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3:00 PM
...that's in Orange County, NY
which I was unaware of
apparently that exists
 
I don't understand
 
yea it sucks
 
I have an App.config
 
such a misnomer
 
the show was filmed there
 
3:00 PM
@SethKitchen Ohh in the Logger?
 
they say Orange County, everyone thinks Cali
 
the whole area is shitty
lots of hunting
 
they don't tell you it's a bumfuck part of upstate NY
 
pretty much standard NY
 
also, my family lived in the Buffalo area for a while
 
3:01 PM
you go 30-40 minutes away from any city you might as well pull out a vest and a gun and go sit in some tree stands
 
I might move to Buffalo, because close to home
 
and I have the dubious honor of having only lived there for 8 days
 
uh the App.config is for the whole application. not just the logger
 
before moving to Wisconsin
@Failsafe You've obviously never been to Wisconsin
 
@ShotgunNinja I assume it's mroe or less the same
you probably have more green
 
3:02 PM
@Failsafe How about more, much more
 
lol
 
the accent is a little different, from New England to near-Yooper
 
we have the adirondaks but you cant really hunt there
too many hikers
also bears
 
sounds like perfect hunting
idk
 
bears would be fun to hunt
 
3:03 PM
these asshole hikers will pop out of a mountain on one side of the road, run accross the street and up into another hill/mountain
 
we've got some of the biggest deer populations in the country
 
bunch of douchebags
 
@Failsafe s/hikers/deer/
 
my brother went deer hunting yesterday. nothing for him though :(
 
the DEC gave some extra tags away this season
apparently theres too many deer
 
3:04 PM
bah
 
There is a TON of hunters out today in the area
MANY Deer they are in my backyard to many
 
the colder it gets the better the hunting
 
Thanksgiving in Wisconsin is a culmination of three things: Turkey, Packers games, and leaving for deer hunting the next morning
 
@ShotgunNinja Im suprised theres no deer hunting the previous day
venison is fan-fucking-tastic
 
is there a legal season for deer hunting over there?
 
3:05 PM
The season opens on thanksgiving
 
oh
 
lol, JIT answer
 
13 Days of Deer on the News
 
*if I recall correctly
 
interesting
ours starts at like
sept
 
3:06 PM
Gun hunting for deer opened Nov 21 this year
 
Muzzle-loader hunting for deer opened Nov 30, or Black Friday
 
i use a bow
so early sept for me
 
can we use crossbow?
 
yes
although theres no fun in crossbows
 
3:08 PM
Would switching to a wrapper like a MVVM approach be an ideal way to resolve that issue?
 
TIL people hunt bears here
 
@Greg Where is the question?
 
I believe every single family has filled deer head in their home over there.
 
@Failsafe People hunt bears everywhere that bears are available.
 
only tourists get deer heads
 
3:10 PM
Up above.
 
most hunters hunt for food
 
@ShotgunNinja I hope lot of us understand that :)
 
i only kill deer for venison
 
Bear hunting is a favorite pastime in Wisconsin, where our rivalry with the Bears frequently spills over into heated arguments across the bars and roads of the state
 
Can you not do:

<td>@Html.DisplayFor(customer => String.Format("{0} {1}", model.FirstName, model.LastName))</td>

I keep getting:

Templates can be used only with field access, property access, single-dimension array index, or single-parameter custom indexer expressions.
 
3:11 PM
also why i use a bow
 
A lot of people come up from Illinois and Indiana to hunt our deer for the sake of population control
 
Well yea
 
We give out a certain number of permits each year to out-of-state trophy hunters to facilitate that
 
yea
idk why deer is a trophy
it's not that hard
 
and they come up and wreck our beautiful Northwoods region for a week or two, then go back to where they came from
Wisconsin and Illinois have such a strange relationship
 
3:13 PM
yea a lot of people bring their atv's and roam around
why cant people just sit in a tent/stand for a couple hours
 
We hate each other's guts, and yet we financially support each other quite a bit
Wisconsin provides deer hunting, nature retreats, and alcohol
Illinois provides tourists, a global city, and international flights
 
i work in a city and most of my coworkers are farmers lol
one of the architects here just butchered his cow
 
Wisconsin: Where Chicago goes on the weekends
 
got free steak
 
dude, fuck yes, freshly butchered steak is amazing
 
3:15 PM
@ShotgunNinja you mean like marriage
 
@KendallFrey exactly
but don't tell that to ANYONE around here
 
its filet too
 
oh man
 
high quality grass fed
 
oooooh man
 
3:15 PM
im gonna cook it this weekend
 
@Greg The DisplayFor is trying to infer some Model information about those 2 and it only wants 1
 
as a member of the Dairy State, I know a little bit about steak
that sounds awesome
 
become friends with a cattle farmer lol
 
shouldn't be hard
 
he leaves apple trees on his yard so deer eat fermented fruit
and when they get drunk he kills them
lol
its a little sadistic
but smart af
 
3:17 PM
although a lot of the dairy production here is pretty far from me
Janesville, Appleton, Dane County, the central parts of the state
that white part in the southeast corner is where I live
 
@juanvan Yeah, I understand that part. In essence I've created a multi dimensional array by trying to use more than one of my properties together. So if I do an MVVM I can unify them there, then output as a single item.
Or is that not correct approach?
 
you can make a property on the model that uses both if you are going to use it often
 
Well, I did this:
 
@ShotgunNinja That's not horrible
You are literally surrounded
 
by cows
 
3:23 PM
no that's my work building
 
public class AccountViewModel
{
     public AccountPayment account;
     public AccountViewModel(AccountPayment account)
     {
           this.account = account;
     }
     public string Name
    {
           get {return String.Format("{0} {1}", account.First, account.Last); }
    }
}
Something like that, obviously my example is basic, but I have a tad bit more complex model.
 
Ya!@
 
@Failsafe it's just a matter of meeting people who live in those outlying areas and convincing one of them to sell me fresh beef
 
@juanvan Was I correct, just misunderstood you?
 
No you are correct
 
3:25 PM
@ShotgunNinja Yep
 
Okay, you had me worried.
 
I also don't have anywhere to put half a cow in my apartment
 
I would give it a DisplaName("Customer Name")
 
need a big fridge
 
This code
 
3:25 PM
Then you have a column header
 
@if (Model.SomeObject.SomeProperty != string.Empty)
{
<p> Some Html Code </p>
}
 
i got a freezer in my garage
 
Don't have the room
 
time to move
 
Is it okay
 
3:25 PM
lol
 
looks ugly
 
I'm looking into getting a house down in the Bay View neighborhood eventually
 
@if (Model.SomeObject.SomeProperty != string.Empty)
{
<p> Some Html Code </p>
}
 
can't you use !string.IsNullOrEmpty instead?
 
@Obviously could removed them from the Model before it goes to the UI to be rendered
 
3:26 PM
@Obviously You could use String.IsNullOrEmpty
god damnit @Squiggle
 
Nice schools, nice houses, good neighbors, fun restaurants and bars, a few really cool parks, and good access to downtown
 
String.IsNullOrEmpty the best practice?
 
@Failsafe LIGHTNING FINGAZ
 
string.IsNullOrWhitespace() ftw
2
 
the only problem is that house prices are skyrocketing right now
 
3:27 PM
@ShotgunNinja That sucks
you could get a really nice house here for 180k
with very low property tax
 
It's pretty much just in that neighborhood, though, because it's one of the hottest places to live in the city
 
its pretty nice
 
@Failsafe w8... upstate ny? is it that cheap?
 
yea
you can get a 180k house with like....2.5k prop tax
 
I could also go to neighboring Cudahy or St. Francis and do just fine.
 
3:28 PM
@juanvan How are things with you?
 
Going ok - Still digging up the backyard :( trying to get this water under control
 
Prices in Bay View are around that for average size houses
 
@Greg getting to work on the MVC app today?
 
@ShotgunNinja dude, you call that skyrocketing?
 
@juanvan Yeah, I hear you. My wife was like I don't want our baby crawling on this carpet, you can tile the room like you wanted. But to get to that I've got to do the fireplace and the slider.
@juanvan Yeah.
 
3:31 PM
@tweray it used to be a super cheap neighborhood
and I mean, trashy cheap
 
come to long island and let me tell you where sky is D:
 
a bunch of older hippies and gay couples moved in and took it over, and now it's crazy nice
yeah, it's not Long Island
but in terms of sheer growth, it blew up
 
@Greg Nice! - Ya 1 project usually has 3 attached side projects that need to be done. try to remove a 6ft long rock by hand last night - then it started to rain, I gave up
 
but yes, it looks like a good area, near water, close to downtown
 
and the restaurants
 
3:33 PM
i would buy a house and sell it after 2 years something
 
and they didn't even list Odd Duck
 
@juanvan Ah, that would suck.
 
lol i love it when ppl category menu by "animal" and "vegetable"
 
Does lots - but the rest of the basement is dry so it is Working, need this last part then can put a laundry setup in
 
3:38 PM
@tweray yeah, me too. I think that's just so they can reuse the template; their menu changes like once a month
sometimes it's good, sometimes it's only okay
better than the crap I eat normally, though
and good enough to have been rated #1 in Milwaukee the year they opened
 
@juanvan The nice thing, is once it is completed you feel like you did something productive.
 
Ya it will be great to have it done and then can get back to coding
 
Why would this be empty:

        var fields = {};
        $('#Edit-Customer-Payment').submit(function () {
            fields[this.name] = $(this).val();
        });
@juanvan Have you not been coding for awhile?
 
not in the last month - been outside digging, back at the Family job and doing a network upgrade learning the Dell NSA Firewalls and Dell Powerconnect software
 
That is cool, should be relatively easy right?
 
3:45 PM
Ya so far, straight forward for the most part
have had 3 hard drives fail on the servers over the last 2 months
my computer died getting an i7 chip soon :)
 
Nice.
 
Lot over the last 2 months
now that I think, I am tired lol
 
does anyone here is having problems to access so?
im having a dns problem
 
oddduck, I'm getting hungry
 
@JúlioMurta what site? you ever try ping plotter?
 
3:51 PM
I might have to take my girlfriend out on a date there sometime soon
she deserves it for working so hard at work and school
 
just do it tonight
 
can't; we have to finish some math tests
plus she needs a haircut
 
lol
"needs a haircut" :p
 
She wants to get her pattern cut redone before my Christmas party
which is Saturday
and the rest of her week is pretty busy
 
Pattern?
 
3:55 PM
she has that funky new haircut where part of her hair is shaved short and has patterns cut into it, and the other part is pixie bob-like
 
Ya have seen them - the wife's sister has one, not my cup o tea (well hers)
 
I love it, I think it's super cute
 
It's a ploy by hairdressers to create more demand.
fucking capitalists
 
also, shampoo should be outlawed
 
3:59 PM
I like shampoo, but I know it kills hair
 
I like shampoo too, but I couldn't drink a whole bottle.
 
then again, for people with tougher and more brittle hair, shampoo and hair care products aren't a fucking joke
like, when some people have to put fucking animal placenta in their hair
 
@Squiggle could not get over the smell to drink the shot
 
@juanvan mix it with orange juice.
urgh I gagged whilst writing that
 
@juanvan try next time to hold Your nose
 
4:03 PM
wait what? you can drink vodka but cannot drink shampoo? you so lame
 
took a trip with some kids, 7of us in a hotel room, this guy used my shampoo and towel that I brought from home.. He said he thought it was the Hotels Shampoo. Don't think the hotel is providing a Full bottle of Shampoo
 
to be fair, some motels do
 
My shampoo cost about the same as Grey Goose.. :-\ don't know what that says
 
and think about the bright part, at least he didn't drink it
 
buy cheaper shampoo
 
4:05 PM
@ntohl take the Head and shoulders when I go away with a group of people
but really, its like a shot of coffee in the morning, the smell of the shampoo gets me up and going
 
there is nothing, that baking soda can't handle :D
 
@juanvan proxy issues
 
Is it possible to make changes in a Diff window in visual studio and save it to the file being diff'd?
 
@Sidney there should be 3 panels
oh hang on
im thinking about conflicts on check ins
just edit the local one
 
And saving will save to the local file?
 
4:10 PM
you should be able to edit the local one from with in the diff view
that's version in your project folder on the local machine and presumably the other is the version on the tfs / git server
 
Pretty much, I made some changes that made my stuff work, but broke the crap out of all the other code in the class. I'm gonna trying a hail mary play before just trashing all my changes. :(
Thank you for your help. =D
 
Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
$.each(fieldNames, function (index) {
    $('#' + fieldNames[index]).val(form[index]);
});
 
blargh
WHARRGARBL GARBL GARBL
 
It doesn't add the value to the input's.
Figured it out, I'm an idiot.
 
Yeah
Stack Overflow now logs in on Edge
 
4:19 PM
@MoonOwl22 when did it not?
 
When Edge was still new I couldn't log into Stack Overflow for some weird reason
 
Weird, it has worked for me since it first came to insider preview. I recently started using Firefox again though so I could have SO chat in app tabs because they're smaller.
 
I had to use Internet Explorer
 
Shouldn't :input have everything.
Within a form.
 
@MoonOwl22 You could just use a browser which is known to work.
Any browser made by microsoft doesn't really fulfill that criteria.
 
4:31 PM
I refuse to use any browser that is not from Microsoft. I want to lead a Google-free life as much as I can
 
I find that Chrome is the odd duck that breaks weird more often than anything else.
 
I stopped using Chrome
 
I like IE (10+) and Edge because they're really fast. Firefox is acceptable though and has tons of features I use daily...
 
msft just need to allow 3rd party extension on edge. only reason i stick with chrome is the ad blocker
 
Using an ad blocker is unethical
 
4:34 PM
having a screen sized fake link that i had to click in before doing anything on a page is also unethical
 
I use the ad blocker as a blacklist. Allow all ads, unless I block them on certain sites or a specific ad.
 
when everybody can standardize where ad should go and where ad shouldn't stay, i will abandon ad blocker
 
ios chatroom is too dead.
What are some best practices for maintaining an ecosystem of a mobile app and the web api it talks to?
i.e. if there's a breaking api change, how to relay that information so the mobile app shows a "hey update me" message
My team isn't even sure in what cases we'd want to require an update. We're on the fence about allowing the user to limp along as much as possible with an old version, or bringing up an alert whenever a new mobile app version is out.
It seems hard to predict the nature of breaking changes.
 
Advertising should be subliminal. Like coming in the form of the subtext of the films we watch and sponsored content
 
@MikeAsdf the api and the client app should be independent of one another
unless you are required to update the client app
if that's the case, then push a client update
 
4:43 PM
So I have a code readability opinion question. Would an inline array of literals with an indexer for a variable selection make most coders eyes bleed? I feel like it's very direct and have been using it for years, but I don't see it often so I'm wondering if it just makes sense to me because I'm used to using it.

Example:

String WeekDayName = {"Monday", "Tuesday", "Wednesday", "Thursday"...}[WeekDayIndex]
 
@Failsafe ios doesn't let us "push" updates, afaik
i.e. a forcible upgrade
 
Oh, you want to force the update
 
@Sidney isnt better to use an enum?
 
the way you explained it sounded like it was optional
 
@Sidney I quite like that approach. You could declare that sort of array static readonlyin your class rather than inline, if you're concerned about optimisation.
 
4:45 PM
I don't even know what we really want.
 
@MikeAsdf You should decide that before you start solutioning lol
 
We want to avoid the mobile app blowing up because our complex data format hypothetically changed.
right, my question was geared towards what are the good possibilities
 
@JúlioMurta that sort of usage implies resolving a name from an index. Your implementation would effectively be ((DatesEnum)weekDay).ToString() or something, which is uglyyyyy.
 
iOS will let you put updates on apps in the store
 
@Julio I'd considered that, but by using an enum I wind up with a switch statement just to assign a variable. At at least 3 lines per possibility.
 
4:48 PM
have your api look at the current app manifest version number and check it against the updated version number
and if it's different tell the user to download an update
 
idea 1: a MinimumSupportedMobileVersion api method
coworker: "but what if we only touched one thing and a user never uses that part?"
 
Aside from that, Enums can't contain complex types.
 
@MikeAsdf I am confused
 
@Sidney what's wrong with: DateTime.Parse('2016-02-0' + WeekDayIndex).ToString("dddd"); ?
 
4:54 PM
So at my work, we have this helper that gets the enum int value from db, when passed the name of the table and enum string name, Is it a good approach or a bad one?
 
@DavidDV That's when we're starting a course on the development cycle with a focus on Agile next term...
 
@MikeAsdf we keep legacy web apis, like my.api/v1/endpoint and my.api/v2/endpoint if the data structure changes too much it gets hard though
 
@MoonOwl22 ????
the vid is pointing fun at cult behaviour like the TDD-cult
 
TDD cult is real
 
Sorry for the misunderstanding
 
4:57 PM
Well look at the complete video then when you are interested in agile
 
!!afk requirements gathering
 
he is one of the original ppl that did the agile manifesto
 
@ShotgunNinja We dont have all the commands...
 
I have seen development teams wasting tons of time on tdd at the intial stages of development and later on leave it all together at the later stages because the realize tdd is bull crap
 
^
I've tried TDD before; it results in working code, but the cost for large-scale application development gets pretty high.
Doing tests first means that you know what the software needs to do, which is a step back towards Waterfall
plus, TDD fails spectacularly when it comes to UI testing
 

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