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12:00 AM
Well, no reply about code, just trolling, the only educated guy was Dzerk Trek
 
@kfmfe04 like every other scenario similar to that
 
lol
 
What.
 
You call it trolling, I call it honesty.
 
@ClaudioJunior thank you. :)
 
12:00 AM
I thought you could answer some question
 
Because he's throwing random "patterns" at you?
Blah.
 
@ClaudioJunior that's what we're here for. Unfortunately, you don't have an answerable question
 
I'm not interested in helping you anymore, sorry.
 
@CatPlusPlus shh... don't be jelous
 
Xeo
Wow, the plugin container for FF is killing my PC...
 
12:01 AM
ok, you did not help at all
 
C++ has a very steep learning curve, and not only that, the target is moving...
 
Talk is up.
I don't like to help people that don't want to think.
 
you know, C++ is falling not because it's a bad language
 
Because that's what pattern shopping really is: trying to not think.
 
it has so much trolls
someone want to help me?
 
12:02 AM
@ClaudioJunior we gave you a link to a book full of very helpful design patterns, please purchase it and read it
@ClaudioJunior we did, as much as we can
 
I appreciate
 
@Xeo which plugin?
 
I have one more question
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Silverlight, I guess
 
thank you for those doing this chat useful
 
12:03 AM
You do not write software by picking up a design pattern book, picking some random things and then trying to glue them together.
 
hey man, i know that
 
"Ooh, this pattern looks cool. It'll look very nice next to that other one."
 
I am collecting information
 
@CatPlusPlus mockery isn't helping
 
@Xeo Lol, guess I wasn't the only one who installed it today. :)
 
Xeo
12:04 AM
Nope, I had it installed for a long time already
 
@MooingDuck And somehow I'll live.
 
Awesome question.
 
you made me see design patters perhaps is not the answer
 
@Xeo But had to use it today...
 
thank you
 
12:05 AM
ok, what exactly do you want?
 
> I don't understand this.
 
sincerely, I have no idea what you need
 
now, will you help and make this chat a chat?
 
It is a chat.
It's not a helpdesk.
 
it's a refrigirator
 
12:05 AM
not with your comments
 
Xeo
> I wrote 40 lines of C# 2 weeks ago... 40 lines.
 
not a chat
 
> Ocasionally I write Windows batch files.
 
It's a penguin.
 
STL is a traitor!
 
12:06 AM
I write batch files, too. :(
 
@CatPlusPlus who gave you the right to call refrigirator a penguin? It's racist.
 
Huh, I didn't know I had so much cruft in my public repo.
 
Sluchacie
 
Oh, right, that's the borked repo.
 
12:08 AM
hey, does Qt or wxWidgets have unified ways of customizing their controls for all the platforms they run?
 
Xeo
> Tweet question to #GoingNative!
I did, now answer! :>
 
To be honest, I don't know, but I assume it does for all platforms.
 
@ClaudioJunior yes, just learn how they work, and follow those patterns
 
and what kind of underlying libraries they use for this
does someone have had contact with these kind of decision?
 
Xeo
12:12 AM
Listening to those guys is awesome. Seriously.
 
Xeo
It's already in the language: value types
Ha, Herb agrees!
 
Xeo
AH, buffering. The bane of streaming!
 
thank you
 
12:19 AM
Hi.
 
We don't need if in constexpr!
 
Xeo
?:
 
> I am interested C++, middleware for distributed real-time systems, model-driven software development, and scalable fault-tolerant distributed systems.
I think it's not valid English.
 
Sounds more like Erlang than C++.
 
Great point by Chandler now.
 
Xeo
12:21 AM
Absolutely.
enable_if<executing_as_constexpr>
:>
 
That looks like a weak Metaparse to me.
 
Xeo
Holy...
 
I thought he was about to say "(...) in the entire Universe."
 
sbi
@ClaudioJunior Do you really think keeping insulting the regulars here will get you any more help than what you got?
As for me — after reading what you said here in the last half an hour, I wonder whether I should flag some of it, or otherwise ban you from this room. And none of it was even directed at me.
 
so deallocating memory is never allowed to throw an exception?
that's basically saying delete can't throw
 
Xeo
12:24 AM
[01:23:10] <Bigcheese> zygoloid: what's the answer!
[01:23:15] <zygoloid> bah, less than 6 months!
[01:23:17] <dblaikie> zygoloid: man months spent on constexpr so far/in total?
[01:23:21] <dblaikie> heh ;)
[01:23:28] <dblaikie> wasn't sure how quick it was streaming\
[01:23:33] <zygoloid> ~4 months so far, i think
zygoloid == Richard
 
> (...) and Herb you forgot about it.
 
std::unexpected() - never expected it
 
Xeo
Herb talking people into commitment... yesterday Scott, now that guy.. :)
 
so how often do people use this noexcept in production code?
 
12:33 AM
@Xeo Hey, it's your/my question!
 
Xeo
Indeed
 
I have never really thought about the exception guaruantees of my functions/objects
 
Xeo
What is the plan for modules? What problems make them complicated to have? How will they be solved? #GoingNative
 
@Xeo ooh!
 
> There's no plan.
:(
lol
 
Xeo
12:36 AM
auto_ptr<T> captured(up.release()); [captured]{ ... }
 
Bjarne thought you could move into lambdas.
 
Hmm. I ought to download some more compilers!
 
I have about 10.
 
Xeo
3
 
@RMartinhoFernandes For C++?
 
12:39 AM
No, not all for C++ :P
 
Xeo
GCC 4.5.1 (Ideone), Clang 3.1 head, MSVC 11 preview
 
I have 3 (Linux: GCC 4.6, 4.7; Clang 3.1) +3 (Windows: MinGW 4.6, 4.7; MSVC10) +1 (ideone: GCC 4.5) for C++.
 
yay! silverlight crashed!
 
I have GCC and MSVC
 
@Xeo I only have two (not including online ones)
 
12:40 AM
and .NET shit too
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Well, I have 4.4.5 installed too
But I plan to get GCC head
 
exception specifications, I had no idea
I knew about exception guarantee's, but that's about it
 
Lol at STL guy.
 
you need a new job buddy
 
Xeo
Teh fuqq
 
12:42 AM
junky_software::
 
@Mysticial turns out the division is still completely wrong. I've worked through it mathematically many times :/ Problem is I'm bad at math.
 
"my company doesn't allow the standard library, they view it as a third party lib"
 
Xeo
That's basically it.
 
@deft_code God.
 
go andrei
 
12:42 AM
> Contact headhunter.
 
Xeo
Like they said, the most issues and disbeliefs stem from over 15 years ago
 
I like to mention "modern C++ features like std::vector (modern as in, from the 1990s)" in my answers.
 
@MooingDuck hmm, I can't tell at first glance what your algorithm is...
 
@Xeo auto_ptr even when it is the right solution always makes me feel dirty
 
Xeo
@deft_code Especially because it's deprecated. :/
 
12:45 AM
@Mysticial I haven't shown it to you , so I don't know how you could. I'm starting it over :(
 
@MooingDuck You posted it on the question that I answered.
I had it starred.
 
@Mysticial oh right, I forgot I put it up. That's bad. I'll go find that
 
Visual Studio 3?
Wut?
VS2 has C++11 features!
 
Xeo
Modules!
 
That's the kind of modules I want.
 
12:50 AM
I want vanilla modules
except on tuesday, when I want chocolate.
D has been designed to only single pass
Walter Bright is a genious
 
no include files!!! <salivate>
 
Sounds like R# for C++.
 
they're arguing finely vs coarsely grained threading
 
Bjarne arguing for modules. Go Bjarne.
Boatloads.
 
clang isn't single-pass, is it? (he seemed to imply that it was...)
 
12:57 AM
It probably is.
 
if it is, that's pretty amazing, considering how complex C++ could be
 
C++ was designed for single-pass.
That's where all the forward declaration business comes from.
 
Xeo
@kfmfe04 He mentioned backtracking, IIRC
 
Which sucks.
 
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Q: kinds of syntactic types in c/c++

JoshI'm trying to create a c/c++ pre-processor to add documentation and alert the developer of errors in a program. It does this by white-box testing each function, catching external resource use, and potential problems in function interaction. I'm just starting on this, and need to either be refer...

 
Xeo
12:58 AM
And Clang source has Passes and PassManagers
So, no (me thinks).
 
> c++0x isn't even finalised yet...
huh?
 
LLVM passes are more for optimisations.
 
Xeo
Why am I even argueing? I can just ask on #llvm
 
ah... ...but are most C++ compilers single-pass?
I remember Walter Bright saying that one of the reasons he created D was to ensure the language was easily parseable in single-pass (he said writing a single-pass C++ parser was too hard)
@Xeo we were just wondering if llvm is single-pass
 
@kfmfe04 Does the pre-processor count as a pass?
 

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