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10:00 AM
 
> While this part is focused, the following keys are available; F5: Go!
What is wrong with people.
If you hijack F5 in a browser as a shortcut to anything, no matter what, you deserve to be shot.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes But IDEs!
 
s/IDEs/Visual Studio/?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes agreed
In fact, I sitll find it a bit jarring when sites make use of kb shortcuts
:S I think I refreshed the jenkins page too much and upset it
 
10:14 AM
@thecoshman well, it's Java. DO you have any idea how much XML and how many stacktraces it has to generate every time you refresh?
 
@jalf lol
@rightfold wait... he's want a struct of arrays instead of array of structs? What is this?
@DeadMG so... is Wide going to piggy back C++ for ever more? Will it reach a point where I no longer need to use 'cpp()'
@rightfold what's the point in 'register/2'?
oh... is it making the pid|port available to other functions (with in the module)?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman you can give a process a name.
 
user1804599
register(foo, Pid),
foo ! hello
 
but I can do foo = spawn(...). too
 
user1804599
Nope.
 
user1804599
10:24 AM
That is a pattern match failure.
 
user1804599
register basically creates a global. :v
 
ooooh
huh? is that an ok thing?
 
This API I'm trying to work with is terrible
I can't figure out how I'm supposed to use it
 
@TonyTheLion vOv it's an API, what do you expect
 
10:33 AM
I expect something semi usauable
but this is just unusuable
and terribly documented
 
user1804599
Yay. New computer at work.
 
@thecoshman Of course it won't be piggy backing forever. Assuming I don't halt development.
 
user1804599
With SSD.
 
oh, swish.
 
Open Chrome -> Chrome is not responding
terrible software is terrible
 
10:42 AM
chalu
 
Chrome sucks.
18 logo votes so far.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 19
 
reading that pin bored is hard work :S
 
Kaolinite is the best by far, vOv
 
user1804599
Ugh
 
user1804599
10:45 AM
How the fuck do I boot from DVD.
 
ergh, a third choice is hard
 
@thecoshman Mmm, I did thrice the Kaolinite : - /
 
@ScarletAmaranth ¬_¬ way to spoil the votes
 
user1804599
Oh, delete button.
 
@rightfold insert dvd... boot
 
user1804599
10:47 AM
Stupid boot order was wrong.
 
user1804599
SSD was first.
 
@rightfold oh that; that's a bios dependent thing
 
user1804599
Installing Gentoo is fun. :D
 
del, esc, f1, f2, f11 vOv and I'm sure there is even more out there being used
 
@StackedCrooked annoying to have to keep scrolling down
 
10:48 AM
@thecoshman pcha, I was just expressing the superiority of the logo
 
@ScarletAmaranth FFS
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh come on! It's a great logo!
 
On the jam votes I added a note "Don't be a moron; don't vote for the same entry twice in the same category".
Yet at least one person voted for the same entry everywhere
 
That was not me! :)
I deeply apologise for Garfunklin'g the votes :P (the logo votes)
 
I think that was me
 
10:50 AM
but Kaolinite is really really good
@Jefffrey is kaolinite yours?
 
I think I was drunk too
 
Have you tasted kaolinite?
 
nope, have you?
 
@ScarletAmaranth nope, mine is the couch one
 
@ScarletAmaranth I like that one, and there is another with similar minimalistic style
 
10:51 AM
I would like to thank ToadyOne for providing me with the geology knowledge required to set up that poll.
 
Jet or something
 
@Jefffrey the hipster tash?
 
@thecoshman yup, minimalistic style for C++ -> how fitting
 
@ScarletAmaranth well, I like to think Lounge<...> can be more a generic brand, and C++ is just one form of it
 
@thecoshman cannot compute "tash"
 
10:52 AM
@Jefffrey moustash
 
but yeah, it's the hipster trash moustash
 
@thecoshman
 
Xeo
guys, we don't have a pinned welcome message anymore
 
Today's C LOL has come early:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22038201/what-happen-while-debugging-my-source-code-if-power-is-off
 
¬_¬ things should need more than one star to get on the board.
 
10:54 AM
I doubt anyone read it anyway
actually I think there was this guy once, that read it
but that was only that time
 
Place holder for welcome message, check back later please.
 
Xeo
@Jefffrey doesn't matter, it's something that is easily linkable
 
@thecoshman Why? Time makes one-starred things sink down.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because they are mostly crap, and for you :P
 
Wouldn't it be appropriate to have the link to the rules in the description?
MIND = BLOWN
 
Xeo
10:56 AM
in the topic?
fuck no
 
something like <description> (oh, btw, read this TITTIES!!!)
 
@Jefffrey no, the topic is for more important things, like the current price of fish
 
Xeo
New here or wanna ask a question? Check The Rulesâ„¢ first, and remember that you are not entitled to an answer in any shape or form.
let's just go with the old one
 
Bold please
 
have a star
 
Xeo
10:58 AM
fuck bold
 
awwww who unpinned wide :(
 
Xeo
<-
too much pinnage
 
¬_¬ nothing helps you learn a language like obfuscated examples
 
oh, the pin war approaches
 
@Xeo needs bold ಠ_ಠ
 
10:59 AM
well
 
Xeo
no it doesn't?
 
When using CRTP, what's a trick to access type names in the derived class from the base?
 
New here or wanna ask a question? Check The Rulesâ„¢ first, and remember that you are not entitled to an answer in any shape or form.
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Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes not possible IIRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Try formatting your hard drive first.
 
10:59 AM
There's a trick for that?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman why bold?
 
sticks out
 
@Xeo ... for the reason why bold was invented.
 
Xeo
you guys just said people don't read it anyways
 
bold is a thing for a reason.
@Xeo so why make it it even less obvious?
 
11:00 AM
@thecoshman A conspiracy from the Big Ink!
 
you lot are still on that entitled answers thing huh
 
and really, we need a bot to spam that to new people (or those who have not been around for so long)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what? people can't be pointed out that they are not entitled to answers?
@R.MartinhoFernandes my god!
 
((or those who haven't posted a message yet))
 
@Jefffrey well, I figured it could just do it in response to the first post
so it pings them
 
11:02 AM
yeah
 
Xeo
welp, if people want the bold message, unpin mine and pin the other one
 
maybe something to play with in Erlang :P
@Xeo it seems that is slowly happening...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, no that was not me. I votes the same three entries for all categories though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ಠ_ಠ why no pictures?
 
11:07 AM
^
 
hi guys
 
@thecoshman ikr :(
@thecoshman sure they can. not sure why it needs to be vomited out in every pin message though (making them hostile). i pretty much never see it happen
haha (related)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit never see what happen?
 
mmmm
I don't think it's that sexy : - /
 
@thecoshman people thinking they're entitled to answers. we're not overwhelmed by it.
so the hostility is not needed!
 
11:13 AM
it's preemptive hostility!
 
time for my daily vladtivity check
 
you haven't been seeing it so much as of recent because of the pinned hostile message you see!
 
> the hostility is not needed!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit vOV I don't feel overwhelmed by people asking questions.
 
ages ago we used to be able to close questions for migrations, I cant see that option anymore. Does anyone know how to move the question to another SE site?
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit are you serious?
 
11:15 AM
@Xeo LRIO is becoming the good guy :)
 
in Discussion between πάντα ῥεῖ and Vlad from Moscow, yesterday, by πάντα ῥεῖ
"A beauty with a strong character" and this can well mean: _'She's going to rip your skin off' _ LOL!
so beware!
@Xeo Completely
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit getting your daily dose of stalking?
We would like to thank you for the participation in our C++ IDE survey. Unfortunately our first private preview as we see from the information that you have kindly provided won’t work well in your environment (build system, compiler, debugger or libraries used are not supported yet). We kindly ask you to be patient and to wait for later builds with better support for your project.
well fuck you too, JetBrains
 
@JeremyThompson Flag for mod.
 
@ScarletAmaranth yep!
 
@ScarletAmaranth You can do it with default parameters (but requires more or less esoteric knowledge about POI), or with a traits class.
@ScarletAmaranth Ha, I got that too :(
 
11:21 AM
unfortunately Vlad is quite polite nowadays
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh, I have always been under the impression that it's impossible to syntactically express it, I'll need to take a look at that
 
> Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff also reacted, tweeting that Brazil was happy to greet tourists for the World Cup.
<paragraph break!>
But her country was also ready to fight sexual tourism, Mrs Rousseff wrote.
Gosh.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you have institutionalized him, clearly
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Actually that whole things reads like it was written by a seven-year-old or something :S
What's with paragraph breaks every single sentence? And splitting sentences across section boundaries!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes BBC News tends to be like that nowadays :I
 
11:31 AM
lol, the web client of telegram is on a .github.io domain
no https or anything
dem fools
I'm gonna session hijack their asses !111!!!!
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, indirect, meh
 
A what
 
Oh fuck.
I wrote "Gypsym".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think anybody cares
 
Look who's talking :P
 
11:44 AM
erm...
 
I like to have some solid knowledge of geology.
That was just for the pun.
 
yes... I noticed
It rocked
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're between a rock and a hard place.
 
So who didn't vote Robot in the bonus question? :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes me!
 
11:47 AM
Some revoking will be done.
 
Btw did I tell you we have a spare mattress already?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you did indeed
 
@thecoshman I hope you sleep OK - it's probably hard as granite.
 
I'm sure it's a jem of a mattress :|
 
user1804599
11:51 AM
> snapshot was not found
 
user1804599
Well, fuck.
 
It's the one no one wanted. Has to be good.
 
Going diving tomorrow morning ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :|
worse case, we can just snuggle up tight :D
 
My scary under water sex slave - don't click if you are timid, hardcore ahead!
 
11:55 AM
was it you^
 
me what?
 
you plonked telkitty!
 
of course...
 
Mybe there ought to be some sort of placeholder to stop that happening, '[plonk]', or something.
 
@MartinJames that would be just as annoying
 
11:58 AM
seeing all those plonks won't be fun
 
I suspect I am also plonked by mods, although my upvoted answers are routinely deleted on meta
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Illegitimi non carborundum
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty well so basically you are underwater. sort of
 
@Abyx Looks more like an HR manager to me.
 
yeah
 
12:02 PM
I am the most plonked person on Stack Sexchange, I am so dishearted, I am going to tie weights to myself, then jump into the ocean!
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty just do it
 
@sudorm-rfTelkitty Scuba gear is kinda cheating.
 
Ever wondered what the root cause might be.
 
No I don't
 
12:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oztralian. Nothing can be done about such a disability:)
 
@melak47 I'm already free till 17
 
@MartinJames they are the weights
 
@BartekBanachewicz You should charge something, even if it's a nominal amount and you enjoyed yourself.
 
Telkitty is the only regular visitor here that is never on topic.
 
I am celebrating it by tying weights onto myself then jump into the ocean with an air tank while wearing an buoyancy suit - online geeks are ignoring me so I'm going to harass some offline ocean lives instead ...
 
12:06 PM
@MartinJames for what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what topic?
insults?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe I misunderstood..:)
 
@MartinJames :F
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how could that be, apparently I gained more reps from answering C++ questions on this site
 
You don't get rep in chat
Sometimes I wonder if you're really that dumb or just faking it. Your replies to me rarely ever make sense
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12:11 PM
MY CODE WORKS
 
@jalf but does it stop working when it's finished?
 
@MartinJames he's going to talk dirty to me about opengl :p
@BartekBanachewicz brb
 
@melak47 Can't get much dirtier than that.
 
Anyways I am totally pissed off this week, 9 hours before I alight the boat which will send me deep into the ocean so that I can throw myself into it ... mean while I will faint on my bed because I can't bear all the ... umm ... lacking of upvotes?
 
12:16 PM
@MartinJames lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes She just randomly interjects incoherent nonsense into any conversation
 
@TonyTheLion Of course. Like I said earlier - Australian:)
 
Wasn't really following this discussion
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm here
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees Yeah it's like school newspaper club
@MartinJames You just missed a perfect opportunity to be racist
 
12:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My issue with Oz is not about race, it's about cricket:)
 
oh noes, they can throw a ball around a field better than us
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Though I did admit to being racist at an interview once. I had to explain afterwards that I discriminated only against West Ham fans, whom I considered a race of sub-humans. The interviewer was a Spurs supporter, and I got the contract:)
 
Oh noes someone mentioned sports in the presence of the puppy.
 
Stoke have Arsenal at home on Saturday. I fancy a draw bet again, but only a tenner.
 
@MartinJames I didn't mean Oz
@MartinJames =)
 
12:40 PM
@DeadMG test script
 
seems to be functioning well
you got rid of the warning splurge?
 
12:56 PM
In case some VS expert feels like answering:
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Q: Can I link a static library built with the v120_xp toolset into an EXE/DLL built with the v120 toolset in VS2013?

Andy ProwlI am working with a large codebase that contains four sets of native C++ VS2013 projects. I'll call these sets A, B, C, and D. Projects in sets A and B generate C++ static libraries (.lib). Projects in sets C and D generate DLLs and executables. Projects in set C link only to static libraries i...

 
It really is impressive how much difference the choice of test framework makes wrt. motivating you to write tests
yay CppUnit :/
 
had to write my own driver for Wide
 
driver for what?
 
testing
 
oh ok
 
1:03 PM
when testing means "JIT native code and if your tested program is buggy, you will get all sorts of horrible bad things in ur process" then you've got to have process isolation
but most the frameworks I looked at couldn't offer process isolation
 
@jalf I recently managed to integrate GMock/GTest with MS Test in VS2012/VS2013 and I'm pretty satisfied with it. I tried also Catch but integration with MS Test wasn't so good.
 
gmock is the shit
 
@ScarletAmaranth Any alternative for mocking in C++?
 
he said it was the shit, not shit.
 
@AndyProwl the shit -> awesome
 
1:09 PM
also
I never found VS's integrated testing to be of any value.
apparently it only works with functions exported from a DLL or someshit?
 
@DeadMG nope
 
@AndyProwl but to answer, I think there's "CppUTest" which I have no experience with, I fell in love with gMock and been using it exclusively
 
@ScarletAmaranth Ah, pardon. I misunderstood
@ScarletAmaranth Ah, I didn't know CppUTest has a mocking framework. Will give it a try
 
I really like the weird I dunno what they're called classes that gmock instantiates for you in TEST_F
sexy
 
fixtures?
 
1:12 PM
that!
 
I think MS Test approach to fixtures is better
 
MS Test?
 
but GMock has matchers and call expectations, while MS Test doesn't
 
sounds like a C# thing ^^
 
No, since VS2012 it also allows native C++ test projects
I basically put my business logic in one or more static libraries, link them into the C++ test project with integrated GMock, and enjoy Test Exporer
 
1:13 PM
\o/ just got my keys for the new flat :D
 
@ArneMertz inb4 'Oh, sorry, we forgot that we changed the locks after the last tenant moved out'.
 
@AndyProwl I usually use Catch, but personally, my one and only priority is that it should be easy and intuitive to write tests. Then I don't give a fuck about IDE integration or VS test explorer or anything else for running them. Running the tests is the easy part anyway. I want the lowest possible barrier to creating the tests in the first place
hence, Catch > all IMO
on the other hand, all > CppUnit, which we use at work
 
@jalf Catch does not have a mocking framework though, so you need to at least integrate GMock in it. I've done it, works OK. But in big projects I also like to automatically start the tests after building, or automatically building projects that are not up-to-date when starting tests. And yes, you can use a post-build event, but browsing the build output looking for problems is not so comfy.
 
@AndyProwl That's with the assumption that I need a mocking framework. That's generally only true if you're working with code that isn't written to be testable. (And even then, I usually just write my mocks by hand)
wrt. build output, see above. As long as I get the output after running the tests, it doesn't bother me whether or not it is integrated into the IDE
 
@MartinJames nope I got the keys while we were in the flat - so I am the one who locked it :)
 
1:23 PM
but obviously, that's all subjective. :)
also wtf Qt
Y U trying to cast arbitrary stuf to QTextStream?
 
@jalf Well, if you're working with code that isn't written to be testable, you have no chance of mocking anyway. Throwing in a mocking framework won't help you. And writing mocks by hand every time can be a burden (also, error-prone). Granted, one doesn't always need mocks, but I personally find it a very useful tool.
 
@AndyProwl Different strokes... :) I find I rarely need mocks. If I do, it's because I'm trying to test some big badly-designed and untestable class, and then I prefer to just split the class up into more testable pieces
 
My boss is out there on the street playing with an RC plane.
 
@jalf I don't think mocking is a workaround for untestable code. That's not how I use them at least. They help you test units in isolation, so your test doesn't have to interact with file system, databases, network, etc. Without mocking, I'm not sure how I could unit-test a class that is supposed to send an email without actually sending the email.
 
@AndyProwl When I run my Catch tests, I can browse the failures in exactly the same way as I browse compiler errors.
 
1:37 PM
@AndyProwl well, obviously by substituting something else for the "actually sending the email" part. Like a mock. In my experience, using a mock framework for that just adds up to more boilerplate code, and is harder to adapt to your API's style (what are you going to mock? In some cases it might be a separate "EmailSender" class, but sometimes it might be a callback function, perhaps a std::function, and sometimes you might just have to listen for a Qt signal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can you get RC anti-aircraft artillery?
 
And unless you go overboard with OOP, then I just don't often see the class case, which is what mocks are really for
 
@ArneMertz Best wishes for your new home, anyway:)
 
@MartinJames thanks - it's a great flat and a great siting. totally worth the trouble :-)
 
@ArneMertz nice
 
1:41 PM
500m to the river, parks all around... really exciting =D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but again, Catch alone doesn't have a mocking framework. So I'd at least integrate GMock with it. And browsing GMock's output in raw text format is not so nice, especially on big projects. Also, it doesn't easily allow me to just place a breakpoint in production code and debug only one test, like MS Test does. I can't easily filter tests, group them by project, by time, by outcome, etc.
 
@AndyProwl Then GMock sucks?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is there anything better?
 
IMO any minimally decent such tool has configurable output.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does have configurable output, but it's not integrated in the IDE
 
1:44 PM
@AndyProwl And all of that after "big projects." is FUD.
@AndyProwl Then your IDE sucks!
 
Which means I can't filter, group tests, selectively running/debugging some tests
 
"Integrated my ass Development Environment"
 
How about Boost.Test? I never tried GTest/Mock, but Boost.Test together with Turtle Mocks worked quite nice for me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're saying I should change my IDE (VS2013) so that I can have a nicer testing experience when using Catch with GMock? Isn't it just simpler to drop Catch (what I've done)?
(btw I can't switch to anything else than VS2013 at work, but I can for my own project, so I'm open to suggestions)
 
Oooh, today's xkcd is neat
 
1:48 PM
@AndyProwl I'm just saying that VS's I in IDE is bollocks.
 
@AndyProwl I think he's saying that if your Integrated Development Environment doesn't allow you to integrate foreign tools into it, then it kind of doesn't live up to the label
maybe it means "we already integrated everything we deemed relevant. If you want to integrate anything else, you can fuck right off"
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@jalf Why? Should VS2013 know about all existing testing frameworks and allow using them?
 
@AndyProwl It should allow you, the user, or the tool/library developer to do the integration easily
 
@jalf But integration is all but trivial in this case, and there is no such a thing as a standard for testing frameworks
 
@AndyProwl Why haven't you made the integration then, if (a) you're missing it, and (b) it is trivial?
 
1:50 PM
Also, what is an IDE that behaves better in this concrete situation?
@jalf Because it is not trivial?
 
@AndyProwl didn't you just say it is? O.o
Anyway, that's my point. Given a sane IDE, it should not be difficult to integrate tools into it. That should be what the I in IDE stands for
 
@jalf I wrote "all but trivial", meaning "not trivial at all". My English may be bad, I apologize if what I wrote doesn't mean what I meant to write
 
@jalf No, he said all but trivial.
 
If it is difficult to do that, then it's not much of a IDE. Just a DE, I guess
@AndyProwl Ah sorry, I misread :)
 
@AndyProwl That is false.
There is a de facto standard: JUnit style.
 
1:52 PM
I've never even seen JUnit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And MS Test supports it AFAIK
 
then again I'm not really familiar with the various testing options
 
@AndyProwl Why doesn't GMock?
@DeadMG JUnit is not particularly special, but its output format is commonly accepted by many tools, Java or not.
 
huh
wouldn't it need to have a de facto standard input format to be of use in this scenario?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure what your point is. I did manage to integrate GMock in MS Test and have a good testing experience. I couldn't do the same with Catch. IMO it is Catch that is not flexible enough, not GMock.
GMock allows you to override the reporting mechanism to integrate with any testing framework. Catch doesn't.
Also, GMock has mocks, Catch doesn't.
 
1:54 PM
@DeadMG Output from test runner, input to test result visualiser.
@AndyProwl LIES LIES LIES
 
@AndyProwl I'm... pretty sure it does
 
Why do you keep repeating them?
11 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@AndyProwl And all of that after "big projects." is FUD.
This was strike one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is there a documented way to do so?
 
I wrote a TeamCity interactive reporter for Catch.
 
@jalf Please point me to the documentation of how to do so then
 
1:56 PM
@AndyProwl Ask @R.MartinhoFernandes. I just know it is supported. I haven't used it myself. :)
 
> Output is through modular reporter objects. Basic textual and XML reporters are included. Custom reporters can easily be added.
 
In C#, why is Int32 not implicitly convertible to int?
 
It's the same thing.
 
I know, ~~~implicit conversions~~~~
 
No conversion.
It's the same.
 
1:58 PM
why does my generic function, that has return type as Int32 but it returns int throw an InvalidCastException then?
 
Pretty sure that's not what throws that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Where is that from?
 
@TonyTheLion Does it return (int) something;?
@AndyProwl Catch's docs! Granted there is no exhaustive description of how to write a custom reporter, but it's kinda trivial.
 
wtf Qt
 
1:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually don't see anything about that in the Catch docs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't find it
 

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