the starting bar for chandler's talk is missing
Is that just me?
(I can't type today...)
 
Yeah, it's not there.
 
@CatPlusPlus the blessing of no-silverlight life: no bars held
 
Eh? You can't go back in the stream at all.
 
Clang supports attributes already?
 
7:52 PM
I think it's "what if" stuff.
 
wtf are attributes???
 
Or maybe not.
 
@CatPlusPlus Am I required to make sense?
 
never even heard of them
 
C++11 stuff.
 
Xeo
7:52 PM
C++11 __declspec (MSVC) and __attribute__(GCC)
 
@TonyTheLion No compiler implements AFAIK.
 
is it compile-type or run-time stuff (attributes)?
 
@TonyTheLion it's the same thing behind helgrind, DRD etc. it's just easier to annotate your own libs
 
Oh, they're not done.
 
Xeo
7:52 PM
Too many underscores xD
 
exclusive_locks_required seems cool
 
@kfmfe04 Just metadata for the compiler. Not fancy.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes ic - like compile-time hints to the compiler of our intentions
 
@MichaelMyers Thanks.
 
pragmas done right less wrong
 
7:54 PM
You can expand variadic packs there. Somehow.
 
meh, variadic pack expansion, another thing I need to learn about
 
Where is RMF... this problem should be solved at compile time, with a template class like PlaceValueNumber<'0', '1', '2'> ter1, ter2;.
 
Watch Andrei talk.
 
@TonyTheLion You should watch Andrei's talk from yesterday.
 
7:54 PM
ok
 
@KerrekSB What?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Some guy wants to write a class for binary and decimal integers, and it should support addition.
Why limit yourself to binary and decimal, if you could do it for an arbitrary alphabet?
 
@KerrekSB You know, you can build such a type from UDLs.
 
oh deep-seated problems
UDL?
 
User-defined literals.
 
7:56 PM
ah ok
 
from the hippocampus or motoric cortex of the instrumentation engine
 
static_assert(std::is_same<decltype(123_place_value_number), PlaceValueNumber<'1', '2', '3'>>::value, "This can be made to work!");
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Isn't that your answer for everything these days?
 
Awesome, clang helping make valgrind awesomer.
 
7:58 PM
he seems to like that shirt (saw it in the other talk he gave)
 
POSIX threads suck.
 
nah - they work fine
 
what's wrong with posix threads?
never used them
 
but std::thread is easier
 
They're C.
 
7:59 PM
nothing wrong with them
 
@kfmfe04 nah - they work fine FTFY
 
ugh C
 
-fcatch-undefined-behavior
Woah.
 
That's awesome.
 
7:59 PM
hehe
catch all the UB
 
Maybe I can actually build some Hell++ on top of that.
 
GCC is so gonna die.
 
@TonyTheLion Can't catch all of it.
 
-fcatch-undefined-behaviour -fvapor-ware :(
 

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