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2:00 PM
@WayneWerner ...amazing.
 
hmm
 
I swear there are days I feel like "Analytics" just means "Magic!" to people (i.e. "how did you figure that out?")
I long ago learned that question does not mean explain it to me - it means I need a soundbite
 
I need to actually start creating stuff for my Programming is Magic! book/tutorial
 
2:06 PM
@PM2Ring Proving you are not living in a simulation is often dark work.
> We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
> -- Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)
 
and sometimes it turns into the Matrix
 
Why the hell is California so far across? I want to speak to someone on the phone but it's still 7am there.
By the time they get in it'll be Fizzybye time.
So inconsiderate.
 
well, just fix the timezones Fizzy
 
It's just 14:00 UTC there. The only problem is they don't get into work until 15 or 16
 
A sufficiently well-programmed simulation is indistinguishable from reality. You don't need to worry about your prisoners banging on the walls of their cells if the walls are indestructible.
 
2:08 PM
It's probably easier to fix geography than it is to fix timezones.
 
@Ffisegydd You just need to learn how to hack time
 
@Ffisegydd have a star then
 
If you can prove you're in a simulation, it's a lousy simulation.
 
While I'm waiting for my job offer to come through
 
unless its a dual layer simulation - and the person only proved the first layer and is tricked by second
 
2:12 PM
God is behind 7 proxies.
 
@JGreenwell The Matrix is pretty tame compared to Permutation City. Egan is not only one of the world's best hard sci-fi writers of all time, he's also a competent mathematician & programmer, so he knows his computer stuff. And he's no slouch when it comes to physics, either. :)
 
@RobertGrant I'm still waiting on confirmations/offers for teaching jobs for next semester (the next 3 weeks is when I would expect them)
 
It actually explains a lot of mythology now to think of it.
 
Foundations is a series of articles, first published in the magazine Eidolon, on some of the theories of twentieth-century physics that have most influenced modern science fiction.
However, these are not essays on the history or philosophy of science; their aim is to show how the central idea of each theory leads to detailed, quantitative predictions of real physical effects. For example, the article on special relativity derives formulas for time dilation, Doppler shift, and aberration. These articles are for the interested lay reader. No prior knowledge of mathematics beyond high school algebra and geometry is needed.
 
@JGreenwell huh? :-)
 
2:14 PM
The Matrix is tame compared to a lot of stuff
You said you were waiting on job offers - which I now realize was a joke @RobertGrant
 
Sorry, yes :)
Semi joking. If Fizzy says nothing then I was joking.
 
I forget SOPython room means 90% of everything said is a semi-joke
lol
 
This talk about simulations reminds me of a bit from Unsong. One of the characters is the universe's sysadmin, and is considering whether he should kill a particularly troublesome human.
> 4.9 seconds and his problem could be over. The thing was, he had never killed anybody before. [...] Wait, no, that was also completely false. He’d smitten people who were using up too many system resources. Or who were trying to go into areas he hadn’t finished simulating at the necessary level of fidelity. And of course people who were boiling goats in their mothers’ milk. Or who were planning to boil goats in their mothers’ milk. Or who looked like the sort of people who might do that.
I like the idea of traveling to, like, new zealand, and finding an untextured wireframe where land should be. Then you're consumed in holy fire, the guy in the boat behind you shrugs and writes "here be dragons" on his map, and he turns around and goes home.
 
Unsong is good - friend pointed it out to me just cause it has Aleph on title page
 
2:20 PM
What would be the dupe for this? stackoverflow.com/questions/38852779/…
 
is he just trying to split the (string) elements of a list?
 
user559633
90% might be a low estimate
 
it jumps when you login tristan ;)
 
That monster that makes everyone forget and not be able to describe him would fit into that sysadmin story, probably better than holy fire even.
 
2:27 PM
@QuestionC monads?
 
@RobertGrant In the post mate.
 
Cool :-) I found this cool language called Ruby, I'll try and get everyone to use it!
 
The SCP thing.
> Yeah. I like the one thing that nobody can describe and five minutes after they leave the containment area they forget that the thing exists.
And they eventually discover that they can describe what it isn't, and their preliminary descriptions are "it isn't red. It isn't round. It is definitely not safe."
 
@KevinMGranger Python: loop over list of strings with split might be a good fit (if that is what he was trying to do)
 
We don't know that it's a monster. Just that it's not safe, red, or round
 
2:29 PM
> And of course people who were boiling goats in their mothers’ milk. Or who were planning to boil goats in their mothers’ milk. Or who looked like the sort of people who might do that.
^ Gotta love the Kosher joke
 
I think they just don't understand how looping over a list works
And perhaps make multiple elements from a string. Seems like it's a combination of dupes
 
yeah, I put it as related cause it's close but didn't flag as dupe cause it isn't quite right
 
@JGreenwell I like the running gag that half of the laws in the Torah are there not because it's immoral to do X, but because doing X consumes a lot of system resources and/or exposes a bug in the universe's framework.
Like, homosexuality is discouraged because it's way harder to calculate everyone's soulmate if you can't separate humanity into two neat categories (male and female) and only match between the two
 
universe sysadmins love bipartite graphs
 
@Kevin I am catching youuu
 
2:38 PM
heh, I've actually heard arguments like that when discussing Torah and Tanakh (relating to whether mitzvah, laws, are included due to immorality and safety or because it was easier for G-d to just say no then explain all the intricacies to us) - its usually a fun discussion
 
I'm starting to suspect that you're Judaist
 
Why is it not allowed to use the word God, that's not the name of God :D
 
habit for me, for the long answer - don't ask unless you really, really want to know
 
@AnttiHaapala Rep-wise? Yeah, I've been slacking in answering questions. Too busy looking at funny cat pictures.
 
2:41 PM
@Kevin I am not sure if I did have more rep than you at some point :D
 
user6568562
Hey everybody [ :
 
@KevinMGranger Maybe one of the questions on sopython.com/canon/14/splitting-a-list-into-even-chunks However, it looks like the OP is a bit confused, and possibly has a XY problem. Also we can't really tell what they're trying to do without some feedback, but they aren't responding.
Both of the questions linked on the sopython page deal with lists of integers, and that might add to the OP's confusion. But I guess either of them are suitable dupe targets, & if the OP doesn't respond soon I'm happy to dupe-hammer with either one.
 
Definitely an XY problem
 
2:59 PM
I'll just post a link to one of those pages & see if we get a response from the OP. There's no rush to dupe-close it since it's not attracting FGITW answers, and the previous answer has self-deleted.
 
The previous answer was also accepted, so they're probably in no rush to provide further info and/or learn :/
Accepted and at -3... what a combo :P
 
at least he got a badge
 
Hi @randomhopeful
 
user6568562
@Wayne Hey [ :
 
Still morning cabbage around these parts :)
 
user6568562
3:07 PM
4 pm in good old North Africa : P
 
user6568562
@Wayne How's this day looking out for you ?
 
Pretty good, got up & after things nice and early
 
I have a web app idea. Let's create a community-driven debate web application. Where anybody, just like in SO, can contribute arguments in an organized graph-like structure
 
user6568562
Nice. That's the secret to staying sane while getting things done
 
user6568562
@khajvah A web app that would rank tutorials, documentation and other information resources by their information exhaustiveness in a graph like structure would be also nice.
Kind of like a network of tunnels to knowledge.
 
@randomhopeful that's harder
 
@khajvah That sounds like TheBestDebateInTheUniverse
 
what is that?
 
I miss slashdot
network of tunnels made me think of it before anyone asks
 
there are some software that aid debaters but nothing community driven. I think it's gonna be interestin g
 
user6568562
3:19 PM
@khajvah You should keep in mind the trouble with community driven anything. SJW, clueless mannerless newcomers, mob tendencies. But it would be a nice thing if the graph structure is spot on.
 
@randomhopeful vote system for arguments and reputation system, so people will waste lots of time for internet points
 
@corvid I like NOFX
 
they're great, aren't they?
 
btw, how does stackoverflow generate money?
with careers only?
 
Ads, careers, and private instances.
 
3:25 PM
Docs
 
and docs
heh:D
 
:D
 
How does SO make its money? Slavery.
 
I thought they stopped doing private instances
 
Not as far as I know. They did stop doing custom domains -> tags though I think.
Oh right, sponsored tags with icons is another paid thing.
 
3:27 PM
Hm. Can't find the NOFX song or so that I thought I had
oh well
too broad and someone has answered now stackoverflow.com/q/38852863/344286
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: I think the last time I couldn't play because I was on my vacation, but this time, what the heck. I'm in.
 
typo? stackoverflow.com/q/38854606/344286 how do I use variables?
 
I mean... that's literally where they're confused
cabbage, antti
 
user559633
I just tried to use Docs for something that I don't know how to do. The pages I read were like a sloppy, plagiarized, less coherent version of the official doc from which multiple authors were stealing.
 
3:37 PM
yes
or had your avoidance of it made you blind to how bad it is - and you just pulled that band-aid off?
 
user559633
It's just adding noise to an already low-signal problem (in this case, it was some front-end JS library work)
 
looking at JS did not help - tried to ask something in SOD chatroom and realized it was nearly all JS talk cause their tag is so horrible - and there are so many of them trying to game (not those in chat but those in JS tag)
 
One of our clients just got hit by crypto. How is this still a thing?
 
DSM
Hit by crypto what now?
 
cryptolocker?
cause people still click on bait, don't back-up properly, don't upgrade, etc?
 
3:44 PM
Yeah, cryptolocker.
Specifically the zepto variant.
We called their IT to let them know, and they'd never heard of it.
Wheeeee.
 
did chrome just change its UI?
 
user6568562
@tristan I think we talked about Bodzin, one time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwsFulnPUm0
 
Did a web scraping project, got paid and 1 day later noticed a big banner saying that the site is about to roll out a new design
Hoo boy
 
wait, IT dept hadn't heard of one of the most common ransomwares? yeah, that ain't good
 
@corvid Looks the same to me.
@JGreenwell Nope. They had no idea what that meant.
 
3:48 PM
what ransomware meant you mean?....duh, what?
 
user559633
@randomhopeful we did. i'll check this out
 
They seemed confused by the very notion of encryption.
 
user559633
@vaultah time to get paid again
 
yeah, exactly my thoughts
 
@JGreenwell there was this ransomware in Finland that said, in Finnish, that the computer is locked down by the police, and demanded that a fine be paid to the police, after which the computer would be unlocked :D
 
3:50 PM
one's here mostly claimed FBI
 
so of course someone then called the police station and shouted that he'd paid the damn fine already and why don't they fscking unlock the computer already before his GF comes home.
 
saw one that was NSA
 
this was reported as true by the police
 
must have been hard to try to keep calm and not rofl at the station :D
 
3:52 PM
This one doesn't even pretend.
 
of course there was no actual unlocking functionality
 
It's just "pay us bitcoins".
 
just encrypted the harddisk with throwaway key
the funny thing about that that they only had one payment method from Finland.
one needed to use paysafe prepaid card for the payment, and there was only one kiosk chain even selling that
so the kiosk chain started to notify customers that they shouldn't use it to pay ransoms for computers.
 
I remember when I was a technician and anytime I had anyone give me a corporate laptop that was "having problems" - first stop was browser history and checking which "adult sites" they had got a virus from (usually to cries of innocence)
second stop was email folders
 
user559633
3:56 PM
TODO: Open dance club named Seal
 
Two dolphins walk into a bar, because clubs are for seals.
 
user6568562
Best club name I've ever saw was Troglodytes'
 
user559633
golf clap
 
nice
 
What's the most pythonic way to convert a numpy array like [1 2 3 4 5] to a string like '1,2,3,4,5'
 
4:03 PM
@JGreenwell back in the days of floppy disks I spent a couple of hours at my dad's office helping fix a worm that his CEO let in that way
 
@clickhere join?
 
','.join(your_array) @clickhere
 
no :D
 
user559633
nvm didn't bother to read
 
4:04 PM
I bet there's a way to do it with pandas ;)
 
@AnttiHaapala very bad accepted answer from an SO point of view
 
@AndrasDeak it is
but there were other answers
 
user559633
get a sharpie and just draw little commas
 
I was just thinking that that was a kind of ridiculous number of answers on that question, heh.
 
@AnttiHaapala thank you
 
4:05 PM
I once had an executive terrified that he had let in a virus through his floppy (5 1/2) and I kept his computer for a few days to "fix it" - even though I had disconnected the floppy drive like a year before and just left it in cause it filled the hole @WayneWerner
 
@clickhere if you find a better way, you should add there :)
 
also I liked having a 5 1/4 on my workstation cause I would flip the toggle when bored
 
performance is a non-issue since my arrays are 1d and typically less than 10
 
@tristan the number of times that I've had little flecks of detritus on my monitor that I've thought were periods, commas, quotes, or changed an o into a q or something, making me think that someone's SO question (or answer) was wrong...
 
@clickhere ','.join() is a clearly readable pattern for python users
I'd go with that
or just, you know, fix your XY problem:P
 
user559633
4:07 PM
@WayneWerner i was doing some "art" the other day and had a smudge on my screen and tried for about 30 seconds to change the hue of it before realizing
 
all of my problems are XY problems
 
@JGreenwell Nice. This exec in question clicked on something like kittens.doc.exe in his email, despite my Dad (who wasn't actually IT, he just enjoys it) constantly telling him not to.
@tristan Good times. I find that the retina display on my macbook pro is worse than my old LCD monitors.
 
user559633
@WayneWerner heh, cinema display. it's because it's so glossy!
 
user559633
@WayneWerner Yes. "kittens"
 
Trying to decide whether to tell replace empty dictionary values with preset value python to do print(str(my_list_of_dicts).replace("''", "'n/a'"))
 
4:12 PM
Also kind of makes me want to go back to an old 1600x1200 (or better) CRT monitor. You could actually take a razor knife to scrape things off your monitor
 
My protestations of "you didn't actually show us a single thing that looks like a dict, but apparently your question is all about them" fell on deaf ears
 
btw. the exec real problem was that he had changed his screen saver to blank screen and thought that was a virus
 
The lazy solution works regardless of what the object's actual type is, which is nice.
 
at this point I'm wondering if "dictionary" means JSON or something (csv or string too)
 
I have some sympathy for OP because he's working with a legacy codebase, but...
 
DSM
4:15 PM
For the record it's been just under 80 days at NumberFirm and today is the first day I'm actually doing dev work under a linux virtualbox. Couldn't even make it three months.
 
@JGreenwell nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/… were you channelling your inner Nick Burns?
 
heh...I forgot about that one
 
@DSM On the flip side, I used grep for the first time yesterday. I see the appeal.
 
@DSM Yeah I can't live without linux either ;)
 
DSM
I got lost in the hell of figuring out what versions of what I needed to get cython code compiled. I'm going to have to sort it out later this week anyhow.. but not today.
 
4:21 PM
@MorganThrapp there's another tool, ag (the silver searcher) that's even faster than grep, and pretty much a drop-in replacement. But, if you're just now touching grep it's probably not terribly helpful yet
 
I have to use both but I try and use Linux as much as possible
 
@WayneWerner Huh, I'd never heard of it.
 
user559633
I've never used grep and though "jesus, if only GREP wasn't my bottleneck"
 
@tristan you obviously haven't been searching a large enough codebase with grep, then ;)
my only problem is that I don't know how to tell grep/ag that I just want it to stop looking after it finds N results :P
 
recipe in a Finnish newspaper.
Rye bread, margarine, tomato. Put margarine on rye bread, wash tomatoes, slice, put them on margarine. Who'd thunk that
 
4:26 PM
tomaatti and margariinia? I'm guessing those are loan words?
 
user559633
@WayneWerner i usually just do multiple processes if i have to search more than ~2GB of text
 
hmm...I don't know a way that you can tell grep to stop after n matches (can pipe to head to only see n matches but doesn't stop) without involving bash
 
Yeah, that's basically been my problem
 
-m NUM, --max-count=NUM
Stop reading a file after NUM matching lines.
 
DSM
dsm@winter:~$ grep --help | grep -i stop
  -m, --max-count=NUM       stop after NUM matches
 
4:31 PM
-m NUM, --max-count=NUM
Stop reading a file after NUM matching lines. If the input is standard input from a regular file, and NUM matching lines are output, grep ensures that the standard input is positioned to just after the last matching line before exiting, regardless of the presence of trailing context lines. This enables a calling process to resume a search. When grep stops after NUM matching lines, it outputs any trailing context lines. When the -c or --count option is also used, grep does not output a count greater than NUM. When the -v or --invert-match option is also used, grep sto
 
^ one time I wasn't working in Linux, of course there would be an easy answer in man
 
DSM
What, no props for grepping the grep help? Well, I thought it was cute. :-P
 
@DSM Nice use of grep there, DSM. :)
 
it was fairly awesome
 
@davidism, have you used any web sockets and streaming protocols with Flask at all? What library do you recommend?
 
4:35 PM
Off to see Suicide Squad
 
just don't
 
@corvid Flask-SocketIO
 
@davidism thanks, I've been meaning to look at something that does that as well
 
@khajvah Didn't care for it? I thought it was just "eh"
 
@Ffisegydd rbrb
 
4:35 PM
Thanks sir
 
I still need to see the warcraft movie
 
@corvid not you lol
 
@khajvah Screw you and the horse you rode in on :P
 
@Ffisegydd enjoy :)
 
I need websocket stuff to
 
4:36 PM
There's Flask-Sockets too, but it's a lot more barebones.
 
Warcraft was good.
 
I meant suicide squad
 
user559633
Screw you and the horse you node in on after this sentence
 
oh
 
@corvid I meant SocketIO
 
user559633
4:36 PM
@corvid Oh, ISIS made a feature length movie?
 
ok this got weird
I am out
 
Weirdly, Suicide Squad was my Counterstrike handle
 
how's suicide squad?
 
If you saw my playstyle you'd know why
 
user559633
"ok this got weird I am out" if i had a nickel for every time i've heard this
 
user559633
4:37 PM
@RobertGrant do you have cs:go?
 
You'd have 0 nickels because you have no friends.
 
really, Isis did?
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd oh, sorry, i meant from hired professionals
 
oh I play csgo too. I am silver though, so I should uninstall
 
@tristan I lost that Steam account, but I did have it :)
 
user559633
4:38 PM
 
like the russian kid said yesterday
 
Not my day. 7 answers in a row without an accept.
 
I actually have my original Halflife 2 disc, so I could probably reinstall it and associate with my new account
 
With an acceptance rate of 7.6 out of 10 that's.. unlucky.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant CS:GO isn't on there. That's up to 1.6
 
4:38 PM
I did a lot of my PhD working with ISIS
 
user6568562
Can't find a way to throw in Archer's Isis : /
 
@MartijnPieters first-world problems
 
@khajvah absolutely.
Not that I didn't have fun. The number range question was a fun CS problem for example.
 
well I liked your answer on unions but OP is looking for the answer to a really, really broad follow-up question so I doubt any answer will be accepted there
 
@tristan oh, duh yeah
Sorry I forget - that was CS and CS:Source
Too long ago!
 
user559633
4:41 PM
Haha why are you apologizing?
 
It's my default, sorry
 
Canadian?
 
user559633
Can a dian what?
4
 
@JGreenwell yup, that user is a lost cause.
@tristan "to can", to put something in a tin container, usually to preserve.
So the 'what' is a dian here.
 
user559633
We still have that pesky nonsense word.
 
4:44 PM
Google for dian canning.
 
@davidism that article became a rollercoaster of emotion
> Note that Flask-SocketIO depends on gevent, so at this time it can only run on Python 2.x.
> Update: Flask-SocketIO version 1.0 is fully compatible with Python 2.7 and 3.3+
 
actually, really interesting to me, as I have to use C# and use unions in it, found the link to Union and Optional hints informative
 
user559633
@RobertGrant did you actually want to watch me play CS:GO?
 
user559633
I play it too often and can just tell you when I'm going to noodle in it
 
still playing cs 1.6 on my win xp virtual machine.. love this action game play. cs:go is too pretty girl xD
 
4:47 PM
Oh that's a good idea - I often can't tell what's scheduled but if you just let me know I'll stream if I'm free
 
user559633
@RobertGrant Just tell me when you're free. Streaming is pretty fun and if you're interested in watching, it makes it more fun for me.
 
@MartijnPieters Nice
 
@JGreenwell comma comma comma comma comma chameleon
 
huh?
 
user559633
Eh, he comes and goes.
 
4:57 PM
oh, hey. I got 1k rep, neat
 
@tristan what times are you normally free for that sort of thing, just so I know?
Also - I just got conclusive proof of something people here didn't believe, that I've been saying for about a month now. I am so happy with life.
 

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