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10:08 PM
is it possible to have a question removed from been in [duplicated] status?
 
@soorena12 Edit the question to explain why it's not a duplicate
Or, really, to draw attention to the differences between your question and the one that it was marked as dupe against.
But, if you're talking about that question about thread affinity, that really is (IMO) a duplicate.
@soorena12 if you're confused about what's going on we can talk about it here...
 
@Jeremy thanks but i got my answer in the comments, so won't need to do it.but thanks for answer
 
i don't wanna go to wooooooooork
i just wanna play with metafont
:D
 
10:24 PM
I wanna build a website for my GF's portfolio, lol
what would you guys use for a simple no-config portfolio website?
 
oh boy, Lounge is on fire
 
10:43 PM
@ShotgunNinja i'd say
 
@ShotgunNinja how so?
 
They just had the same thing we did a few days ago
with mods deleting some posts and ROs freaking out
 
good lord
 
Jerry Coffin quit being a RO
and two others got banned
 
aww, I tried to be funny
and they removed it
 
10:48 PM
1. ignore mods
2. drop trousers
3. ????
4. Lounge<C++>
 
seems to be some saber rattling there since elections took place... not sure why they would attempt to intervene at the lounge. it would appear that since the only action to take in chat for moderation is to flag specifically for them, and that the normal flag system is completely broken, mods have somehow obtained the idea of 'babysitting' chat. this is problematic for numerous reasons and we are seeing it play out in different rooms in different ways.
 
Lounge is a cesspool, always has been
that being said, mod presence, especially by newly minted mods, is definitely not welcomed there
starring that for visibility (and so I don't lose the quote)
 
so I've scraping a page by using it's search api which redirects to the product page I want to scrape, I did one group of products and it went fine but in the second group the response gives me the search page but not the page that it redirects to in the browser =.=
 
newly elected mods going on a rampage in chats seems like newly elected presidents escalating conflicts in the middle east
 
so are they just totally rejecting the mods? lolol
yeah the babysitting here is kind of annoying and derails the room every time it happens
 
10:54 PM
it's settled to bickering by now
I think the thing is that the Naruto mod's lack of professionality compared to some other mods is helping cool things down
he's trying to buddy up with them
 
I am curious if the increased attention to chat is an overall attempt to direct it more towards classical Stack Overflow content.
 
@TravisJ That's almost certainly what's happening
I tweeted @StackOverflow just now to ask them what their battle plan is with chat
everywhere the mods show up to enforce things, it derails the chat and offends users.
it's like taking a road with no speed limit signs and suddenly posting highway patrolmen with radar guns.
At least put up freaking signs.
or announce that due to certain issues, the roads are being patrolled
 
dude, chat is extremely difficult to find from SO Main... I don't even understand
 
right
it's kind of a funky little pocket of the site
and now because of Mos Eisley, they suddenly find themselves having to answer for the bad antics in chat.
whereas before they never really bothered
 
they cracking down on other chats too?
 
11:07 PM
but the thing is, you can't give people freedom of speech and leave it unpatrolled for so long, and then suddenly force them to adhere to certain standards.
@juanvan Lounge<C++> just had a couple of bans and an RO who quit
 
@ShotgunNinja certainly right about the no rules then the cop enforcing them
 
It comes across as mods taking power away from room owners.
we don't have any differences in ability, but we now have to answer for our actions.
 
more that pointing out RO are not following rules they are not sure about and have no want to enforce b/c some things are not seen as a problem
 
room owners are the citizens that drive along the highway with the other cars, and call the cops on reckless drivers
but now we're getting yelled at for speeding too, even if its just a few MPH over the limit.
which is complicated by the fact that there were never any speed limit signs.
 
Lets face it most of the chat is downtime if it was all code related would be a pretty dead room
 
11:11 PM
If you expect people, including those in a position of power, to follow a set of rules, you have to make those rules clear.
 
There is no RO hand book
 
exactly
we took the tools we were given, and self-organized.
Now we're being told we've been doing it wrong the whole time.
and frankly we don't care
 
I think they worked well for the past year
 
I'd probably follow (mostly) a certain set of rules if they were posted somewhere for me to read
 
Ehh I care a little, enough; Now, to say something
Would be Really Sweet to post them
 
11:13 PM
but right now, the matter of what is acceptable and what isn't for chat is purely subjective.
and so it's a matter of differing opinions.
The mods know they run the rooms, but they've done a shit job of it until now.
Room owners ran the rooms.
 
Well the RO made sure nothing was out out of hand
 
Now the balance of power is shifted, and the mods have awoken
 
lets hope they don't kill the room
took me hell a long to find a cool place to talk about code
 
The room? They're probably going to make a few changes to how chat works in general.
I'm hoping they revamp the flag system a bit since it's pretty broken now
 
Ya, hope its for the better
Flags are garbage
To do anything in the room - you need so much rep
 
11:16 PM
(a) you need rep to do stuff, and (b) you don't GET rep from chat.
 
so the Rep is good outside the Room, but inside if you are a Ro you should get full control, not this much for this rep this much for that rep
think that is a good thing, since the help is only in this room and won't help other 2yrs from now
that you don't get rep from the chat
 
I understand that, but maybe if there was a way to persist conversations from chat so that others can benefit from them, that could be a way to earn rep
...oddly enough, there is such a thing
chat permalinks
 
giving the ability to private message other members would help too
 
they just need to expand the chat conversation system a bit
@SteveG they've spoken on why that won't happen, and I agree on that note: adding PMs would turn SO into a social network, which is what they don't want.
That being said, with Teams and Careers, they don't have much of a choice left
they're resisting becoming a social network because they don't want to be like Experts' Exchange.
 
kind of is a social network
 
11:21 PM
Well yeah, since there's chat, profiles, and teams, SO is a social network
 
lol yea
+ posts, and comments on posts
 
but direct messaging is the one thing they don't have that separates them from becoming a social network
and they're resistant to make that leap because they don't want to become LinkedIn 2
 
well, you can direct message people i thought? Not on chat, but via SO proper
i read a post about how skeet gets lots of messages on SO
 
Not outside of the context of QA, though.
 
i'm pretty sure
but, i could be wrong
 
11:23 PM
In many ways, there is a lot of outlook on chat. It takes a decent amount of time to find. As with most issues on Stack Overflow, it is in pieces and you need to place them together.
 
SO is going to change dramatically soon. Just give them 6-8 weeks to realize it.
 
I know I got a direct message before from moderators, when i abused the system
 
Yeah, but that's from moderators.
 
yeah, but that means they have the functionality to do it
 
Direct messaging of regular users doesn't exist in a conventional way.
that's the last real domino to fall before SO is a social network.
 
11:24 PM
There is a lot of history that new moderators are perhaps not aware of.
 
^ and there's no handbook.
 
In fact, most of it is covered in the faq that is often overlooked. chat.stackoverflow.com/faq
 
ah okay
yeah
 
Do have fun, but please keep it professional and always be respectful of your fellow community members.
 
that sounds like 'mandatory fun days' in the marines.
 
11:26 PM
"But I think a web-based real time chat system like Campfire could offer that informal public gathering third place -- a space for people who love the topic to meet, discuss, and collaborate in a different way. It would foster community, and be complementary to both strict Q&A;, and meta-discussion." -Jeff Atwood
Jeff Atwood on April 29, 2010
When people ask me what mistakes we made in building Stack Overflow, near the top of the list is not acknowledging the need for a meta-discussion site earlier. That is, a place for people to discuss Stack Overflow itself.
"You do not get to tell anyone else what offends them, not here, not on the main sites, and not in chat. Ever." -Shog9
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This goes beyond vulgar language. Most of chat is public, and if the folks reading what you're writing are offended, then you can either stop writing it or go somewhere else.
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A: Are expletives allowed in SE chat?

Shog9These questions always puzzle me a bit; they never come up because someone's conflicted about how they should communicate - they're always attached in some fashion to the notion that there should be limits on how other people should be interpreting what you've written: I'm simply talking abou...

 
Isn't @JeffAtwood no longer in charge?
 
there is was an ICQ interface to the chat, last commit was 2005
 
i think i'm dying
 
oo, ICQ. I still remember my ICQ number
254517202
 
28262790
 
11:41 PM
used to use it to communicate while playing Ultima Online
 
@SteveG Not today, it's not a good day to die
 
i am so sick, i have the shivers but no fever
 
ouch - hows the weather outside? know lot people getting that snow
 
every time we've pushed for explicit rules, they just point to "be nice" and a bunch of other subjective BS. If they can't tell us exactly what is wrong, it is incorrect to believe we can objectively enforce subjective rules, because everyone's opinion on what is "nice" or "appropriate" is wrong, based on culture, location, personal beliefs, and more.
 
Am I doing something wrong:

using(var sw = new StringWriter())
using(var xw = XmlWriter.Create(sw))
{
     writer.WriteStartElement("SUB");
     writer.WriteString("Bitch");
     writer.WriteEndElement();

     var sample = sw.ToString();
}
Sample appears to always be null.
 
11:44 PM
making an xml?
 
Yeah
 
@SteveG drink a cup of tea and eat a cookie, probably low blood sugar
 
Making an xml as a string, so that I can save it to db.
 
i have some noodles in the freezer that are about a year and a half old
thats about it
 
@Greg What is "writer" ? you have xw and sw there
 
11:46 PM
Writer should be xw
Bad copy paste
 
@SteveG go eat, jesus
do people not cook anymore?
 
@SteveG would you like a pizza ordered
 
lol i'm ordering IHOP
 
@ReedCopsey Shouldn't that contain a value?
 
well the lounge has gotten interesting
 
11:48 PM
ugh, IHOP is terrible though
 
The pancakes!! for the Kittens!
 
@Greg You need two levels of parens, and put the sw.ToString() after the first (after xw is disposed)
 
@Codeman why's that? Turkey and gravy, mm
 
dislike the fact you have to remove and re add the collection of snippets after making a change
 
using(var sw = new StringWriter())
{
    using(var xw = XmlWriter.Create(sw))
    {
         xw.WriteStartElement("Foo");
         xw.WriteString("Bar");
         xw.WriteEndElement();
    }
    var sample = sw.ToString();
}
 
11:49 PM
Just did that, was about to try.
 
because it's shitty mass manufactured barely microwaved food :P
 
The scope hasn't flushed the contents of the dispose.
 
encoding will be wrong by default, though
 
@Codeman lol :( this is why i need a wife
 
@SteveG you can cook for yourself, lol
I cook all the time for my gf
I just made some pan fried salmon with gnocchi last night, she made roasted acorn squash
 
11:55 PM
well la de da, aren't you the perfect gentleman, i'd rather not cook, because i hate cooking more than..... idk
 
cooking is easier, healthier and cheaper than eating out :)
just buy a slow cooker
 
i got one
lol
 
slow cooker chili, slow cooker roasts, bbq
tons of incredibly easy recipes that are literally "dump stuff in pot, turn on low, go to work, come home to delicious"
 
so much preparation though
 
think its more the act of cleaning up - lets face it
 
11:56 PM
cleanup is a single dish... the crock
 
yeah that too
 
there is a new thing my buddy is doing
they send you food
 
i clean as I cook though. you have 60 seconds where you're waiting for water to boil, wash your colander
munchery or blue apron?
 
its 4 servings for 2 people was 55$
 
theyre overpriced
 
11:57 PM
blue apron
 
i wanted to try blue apron
 
I cooked salmon I caught myself in southeast alaska last night and ate it, can't beat that ;)
 
wow
 
ya but, for Steve is Convenience
 
what can I say, I'm a catch :P
my gf is better at baking though, her pot pies are amazing
 
11:58 PM
my gf... <RO inappropriate comment>
 
has a very flexible.... mind?
 
lol
 

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