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4:04 PM
@K
@KillianDS, so instead of sing std::swap, you want to call your_class::swap(...) inside your_class::your_class(...) ?
 
4:31 PM
@Potatoswatter You mean, you can't legally get fucked before you reach 16?
 
@sehe Hey babe, can I uh, highlight your comma?
 
rofl
 
My class auto-loader for my issue tracker: Dir['models/*.rb', 'controllers/*.rb'].each { |f| require f }
I LOVE RUBY
 
Hi all
 
I suspect a taste for crooners and big band
@bubble drive-by linking.... see ----> newbiehints
 
4:42 PM
1 message moved to bin
 
user784668
@sehe Too bad I can't downvote twice.
 
:(
 
@Fanael DDOS :D
 
that was equivalent to murder of a kid
 
?
 
4:46 PM
@bubble The proportions are only slightly different.
 
Most German Autobahns have no speed limit, but what about c?
 
I don't think there are many programming languages that put a treshold on speed.
 
“Most German Autobahns …” – I think that’s actually an urban legend. As far as I know, most do.
 
@StackedCrooked There's always running a Turing machine on an actual tape deck…
 
I'm talking about the speed of light in vacuum, c.
 
4:49 PM
@daknøk You should write a letter to the German government.
 
user784668
@KonradRudolph Yeah, but significant number of them don't IIRC.
 
I know it is a relatively high speed for cars, but still.
 
The autobahn that I used when driving from Belgium to Poland had no speed limit.
 
I don't think they would want to cause trouble for anyone making such a momentous achievement on German soil, even on a public road.
 
Portland is a different route :)
 
user784668
4:53 PM
@ScottW The autobahn from Belgium to Portland has no speed limit. It doesn't exist, but this doesn't make the assertion that it has no speed limit any less valid.
 
@Fanael It's speed limit is 0/0.
 
Undefined?
NaN
 
user784668
It's undefined behavior to write to speed limit of this autobahn?
 
user784668
@ScottW The question is, why Portland?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes In German, "nightstand" is called "night table" (Nachttisch).
 
user784668
4:57 PM
@ScottW I have nothing against living in Poland, but I wouldn't want to live in Portland.
 
My granny lives in Poland.
I wouldn't want to live there too.
 
@Fanael nah, it is an ok question (but not for SO)
 
user784668
@sehe Off-topic. And drive-by linking.
 
user784668
@sehe I'd give that question no vote if not for these.
 
user784668
@daknøk In Poland, or in Portland? The context makes "there" a bit ambiguous.
 
5:04 PM
Dear GCC, what are you smoking?
 
@Fanael Poland. I've never been in Portland.
 
user784668
@daknøk Huh, why?
 
@ScottW then eat something.
@Fanael I've been in Poland many times, but I like the Netherlands more. Not meant offensive.
 
user784668
@daknøk Well, Poland is certainly far from being my favorite place to live in, but I like it better than Portland.
 
user784668
@ScottW No. But it's in Usonia, this is enough for me to dislike it.
 
user784668
5:14 PM
Even if I had been there, I'd still dislike it. For it's still in Usonia.
 
hmm, no pubby and no bot
Sooo, someone else want to play the Dwarf Fortress and mask my failure?
 
Pubby is here but he is busy
 
Als
@Pubby We don't know if he is He, or She.
 
He is helium
 
user784668
@Als I think that Pubby knows whether Pubby is "he" or "she".
 
5:20 PM
And SHe doesn't exist.
 
@Fanael what if you're wrong?
 
user784668
@MooingDuck The world will implode. Other than that, no consequences.
 
@Fanael I'll risk it
 
Fresh from the department of diving in at the deep end: stackoverflow.com/q/9417589/168175
 
Als
@Fanael That is why i said We duh..
 
user784668
5:23 PM
@Als In English, there's no difference between inclusive and exclusive "we". There's a non-zero possibility that you meant the inclusive one.
 
Als
@Fanael I am not a Grammar Nazi nor are most of the folks in here so I don't think We would really understand your scientific analysis.
 
user784668
In linguistics, clusivity is a distinction between inclusive and exclusive first-person pronouns and verbal morphology, also called inclusive "we" and exclusive "we". Inclusive "we" specifically includes the addressee (that is, one of the words for "we" means "you and I"), while exclusive "we" specifically excludes the addressee (that is, another word for "we" means "he/she and I, but not you"), regardless of who else may be involved. While imagining that this sort of distinction could be made in other persons (particularly the second) is straightforward, in fact the existence of second p...
 
user784668
Now you have no excuse.
 
Mmm new version of Xcode. I hope it includes the latest version of clang.
 
@awoodland wow
 
user784668
5:27 PM
@ScottW So how do you tell them apart?
 
@MooingDuck I think to do it that early in boot up you have to use a special way of setting it up too
 
@awoodland I'd assume that whatever launches the C++ code is required to put all the parameters in the argv just like anything else.
 
user784668
@ScottW Yes, of course, the almighty context. But in linguistics, "gotta infer that from context" and "there's no distinction" are virtually the same.
 
@MooingDuck he's asking about kernel development I think, start_kernel() happens pretty soon after the boot loader hands over control
 
user784668
@ScottW Using the same argument, you could argue that Finnish has future tense, because it's usually obvious from the context whether the sentence is referring to the future.
 
5:32 PM
@awoodland I'm highly ignorant of kernels and the booting process but I don't see the problem
 
@MooingDuck there is no argv and there are no libraries at the point he's asking about.
 
@awoodland "It is implementation-defined whether a program in a freestanding environment is required to define a main function." Alright, you win
@awoodland oh, I completely misread everything, I feel dumb. He's in start_kernel, not main
 
user784668
@ScottW Still, it's quite hard to infer clusivity from the context in English. Very often, both options make sense.
 
Who do I need to ping to get permissions to create pages on the wiki?
@CatPlusPlus you there!
 
@jalf cat seems to run it, pubby told me the password once
 
user784668
5:39 PM
@jalf Because Cat's too busy and has no time to keep watching whether you or anyone else registered or not.
 
user784668
@ScottW Which is?
 
well, someone wanted me to add my lib to the showcase page, but can't do that unless I get some kind of permissions :)
 
15 hours ago, by Pubby
@MooingDuck the password to wiki is "Cat Plus Plus is the greatest person in the world"
 
@Fanael WTH, how do you have an inclusive/exclusive I
 
user784668
@ScottW Ah, wasn't sure what are you talking about.
 
5:41 PM
I doesn't include audience, I includes audience.....
That doesn't even make sense.
And exclusive you?
 
user784668
@Xaade What does "WTH" mean?
 
I'm sorry, when I meant you, I meant you over there, not the you I'm talking to.
 
@jalf Use a password to join. Pinging me is for ownership moderation powers, after you join.
 
@Xaade obviously not in English. Think of the royal "we". I'm sure it's like that
 
I already signed up
 
5:43 PM
@Fanael Apparently some languages have inclusive/exclusive first/second person.
 
and logged in too!
 
Yeah, but how do you have inclusive I?
 
"The site" means wiki itself, not Wikidot.
 
exclusive I is the I of english. Inclusive you is the you of english.
I can't imagine a purpose for inclusive I and exclusive you.
 
I need to invent better terminology.
 
5:44 PM
When I meant I, I meant both of us.
 
er, so how do I get the password?
 
@ScottW read more than the first paragraph.
I guess inclusive I is royal we.
 
3 mins ago, by Mooing Duck
15 hours ago, by Pubby
@MooingDuck the password to wiki is "Cat Plus Plus is the greatest person in the world"
 
I (meaning all of my nation) will defeat the enemy.
 
Okay, it's passphrase.
 
5:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus What is the color of the night / What is the music of life?
 
cool, it worked
 
@jalf Yeah, I thought it was a joke too
@CatPlusPlus that's like the best password ever, because nobody would believe it
 
user784668
@Xaade Clusivity works only for first person plural. Some funny people think that it works also for second person plural, but that's [citation needed]. It's like trying to pass a float& to a function that expects std::string&.
 
@MooingDuck :(
 
@CatPlusPlus no, I mean, nobody who heard it would believe that was actually the password
 
5:47 PM
@Fanael We is first person plural.
 
user784668
@Xaade You were talking about I, which is not.
 
user784668
@Xaade And the answer to the second question is "Silence, my brother"?
 
@jalf Here are your mod powers.
 
@Fanael First one is "Sanguine, my brother..."
 
@CatPlusPlus hurrah
 
user784668
5:51 PM
@MooingDuck Never played Oblivion.
 
heh, wikipedia's page on Sanguine is confusing: "Sanguine or red chalk is chalk of a reddish-brown colour, so called because it resembles the colour of dried blood. " No mention on the page of what Sanguine has to do with blood
 
user784668
@MooingDuck Also, what is the life's greatest illusion?
 
user784668
@MooingDuck Yup.
 
5:53 PM
btw @StackedCrooked updated the lib. DL instructions in the link just above. :)
 
I've never figured out why clicking on "My Account" on the wiki takes me to the "Activity" page (site's activity, not my activity)
 
It's activity of all sites you're subscribed to.
 
@CatPlusPlus when I click a link called "My Account", I should probably see either my user page or account settings.
 
It is your account page.
 
@CatPlusPlus fine: the account page is freaking confusing. Principle of Least Surprise
 
5:57 PM
Wikidot thing.
 
I think i have a quiz today. Think you guys can help me?
 
user784668
@LearningC No. Am I right?
 
Not unless we can take the quiz for you
 
Please . Only have 15 to make a program or script
 
user784668
@LearningC 15 what?
 
5:58 PM
minutes
 
@LearningC Well, what are we supposed to do about it? Bribe someone to get you more time?
 
lol
nah if I get stuck think you guys can give me some hits?
 
I'm serious. It's more realistic than trying to learn a language in a single day
@LearningC are you allowed to ask for help online during the test?
 
Open internet
 
@CatPlusPlus oh, yeah. Sorry if it sounded like I was blaming you
 
5:59 PM
It is a quiz.
 
oh
 
@LearningC that seems like cheating
 
well, then yes we can likely help you, assuming we know the answers to the questions
 
@LearningC were you the one studying microops yesterday?
 
dam just found out it is closed computer
 
6:00 PM
What a surprise.
 
@MooingDuck yes. but today I have C class
last time it was open everything
 
pay attention in class then. :)
 
I'm ok with C, just finished a checkers game.
 
@LearningC and read and study the papers the prof gave you
 
Microprogramming is harder
 
6:01 PM
@LearningC and do so now, get off the net!
 
Class hasn't started yet
 
@LearningC STUDY
 
I am
 
@LearningC if you read this, then you aren't focusing on your studying.
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I just realized all that applies to me too since I'm at work...
we know there is a God because irony.
 
New developer experience/UX coming in Visual Studio! Take a first peek: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/02/23/introducing-the-new-developer-experience.aspx
 
6:11 PM
Y THEY REMOVED COLORS?
 
user784668
@jalf VS GUI will suck anyway. No UX dev will help with that.
 
@jalf "aggressively reduced toolbar command placements throughout the product by an average of 35%." Gutsy
@Abyx "developers are creating user experiences that involve the use of bolder and more vibrant colors. These color palettes showcase much more effectively in a more monochromatic tool setting."
 
Whaaaaat, no more BLUE?
BLUE EVERYTHING?
There's still too much damn UI.
But that's problem of every IDE, really.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus So use vim.
 
I do.
 
6:13 PM
@jalf That's the problem. @LearningC tends to have to answer the most obscure problems I have ever seen.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus So why do you care about VS?
 
Ok back
 
Commenting on the link.
 
that quiz was easy.
 
Quiz question: What is the language this test is written in.
Trick Question.... answer is..... English.
 
6:15 PM
But question. If you define a global before main will functions in other modules see it too? Or do I have to include it in the header.h?
 
@Xaade A terrible German derivitive
 
user784668
@Xaade Klingon.
 
@LearningC try it? :)
 
@LearningC C++ doesn't have modules. If you mean TUs, then other TUs can only see things in the headers they included
 
well I don't have the code any more.
I mean in C
 
6:15 PM
same thing in C
 
@MooingDuck which happens to be likely the most spoken language.
 
@Xaade Really? I though Mandarin still had it beat
 
if i had quiz.c and functions.c and i define a global before main in quiz.c will functions see it too?
 
Yes and no.
 
@Xaade or maybe that was just primary language speakers
@LearningC no, other files will not see it
 
6:17 PM
@LearningC If you have a global in one translation unit, and it's not static, you can use it from other translation units, provided that you export them. Let me give you an example: main.c: int someVar; // global, someheader.h: extern int someVar;. Include someheader.h in all translation units you want to use someVar in.
 
@MooingDuck See, most sites that answer most widely spoken, really answer, most widely primary.
 
@Xaade According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…, English has a third of the native speaksers of Mandarin. If you go by total speakers, English is still a third of Mandarin
 
@MooingDuck Since 1997 English has been taught vigorously in Chinese primary education schools.
 
@MooingDuck So I will have to also define it in header
 
@LearningC see here: gist.github.com/1894202
 
6:30 PM
There is nothing magical about headers.
You need to declare it.
Whether you include a header, or copy-paste the declaration doesn't really matter for that point.
 
Oh I meant extern instead of export, by the way.
 
@LearningC one declares a global with the extern keyword
 
"The export keyword is unused but is reserved for future use." because of that single sentence in the standard, I always confuse extern with export.
Though it's in the C++ standard.
 
6:49 PM
Are there any SO desktop tools for notification etc?
 
RSS feeds?
 
@StackedCrooked which platform?
 
user784668
@daknøk: what's the license of your tiny unit testing framework?
 
@StackedCrooked Here is one for Mac OS X: stackapps.com/questions/3081/…
@Fanael public domain
 
@sbi Sorry if that's annoying, but I didn't set out to find your real name on purpose. It just happened to be on my screen while I was reading something. The pieces of the puzzle just clicked together at that moment :(
 
6:52 PM
@daknøk I'm on Mac. Cool, thanks!
 
@Fanael don't expect much from it; I wrote it in less than half an hour. Only use it for very small projects.
 
user784668
@daknøk In most European countries, you can't put your work on public domain. You can license the users to do whatever they want, though - and that's what licenses like CC0 and WTFPL do.
 
@Fanael then I grant you permission to use it without attribution.
 
user784668
@daknøk I like the idea of a tiny unit test lib. So I'm wondering if I can fork it.
 
I'll add the zlib license
wait a sec
 
6:54 PM
@daknøk If you want as close to public domain as possible, use something like CC0.
 
@Fanael added COPYING.
 
user784668
@daknøk If you're wondering, I'm trying to make it header-only.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm fine with zlib.
@Fanael nice.
 
user784668
And to make the syntax a little bit nicer. And to make it work with C++03.
 
making it work with C++03 is a piece of cake (:
It's just the for loop.
 
6:58 PM
C++03? What's that?
 
user784668
@daknøk Yeah.
 
@CatPlusPlus predecessor of C++11.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus The old thing that people were calling C++ before C++11 came out. Silly they were, I know.
 
@CatPlusPlus it's C++98 + TR1
 
The Cat knows what C++03 is. He was trying to sarcastically say he doesn't care about C++03 and you shouldn't either. Geez, the robot explaining sarcasm to meatbags.
3
 
user784668
7:02 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, really? Can you tell me what does "sarcastically" mean?
 
Too meta.
 
We, humans (?), just don't get cats' sarcasm.
 
@Fanael sarcastic |särˈkastik| adjective marked by or given to using irony in order to mock or convey contempt: sarcastically |-ik(ə)lē | adverb
 
You're a bird.
 
user784668
@daknøk I think you're kidding. Try again, this time be serious, please.
 
7:04 PM
Obviously, birds don't get cat's sarcasm, as well as mices.
 
But cats do attack birds.
So be cautious.
 
user784668
@RMartinhoFernandes Too bad some compilers don't care about C++11.
 
Yeah, but that's not a problem here :P
2 days ago, by Cat Plus Plus
And recently I don't really care about MSVC.
 
user784668
It's not the only compiler that doesn't care about C++11, you know.
 
No other compilers beside Clang and GCC matter.
ICC is struggling to be relevant, but nobody can afford it. Open Watcom is pretty much forgotten. DMC was never relevant.
 
7:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus they aren't Windows native compilers.
@CatPlusPlus you forgot BCC
 
What's with Comeau I don't know, another expensive stuff.
BCC stopped being relevant 10 years ago .
 
I don't understand why someone would ever buy a non-free C++ compiler, except when clang or GCC don't support the target platform.
Because they don't sound very enterprisey?
 
ICC is built by Intel engineers, and produces better code than others.
 
user784668
Oh, and there are other platforms than what you're using right now. Some are so obscure that they're not supported by GCC, in which case you're pretty much screwed if you write C++11.
 
Comeau is the only compiler that ever implemented entire C++03 standard.
I don't care about platforms even GCC doesn't care about.
 
7:11 PM
I only care about x86, x86-64 and ARM.
 
If it's not supported by GCC, it might as well not exist.
 
I havne't been able to load this page for half an hour, but it looks like you lot aren't having problems?
 
Arg Stack Overflow Chat is offline.
 
Nope.
 
It was only chat, not the rest of SO.
 
7:14 PM
Hi guys! Who does know aby free SIP servers? Thanks!
 
It was some time ago when someone asked something about globals and headers.
 
@daknøk LearningC broke the internet!
 
@MooingDuck can you mention me with a comma, as in @daknok,?
 
@daknøk , only kindof, there's a space
 
Maybe they fixed the bug and broke chat.
 
user784668
7:16 PM
@daknøk, wanna see my sucky attempt at making that header-only?
 
Apparently not :P
@Fanael yeah
 
@daknøk , also I note: you didn't use a comma :D
 
@daknøk I mean for using server, not for install it on PC, simply I want to make some free calls, I have googled such stuff, but seems to be there is no free SIP
 
@Fanael you could just wrap the main function in #ifdef CPPUTF_MAIN_FUNCTION and #endif and just document that you should #define CPPUTF_MAIN_FUNCTION if you want to include the main function.
Like Boost does it.
 
user784668
@daknøk I made it more hackish than that.
 
user784668
7:18 PM
 
Where did the throw macros go?
 
user784668
@daknøk Can be implemented easily if you want them.
 
user784668
@daknøk That's just two lines more worth of macros.
 
They are vital :P
 
user784668
@daknøk Patches are welcome! :P
 
7:24 PM
Also, you can use inline instead of all those templates.
FAFAIK.
 
user784668
@daknøk Yup, but I don't like the idea of making these functions inline. Some silly compilers (e.g. GCC) will think that I'd like them to be inlined so they'll increase the inlining likelihood.
 
I see.
 
Doesn't GCC use heuristics?
Besides, it's a test suite. Who cares.
 
Also, inlining doesn't matter here at all, since the function is only used once in the entire program.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Yeah. Its heuristics are "is the body of the callee larger than X instructions? If yes, then inline it, assuming the caller is not too big". The value of X depends on command-line arguments and whether the function was declared inline.
 
7:31 PM
Are there compilers that inline functions defined in another translation unit?
 
user784668
Besides, this was but a proof of concept. The idea of header-only unit test lib works, and that's what matters.
 
user784668
@daknøk Yeah, GCC with -flto, for example.
 
MSVC with LTCG, too.
And Clang has LTO, too.
 
user784668
Pretty much any modern compiler, in fact.
 
But how does it know the definition if you compile all translation unit separately to object files?
Ideone is offline D:<
 
7:36 PM
It compiles to IR, and generate the code when linking.
Hence Link-Time Code Generation/Optimisation.
 
Ah cool.
My CPU has caught a cold, it's not even 40 degrees.
 
user784668
Okay, gotta go.
 
user784668
See ya.
 
Bye
Three bombs and Holland is gone.
 
7:58 PM
evening
 
hi
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Send me a mail!
 

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