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7:00 PM
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@zneak I'm still not sure why the sourceforge or codeplex or etc account wouldn't work for you
they offer all those things you're asking for, and more
 
@drachenst I'm looking for getting as much feedback as possible from many many people
including not tech-savvy ones
so I'd like something really really easy to use
and if possible, without registration
 
Ah-ha, now we know what your requirements are!
Could you use a system that allows people to email you?
 
like fogbugz only free :P
 
7:02 PM
will you be using it "embedded" within another application?
will they be using chat to communicate with you?
@mootinator that's what I was thinking :p
 
I don't expect them to email me
I expect it to be some kind of issue tracker, with tickets, and such
well
I'm misstating that
I want something to "record" problems
 
An access database!
 
I'd like people to be able to insert new problems and comment on them
 
Google docs spreadsheet!
 
and I'd like it to easily link them together
(kind of like a "duplicate of" relationship)
 
7:03 PM
(Okay, I'll stop)
 
oh, and I'd like it to be set up within 4 hours of now lol
I might as well do something really dirty that will do exactly what I'm asking for
 
@zneak one of the things that FogBugz offers is the ability for a customer to merely send an email and it gets entered in the bugtracker. Then it can be tracked immediately. They don't need to have a registration, and you can skip all the tedium of manual entry. Plus it can be tracked immediately, even by them.
and additionally, the services I have mentioned offer all the features you've asked for except possibly no-registration
so either write it yourself, give us feedback on why those don't work, or consider your problem solved
 
let's say it's solved then
 
look @mootinator we solved another one! :p
 
Huttah!
+5 Insightful
 
7:10 PM
how goes work today in the beautiful snow?
 
I'm not sure I actually got anything done this morning.
Aside from refusing to touch a quote with a 10 foot pole.
"How much would it cost for you to write us some maintenance software."
"Between 1 and 100k. Probably."
"Please restate question, include details."
 
lol, hrm, so it could be quite cheap, ok, build me maintenance software for $1k elbonian
 
lol
 
you pay with elbonian currency, you'll get elbonian service :D
hi all
 
that's fine, because I'm not the kind of guy who negotiates to have code written :p
 
7:18 PM
ok
here is your contract
just sign down there
 
7:32 PM
oh .. um hmm, ok, this all looks to be in order, so here you go ... my mark ... 666
 
ok. The software is in the mail. Another succesful transaction!
 
I want Elbonian software now :(
 
Well, that is certainly something to arrive in the channel to see.
Sorry if this is terribly off topic, but something real funky-like is going on over on the stackexchange chat site; anyone have a line on what is going down?
 
What's that?
 
some kind of if (1) redirect($current_url); thingie, I think.
 
7:44 PM
@WillihamTotland Could you post the chat URL?
 
@belisarius haha where did you get that? i understood that :)
 
I can chat just fine
@Sagar @belisarius now I wonder if I should be curious what it says
 
that's hindi :D
 
Lol
 
7:47 PM
@drachenstern: So why am I getting an infinite redirect loop?
 
"Miyana Isabella"
 
@Sagar I figured it was
from the look of it
who is Miyana Isabella?
a pop star I presume?
 
No clue
That's what it says...
Sounds like a Spanish name though
 
oh ok
 
7:49 PM
Isabella is my 4 month old daughter. I can only assume Miyana is some sort of insult, and shun @belisarius
 
Apparently Miyana is a girl's name in Japanese..
I'm confused now
 
@drachenstern: Look, there's clearly something kooky going on: pastebin.com/2TV2Pz6V
Why am I the only one getting this?
 
idk
are you at work?
 
I, too, tried, can chat just fine...
 
No, that's the really crazy bit.
It works at work. :/
 
7:55 PM
:S
 
The temperature outside: 35 degrees. The temperature in this office: 90 degrees.
 
@mootinator I'm not sure to laugh or cry
 
is there any other interface to the chat?
MSN or IRC or something?
 
nope
 
I wish we had individual thermostat controls :S
 
8:00 PM
Our thermostat is set at 60.
 
Ours is at 73 :'(
 
I wish we had working thermostat controls.
 
but the fan keeps turning on every 2 minutes, and my office is freezing :'(
 
Ok, now my network is just fucking with me.
My other computer on the same network works.
Pardon the french.
 
lol
 
8:05 PM
@mootinator No idea what it says. It' s elbonian
 
aah
LOL Elbonian eh? I must be Elbonic (or something to that effect) then :D
yay!
and whoever's site that is is very very confused.
 
@Sagar agree :)
 
they just called one of the gods 'universe' and then gave him the picture of some other goddess. divine gender bender
 
8:13 PM
Ok, this is driving me up the wall all up ins.
insofar as I can ascertain, the only difference between the two computers is the network setup.
 
How are they different?
 
This problem makes no *SENSE*!
Well, they aren't anymore
 
They both have the same mac address
 
I mean basic like IP address, or something more severe, like firewall/dmz systems?
 
I usurped the network settings.
(Except for the MAC address)
 
8:14 PM
Check your browser's LAN/proxy settings
 
all clear
and, here's the real wacky thing.
 
Have you tried turning it off and then on again?
Is it definitely plugged in?
 
c.se.com should have the same codebase as c.so.com, yeah?
 
@mootinator The IT crowd!
@Williham: yeah
 
@Sagar Yah!
 
8:16 PM
So why is the one working and the other not?
 
Hi all
:]
 
hey harmen!
 
Owel
works on my iPad.
 
@Williham: have you tried clearing your cookies? Somethings they could screw things up.
 
Hmm, I can try.
 
8:16 PM
omg, it feels bad when your reputation doesn't change when you receive upvotes xD Is that a bug on Stack Overflow or something?
 
Cookies are evil, computer or otherwise :P
They're so yummy though!
 
@Harmen Unless you hit the rep cap for the day.
 
@mootinator seriously?
 
@Sagar: What domains, just chat., or other ones as well?
 
Just chat should matter
 
8:18 PM
I think I've got about 200 rep points today
 
Any cookies that are from stackexchange and stackoverflow
 
No dice.
 
hmm
 
@Harmen That would be the limit. You can only get points from accepted answers and bounties for the rest of the day.
 
@mootinator what's the maximum amount of reputation?
 
8:19 PM
Browser?
 
is it in your hosts file? is someone pranking you?
 
inorite?
 
I mean which
 
ok
@mootinator thanks, that's it I think ;)
 
Safari and Firefox; both on Mac OS X, patched to head
 
8:20 PM
On Firefox, open your web console, and see if you can find something amiss.
This should be your output:
or something to that effect. no other errors.
pastebin is awesome!
 
Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
I had a pastebin link further up
 
ok
 
@Harmen after reaching the daily rep cap for 50 days you get a consolation badge
 
type this address in firefox
about:config
check the value for "network.http.redirection-limit"
compare the value for system that works and the one that does not
 
upped to 50
no dice.
 
8:25 PM
ugh
 
basically, any request from my machine to chat.stackexchange.com:80 yields a 302 found (from chat.stackexchange.com, as demonstrated by curl
 
yeah
saw that just now (earliest paste)
 
It's not my browser config, as it affects Safari, FFx and curl.
And they use three different ways of connecting to the net. :P
 
My machine was caching 302 redirects yesterday.
Confused the heck out of me.
 
I guess clear your entire cache then, cookies and all...
 
8:27 PM
That might explain the Safari issue, doesn't explain the issue in Firefox or curl,
 
:S
But then again
different browsers
 
cache cleared, no dice.
 
slap your computer, and ask it to stop being stubborn
 
nothing in /tmp to explain this
nothing in /etc/hosts
gonna try a reboot
 
You haven't tried a reboot? :o
@mootinator The best answering machine in the world @ IT Crowd
lol
 
8:30 PM
@Sagar It's so true.
 
@Sagar I was going to say "reboot" 15 minutes ago ... :D
 
lol
 
I have now tried a reboot.
And it did a completely predictable amount of nothing.
It did all of it, in fact.
 
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Q: most efficient way to search a sorted matrix?

BobHi, I have an assignment to write an algorithm (not in any particular language, just pseudo-code) that receives a matrix [size: M x N] that is sorted in a way that all of it's rows are sorted and all of it's columns are sorted individually, and finds a certain value within this matrix. I need to ...

 
Very interesting
 
8:40 PM
Ok, at least the insanity isn't complete.
My VM with Win7 fails properly.
 
@drachenstern Wouldn't that be the same as a string sort? Except over an array of 32 bit integers, rather than an array of smaller integers.
 
@mootinator edited my post
@mootinator it depends on how many times you have to parse the data
once, a straight read is fast enough
 
This one, but it was closed and whatnot. :/
 
ipconfig /flushdns on windows, forget what it is on linux
 
It would be faster to do a binary search on each row where the value is inside the range of the row.
 
8:46 PM
try navigating directly to 69.59.196.211
@mootinator it's not sorted that way in the problem example
look at the end of row 1 and the beginning of row2
 
Yeah, you'd have to search more than one row where the value is inside the range.
But you could still do a more efficient search on each row.
 
@drachenstern: Lands me on stackoverflow.com
 
@mootinator at that point you're reading every value in
@WillihamTotland sorry, idk bro
@mootinator and if you're reading every value in, you might as well abort once you find it, keeping track of the M and N where you were
 
@drachenstern On a 3x3 grid, maybe but not on an MxN grid.
 
@mootinator yeah, you have to read them into memory from a file at some point
ok, maybe it's given to you in memory and you're just consuming an existing object
 
8:50 PM
@drachenstern This is homework, not reality.
 
I still maintain that you can't know for sure that the element exists in a given row
so the best you can do is expect O(n)
 
Ima answer, you'll see :P
 
additionally, did you see my comment on the question at the top?
 
3logn is still log n
 
@sagar but that's not the example given by the professor. otherwise he had the fastest method above (check the end of the row first, then proceed) additionally, checking the end of the middlest row first would be faster, a bit of a binary search. – drachenstern 8 mins ago
so I did suggest a binary search, at least 8 minutes ago
:p
 
8:52 PM
@drachenstern i saw that
:P
I didn't say binary search lol
I haven't done algos in a while (first sem of masters). Its been two years, and I didn't really like that class much :P
 
@Sagar you didn't say binary search, @mootinator did
 
the professor was a little useless, to say the least
 
Can any give ideas on replicating SO chat?
 
aah
 
as it has no API
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/events
is the JSON response
which provides info such as :
{"r5":{"e":[{"event_type":1,"time_stamp":1289336117,"content":"\u003cdiv class=\u0027full\u0027\u003ehttp://chat.stackoverflow.com/events \u003cbr\u003e is the JSON response\u003c/div\u003e","id":214806,"user_id":335216,"user_name":"Jeremy Child","room_id":5,"room_name":"The SO Tavern (General)","message_id":93750}],"t":214806,"d":1}}
 
8:56 PM
@sagar: My DNS settings appear to be in order.
 
@JeremyChild I would suggest you to start with the javascript for the chat, and determine what the values in that response mean, and build a database schema (not the database itself, just the concept of the schema) from that
 
I get the .211 IP, anyway.
 
because I assure you it's built on C#, ASP.NET and SQL
 
Hello everyone
 
8:56 PM
hi
 
I want to create SO chat for Microsoft Outlook.
sick of hiding it from my boss.
2
 
Wait, what?
WHAT?!
 
@WillihamTotland ?
 
It works.
For some reason.
 
Hahaha
 
8:57 PM
I have no idea what I did right, or wrong before, for that matter.
 
I think your computer just wants to mess with your brain..
 
Suddenly, I fiddle around with the DNS servers, then flush the DNS cache, and BOOM!
It works.
 
I believe it is their version of revenge
 
yeah, well, at least it works now.
I think.
 
Grr decompiling this chat app is a bitch
 
9:05 PM
@JeremyChild I think you mean deconstructing, not decompiling
or is the javascript minified?
 
ffs...
yes its minified
 
yeah, deminification is fun
"uh, I guess this is an event"
have you ever deminified a script before?
 
nopes
 
the trick is to find a hardcoded string and then you know what that data most likely correlates to, and to continue to reverse it from there.
it's tricky, and if you've never done it before, starting with a SO chat might not be the best option
might be better to write a semi-complicated class and minify it, then compare the new min to the old code, and understand how to reverse it
 
9:22 PM
wow javascript just got like 20 new chatters off a twitter link
so my frontpage is now kinda christmas colored, golds and reds and greens
yay favorited tags
also, since when could you rollover a tag and get a popup to add it to the dislike or favored list?
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u know what i could do...
for the SO Chat app
hook up a WebBrowser control
and automate it...
...worst idea. but simple.
 
lol, you could, yes
lazy is good
 
i agree, simple will get you somewhere faster than banging your head against the minified code
what kind of environment does everybody work in? home, cubicle farm, office etc? How do you minimize distractions?
 
9:37 PM
I am lucky enough to have an office, and I wear headphones and listen to my ipod/iphone
 
I work for a small marketing and media company who's offices are upstairs above a retail store, the beeping from the door and the people in and out of the office are really distracting.
 
@gallen I work in a toilet cubicle. its cool.
 
haha, living the dream Jeremy?
 
@gallen don't you know it
 
do either of you work on a team at all?
 
9:40 PM
@Gallen office and earphones with good music (certain coworkers are always complaining abut something or the other)
 
I'm the only coder here, hired as a junior web developer - working on entire projects by myself
 
sort of a team, I mean, there's six developers, but we pretty well work indepedently on the tasks at hand, all on the same product in the end
 
:(
 
we have 6 here
ranging from DB guys to ASP classic
to ASP.net
to C#
no creative flair
 
I'm working on an eCommerce site using MVC. By myself..just trying to gauge where I'm at.
 
9:43 PM
cubicle farm + headphones = not so bad
 
@Gallen Today, unsuccessfully.
 
@Gallen ... I would say that if you're not using a prebuilt eCommerce site that somebody is doing something wrong
but if it is prebuilt and you're just tweaking it, well ...
 
nono, coded from scratch
 
and they hired you to write it or just to modify bits of it?
 
If you're coding it from scratch, you'd better be trying to sell more than one.
 
9:45 PM
hired me to work on whatever they needed me to
i get paid salary, decent amount for a starting position I suppose, but it doesn't feel like I'm doing the work of a junior
 
@Gallen Greetings from the desolate wasteland to the right of you, by the way.
 
@Gallen then you're probably right
 
haha, the 13th player!!!
 
what's your background? just out of college? still in college?
 
@gallen welcome to my (our?) world
 
9:47 PM
just out of college, NAIT CST
 
@Gallen Strong words. What team just finished the esks off? Could you remind me? :P
 
then give it a year, put yourself into developing as best you can, and move on
have you read "Code Complete" yet? It'll do you a world of good being fresh out of college
 
not yet, no. I've heard that mentioned before though, should probably get around to googling that
 
@drachenstern Really? Maybe colleges need to give that out with a CS diploma.
 
@mootinator yes, really. I think they should. I think they should give it to you on the second day and then teach out of it for the next four years.
But that's just me.
 
9:51 PM
Haha, well I've taught myself Agile and TDD methods since I've been working here, the way NAIT taught was big design up front, they had their own term for it but I haven't drawn a use case model or sequence diagram yet so I suppose it doesn't matter.
 
It would've been better than the damned teachers I had half the time
 
+1 True
Only half the time though. The other half were awesome.
 
hehe
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I have thought about going back and teaching the basic C# course there actually. The guy that taught us was such a rookie.
 
yeah, the other half were awesome, but it was the half that I had the other time that sucked
 
9:52 PM
yeah
 
and of course the book doesn't do theory or anything, it's just how to write good sane code
 
i love sane code
 
This is discouraged: if (work.Count > 0 && play.Count == 0) { Convert.ToDullBoy(Jack); }
 
Besides code complete, can you guys reccomend anything else i should add to my library?
 
I'm the kind of guy that would tell you that until you've read that book it doesn't matter. We had a bit of a discussion on this last night, so they're gonna be tired of hearing me say the same things over and over :p
 
9:58 PM
right on, ill check that out then.
 
he also has lots of references in his book, and a bit of a suggested reading at the end
 
Is it a very big book? Seems pretty cheap for a text.
I just spent $80 CDN on a C# reference book
 
it's pretty thick, hang on
 
@mootinator: Shouldn't that be work.Count >= INT_MAX?
 
@WillihamTotland Probably
 
10:04 PM
850+ useful pages
and it is $73 CDN isn't it? hmmm, well ...
 
amazon has it for $45
 
there you go then, if you can get it for $45CDN
 
ordered
 
@mootinator Morning Moo!
 
"I hated this book, and couldn't bring myself to read past the first couple chapters."
The heck
Okay, apparently you do need to refresh when your internet connection comes back up.
Good to know.
 
10:10 PM
Thanks visual studio... just told me I cant pass a value to a nullable property.. as if its nullable.
 
10:21 PM
I'm so sick of hearing iphones going off and that door beep...wish I could work from home.
@JeremyChild do you use resharper? It changed my life!
 
No im using Telerik Just Code.
....probably awful
 
I wouldn't know, i was told resharper was the best so i sunk the $300 into it
I got visual studio for cheap through my student msdn account so it was worth the purchase
 
Isn't resharper $49 for students
 
I got the commercial license, I'm no longer a student
i bought it 2 months ago
i didn't pay, the boss did
 
Well then.
 
10:27 PM
i got $500 to spend on stuff i needed, got that and a nice mechanical kb
 
here's another +100 for R#
 
he also sent me to an iPhone development course, so i really shouldn't be complaining about working conditions.
I've gotta run, thanks for the book suggestion. See you guys around!
 
WebSpark = Freeness for me
 
30 day trial here I come
 
Usenet here i come.
/jokes
 
10:32 PM
If it doesn't change my life, I expect a refund.
 
will it increase sex drive
?
 
hah, yes
 
Sweet
 
yes it will
 
Win Win
 
10:34 PM
@mootinator just use it for 30 days, and I mean really use it. Then come back and tell me it's shite
 
@drachenstern What if it isn't shite?
 
then you'll be happy
 
I better turn of Telerik Just Code
 
alright, well ill come back in a while - this chat has proven to be a distraction on its own and I need to get some stuff done before 6
cya
 
Will it refactor thousands of lines of poorly written crap out of a Windows Forms form? That would be handy.
Will it cure my aibohphobia?
 
10:39 PM
@mootinator it will the first one, but the second one it's only the first step
 

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