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12:00 AM
@LucDanton You mean, it stopped working?
 
It gets some things wrong.
 
Well, mine stopped working completely (it says "connected to unknown version" and doesn't display any dorf) soon after I gave it to you.
 
I know my expedition leader/manager went to chop down some trees instead of properly managing after I tried to activate some labours on a dorf that turned out to not be in my fortress.
 
@FredOverflow Dwarf Fortress is limited by the processor. The more you got there the better. Everything else is mostly irrelevant to performance.
 
The dorf count is correct however.
 
12:02 AM
@MooingDuck Bigger embarks need more RAM.
And having DF swapping in and out of RAM does count for performance.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes the wiki says a 4x4 area takes roughly 400-700MB, if you go bigger, then yes
 
Also, I wonder if that is still true for 0.34, as the game now tracks a lot more stuff.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes probably not, but few computers have less than 1.5GB nowdays
 
Dwarfs now have full family trees.
@MooingDuck But then, most of those things will probably only matter for the size of the save files.
 
@MooingDuck Does it use multiple cores?
 
12:05 AM
Since some 0.31 revision.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes (1) I can't imagine that takes a lot of space (2) even if it does, it can be safely paged
@FredOverflow some say yes, most say no
 
@MooingDuck Ah, no, that was just a random thing I noticed. Not relevant to the discussion.
@MooingDuck Well, Toady says yes.
 
Oh, Dwarf Fortress is developed by a single person?
 
@MooingDuck :(
 
@FredOverflow And tested by his brother
@RMartinhoFernandes I was thinking that the "nos" might be uninformed from previ
 
12:09 AM
Hey, if anyone is feeling generous, I'm up for getting a new computer >.>
XD
 
@FredOverflow He's got some people helping him now.
 
Screw tilesets, Therapist seems like it's working, I'm playing!
I mean I'm smelting iron!!
 
I remember him mentioning someone working on the TrueType support.
 
@Hoxieboy How old is yours?
 
> Most of the changes are in the last few dev entries below, and Baughn also added a few convenient features to the SDL version (repeatable commands and TrueType toggle -- see release_notes.txt for instructions).
 
12:11 AM
@FredOverflow Well, not sure about the age (at least 5 years?) its an acer aspire3000 with 446 mb of ram, 29.8 gb of storage (12 free) with a SIS integrated graphics card that barely supports 2d
 
wtf amazon.de is down?
 
and its sound SUX
 
@Hoxieboy 446 mb of ram, what strange number is that?
 
@LucDanton Awesome. It seems our sucession embark didn't have iron in it.
 
@FredOverflow my strange number :(
 
12:12 AM
Minerals are a lot rarer now.
 
What? I think I found iron once in my previous DF career.
Boy was I excited.
 
446 = 0b110111110.
 
IIRC there wasn't the possibility distinguish shallow vs deep metal(s) in the embark site screen.
 
@LucDanton But most sites had some form iron.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes probably 512 mb minus onboard VGA or something?
 
12:13 AM
So on this site I strike the earth, soil layer, go down one level, HEMATITE AND MAGNETITE EVERYWHERE.
@RMartinhoFernandes Well it's not like I'm any good.
 
Or I had been super incredibly lucky.
 
Does Dwarf Fortress have a goal?
 
Nope.
 
@LucDanton FTR, iron comes from hematite, magnetite, and limonite.
And goblinite, of course.
 
ran dxdiag in cmd, here is the first page output: @FredOverflow
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.101209-1647)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Acer, inc.
       System Model: Aspire 3000
               BIOS: Phoenix NoteBIOS 4.0 Release 6.0
          Processor: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+,  MMX,  3DNow, ~1.6GHz
             Memory: 446MB RAM
          Page File: 484MB used, 568MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
 
12:14 AM
@FredOverflow So for instance right now I managed all my short term goals (get a handle on food production, sort out my mismanagement, more traps, make use of those immigrants). Right now I think I'm will use my iron ore.
 
Uh I don't remember.
 
@FredOverflow it's a very very complicated sim city
 
@LucDanton Have you considered going into politics if you solved all those problems? ;)
 
I remember having trouble finding suitables sites with the search tool, I may have set the criteria to N/A :/
@FredOverflow I reached my goals. Doesn't mean I solved anything :p
 
12:16 AM
@FredOverflow He solved them for 60 inhabitants. Who want little else than booze.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I've heard him occasionally mention others working on features, but the main page and their wikipedia page both just mention the two brothers (and the cat)
 
E.g. I still can't figure out if fishing is really that inefficient, or if I have enough bins and barrels.
I can see the counts for those but how I do know how much is enough?
 
@LucDanton fishing is pretty inefficient (er, too many negatives)
 
pessimist :)
 
I still have food problems though :( No ridiculous boozecooking makes the game harder funnier.
 
12:18 AM
@MooingDuck What negatives?
Carps are not a issue now.
 
Is it normal that I subsist more or less on plump helmets and there's simply no way to cook meals?
 
@FredOverflow try using dxdiag and see what comes up on your Memory: (unless you have a different OS than windows) :P
 
@Hoxieboy 2046 MB RAM (where did the other 2 MB go?)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes in my sentance
 
@LucDanton My dorfs usually complain about little booze variety, but I get a lot of food variety.
 
12:19 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes I was so happy when he fixed that
 
@FredOverflow that's what I thought, wish I had more! lol
 
@LucDanton build a kitchen, and yes
 
@Hoxieboy You probably have 512 MB RAM, but 64 MB of them are used for onboard graphics.
 
@MooingDuck I mean that the cook complains about not having ingredients.
 
@FredOverflow couldn't imagine why, what with my SIS graphics card :P
 
12:20 AM
I like butchering things. Pity we can't butcher goblins anymore :(
 
Meals are more of a luxury I guess. Ridiculous boozecooking means removing quite a lot of food variety.
Ah well, plump helmets and engravings it is then. Until I can buy poultry or something.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes can you please bin my specs message?
 
@Hoxieboy What for?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes (embarrassing :P)
rofl
 
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Wait, what? I get one of those for scifi.se, but not for SO?
WTF?
 
12:23 AM
@ScottW well, (looks at several minor bruises and cuts on forearms) ...
 
What's in the swag package?
(don't tell me swag)
 
Science Fiction and Fantasy t-shirt in your size
Science Fiction and Fantasy die-cut, vinyl stickers
Stack Exchange sharpie
Stack Exchange pen
Stack Exchange stickers
 
@ScottW When you have a bunch of wires and plate metal hanging around, things tend to get scraped up a bit ;)
@ScottW indeed
seriously, those dell optiplexs hurt
I needs must finish dis program
 
Yay, I made an hospital.
Turns out I had injured dorfs.
 
Anyone knows what a "sharpie" is?
 
12:26 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Think non-erasable felt tip pen.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes it's a type of pen
 
@LucDanton Cool, now your dorfs can finally get super-crappy healthcare.
 
A sharpie is a kind of sailboat.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'd rather they not keep working in a sorry state.
 
12:27 AM
Ah.
 
:(
 
Well, in my days that's how it went.
 
@LucDanton Sure, but don't expect them to come out of the hospital "good as new".
 
Does the hospital zone work as a stockpile or do I have to put one? I'm reading the wiki but I'm not sure.
 
Especially if you don't have a good medic. Because practicing is not easy.
@LucDanton The zone itself will cause dorfs to carry the things there.
 
12:30 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes The way I see it it's the same as before, with an added noble: put them in a bed, bring them water and food.
 
you want to know what sucks even more? I have a 2 sticks of ram 1024 mb each lying right next to my laptop, but they are made for desktop towers XD
 
Oh, and the beds are reserved for the wounded. That's actually useful.
 
@LucDanton Ah, but they clean up the wounds to prevent infections, stitch up cuts, immobilize broken bones, and stuff like that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, more labours :( That's not something the doctor alone can handle, is it?
 
can anyone recommend a "newbie" interface mod or something like that for DF to help me understand it better? lol
 
12:32 AM
@LucDanton Depends on the number of simultaneous patients.
For one at a time one hospital worker is okay.
 
Meh, it's not like I don't have idle dorfs.
 
WTF
 
@ScottW kids these days.
 
Sorry, we have a policy regarding gifs.
> Please make sure you're not posting any animated gifs that will be oneboxed, because this makes them flicker over everybody's monitor until we have managed to chat it off the screen.
This avoid oneboxing.
Yeah.
 
12:35 AM
Oh yeah, I have 'Urist McDorf cancels Store Owned Item: Item inacessible' spam. Anything I can/should do?
 
McDorf? lol.
 
@Hoxieboy Urist McDorf is like "John Doe" for dwarves.
@LucDanton That's an ages old bug.
I don't think it's problematic.
(Other than the fact it spams, that is)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah so its like "The average Joe"?
 
@Hoxieboy Right.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes pardon my simplicity :)
um... O.o
DAS STRAUß >:(
 
12:41 AM
@LucDanton If you want to avoid it you can try to figure out what item it is (if you pause, and step using . you can see a job popping up in the job list for Store Owned Item and discover the item).
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Thanks. Will try.
 
@Hoxieboy really any of the graphics packs on the wiki are fine. The ones that replace the raws are easier to understand, but are sometimes incompatible with other saves.
 
@MooingDuck I guess I could try those, I'm searching "newbie mods for DF" on google :)
 
@Hoxieboy the Dwarf Fortress wiki has everything
 
lol
 
12:43 AM
@LucDanton You may discover that the item really is inaccessible for some reason, but you may also find that it doesn't exist and in that case, there's no hope until Toady fixes it.
 
came up with this somehow XD: bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0
 
@RMartinhoFernandes IIRC I had that right after the rampage, and ISTR there were bugs in the past regarding objects that were still tied to their dead owners or some such.
 
WILL NOT be using the cheat mods though :P
 
Alright, second liaison wagon, the rescue plump spawn are here! Also tons of leather.
Mmmh, does 'offer trade' results in a trade if favourable? I don't remember but my goods seems to have disappeared from my panel.
 
playing DF with 512 mb of ram (as said by fred) is a living nightmare :) luckily, my computer's graphics card CAN run the game
 
12:49 AM
@LucDanton Yes.
Either it gets traded immediately, or you get a counter-offer, or you get a "bugger off" if the offer is ridiculous.
> If you don't remember whether the lever will collapse half the fortress, flood it with magma, flood it with water, flood it with water THEN magma, or kill the invaders, you pull it and hope you take the god damned goblins down with you
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I have the job in the list, how do I discover the item?
 
@LucDanton Er, there's a key you can press to zoom to it. Probably listed below the list.
 
@Hoxieboy The graphics are pretty minimal, they'll even run in curses if that's all you got
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Alright, c: Zoom-Cre zooms to the (in this case) dorf, and b: Zoom-Bld zooms to the thing of interest (in this case, the item). Correct?
 
@LucDanton yes
 
12:54 AM
@MooingDuck thats for OS's other than windows ;) but yeah I think that might be the reason why
 
@LucDanton I think so.
 
Ah well, won't show me anything. Possibly a bug then.
 
Expected results:
- the dwarf give up the item
- the dwarf at least stay close to the item he plans to get (so I could knew which one is it)
- the warning message mentions which item is it and maybe why it is inaccessible (door closed, under water, under magma etc)
- the dwarf furiously smashes his head on a wall every time he feel frustrated for not getting that item (so he can eventually die or forget the item and give me peace).
 
They want toys! To the toy workshops!
And earrings!
 
The homelands?
 
12:59 AM
Yep
 
The super nice thing is that if you later go explore the homelands as an adventurer, you can find the items you crafted in your fortress and sold.
 
30 toys/crafts queued up. Done for the season!
 
@LucDanton Yeah, better to not flood the market (yes, that can happen now).
 
Hello everyone!
 
@LearningC hai :D
 
1:01 AM
Lol
Well I didn't do so bad on my quiz.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes 30 that much? I would have thought it's a drop. A proper mason can produce that so quickly, can't they?
 
what does gcc: fatal error: no input files mean?
 
@LucDanton Sorry, I meant that not putting it infinitely on repeat is good. I think 30 is okay.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah that was problematic before the job manager.
"Whoops, they can't even load half of that on their wagon."
 
does that mean it can't find the file?
 
1:02 AM
"And it's worth nothing."
 
@LearningC It means you didn't give it any file.
@LucDanton The job manager really is a life-saver. Especially if you're making an industry of something that involves complicated steps, like steel.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm still having trouble processing raw fish.
 
@LucDanton Isn't that automatic?
 
I don't know? The fisheries fill up with the job but nobody gets to it. I figured I may need from fish cleaners that are not in fact fishers.
Fishers seem to go fishing at their every whim.
I bought a pick but my new miner won't do squat :( The labour is properly activated.
 
@LucDanton Maybe they're not accessible? Like, the fisheries blocking squares are in front of the door?
 
1:06 AM
Anyone here knows about micro programming?
 
It's not that I don't get prepared fish ever, but the raw -> prepared process isn't very 'fluid'.
So sometimes I get a backlog of raw fish, sometimes I have to remove the 'prepare fish' jobs because I actually need raw fish. I think.
 
@LearningC as in, programming micro-processors?
 
@Hoxieboy Yes
 
@LucDanton Hmm. It always just worked for me.
 
Or does anyone where where I can post questions about it and receive answers?
 
1:09 AM
 
@LearningC Well, I've toyed around with Arduinos and such but no nitty-gritty programming (like assembly or others)
@MooingDuck lol.
 
@Hoxieboy How about MAC-1?
 
@LearningC nope :P
 
@Hoxieboy microops are pretty much below assembly
 
@MooingDuck Thank you.
 
1:10 AM
@MooingDuck it depends on what type of assembly language it uses :)
 
@LearningC did you read that document until you understood most of it?
 
@MooingDuck I read it at least two times. But the words confuses me. I need it to be translated to a dumber level.
@MooingDuck a minute ago I couldn't understand gcc: fatal error: no input files
 
ima go (attempt to) play DF cya all around in a bit
 
That reminds me, who's turn is it in the succession game?
 
@Pubby did someone take it after my failure?
 
1:14 AM
Not sure
I tried asking in gaming chat, but nobody seemed interested
 
if nobody still has it by the time I get home, I'll try again with more frequent saves.
I took screenshots at more or less random times though, there wasn't a lot of interest to look at, except for I built some walls, which were vertical, so... not screenshotable.
 
Alright
 
Okay, I figured out how to check for bin/barrel stocks: look at stockpiles, stockpiles is full of barrels/bins, but they're all empty. Oops.
 
@LucDanton ?
 
I've had the problem that I didn't know if I did need more barrels and bins or had enough.
Oh yeah, when I have a dorf in a strange mood, can I not figure what ingredients he's missing? I remember doing that before, but looking at thoughts doesn't help.
 
1:21 AM
Look at the workshop he is in.
With q.
 
Ooooh.
 
1:33 AM
Dammit, got mortally wounded deep down in some catacombs. I guess this it. Goodbye "World of Vision", it was nice to live in you.
 
Great, managed to provide cut gems for moody dorf.
 
dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Cavern: "Autonomous Dwarven Cavern Rover: Pit an animal into the cavern through an access tunnel above the cavern floor. The animal will wander the cavern, possibly stumbling across things you would prefer your dwarves not encounter unaware. Use a female animal when you have a male of the same species somewhere in your fortress to produce a population of self replicating rovers."
 
lol
> Suicide mission: Ideal for exploring the bottom of a deep pit or magma pool. Knock a dwarf or animal into the pit, and they will rapidly plummet. Despite being unconscious, they will report everything they see for as long as they are alive. Nobles and cats make excellent geonauts.
 
Anyone know about driver code for C? It is like playing main in another .c file
 
You mean writing device drivers in C? For what platform?
 
1:38 AM
 
It is like a test "driver" But using main in another .c file to test your code. My professor use something like #ifdef + #ifndef #end
 
I recommend a preexisting solution for that. Although I don't know of one for C.
 
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A: C++: How to correctly return a pointer to an object

Cheers and hth. - Alf “I have been stumbling over this problem for a while now. I am trying to return a pointer to an object to I can say MyObject* obj = Manager::Create(int i, int j); How do I correctly allocate memory so there are no leaks? I thought I was supposed to call new to make the memory o...

^ Is it dumb to answer a question that already has an accepted solution?
 
@LearningC oh, like a unit test
 
@MooingDuck yea something like that. It called a macro i think
 
1:42 AM
Hey, envelopes are cool!
 
Basic Value 24k, is that much?
 
Quicksort is an envelope, for example.
@LucDanton The artifact? Sounds pretty decent.
 
@LearningC macro is taken
 
@MooingDuck I'm not good with these terminology
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Considering it's gabbro. Isn't gabbro super boring?
Yeah, gabbro encircled with bands of gabbro. "Neat".
 
1:43 AM
@LucDanton You mentioned it has gems.
 
It was used to menace with spikes. Of lapis lazuli.
 
What is it btw?
 
Oh, lapis lazuli is pretty neat come to think of it.
 
@LucDanton everything menaces with spikes, and is decorated with leather
 
No leather, even though I bought some :(
 
1:45 AM
Dec 8 '11 at 20:30, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@JohannesRudolph Well, you declare the pointer as ChildOctrees* my_superbly_crafted_pointer_that_menaces_with_spikes_of_granite and access it like (*my_superbly_crafted_pointer_that_menaces_with_spikes_of_granite)[x][y][z]
 
one of my older fortresses had a legendary stone (of some sort) bed though, that was kinda neat
 
@Luc you still haven't told use what the thing is.
 
Oh, not what the spikes are made of. It's a mug.
 
A mug with spikes. Lovely.
 
You can skewer smores on them. Well, I wouldn't do that, but some people would.
I must have done something wrong with that leather and bought leather underwear instead or something. I can't find it.
 
1:48 AM
lol
 
@LucDanton or someone crafted with it
 
I don't think I even have the workshop for it. Also it was a lot of it.
 
Was it just leather, or clothes made leather? Maybe your dorfs (military?) are wearing it?
 
@LucDanton legendaries frequently use leather, no matter the type.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought I bought leather but I probably bought leather items instead. The item count for that is sort of high.
Meh that works for me.
 
1:52 AM
Well, you can't "melt" leather items back to raw leather :(
 
It's fine.
I won't go military for a while. I think.
 
You didn't disable invasions, right?
 
Why would I disable fun?
 
Cat mentioned he never played with invasions on.
I think you don't get invasions during the first year, but after that it's on.
No neighboring goblin or kobold civs exporting death?
 
I think one of my great success with me picking up DF again is that while I am familiar with general elements of the game I'm relearning things like job management etc which makes it a lot less painful.
I'd like to relearn the military. It wasn't that fun back then, but not quite far from that.
Also, stone traps, billions of them.
Man I just remembered the pain of roaming gobby squads that go after your woodcutters. Gah.
 
1:56 AM
Having an underground forest is sweet.
Especially because the wood is coloured.
 
Should I care about vampires?
I mean, it was just a drained child. No big deal.
 
what does this mean? ideone.com/BlMLM
 
@LucDanton Erm, vampires are new, but I suppose you should care.
> Having a vampire as the last "dwarf" standing in fortress mode will not trigger a "game-over" screen- in fact, they are preferable to regular dwarves because they don't need to eat, drink, or sleep.
Or maybe not...
 
Sweet.
I do suppose I should take a look at the justice screen though.
 
> Even in the case that someone is accused, be aware that the deceitful vampire is capable of framing others for its crimes to send suspicion away for a time. Vampires routinely lie about their past so as to avoid identification by others, going so far as to adopt a false name when entering a new fortress.
OMG, I love you Toady.
 
2:00 AM
The last time I had a tantrum-murder I think I pinned an unrelated crime on the dorf.
Probably vampire-related, too.
So what, do I have to check the background of the witness, then come back some time later to find discrepancies?
That would, in fact, be awesome.
 
Ha, you can find the bloodsuckers by reading their thoughts.
They don't have thoughts about recent meals or beds like the others.
 
Should you put spoilers on that?
 
Oh. Sorry.
 
Mmmh, the accused has recently dined in a legendary hall and has witnessed death recently.
I don't mind, but someone could I think.
Whoah.
 
This is very a Big Brother-ish way of doing it.
 
2:05 AM
The witness has been quite content, annoyed by flies, admired a fine well, and satisfied at work.
That's it.
That's uh very vampire-like, isn't it?
 
What does he think of booze?
 
Where should that appear? There's the usual 'A short, sturdy creature fond of drink and industry.' at the end though.
Oh, she prefers Longland beer among others.
 
I meant the part about needing alcohol to get through the working day.
@LucDanton Hmm, that doesn't sound like a sucker.
 
The accused also has boooze preferences. I'm not going to convict.
I'm still mortally afraid of having my expedition leader drained out of his blood.
 
Put the sleeping quarters in the meeting hall. It will get noisy, but the sucker will have trouble doing it without dozens of eyewitnesses.
 
2:10 AM
Oh, my second miner has been healing for some time already. Hence why digging operations have been reduced to a crawl.
@RMartinhoFernandes That sounds like an ambitious project.
 
Or the other way around. Mark the bedrooms as a meeting hall with a zone.
 
Well I have 8 plump helmets for my 63 dorfs so I don't really want them leaving the legendary dining hall.
 
Mmmh, my dorfs are still using my water source even though I have a well. Do I simply remove the zone?
The well is indeed active btw.
I guess they still use the pond because of pathfinding heh.
What, another victim!
 
Did someone take year 3 of the succession, or should I try again? (With saves and default textures)
 
2:24 AM
@LucDanton Yes.
My world has 6 spots with: river but no aquifer, temperate climate, flux stone, multiple shallow metals, and multiple deep metals. Sweet.
 
In my world those spots tended to be devoid of trees.
 
Oh, yeah, and trees too :P
I wish the site finder could look for volcanoes.
 

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