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12:10 AM
it was brought up on Meta, so.
 
 
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2:27 AM
@Marco No, but look at the source, and raise an enhance request if the parameter is not exposed. Mind you those '[view source]' links lead to 404 - page not found, so they should fix that
 
@smci Ok, thanks. Yeah, I noticed these 404 errors too :(
 
 
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3:35 AM
@Marco I mean I'm suggesting you notify them. You can't figure out your enhance request till you can see teh source
 
 
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7:36 AM
@Aran-Fey I would use code generation for such things.
 
I tried and immediately got stuck. No clue how to implement it
 
7:51 AM
Somethingsomethingallpermutationssomethingsomething
 
 
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1:27 PM
@smci Yes, I already understood what you said, thanks!
 
 
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3:58 PM
Hmm, I just learned that ArrayLists can be hashmap keys in Java. That feels like a quite extraordinary degree of freedom to be handing the programmer... and then I find you can do it in C++ as well, but that's never cared about its arsenal of footguns; is Python somewhat odd in forcing immutability?
 
According to this answer, it's not a footgun. It's a footarsenal!
 
I wanna see what Rust does now. I'm thinking you only need to define the Hash trait and the relevant methods on any arbitrary struct. I'd never thought anything about it because it's just in my brain that only immutable things could be hashed but that obviously needn't be true now that I think. That would potentially be one hell of a memory leak
 
Technically, Python also hashes all sorts of mutable things as long as their value is not used for comparison.
You can use generators as dict keys, for example.
 
@roganjosh I think we need a PEP to bring Python inline with other languages: add __hash__ = lambda self: id(self) to object :)
 
Too right; I demand the right to sabotage myself in new and exciting ways!
 
4:09 PM
@Peilonrayz that's already the case
 
@MisterMiyagi Huh, you're right.
 
 
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6:05 PM
not really SO related, more of a general forum thing: I'm getting rather fed up of responses of the form "thank you very much. I tried [absurd, ugly thing that has basically no relationship to what you suggested beside using a lot of the same words to describe it], and it worked [as far as OP can tell]."
 
6:58 PM
"Works" has a totally different meaning these days. "I created a code and it works perfectly but gives the wrong results" is a pretty typical pattern I have seen over the years. At first I took that oxymoron to mean "it didn't blow up with a traceback" but if it's not a code traceback, it'll be a real-life traceback when the faulty product/results come out
I like to imagine that there was an elaborate ceremony where they just came to peace with the latter; I mean, it is "working perfectly". I'm slowly learning to let it pass. Just in the same way that there are people who just repeat the exact problem description at you when you ask a very specific and topical question about what was previously said. I haven't learned how to let that one drop and don't suppose I ever will :(
 
7:37 PM
Nov 25, 2019 at 14:38, by Aran-Fey
If this room was an auto repair shop, lots of people would come here with cars that don't start and later leave claiming they solved the problem by adjusting the rear view mirror
@KarlKnechtel It's a long-term trend ^^
@roganjosh Eh, there recently was a HNQ that amounted to basically "I recently started at Super Company and they achieve fault-free software by discarding every exception. Is that a good idea?" and people agreed with that scheme in droves. I, for one, don't welcome our new software overlords.
 
I actually think I read that one :P Life hack - You just need to keep buying a bigger and bigger rug to hide the problem. You're welcome!
I'm immune to the rear-view mirror issue. I can't reverse my car properly even when the engine runs because the Honda Civic was designed with a completely obnoxious feature bar across the back windscreen so I can barely see anything. <taps head> I did a smart in buying that.
 
7:56 PM
I hope that won't prevent you from fixing your car if it ever breaks down :P
 
It'll make me ask more questions at least! :P
I drove with my sister (she was in her own car) to a car dealership owned by someone I know. She was terrified of reversing out through a huge lot (maybe 20 different turns) so I did it for her. I'd never driven her car before but executed it like an olympic dive. I get back in Mr Gassypants and I'm up on the curb by the third turn. I like to think of it that he only ever moves forwards. (I love Mr Gassypants but it's not just software designers that screw up - it's a terrible design)
 
8:11 PM
I'm impressed you volunteered to back out for her if that's how bad it is with your car
Though I guess maybe it was a nice change of pace to drive with a "normal" car again
 
@Aran-Fey I haven't actually forgotten how to reverse :D I just had a crucial advantage of actually being able to see in the case with her car
 
Difficulty changed from "nightmare" to "baby mode"!
 
8:35 PM
Has anyone done a course on DataCamp that they found actually useful? I have to do a competency review tomorrow, to highlight potential learning areas so they can direct me to that as a resource. I can't really turn up and say "I know it all, or better places to find it out" but I haven't seen anything that I think would be illuminating.
 

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